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prplhz
Denmark8045 Posts
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Erandorr
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prplhz
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Meapak_Ziphh
United States6785 Posts
For the record @both sandroba and Erandorr: you've both said I'm scummy now. I think you should post your cases. I really don't mind dying if it helps clear things up. The final mafia is most likely amongst jay/wbg/hiro/me so if I need to die to make things apparent that's fine. | ||
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hiro protagonist
1294 Posts
This brings me to Jay and Sandroba. I would be fine with lynching Jay today, he is improving as a town, but I think there is meart to WBG post about Jay being scum. Now, for Sandroba: I think He would be the only player in this game with the exeption to Palmar that has the balls to bus there partner on day 1. I dont mean strat up ' Im calling you out as scum' bus. I mean Bussing when he realizes its the best option. Looking back at the conversation on day 1 between Him and Palmer, his only mention of Wiggles after asking Palmars opinion of him is this: On November 16 2011 20:18 sandroba wrote: I agree with what you said about wiggles and there is always the statistical benefit of lynching wiggles, even when there is no evidence on him =P But seriously, his posts screams to me "look at me guyz, I'm being helpful and trying to find scum!". He seems to be trying to blend in too hard. I'd rather see some more from him before pushing for his lynch though, hopefully he will comply. prplhz seems town to me this game, so maybe that means he is mafia? (j/k prpl =P) errandor is interesting. His play this game is way different than any game I've played with him before, and one thing that's clear for sure is that he is trying his best to win this one. I'm leaning town, mainly because he is arguing against the hiro lynch which seems reasonable to me at this point. Onto my weak scum suspect, Meapak: what do you think about this guy? Agreeing with Palmar that Wiggles looks scummy, but kinda says he would not want to lynch him until there is more said from wiggles. this could be said in both a townie context as well as a scum trying to give his partner time. Its WIFOM, I know, but Sandroba does not say anything else till: On November 17 2011 09:13 sandroba wrote: Fuck man, there is not much argument against lynching wiggles. No one is really pushing a second candidate (MZ is pushing hiro, but not too strongly, I would expect him to put a lot more effort into it if he was mafia with wiggles). Jaybrundage is looking real scummy to me and voting wiggles too. =/ A townie looking like he has cold feet? of a scum looking for another lynch. remember, he had already defended, me so he could not put his vote on me without looking really scummy. again, I know this is WIFOM, my gut says there may be something to it. Now this is in know way a strong read, but I would like everyone to go back and look at sandroba. Its in know way a strong read, and I cant see from a scum perspective pushing a no lynch when they are not the main scum suspect... Im down to answer any questions for a bit. I most likely will put my vote on Jay, but Im gonna hold of on that to spur some discussion. | ||
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hiro protagonist
1294 Posts
On November 20 2011 07:22 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Wait Erandorr, you have found something super scummy I did but you're not pointing it out? And if you're concerned about a no lynch then isn't voting hiro counter intuitive? iirc jay has more votes. For the record @both sandroba and Erandorr: you've both said I'm scummy now. I think you should post your cases. I really don't mind dying if it helps clear things up. The final mafia is most likely amongst jay/wbg/hiro/me so if I need to die to make things apparent that's fine. I agree with the bolded part. I know I look scummy, so I dont blame anyone for voting me. I will make my reads as best I can before I die, if need be. | ||
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Erandorr
2283 Posts
1) You tried to push Hiro over Wiggles and get the pressure away from him. 2) You made it sound like the alternative to lynching Hiro would be a no lynch 3) You were very non commital about Wiggles but in ultra tunnel mode on Hiro without saying anything about anyone else for a very long time. 4)you set up Hiro for day2 lynch but never follow up and don't exactly comment on it 5)you say bugs is town then you are convinced he is scum and then go back to him being off the hook. 6) You call jay a super easy lynch and then lynch him because you are done with the newbie excuse... wait what? also you get away from a kind of hard lynch target in WBG 7) i hate the fact that you never explain the decisions , such as not going for hiro anymore, but instead just drop it. you only reply to that kind of stuff when you get asked about it specificly There are points in your favor too and this is all very poorly formulated, but I would still appreciate if you could answer this. | ||
