EPTOne problem that we ran into was that the role selection told a great deal about your alignment. Obviously a bullet bill, detective, dreamflower, admiral ackbar, and Ace were all going to be viewed as town roles, where as the role swapper, bulletproof. godfather, medic were all likely mafia roles. I'm just not sure the "town cred" you get for selecting a protown role would ever outweigh the benefits of a having scum role in this setup.
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kitaman27
United States9244 Posts
One problem that we ran into was that the role selection told a great deal about your alignment. Obviously a bullet bill, detective, dreamflower, admiral ackbar, and Ace were all going to be viewed as town roles, where as the role swapper, bulletproof. godfather, medic were all likely mafia roles. I'm just not sure the "town cred" you get for selecting a protown role would ever outweigh the benefits of a having scum role in this setup. | ||
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chaoser
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GreYMisT
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wherebugsgo
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On October 23 2011 13:44 chaoser wrote: How was I complacent? I was under intense pressure for not being active enough, due to something that came out of left field for me, and still managed to get off from the day one lynch. Jimbo's faking Cyber was what put the final nail in my coffin. Even when you and Foolishness were trying to get me to join your fake little family I knew shit was up cause of your horrible excuses. "We can't change the kill order, I don't know Foolishness, he's not part of my family, etc. etc." I ended up "outting" you to radfield and tried to play it off as me trying to dictate your kills so I could protect it as medic. At that point though the Jimbo thing already happened so tough luck there I guess. Where in that was I complacent? you really did nothing to appear town lol. Foolish, myself, and Jimbo had just started getting into the scum business that day, plus I was trying to keep myself alive. That's probably why I seemed scummy (it was almost intentional) You were complacent for a while, then when the pressure built up you freaked out and leaked scumtells everywhere. Your defense was really bad. The guilt trips were giving us uncertainty but we figured you were the best DF shot anyway. Once Jimbo faked as you and confirmed cheese was your buddy I shot cheese and you both were dead before you could do anything. IMO any time someone uses RL excuses as to why they are scummy, I get very suspicious. They might be true, but honestly that's not what this game is about. | ||
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GreYMisT
United States6736 Posts
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wherebugsgo
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On October 23 2011 13:46 chaoser wrote: Don't try to sugar coat over the fact that people DID breadcrumb PMs when mafia weren't given the townie PMs unless you asked and that bullshit things like "I'm 100% town card only in this game though!" were played among players that had played very closely with each other, making it almost impossible to say no to it. Take that up with syllo. AFAIK he's the only one who did it, and if you don't remember, I was certainly really pissed about it. Syllo called me unhelpful day 0 because I called out the shit logic sandroba was using to vote Mig. It was really annoying for me that day because I disagreed with the method syllo used to confirm himself as town to sandroba. AFAIK that's the only possibly questionable thing that happened. I don't know where you're getting this breadcrumbing of PMs business from. | ||
Mig
United States4714 Posts
The reason I trusted Syllo so much early on was that he came to me with a plan where I would take DT and he would take NKVD and we would then both run for mayor in the hopes of getting elected. I couldn't imagine syllo as scum trying to get me to take dt and become mayor so I thought right away he was most likely town, this is also a big part of why I trusted sandroba early. After picks went out syllo claimed vanilla to me which just reaffirmed he had actually tried to take NKVD and was very likely town. That combined with just talking to him for many hours over skype. The radfield trust mainly came from just talking to him a ton then finding out he took bullet bill an extremely pro town role. And the fact he quickly managed to play a large part in killing scum from all 3 families lol. But at the beginning neither of us trusted each other and rad even thought I was initially scum. This setup and it being a PM game made it very hard for mafia because like kita said a lot of roles told so much about alignment, bullet bill, dt, df. But along with that to win in a setup like this mafia absolutely must be active and infiltrate some town circles to try and influence them. Sandroba was literally the only mafia to even try to gain our trust and because of it he had way way more information than he should have. But most of the mafia sat back and did very little in pm land. | ||
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sandroba
Canada4998 Posts
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chaoser
United States5541 Posts
