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On September 24 2011 09:41 GMarshal wrote: done. If I don't have time for a daypost, do you really think I have time to play? here is an idea : dont start hosting 40 more games and just join this one . (new concept for you, I know  ) | ||
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On September 28 2011 05:19 Nisani201 wrote: The chat logs are not working right now, I'll fix it when I get home, sorry. Scum ?  | ||
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On September 28 2011 11:39 wherebugsgo wrote: jcarl you got no style man hurry up and vote some nigga /unvote ##vote wbg Lets stop this shit shall we? | ||
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On September 28 2011 22:56 tnkted wrote: I disagree, I think we SHOULD know who is muted. There are going to be enough muted players anyway that if the mafia shoots into them, they'll have a small chance of hitting someone town, and if they do, its guarrenteed to be a person who isn't being an active townie behind the scenes, pming away, with a smaller chance of someone who is useful to town. Will mafia take that gamble? No, they're going to kill the town organizer, because an organized town is much more scary than a single vig. So I'm going to PM everybody and see who responds. I'll post the results tmrw when I get back to the internet If you don't want people to know if you're mute or not, don't respond, but I encourage you to do so. More info for town = better town play. huh? Dont they have 100 percent chance of shooting town , since, you know, they know who each other is? | ||
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On September 29 2011 06:12 Palmar wrote: I agree with Mig btw. But I don't think WBG is scum either, just have a quick look at the way he's posting. I don't think he's actually played scum, but this looks much more like his overconfident in your face town play. Both being wrong and being aggressive fit his meta perfectly. that being said: ##Vote Jackal58 Read MLP mafia and say that again... | ||
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On September 29 2011 10:25 wherebugsgo wrote: Take a little bit of time to consider what Jackal has said. 1. He's misconstrued my meta 2. As Palmar has said, he's conformed to his own meta of how he plays scum 3. He's claimed to have "forgotten" participation in a game that happened less than a month ago, in which he was alive till night 2 as a townie 4. He's claimed to have "contributed" when in reality he hasn't even voted yet. You tell me which of these things is pro-town. First you say that you will ignore Jackal for now and push tnkted , and after being accused you roll in with this conviction jackal is scum? You scum again? 1) this is kind of similar to the way you played MLP, from the point when I was replaced in and wasnt that the first time you where scum? 2) The only real argument, that is not even coming from you 3) lying about that would be unbelievably stupid and I cannot believe he would do that. 4)what is that even supposed to mean? Why so defensive my friend? | ||
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On September 29 2011 11:58 Sevryn wrote: It's dayone I would rather get rid of people who I won't be able to read if i cant get a read on anyone else. The case on jackal and WBG are both pretty weak but your not trying to tie them to the flip of another player. I can't tell if jackal or WBG are scum atm but the more they argue the more I have to make a decision so instead of going after a lurker who doesnt post ive decided to go after a lurker who lurks by making useless/troll posts comprehend? no could you explain that again please? | ||
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On September 29 2011 12:01 wherebugsgo wrote: There's nothing really left to say on Jackal (I am gonna be ignoring him for real now since he isn't doing anything productive but you all can ask me questions if you so desire) Moving on to some people I think deserve attention, probably since they don't want it: Curu http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=266305&user=62066 Curu has disappeared since earlier and his vote is useless. He hasn't contributed anything yet to the discussion yet, despite being around for LoTR and there being plenty to talk about. This doesn't sit well with me knowing how he played scum in both XLIV and MLP, and as town in Ace's SMG. In SMG he was pretty open about thinking I was scum and he was very bold and productive as town. In both XLIV and MLP he was semi active with a lot of one liners and fluff posts, not really contributing but feigning so. I'll give him some time to come back and clarify things (perhaps he's busy? who knows) but I think it's odd he's gone here but he's around to post the day post in LoTR. Sevryn: The problem with Sevryn is that IMO he appears scummy despite alignment. However, this post is completely in line with how he posted in MLP as scum before he went inactive and was replaced. We need to keep an eye on him as well. I dunno where Incog is but I imagine as a vet he needs to get in and stop lurking. risk.nuke and supersoft haven't done anything either, granted supersoft rarely does anything and I have no idea who risk.nuke is. None of these players warrant a vote yet but IMO all of them need to be prodded into providing their opinions and becoming active. If this town dies because of inactivity I'll be pissed. rofl | ||
