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Zanfada
United States53 Posts
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Sermokala
United States13828 Posts
yeah I guess I should have done this earlier. | ||
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xsksc
United Kingdom1044 Posts
Toad was green so.. ##vote Skrammen ps sorry for my inactivity yesterday, MW3 just came out so I've been playing it at a mates house all day  we can win this guys, we still got our medic, we just need a little luck. | ||
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Drem903
United States100 Posts
The only person other person left that i'm suspicious of is Sk so: [b]##vote Skrammen/b] | ||
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Drem903
United States100 Posts
On November 09 2011 12:11 Drem903 wrote: Well, turns out Chocolate was town so.... i'm kind of at a loss. The only person other person left that i'm suspicious of is Sk so: ##vote Skrammen | ||
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Zanfada
United States53 Posts
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HarbingerOfDoom
United States508 Posts
Scum are very likely to be willing to bus one at this point as well...they only need us to mislynch one out of 3 for a win... | ||
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Ciryandor
United States3735 Posts
On November 09 2011 16:05 HarbingerOfDoom wrote: @Zanfada Scum are very likely to be willing to bus one at this point as well...they only need us to mislynch one out of 3 for a win... Mislynch and have a hit that is not med-saved. If we have a med-save tonight after a mislynch this day, then we still have a one-person vote advantage over them. Also, I'm thinking of whether this move IF it were bussing one of their own is designed to ensure they get more chances to take out the medic... it's very unlikely, but plausible that they'd want to make sure their KPs don't get interrupted...I'm wondering whether Zanfada has a point with Drem because of this. | ||
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Zanfada
United States53 Posts
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HarbingerOfDoom
United States508 Posts
Looking back through day 1 and 2 (pre hyshes blow-up), we have Skrammen attacking Drem and voting for him, Zanfada calling out Skrammen as well as voting for him, xsksc voting for him, and Bunneh starting the day 2 voting on him. Obviously myself and Ciryandor also called him out day 1 and both voted for him then. Now, given all that, try building a sensible scum team of 3 players with him on it. Can you do it? I can't. My current recommendation is to not lynch Skrammen. I haven't decided on if there is somebody I think should be lynched today yet. | ||
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HarbingerOfDoom
United States508 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + And Bunneh, posts mentioning him in some way other than listing him in a vote count or asking why I voted him: + Show Spoiler + So assuming I rule out Harbinger for the time being, we have to go back on what we had prior to the hyshes thing. In my mind it continues to be as follows: 1) Skrammen or Toad. Only 1, but almost certainly one. Otherwise I'll be a monkey's uncle and entirely thrown through a loop. 2) Drem. More to come on that, but he's been semi-active, and some dodgy posts. 3) No idea. Perhaps Chocolate? I'd have thought possibly hackle, but my real guess is that he was a townie who just lost interest from the start. I don't have a real lead on a 3rd at the moment though. I'd like to hear more from xkxdkskd though. [purple]Unknown[/purple] Zanfa xksxksd These are 2 I simply can't place. I don't think either has posted enough to get a particularly good read from, and through my guessing above, one of the 2 has to be scum. In my opinion Zanfa has come off as more scummy to me. He's quietly slipping onto the bandwagons, and reading his posts it almost seems like he's trying to avoid creating any kind of waves that might cause people to focus on him. xkskckxk has been more committed when he has tried to apply pressure, and seems to me just like a bit of a newbie who didn't want to go out on a limb early on, as his posts have increased recently, whereas Zanfa's seem to just stagnate. Food for thought. | ||
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Zanfada
United States53 Posts
I don't think it is a bus, risk's argument from day 1 still holds here. If Sk is mafia he would be defending himself hoping to draw attention and make the other mafia look like they are by voting for him it is a town thing to do. Or someone would be diverting our attention or a false medic claim. Also it just doesn't make sense to for mafia to bus someone when they can just lynch a town and go for a night hit. They will win if we lynch a town today. Where as if they bus someone we get loads of info on their voting history, if they defended someone by chainsaw ect. ect. | ||
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Ciryandor
United States3735 Posts
For Drem: Zanfada (11/9 08:02) For Skrammen: Bunneh (11/8 21:55) Ciry (11/9 09:42) hackle/Sermo (11/9 11:18) xsksc (11/9 11:31) Drem (11/9 12:11) Not yet voted: HoD Skramm And looks like the fact that I thought that Skrammen was bad has shown he's likely to be an incompetent townie... and that's a good thing for us. Bunneh voted very early, and he has shown effort in getting his reasoning out today, but it's suspicious because of this line I'm going to go with the obvious here. SKrammen absolutely has to be scum. I don't know if anyone doesn't have him on their scum list anymore either. So an early vote to make my intentions known:. If it had been stated as "Town needs to get their voting intentions known", I would have absolutely no problem with it. If he just wanted to say that he wanted his vote clear, then it seems very unfortunately worded. However another thing to note here is that the votes after I cast mine (note the italics) came way too close together for comfort; Zanfada's suspect: Drem was the last of the lot there. HoD's new suspect, xsksc, is the 4th guy on it, following right after sermokala's third vote. ## Unvote Skrammen But wait a minute... I've been thinking on a post Zanfada made as Zanfada has been town-leaning in his posts and responses... + Show Spoiler [Stream-of-consciousness at work] + On November 09 2011 15:49 Zanfada wrote: well this sucks, I am town and 5 people are voting for Skram, which means scum are voting for him, which means he is town. Let's assume that Zanfada isn't town, and Skrammen also isn't town, but Drem is town (but this could apply to nealy anyone else of his choice). Zanfada can say this and redirect the lynch to Drem (his target) and then just shoot somebody and pray they don't get medic-blocked. If Zanfada isn't town but Skrammen is town, he'd have shut up about it and let this lynch happen. If Zanfada is town and Skrammen isn't then the other scum COULD have voted for him to make sure the lynch goes away from him; then try to convince us that someone else IS the scum. I DO NOT LIKE THIS... HoD and Zanfada please comment on the LAST point. I hate being put in this bind; and you're the two guys I can trust as townies to do this. | ||