You were complacent for a while, then when the pressure built up you freaked out and leaked scumtells everywhere. Your defense was really bad. Your case against me was literally "Chaoser is not active enough, chaoser isn't being very strong in pushing his stances, he made a bad case against Dropbear, he contradicted himself with the supporting radfield/not supporting radfield" which is 100% NOT my scum play at all and 100% my I'm busy play. If you're going to lynch me off that then I might as well never play mafia during the school year as I WILL be busy at times. How the fuck do I defend against that besides pointing out the shitty logic there? I even ended up hunting out three scum that everyone in the town circle at the time didn't even suspect. Prp, Sandroba, dec EDIT: sorry, being hungry makes me emotional | ||
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kitaman27
United States9244 Posts
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Mig
United States4714 Posts
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wherebugsgo
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On October 23 2011 13:55 chaoser wrote: Your case against me was literally "Chaoser is not active enough, chaoser isn't being very strong in pushing his stances, he made a bad case against Dropbear, he contradicted himself with the supporting radfield/not supporting radfield" which is 100% NOT my scum play at all and 100% my I'm busy play. If you're going to lynch me off that then I might as well never play mafia during the school year as I WILL be busy at times. How the fuck do I defend against that besides pointing out the shitty logic there? I even ended up hunting out three scum that everyone in the town circle at the time didn't even suspect. Prp, Sandroba, dec The fact that you pushed dropbear as the lynch target threw off so many alarm bells to me. The number 1 scum day 0 was decon. Radfield and I discussed why his meta made him scum (he blindly accepted the plans, whereas in a previous PYP game as town he boldly just said fuck the plan I'm doing what I want) and also how his first 2 posts in the game established him as scum pretty much. I actually wanted the mayoral candidate to lynch him day 0. Then, you came along and made a "case" on dropbear which screamed scum to me (and Mig, IIRC; we talked about it). This began with Dropbear's scum proposal. I hinted, "Did DB just straight up scumclaim?" to see if I could get any scum to take the bait and open fire, figuratively speaking, on DB. I had a strong town read on DB, though his role pick was dumb. So, I PMed him for confirmation, establishing him as town and making a plan with him to kill scum. When you came in and made the case on him, since I already thought you were scummy, you elevated yourself even further. Then, when I pressured you, you started going nuts. The constant barrage of emotional appeals was almost too much to handle lol (me and Mig felt really bad) My logic wasn't shitty; it was completely based on your meta (you don't push bad townies for lynch when you are a townie) the fact that you were touting your scumhunting skills when you were letting players like prpl and decon just slide by, the fact that you were a terrible mayoral candidate, the fact that you contradicted yourself on Radfield, and the fact that you acted incredibly weird when I pointed out your contradiction on Radfield. Those were the main things. prpl acted really weird day 0 to my pressure as well. If it wasn't for Jimbo finding out about cheese and Mig telling me prpl tried for DF, prpl was going to be my hit night 1. Instead when Jimbo infiltrated you guys I shot cheese instead. EDIT: I'm dumb | ||
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
@kita: It doesn't matter if one of your Scum buddies gets elected and revealed. There's no difference between being DT checked as an elected role vs being checked in any other game. Argue your way out of it. Thats the point. | ||
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chaoser
United States5541 Posts
My team was cyber wiggles and kenpachi prplhz, the Tudor Vanilla is dead. | ||
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wherebugsgo
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Mig
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chaoser
United States5541 Posts
it was completely based on your meta (you don't push bad townies for lynch when you are a townie) I've pushed PLENTY of bad townies for lynch day one. Go look at PYP Insane. Go look at any of my older games. If you really think my scum play is actually that bad as it was in this game without some outside forces preventing me from playing my best then I guess I'll just have to take the insult and live with it. | ||
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wherebugsgo
Japan10647 Posts
This game revolves around what other people think of you. Regardless, you might think my logic was bad but you haven't actually pointed out why it was. I thought you were scum based on a couple of behavioral contradictions, your tendency to appeal to emotions, and the dissonance with respect to your meta. All that matters is that most other people thought you were scum. Really nothing to say here except IMO mafia played badly. | ||
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
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chaoser
United States5541 Posts
On October 23 2011 14:14 Ace wrote: appeal to emotion isn't a scum tell though. Thank you Ace -_- My my play subpar this game? Yes Was your logic for trying to get me lynched correct? No Did I end up avoiding the lynch? Yes I would have probably drawn a DT check instead of a KP had the Jimbo thing not happened. Better to be safe than to potentially waste a KP at someone that might be mafia and bulletproof/hider/etc. right? Pretty sure I could have argued my way out of a lynch day two if there was a DT check. | ||
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