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On September 29 2011 12:11 wherebugsgo wrote: sup Erandor, mind doing something productive? Allright : Bugs first says "Jackal isnt worth my attention " then Jackal votes bug Bugs then says " OMG FUCK YOU SCUM" Bugs then tunnels and is ultra defensive Bugs gets called out on that Bugs then says "naaah that dude isnt worth my attention imma concentrate on a newbie and a lurker" = either bad town play or bad scum play = rofl I am going to bed , good night everyone | ||
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On September 30 2011 02:49 DropBear wrote: I don't like the bugs lynch. He is being spammy and annoying and doing bad OMGUS votes. I've seen him play in 2 games before this, both as town and he was spammy and annoying in those and did bad OMGUS votes. Yes it is OMGUS. He claims you are scum, then you vote him. Semantics about him not actually voting are semantics. I have completely no idea how to read Palmar since he abused the hell out of me in XLIV as town and his derailing of Lord of the Rings. His Jackal vote was weak as hell but then most of his early reads are poor so I'm not sure what to think yet. The headbutting with Curu is just an ego battle. The Chezinu lynch is bad cos he is renowned for playing like a wierdo and supposedly hasn't even opened his role PM yet. The Jackal lynch is bad cos he's always quiet on day 1. I fail to see how he has claimed mute. It is true that he hasn't replied to my PM but then PMing me got him killed in Werewolves so I understand, even though I'm hurt  Basically all the lynches with more than 1 vote on them at the moment are poor in my opinion. I want to lynch Sevryn. What? So you are saying nothing at all with your first real post and then want to lynch someone while giving no reason or any form of analysis? Have you made an effort reading this thread? Mig provided some really strong analysis on Palmar, and while I dont like the way Curu has been posting , right now I think Palmar is our best shot at lynching scum today. ##Unvote ## Vote Palmar | ||
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On September 30 2011 03:12 DropBear wrote: Oh for. I should never have made that stupid account. Yes I have read the thread. Mig's prime argument against Palmar is that he is a better player than his play in this game. My personal experience is that in fact his early play sucks in this game because his early play sucks in general. This is the guy who was renowned for shooting DTs we are talking about, plus his play in the last 2 games I've been involved in, once as town and once third party, was erratic and disruptive too. I much prefer to lynch Sevryn than Palmar. Hmm I need to look closer at Sev then , but you have seen his town play , right? I would say we can give him a couple of more days instead of going for the really easy kill on someone who is known for being scummy as hell when town. | ||
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On September 30 2011 05:12 wherebugsgo wrote: I give up, this is just ridiculous. I'm seriously shocked no one in this town fucking knows what OMGUS is. I am seriousy shocked that you care so much about that instead of posting something of value. | ||
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On September 30 2011 06:21 Incognito wrote: Here we go again with the baseless assumptions. Stop using throwing the word "meta" around. Townies are wrong all the time so this should NOT be a consideration for this lynch. This Palmar lynch is quite interesting right now, although this is nowhere near a "strong case". I am disturbed by the fact that nobody seems to be defending him in thread, (except perhaps wherebugsgo, underhandedly, and Forumite earlier) or is trying to derail the lynch. The most interesting thing about Palmar is that he doesn't defend himself at all and just claims alignment cop. The other thing is completely ignoring jackal and switching to Curu AFTER I said that the WBG and Jackal lynches are bad. With that said, there are definitely reasons to see why Palmar is town. Since this is quite an uncontested lynch, I'm going to be looking out for those lurkers who jumped on the wagon in the middle section. Erandorr and jcarlsoniv come to mind. ##Vote Erandorr for this post: Someone please tell me why Erandorr would pop up and pick on DropBear while voting Palmar in the same post. Palmar is also known for being scummy when town. So you think that right now based on me calling out DP for a really scummy post and then giving my own vote in a very short form since all I wanted to say had been said already makes me the most likely to flip scum today? And then you seem to not have read what Mig wrote about palmar , or you would not have made that second statement.. | ||