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Ciryandor
United States3735 Posts
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IMABUNNEH
United Kingdom1062 Posts
On November 09 2011 18:10 HarbingerOfDoom wrote: Also possibly of interest, here is every post of xsksc's where he mentions Bunneh: + Show Spoiler + And Bunneh, posts mentioning him in some way other than listing him in a vote count or asking why I voted him: + Show Spoiler + So assuming I rule out Harbinger for the time being, we have to go back on what we had prior to the hyshes thing. In my mind it continues to be as follows: 1) Skrammen or Toad. Only 1, but almost certainly one. Otherwise I'll be a monkey's uncle and entirely thrown through a loop. 2) Drem. More to come on that, but he's been semi-active, and some dodgy posts. 3) No idea. Perhaps Chocolate? I'd have thought possibly hackle, but my real guess is that he was a townie who just lost interest from the start. I don't have a real lead on a 3rd at the moment though. I'd like to hear more from xkxdkskd though. [purple]Unknown[/purple] Zanfa xksxksd These are 2 I simply can't place. I don't think either has posted enough to get a particularly good read from, and through my guessing above, one of the 2 has to be scum. In my opinion Zanfa has come off as more scummy to me. He's quietly slipping onto the bandwagons, and reading his posts it almost seems like he's trying to avoid creating any kind of waves that might cause people to focus on him. xkskckxk has been more committed when he has tried to apply pressure, and seems to me just like a bit of a newbie who didn't want to go out on a limb early on, as his posts have increased recently, whereas Zanfa's seem to just stagnate. Food for thought. Hmm... maybe that's part of the reason he hasn't really been on my radar. I'm pretty sure you'd get similar results with me/Chocolate, me/hyshes, me/hacklesermo, and me/risk.nuke (pre-death). To be fair, and it was brought up before, it's not like anyone has really put pressure on me either. If it was literally only one or 2 people, then I'd agree with you, but barely anyone has put any suspicion on me, and those that have have barely done more than question something I've said. Perhaps you'd like to pick up their slack if my lack of being suspicious is suspicious to you  For Skrammen: Bunneh (11/8 21:55) Ciry (11/9 09:42) hackle/Sermo (11/9 11:18) xsksc (11/9 11:31) Drem (11/9 12:11) If we go on the assumption Harbinger is town, then there's a minimum of one mafia voting here (SKram and Zanfa have not voted and voted someone else respectively). That means either SKrammen has been thrown away, or SKrammen is innocent. If he is then we definately should be looking at the people on him. Especially the last 3 votes, Drem has already been up for the lynch before. Is it tonight or tomorrow we have to vote by? I think this needs looking at carefully with the quick bandwagon. | ||
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Skrammen
Norway195 Posts
I am also curious as to why I would want to kill Toad if I were scum. You lot seem pretty damn set on that either of us HAS to be scum, and killing him would not be beneficial to me if I was a mafia. Last minute bandwagons with HoD doesnt seem to be the way to go; so I'm going with my gut here. @Sermokala + Show Spoiler + 1. Bandwagoning is the most effective strategy of the mafia. If you can get a train started on someone thats not mafia its worth it to organize the whole mafia to support it. His vote I feel really started the train. Yet you readily jump on the wagon without much to justify it, and you have posted nothing where you suspect me. You tried to push for Toad, but that didnt go as planned so you nightkilled him instead, which is as I suspect, exactly what you wanted. I also see you are defending both Drem and xsksc. ##vote Drem903 | ||
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HarbingerOfDoom
United States508 Posts
I don't know how new of a suspect you want to consider xsksc. I wanted him dead yesterday (game time, not real days) too. Also, as for Zanfada's statements which you are considered about, I am basically considering everything going on now as WIFOM and relying on information from our last lynch and earlier to make most decisions. To be fair, and it was brought up before, it's not like anyone has really put pressure on me either. Yeah, it was brought up by me. I am not 100% sold on it yet, but the most logically consistent scum team for me is: Bunneh, xsksc, Sermokala. So, the three of you, the only defense I will accept is an alternate scum team of 3, with an explanation of why it is plausible. Ciry, do you have any alternative scum team possibilities? The only other way I can make one is if they were willing to bus Drem or Skrammen. Also, if we want to no lynch today, I recommend voting in pairs. That is, you vote for someone, and they vote for you. Two town votes on someone would mean the three scum could last minute switch and cause a mislynch and then win with their night shot. That being said, I am also willing to take a chance at lynching the shit out of someone rather than prolonging things. :-D | ||
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Zanfada
United States53 Posts
Also Skram being town makes the risk hit on night 1 make a ton more sense. Day 1 we had 2 townies fighting each other. Risk comes in at the very end and calms things down and prevents us from killing either. He points out a good argument on why Skram is probably town. Then he is killed. The risk hit made skram and toad look scummy. Then our focus is that either Toad or Skram must be mafia and we focus them further. All the posts from night 1 are saying that either skram or toad must be mafia. Looking back on it I think neither of them are scum. If one of them were mafia their scum buddies would try to focus on someone else. | ||
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HarbingerOfDoom
United States508 Posts
Also, as for Zanfada's statements which you are concerned about, I am basically considering everything going on now as WIFOM and relying on information from our last lynch and earlier to make most decisions. Wrote considered instead of concerned, because my mind was already further ahead in the sentence. Whee. | ||
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HarbingerOfDoom
United States508 Posts
Do you have a proposed scum team? | ||
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