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jaybrundage
United States3921 Posts
It seems like im the one to go atm Rofl at Hiro putting a case on Sandroba Kinda ironic | ||
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jaybrundage
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wherebugsgo
Japan10647 Posts
On November 20 2011 06:50 prplhz wrote: He is focusing on finding townies. Maybe this is because he doesn't trust his own scum hunting abilities and instead he tries to find townies that he can trust. I think he has more confidence as scum, since he knows he's wrong and that he can't possibly he right it's easier to be more assertive. You even complained about it yourself that his list of reads didn't contain a single scum read. Yes, it made you look bad that you didn't hammer Mr. Wiggles. You can say that you wanted him lynched as much as you want. You pointed out something that 6 townies would have figured out eventually (I knew it, I would have stated it if you hadn't). These are easy points for scum to get town credit, you point out something that's important but that's going to be figured out in a short while anyway. There is nothing to suggest that hiro is looking for townies any more than he is looking for scum. I don't know how you can come to this conclusion when hiro hasn't even said anything about it himself. Second, when the hell have you seen hiro play scum? How would you know how he would play scum, or what kind of confidence he would have as either alignment? And I don't believe I complained that it contained no scum reads. He called meapak scum, but he didn't call me scum. That's what I pointed out. I pointed out the fact that he voted me despite never calling me scum. He said he thought meapak was red, so my concern was the disconnect between his thoughts and his vote. Lastly, I wouldn't point out something like that as scum about my own scumbuddy before anyone else noticed it. That's dumb, since it wouldn't further my win condition. If I were scum with Wiggles I would have either bussed him when it was apparent he was going to die or I would have destroyed the thread in my attempt to cover it up and distract you guys. I'm not afraid of causing chaos when I'm mafia, because I know I can get away with it if I have to. And, what's your point? I was the first to point out something important about wiggles, but your excuse is that it would've been figured out anyway, so I'm scum? Your logic makes no sense. I thought wiggles was scummy but hiro was scummier. So I voted hiro. You claim to adhere to Occam's Razor but you ignore the simplest explanation when it's staring you in the face. On November 20 2011 06:50 prplhz wrote: No, it is not WIFOM that two scum do not want a lynch to be between themselves on day1. They want both to make it through day1. Palmar said to ignore everything he said during the night including his hard bussing theory, a theory that also surprised me as I wrote in the thread. I don't propose lynching only between those who didn't vote for Mr. Wiggles, but I think that it is very much more likely that we find scum there so that's where I'm looking. We can think about something else later. Yea, it's hard to be objective about whether someone looks coached or not. Same about whether someone looks genuine or fake or fabricate and all that. I can only say that I doubt Mr. Wiggles would go out without giving some advice to his newbie scum buddy. Mr. Wiggles put a lot of effort into the thread when he was about to get lynched, do you really think he just totally ignored jaybrundage in the QT? That would make no sense. If what you think Wiggles did was effort, then I really have to question what you are talking about. Wiggles rolled over and died, he did next to nothing to save himself. If you think he put a lot of effort into his case on Meapak then I don't really know if you're reading the same game I am. Also, when and where did Palmar say to ignore what he said during the night? He died that night, he certainly couldn't have said it in retrospect unless I missed something. On November 20 2011 06:50 prplhz wrote: Look through my games. I doubt I've ever pushed any lynch harder than this. What? Your defense is that you don't push lynches hard, so...then what? lol. You should have no fear of pushing a case if you're town, your apprehension is what is setting me off. I don't understand why you would be apprehensive when I know as town you push ideas very strongly. Your ideas might not always make sense but you don't wait around for people to agree with you before pushing them, normally. On November 20 2011 06:50 prplhz wrote: Yes, three of course. Yes, it's a weird post. I just wanted to show that I'd thought about it, in the end I arrived at the same conclusion as a lot of other people: it's not worth it. I'm not a statistics buff so I can't give you numbers but it just seems to risky and town is in a good position right now so I don't think it's worth it. sandroba has a lot of town credit, he hammered Mr. Wiggles. I don't think you could pick a worse day2 target than sandroba, especially for a new guy since he's gonna get destroyed no matter what. It's a bit hard to judge since