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On September 30 2011 07:21 sinani206 wrote: he told me to shoot someone, whose name i will not reveal what? | ||
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On September 30 2011 09:18 Mig wrote: ............... Someone explain to me why everyone is a retard. We are missing some wise old men helping us do the right thing ... | ||
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On September 30 2011 09:53 wherebugsgo wrote: [rap] yo yo yo wassup ma niggas wherebugsgo in da house Im about ta get shot in da face I feel it's causa ma race I sit here cryin' I'm gonna be dyin' please please please ma homies come save me my bronies there is one among y'all he's got a lotta damn gall his name's in to the cognito he's scum scum to the boneito and he's got a buddy, a nuke risk.nuke. such a damn gook. [/rap] obv can't be a forumite/Incog/Jackal scumteam keep an eye on those scummy lurkers. Risk.nuke has like 4 posts this game lol also I apologize if I have offended anyone this game particularly with my racially offensive rapping. well at least the drugs seem to be working | ||
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On October 01 2011 00:23 Forumite wrote: I´m not the Sniper, so either Jackal isn´t a Sniper either, or the GM hasn´t been online since. I doubt that the GM would leave the game alone for 14 hours, so it´s more or less settled that both I and Jackal fakeclaimed. That was so skillfully done, you have no idea just how impressed I am by your scumfinding abilities right now! | ||
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On October 01 2011 05:00 Curu wrote: tl;dr: Forumite is full of shit and should be lynched. What do you think about Jackal right now, then? | ||
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First I would like to add something to your analysis that really stood out to me when looking over his posts right now, which was this : On September 30 2011 07:00 Forumite wrote: =) Scumhunters supreme. He disliked the lynch for a very long time and then made it look like he actually contributed and that is either incredibly arrogant / stupid , or just the way for a scum player to fit in. Now the reason I am unsure about him is the experience I had with him in other games. If you look at cosmic horror, there he was 3rd party and actually managed to survive the game and win. All he did was keep his head low provide carefull analysis and survive until the end. Now granted that playing 3rd party and scum are different things, but the basic mentality is still there. Now do you remember how we said that he actually helped us seal the deal as scum in MLP? He just played plain bad got roleblocks and the like on himself. I just do not see that he would put himself out there like that and do his retarded fakeshot at WBG as scum. He feels like someone to be watched, but not like a solid lynch for day 2 | ||
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On October 01 2011 09:03 Forumite wrote: About Incog, he earlier sent me a PM, saying he thinks prplhz was scum and asking me to check up on it. This was probably the case that prplhz was referring to in the post below. The only german player is Supersoft. Supersoft, what was the case on prplhz that was circulating in PMs? I am german too fyi , but I did not tell him anything. The only person that msged me about prplhzhhzhzh was Incog, so Incog, did you push for that shot? | ||
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On October 01 2011 21:22 supersoft wrote: two PMs imply, that you answered him. is that correct? Why on earth would you ask that publicly after you stated that you think Scum is targeting mute players? How about you start contributing here in the thread and give us your thoughts on incog forumite and bugs? | ||
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On October 01 2011 23:56 supersoft wrote: why don't you post a list of these players? ;-) Hey supersoft, could you give us any of your thoughts about the people in this game? Just filter yourself for a second and then tell me what you did this game at all? I mean you posted one liners once in a while so thats already a start but now do the same with actual content and maybe push it to two lines? I know that is a lot to ask , but I believe you can do it! | ||
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On October 02 2011 02:06 Forumite wrote: What are you talking about? Is this a subtle hint that you just got muted? For the first couple of months you are only allowed to send 10 pms a day on TL | ||
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On October 02 2011 02:10 Curu wrote: New accounts have a PM limit, he keeps hitting the limit with his account so he's using another one. Curuuu. Kill Incog? What do you think | ||
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On October 02 2011 02:40 Nisani201 wrote: inb4 "I asked you first" nah I am actually going to answer this , hang on | ||
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On October 02 2011 04:41 Curu wrote: Also why'd your case on Erandorr suddenly disappear for you to pick up prplhz? Erandorr is pretty fucking scummy. Yo wait until you hear this Curu, your timing makes this look really bad :D | ||
