Newbie Mini Mafia

The only people that benefit from a delayed discussion is obviously the mafia, they'd rather it never happen. Also, while his statement is true, I think it was fairly obvious to most people, and scum always like to have an excuse to fall back on.

I can take my vote back at any time. The vote was just there to promote talking which it did just that.

What was alot more interesting was Toad's post and how it was received. I personally think blues should post and help the town or they stand out to mafia and playing safe and become much better targets. Also mafia rarely mention blues for the simple fact that it makes them look more like mafia hunting for blues with any mention of blues. The same goes for blues themselves, they want to hide with town and do their job. I think Toad was just trying to prevent what happened last game to happen this game. However his post doesn't say anything more then "post guys" which doesn't further along any conversation it just increase his post count which in my opinion is all mafia try to do for the first day.
On October 30 2011 22:54 hacklebeast wrote:
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Unnecessarily trying to start a town panic? Baseless accusing people that, under your own admission, have no evidence against? Sounds like very mafia things to do. I'm not going to go so far as to cast my vote yet, but I'm watching you.

Besides, I could never have committed the crime. Gmarshal I could take or leave, but killing ponies? I don't have it in me to take out something this lovable.



I wasn't starting a town panic, though it seems to have caused you to panic a little. Your response to my vote seems to be an emotional plea involving ponies and a FOS but little more then that. It seems as if you are trying to not draw any sort of attention to yourself even after a vote has already been placed on you. Normally I would take this as a scum tell but it seems more like a newbie tell then a mafia at this point.

Then there is Ciryandor, he defended me and my baseless attack on someone. The only time I usually am defended is when scum are trying to buddy up with me. Or since he has played a few games he is just trying to let newbies know what I was doing. Still FOS for now.

I personally have a good vote that I want to expound on right now, but I want to see more posting from that person before I cast it, as it may yield more information on him.

Definitely FOS on Zanfada now. Needlessly aggressive, fos on ciryandor for defending him, even though what you did at first was a smart and good thing to do as it opened discussion. And yeah, having almost no evidence for any of his fos but saying a lot of empty words is kinda :/
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=278558&currentpage=11#210

Toad i did not fos ciry. Filter my posts and look at them if you dont believe me. I only fosd zanfa, and noted suspicion with you that i have since withdrawn.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=278558&currentpage=12#234

That said, the 3 people up for the chopping block are Skram, Toad, and myself. Out of those three Skram looks like the best target.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=278558&currentpage=14#268

The most important part right here: You think Skrammen is the easy wagon? I thought the easy wagon is either zanfa or me for mafia since there used to be always a couple of votes on both of us. Something like 1 or 2. Skrammen only started once ciry voted for him.
Again, I would love to get you lynched first but he's looking scummy too and I for sure don't want a no-lynch as that's just the same as lynching a townie while leaving everything in the dark because we got no information out of votings or posts.

1. risk.nuke Toadesstern
2. HarbingerOfDoom Skrammen
3. Toadesstern Skrammen
4. Zanfada Skrammen
5. xsksc Skrammen
6. Ciryandor Skrammen
7. hacklebeast toadesstern
8. Skrammen Chocolate
9. hyshes Zanfada
10. Drem903 Zanfada
11. IMABUNNEH Toadesstern
12. Chocolate Skrammen

the people i've accused genuinely accused: Zanfada (not great reasoning, but it was only my first day, and he just seemed suspicious), SKrammen, YOU, hackle, and Toad.

Of those 5 Toad and SK are the one's i've been constant about, and toad is the only one to make any real accusations against me. Zanfada i hold no real suspicion of anymore.

1) His posts are long when a simple reply could answer the question (disregarding his analysis post on risk). As scum he's using longer posts to try and cover all possible points that could indicate him to be Mafia.

2) The only person who would benefit from Risk's death is Toad. Now, my earlier statement on that was it could be a Mafia ploy to distract us, but that would also be immediately obvious so it could be a double trick (kill risk to get suspicion on toad, but we realize that and stop focusing on toad, and then toad is mafia so it was just a convoluted trap that could work). At this point it just gets into an infinite chain of back and forth.

Ok I'm back and lol we got a hero medic

[QUOTE]On November 01 2011 03:28 Drem903 wrote:
I'll be the first to admit that i am not particularly talkative, although that's mostly because i don't have regular computer access at school.. I have been reading the thread through, and although i still hold zanfada in suspicion, i will also have to agree that SKrammen has not really contributed that much either.

His only notable post just recounts information that everyone should know (though some may not have read the thread too carefully and could've forgotten). Although i feel the need to point out, that SKrammen did call out Zanfada for being hasty to vote (even if he could later rescind the vote). If they were both scum, then it wouldn't make sense for them to call suspicion upon one another.

Zanfada also hasn't posted in a while, and the only notable parts of his posts were: asking the blues to post more frequently (though not to identify themselves), and to defend himself from hacklebeasts own accusations.

So, the people i'm currently very suspicious of are: SKrammen and Zanfada. When i get more time to really look at everyone's posts this might change, but it's just those 2 for now.

##vote Zanfada

After that post, he basically leaves the suspicion on Zanfada, which by now looks good enough for other people to lynch.

@Harbinger. I voted for Zanfada because he, at the time, was the person i was most suspicious of. In retrospect i should have looked at SKrammen's posts more, but at the time he [SKrammen] wasn't the most suspicious to me. Now, although SKrammen is still suspicious (he completely ignored toad's analysis a page back, and only responded to defend himself from Zanfa), i am starting to put a lot more thought in the the claim that Toadesstern is a major suspect. (Zanfa i am now unsure of, and hope to see more posts from him before i say anything more on him).

Mostly because he seems adamant about convincing us that he is town, and constantly restates that point over and over again. Which seems like something mafia would do if they were desperate to avoid a lynch.

I guess i don't honestly have a good reason as to why i did not vote for SKrammen in the end. The thing was i was only suspicious of those 2, and the one i was suspicious of to the point of voting was Zanfada. Although i was reary of SKrammen, i did not see him as suspicious to the point of lynching.

Although it is noteworthy to say that Toad does have a point about Risk not really posting that much. He's actively defending SK, although he immediately tries to spurn attention back on SK when he is called into question, and a few of his posts are just updates on him lurking. He has also tried to get people to look at Toad.

So if Toad is mafia, then risk probably isn't. If risk is mafia, then toad isn't, and SKrammen is also mafia because risk wouldn't defend him if he wasn't.

@SKrammen

If i had changed my vote to you, and you flipped green, everyone who voted for you would have been under heavy suspicion of being scum. So that's 7 people, of which i was 1, so what reasoning would i have to block you're vote if i was mafia? I wouldn't be that much more suspicious than any of the other 6.

For every towny that dies the mafia becomes stronger. If was mafia and had changed my vote to you, and i had said you were suspicious so it's not unlikely for a person to decide to agree with the majority if they had similar convictions, then why would i not vote for you to get you out of the way? The fact is, i didn't have enough conviction to accuse you as i didn't feel that you were necessarily scum. I wasn't convinced enough to take that risk. Bad townie play? possibly. Even worse mafia play? i would believe so.

His only notable post just recounts information that everyone should know (though some may not have read the thread too carefully and could've forgotten). Although i feel the need to point out, that SKrammen did call out Zanfada for being hasty to vote (even if he could later rescind the vote). If they were both scum, then it wouldn't make sense for them to call suspicion upon one another.

1. Bandwagoning is the most effective strategy of the mafia. If you can get a train started on someone thats not mafia its worth it to organize the whole mafia to support it. His vote I feel really started the train.