jaybrundage is new but I just think he strikes me as a new guy with a very misguided attack on sandroba. A lot of new players think they've figured it out and that they're batman, that's what he uses to explain his late Mr. Wiggles vote too, a crazy plan that makes no sense. I think newbies like these and it fits on him, while I think that it's hard to overplay the newbie card as a newbie. I disagree with you, sandroba wouldn't be a terrible choice for a scum to attack. He's not the best and I agree with you on that; so then why would we consider optimal cases? Since jay is new he's not going to play optimally regardless of his alignment. It doesn't make much sense to push sandro from either alignment but it makes more sense from a scum perspective. Yes, sandro hammered wiggles, but look at how jay keeps talking about Palmar's idea that it's hindering our thought process to eliminate the possibility scum would bus. | ||
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jaybrundage
United States3921 Posts
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wherebugsgo
Japan10647 Posts
We have two shots before we need to make a call that will make or break the game. That's a great position to be in, particularly as today and tomorrow will be our information days. We lynch Jay, and if he flips town we brush that off and reevaluate again. We'll probably need to look hard at who might have considered bussing scum, since if Jay is not scum, and since I think Meapak is pretty town, scum would probably be in the prpl/Erandorr/hiro/sandro side. | ||
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wherebugsgo
Japan10647 Posts
On November 20 2011 08:10 jaybrundage wrote: WBG whats your thoughts on lynching hiro? I don't think he's the best lynch for today. Erandorr made some very good points about him, but honestly being the fourth vote on Wiggles, and how he has played since then has given me doubt. When I reread the thread after wiggles and palmar flipped I wasn't confident in my day 1 read anymore. If you are indeed town though, we'll probably need to reconsider hiro again. | ||
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jaybrundage
United States3921 Posts
On November 20 2011 08:11 wherebugsgo wrote: We lynch Jay, and if he flips town we brush that off and reevaluate again Eh so nothing can be learned from my death? And you also agreeing with me about scum bussing all of a sudden. | ||
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hiro protagonist
1294 Posts
On November 20 2011 08:03 Erandorr wrote: Yo Hiro, could you read my thoughts about you and answer them, please ? yeah, your reads are right. my post saying "would anyone like to lynch someone other than me/wiggles" looks bad, but I was tying to spur some discussion, albeit badly. Wiggles makes a few post subtly referencing me. As well as not bringing me up when I was the major lynch target. I know Im town, so I think He was looking buddy up to me in case he dies, to make me look bad. | ||
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chaoser
United States5541 Posts
On November 20 2011 07:19 Erandorr wrote: Can we get a votecount (yeah I am lazy) on ER shift, updating kind of hard. Right now jay to be lynched 3 hours left in day | ||
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wherebugsgo
Japan10647 Posts
On November 20 2011 08:14 jaybrundage wrote: Eh so nothing can be learned from my death? And you also agreeing with me about scum bussing all of a sudden. Sure something can be learned from your death. If you're scum, we win. If you're town, like I said, we reevaluate again and move on. If you're town and you die, like I said, that probably means we need to heavily reconsider that scum bussed on day 1, because to me it is unlikely that Meapak is scum. I will reread again since Erandorr has posted something (I just kinda skimmed it, sorry) about Meapak and I want to see for myself again if there's anything that I missed. | ||
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chaoser
United States5541 Posts
jaybrundage Erandorr jaybrundage (4) wherebugsgo sandroba Meapak_Ziphh prplhz With 7 people, 4 votes are needed for majority 24 hours remaining in the day there | ||
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jaybrundage
United States3921 Posts
On November 20 2011 08:14 hiro protagonist wrote: yeah, your reads are right. my post saying "would anyone like to lynch someone other than me/wiggles" looks bad, but I was tying to spur some discussion, albeit badly. Wiggles makes a few post subtly referencing me. As well as not bringing me up when I was the major lynch target. I know Im town, so I think He was looking buddy up to me in case he dies, to make me look bad. Thats a really weak case. It doesnt even make much sense. He didnt mention you as a possible lynch because he wanted to buddy up with you because if he dies it makes you look kinda bad. How about this he didnt mention you because your his mafia partner and after a bandwagon formed you had to join it or you would look even worse. If Hiro had not voted for Mr.Wiggles he would have been so obvious as mafia. | ||
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