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So you want me to do actual thinking? Okay lets start this with the assumption that Incognito is really good at this game. This is from his first real post after the general one about PMs : This Palmar lynch is quite interesting right now, although this is nowhere near a "strong case". I am disturbed by the fact that nobody seems to be defending him in thread, (except perhaps wherebugsgo, underhandedly, and Forumite earlier) or is trying to derail the lynch. The most interesting thing about Palmar is that he doesn't defend himself at all and just claims alignment cop. The other thing is completely ignoring jackal and switching to Curu AFTER I said that the WBG and Jackal lynches are bad. With that said, there are definitely reasons to see why Palmar is town. Since this is quite an uncontested lynch, I'm going to be looking out for those lurkers who jumped on the wagon in the middle section. Erandorr and jcarlsoniv come to mind. Notice the absolute non commitment. He doesnt tell us why he does not like the lynch on palmar, or discusses migs analysis and shows through that why he has problems with it. The same thing later. Apparantly there are "good reasons" why palmar is town, but he does not state any of them. His vote on me is pretty weak, but understandable with this explanation : I hope the first sentence is a joke, as there is no indication that I am "trying to start a bandwagon". I am just trying to point out things that nobody is talking about. Palmar is clearly about to be lynched, so I might as well move on. However look at his defence in the same post Of course, if he survives this lynch I'll go back and examine his past games later when I have time. This weird contradiction in combination with the things he said earlier make me pretty suspicious. Why would he say "lol the dude is about to be lynched lets look for other targets " , then try to say "well if he survives (which he already said palmar would not) i will check your guys claims and then decide if palmar is innocent or not" That is about as anti town as one can be. Now we get to the really confusing part, his case against Prlprlphlz(something like that ( sorry ))Unless I have missed something, no one claimed to have taken a hit. Scum has 2 KP, 2 people died. This means that Scum killed prlpzlhlzl, correct? Now under the assumption that Incog is scum, this would be a pretty stupid thing to do. Building a giant case against someone and then kill him to reveal that he is , in fact , town? I do not know about that one, there have been quite a few votes on Incog now , just for that fact alone. From what Prlprlzl said, there were apparantly Vigs taking aim at him, for being Scummy in PM land which is a fucking big accomplishment for a MUTE. What about this scenario : Incog is Town and convinced that prlpzh is Scum. He tries to get a vig shoot the guy. Scum know that Incog has the potential to be really good and just discredit him by shooting the person accused by incognito, thinking they might get a mislynch out of it, too. For most other people, this would be a pretty weak argument. But we are talking about someone who makes GM run around in circles excitedly (his words, not mine). Here is my biggest problem with this lynch : My first statement was that I assume that Incognito is really, really good at this game. If he is Scum then he is playing really badly. If he is town then his reads are wrong and his play in general is very scummy. Right now I am thinking : "Well he cannot be town since he would get the same reads as Mig ( what mig already pointed out)) " At the same time I cannot believe that someone like Incognito would play like this as Scum either. And what most people seem to overlook is , that his case against Prlprzhl was actually not that bad. So my answer , dead Curu , is that I just do not know what to think about Incognito right now. I think maybe the people who Pm with him frequently , or maybe incognito himself would like to help me out there? | ||
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On October 02 2011 04:46 Kenpachi wrote: Erandorr you are my best friend is that a good thing? | ||
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On October 02 2011 09:09 Nisani201 wrote: Yeah, he said the same thing to me as well. I fell really left out He was seemed to be mad at me for not answering him when it should have been fairly obvious that I am mute | ||
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Second time at 10/1/11 07:55 about bugs 3rd time at 10/1/11 09:32 when he seemed a bit mad he posted this : I asked for your opinion on wherebugsgo. If you don't want to PM me, at least post in the thread. Thanks. | ||
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On October 02 2011 09:24 Kenpachi wrote: which one? the 2nd one? well, his prplhz analysis was really weak. He still never addressed me or defended himself from me, and i think that is also really shady of him. No silly I am so self absorbed that it didnt occour to me that he could take to anyone but me. Just did not get that it was to you not me | ||
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On October 02 2011 09:48 Curu wrote: I didn't get anything about Erandorr btw, I got one asking about jcarl. Probably because he knew whatever happened I would not get off Palmar, idk. curu the pms he sent to me are litterally 3 posts up yours wondering about it :D | ||
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I would still like to know how someone as good as Incognito could make these obvious mistakes if he is scum, or as town, for that matter. Can someone please explain that to me? | ||
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I wrote something about that. Mig did too. Why dont you read that? Sorry I seem to assume that you follow the thread, stupid mistake | ||
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On October 02 2011 10:17 Forumite wrote: Do you mean sending 2 PMs to the same person asking about you, or repeatedly PMing a Mute player for information without result? No. Just try again and I am sure you will find what I am talking about . Its really not that hard | ||
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What I am trying to tell you is read the thread. You ignorance shows that you did not. Why dont you do that before asking very specific questions. If you have catched up and still dont understand some of the big words in the posts then feel free to ask what it is about | ||
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On October 03 2011 00:16 DropBear wrote: After speaking with Mig I am switching my vote to Incognito. He's not been transparent. A player who is as good as him should not be on something this stupid. I still want to lynch Sevryn but it looks like it's going to be hard to switch everyone off Curu/Incognito so Incognito it is. I still can't believe someone as good as Incognito would play this badly as scum either, but right now it is the more likely option. I actually considered Curu before NC made his case, but he wrote his big analysis before Mig did, pushing this lynch far too strongly to be considered scum since, after being on a scumteam with Curu 2 times I know that he hates bussing more than anything, he mentioned that himself. ##Vote Incognito | ||
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On October 03 2011 01:33 Sevryn wrote: I AM NOT A BIRD FROM FINAL FANTASY THANK YOU VERY MUCH I AM ! | ||
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On October 03 2011 04:13 Scamp wrote: I don't like how both DropBear and Errorandorr are talking about Incognito as a really good player with expectations. Just judge his play in this game, please. My opinion of it is that it has been really crappy. I'm voting for him. WBG why does the post-lynch need to be established in the thread? Look at all that was established during night 1. What happened to all of that? Why on earth would I do that? Its additional information that would be stupid to ignore. [...] Finally Incognito is at least right on the large number of players that simply aren't posting much in this thread. I don't know if things are awesome in PM land but it's utter stupidity for people to live there. PMs are only a powerful tool if you can discuss things without the mafia knowing, and you're sure of that. Of all the people that have posted very little so far I think DropBear is by far the most suspicious player. All he did day 1 was post a poem, attack Sevrn, and he even defended Palmar a little bit. He hasn't posted at all during night 1 or day 2 so far. How many of you remembered that he was still playing? Also could you explain, how did you get from the bolded part to "Incogs play is crappy I will vote for him"? You where non commital and suddenly feel like squeezing a vote for Incognito in there out of thin air? I thought DP is the most supicious guy , what happened to that? | ||
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On October 03 2011 07:50 Mig wrote: Anyway obviously unfortunate but we move on and reconsider all possibilities. i guess its time 4 us to do that. You stated earlier that you find both NC and Incog very scummy. Do you think he is the strongest target for tomorrow? Now the problem at hand is that Incog basicly lived in PM land so we have no idea what has been going on. SAme with NC who has just been trolling here and not given me any reads at all. If some of you who actually talked to him could give an assesment that would be great. | ||
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I take option 6, also you are an idiot O.o | ||
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On October 03 2011 08:32 wherebugsgo wrote: who the hell is asking these questions? you are? | ||
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On October 03 2011 09:00 wherebugsgo wrote: actually, it doesn't need to be answered openly. The question asker can PM me with his identity. Stop assuming I come with a pro-mafia agenda. Hey bugs, calm down. No need to pretend that you are an idiot when you send the questions to me yourself | ||
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On October 03 2011 16:49 wherebugsgo wrote: I'll take that as a yes, I guess. I guess you are right | ||
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Our medics didnt feel like saving the only 100 percent confirmed town. Well I guess they had better things to do O.o | ||
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What NC and Incog noted themselves in their analysis about Curu is the lack of any defence or derailing of the thread. The lynch happened basicly uncontested. The two options were A) It was a Bus B) Scum consists mainly of weaker players, who just did not do much at all and let it all happen. The second option was surprisingly quickly disregarded, but I would like to point out that a ton of players in this game are not known for being the strongest players this game has ever seen. Right now I count eight people who have contributed next to nothing, at least in the thread. As Incognito pointed out himself, mafia, especially inexperienced mafia love to hide. And when you have fairly high profile players like Curu and GM shouting at each other, there is not really any need for them to contribute anything either, since there are 5 others who do exactly the same thing and until now seem to be completely fine. Another point that has been brought up is that the team must have been balanced beforehand. Its a Kurumi game, people , when he said "I am rolling the dice right now" do you honestly think it impossible for him to just leave the team as it is? I find those kind of "meta" arguments to be amongst the most stupid, to be honest. We cannot really rely on that and I think that shouting contest between Curu and GM based on that fact was pretty fucking stupid. Now NC, this brings me to a problem I had with Incognitos first post in the game. He basicly said that Town needs to keep Scum in the dark as muc as possible to make them work for information, too. There may be truth in that but in this game it clearly led to Incognitos death, combined with the cases on Prplhz and Curu. The thing to note about the first case is that if you look at it , it is actually not that bad. It unfortunatly did seem to come out thin air, prplhz died ten minutes later and Incog was the best target for a lynch (although I still cannot believe people took that as a Scum reveal). Since we had next to no information about Incognito , I do not think anyone really can be blamed for deciding to kill him. He is known as an unbelievably good scumhunter and all we saw him do was being wrong. It does not matter what he did in PM Land unless it is made visible, some of us never even had the opportunity to properly speak with him. I still do not know why you thought that case on Curu was solid in any way but with that timing and no external information, it just looked like a diversion especially after Mig dismantled it. So I think instead of shouting at people you should learn the lessons if you are town and instead of ignoring this game for 24 hours, go ahead and hunt some scum. Even if you are right and curu is scum, there are still 2 others missing , correct? If you stay silent now you are probably going to be lynched and Curu probably is not. And that will fuck town over, badly. I am just going to steal something that Mig took out of Incognitos analysis of PYP: As a townie, you know your goal is to lynch all the mafia. But its easy to try to jump into the fray without knowing having a clear plan of action of how you are going to get to your goal. As has been stated before, the key is maintaining a positive town atmosphere. So how is this done? In order of descending importance: 1. Establish your innocence 2. Support the right townies 3. Vote properly 4. Shut down any attempts to lynch other obvious townies 5. Shut down attempts to spread doubt or chaos in the thread That does not sound like you right now , does it? I think it would be great if you could at least try(If you are scum then don't , that would help town too )I will have to think about a lynch candidate still, will give mythoughts on that tomorrow, I just think lynching either Curu or NC would be a big mistake on our part. | ||
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On October 04 2011 21:25 xtfftc wrote: Hey everyone. Please don't be mean to the new kid in class. Hi Xt How long do you think you will need to catch up? | ||
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On October 05 2011 03:22 jcarlsoniv wrote: Eh, I disagree. I was looking through his posts and got more of a townie vibe from him. Also, I'm surprised no one protected Mig last night. And sorry for Curu modkill =/ I know I didn't post yesterday, was a long day for me. But I was reading, just wasn't able to post. Who would you like to go for today? You must have at least one read, correct ? | ||
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On October 05 2011 03:56 jcarlsoniv wrote: In this post, the people he tags as scum have flipped town. Only person yet to flip is WBG, but WBG's play this game looks like his town play, so I'm very inclined to believe WBG is town as well. ##vote risk.nuke Thanks for your read Is your whole argument that he was wrong with everything he said? And from your point of view he would be the most certain to flip scum today, yes? Do you have anything on Dropbear, Sevryn and Forumite? | ||
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On October 04 2011 21:43 supersoft wrote: lol. now everyone is dead. i need some new friends now. dear redteam, i wanna join you. i am incognitos mysterious nightvigilante. for further information click the PM button on top and leave me some comments in my inbox. Hey supersoft, I know how much curu and mig meant to you, but could you try to be more active in the thread from now on? You said yourself that your filter does not look great right now and all the lurkers need to start posting so that those scummy fuckers do not have so much space to hide. So could you tell us what your thoughts are right now? | ||
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On October 05 2011 04:26 jcarlsoniv wrote: At this point, yes, he is probably the most likely to flip scum. Drop has been tunneling on Sev all game, but I'm leaning town on Sev. Usually when I see this happen it's town tunneling town. Definitely not definitive though. Still wary of Forumite. Could you explain what about Sev makes you lean town on him? | ||
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On October 06 2011 00:08 Nisani201 wrote: We need more support for a Sinani lynch. ##Vote: sinani206 We? | ||
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Let us talk about Jcarl. Firstly, look at his tone and this lovely poem : These votes I don't quite understand, This noobie scurred by vets. I generally hold my vote and determine what is best. Why would you underline that you are bad at this game already? there really is no need to unless you want to make sure that no one takes you seriously and as we all now, Scum loooove to do that. Also notice that he does not have any reason to post , really , since there are so many lurkers in the game. Other example here: Isn't PM land more beneficial for town? I think this is only my 2nd or 3rd PM game, so correct me if I'm wrong. Since scum already starts with quite a bit more info than town does, isn't it better to use PM land the best we can? Obviously things need to be posted in the thread, but if people can use their discretion with one person instead of having to say it publicly, isn't that better? or here : At this point, yes, he is probably the most likely to flip scum. Drop has been tunneling on Sev all game, but I'm leaning town on Sev. Usually when I see this happen it's town tunneling town. Definitely not definitive though. Still wary of Forumite. This is about as noncommittal as you can get He does not want to give us strong reads because he is scum and wants to hide as much as he can. Let us compare this to a post from a week ago in LOTR where he was town On September 20 2011 23:21 jcarlsoniv wrote: These are the things I get from this post: 1. You are intentionally lurking, which hurts town. I hate lurkers, they ruin the game. 2. Maybe DrH dying sucks more for you cuz you've lost your mafia overlord. Must be rough. 3. Your "strongest townreads" consist of at least 2 people that I think could very well be scum. Unacceptable. You want us to just take for granted that you are town, and that we'll understand why later? Absolutely not. It is YOUR job to convince us that you are town. We're not just gonna let you prance around on your merry way and not question you about it, especially after you've been intentionally lurking. Lol? "Sandroba is definitely town, and his vote on me is super accurate, so it should come off of me." How are you even remotely confirmed town. Again, it is not your job to tell us you're town. It's our job to understand and analyze from your posts and activity that you could be town. Oh, but wait, you haven't had any posts or activity worth noting. Guess you aren't confirmed town. Look at the agressive manner in which he is calling palmar out. Also feel free to look at his posts in general and see just how much he is actually doing there. He is strong, confident and not afraid to give his opinion. Here he just lurks. And look what he says there. He hates lurkers, they ruin the game What does he do this game? He lurks Now look at the ways in which he votes. This vote on Nuke is pretty bad. Jcarl says that Nuke is scum because he was wrong with all his reads. That alone is no reason to lynch somebody, and is also a subpar effort for someone like jcarl. On October 05 2011 04:26 jcarlsoniv wrote: At this point, yes, he is probably the most likely to flip scum. Drop has been tunneling on Sev all game, but I'm leaning town on Sev. Usually when I see this happen it's town tunneling town. Definitely not definitive though. Still wary of Forumite. Incog got suspicious of both Jcarl and me for the timing of our votes on Palmar. His was even worse than mine. He jumped on the wagon at a very convinient time, not having said anything about the lynch beforehand at the typical "Lets bus this guy " time(3rd or 4th vote) He tried to softly defend incognito, but caved in after talking to mig. That does not sound like him trying to have doubts, thats him trying to get some towncred on the way. I want to talk quickly about why I want to lynch jcarl instead of forumite or sinani. Those 2 are famous for being pretty big derps as town (sorry) Jcarl , on the other hand, has proven that he can play rather well and has done nothing of the sort in this game Let us sum this up, 1.He hates lurkers and lurks hardcore in this game 2.His votes are very convinient and let him keep a low profile 3.As town he has shown to be agressive and confident, in this he tries to be a little noobie who is 4.not sure about anything 5.He does not contribute at all Guess what that means. Jcarl is SCUM ## Vote Jcarl | ||
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Sinani always plays like this. Look at his past games. He is really really bad. He could be scum, but I think he might as well get shot by one of our brave vigilantes. Sev is also a giant derp townie. Completely unreadable. You have played with those guys, too , so you could start using your brain at some point, yes? Mig gave me some intel on Forumite which tells me that it would be a great idea to keep him around. Now please stop playing like sinani and tell my why you think my case is bad, with all the combinations of arguments i gave here. "I dont like it" is not a valuable contribution. If you read the logs again, notice how Jcarl just tell you he is really bad and does not know anything. Now do me a favor and look at LOTR and how he posts there. | ||
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We could go for scummy lurkers who are scummy lurkers every game and generally suck, or we could go for a Vet who plays like a scummy lurker after being very active last week in LOTR. | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + Original Message From wherebugsgo: [16:39] <wherebugsgo> aight [16:39] <wherebugsgo> you were gonna send me logs right? [16:39] <jcarlsoniv_> of? [16:39] <wherebugsgo> your convos with Mig/Curu I believe [16:39] <jcarlsoniv_> i hadn't spoken with curu [16:40] <wherebugsgo> just Mig? [16:40] <jcarlsoniv_> but yeah, i can send you what i spoke to mig about [16:40] <wherebugsgo> k sounds good [16:40] <wherebugsgo> it's always almost impossible to tell whether players had spoken to Curu or not lol [16:40] <jcarlsoniv_> haha [16:40] <wherebugsgo> Curu would always talk to me about things that made it sound like he'd talked to the players [16:40] <wherebugsgo> rather than hearing through Mig [16:41] <wherebugsgo> anyway he mentioned he thought you were town based on an argument you had with Mig over whether Incog is town [16:41] <jcarlsoniv_> i didn't have an argument with mig [16:41] <jcarlsoniv_> more like [16:41] <jcarlsoniv_> a very civil discussion [16:41] <jcarlsoniv_> lol [16:41] <wherebugsgo> lol [16:43] <jcarlsoniv_> k, i sent what i spoke to mig about [16:44] <jcarlsoniv_> learn anything from risk.nuke? [16:45] <wherebugsgo> to be honest no [16:45] <wherebugsgo> I can send you the log of our convo if you want [16:45] <jcarlsoniv_> yeah, plz [16:48] <wherebugsgo> also [16:48] <wherebugsgo> I've been talking to sevryn [16:48] <wherebugsgo> really can't tell if he's town or mafia either [16:50] <jcarlsoniv_> it's risk's first game? O_o [16:50] <wherebugsgo> yes [16:50] <wherebugsgo> apparently [16:51] <wherebugsgo> now keeping that in mind [16:51] <wherebugsgo> sevryn said, don't look into it too much [16:51] <wherebugsgo> when I told sevryn it is risk's first game [16:51] <jcarlsoniv_> ? [16:51] <jcarlsoniv_> teh fack [16:51] <wherebugsgo> yeah...lol [16:51] <wherebugsgo> IMO [16:51] <wherebugsgo> sevryn is scumbuddies with Forumite [16:51] <wherebugsgo> and probably sinani [16:51] <wherebugsgo> but not 100% on that [16:51] <wherebugsgo> for now [16:51] <wherebugsgo> I'm going to leave my vote on risk [16:52] <wherebugsgo> and see if sinani shows up and votes him [16:52] <jcarlsoniv_> yeah i'd like to see how risk flips [16:52] <wherebugsgo> you want to actually lynch him? [16:52] <jcarlsoniv_> i think it being his first game is definitely something we SHOULD take into consideration [16:52] <wherebugsgo> exactly [16:52] <wherebugsgo> I mean, he's played like it's his first game [16:52] <wherebugsgo> for sure [16:52] <jcarlsoniv_> "is that scummy?" from your logs with him? [16:52] <wherebugsgo> lol [16:52] <jcarlsoniv_> why the hell [16:52] <wherebugsgo> I felt like saying [16:52] <wherebugsgo> why yes [16:52] <wherebugsgo> yes it is [16:52] <wherebugsgo> LOL [16:53] <jcarlsoniv_> hahahaha [16:53] <wherebugsgo> but yeah anyway [16:53] <wherebugsgo> if sevryn is not scum [16:53] <wherebugsgo> that leaves one of forumite/sinani/dropbear/xt to be the last two [16:54] <wherebugsgo> err two of rather [16:54] <jcarlsoniv_> that makes sense [16:55] <jcarlsoniv_> how do you plan on finding out if sev is scum? lol [16:55] <wherebugsgo> I don't believe [16:55] <wherebugsgo> uhh [16:55] <wherebugsgo> yeah good question [16:55] <wherebugsgo> idk [16:55] <jcarlsoniv_> do we have a pyro? [16:55] <wherebugsgo> doubt it [16:55] <wherebugsgo> not that I know of, anyway [16:55] <jcarlsoniv_> ~_~ [16:55] <wherebugsgo> I mean, you're not anything ,are you? [16:55] <jcarlsoniv_> nah [16:55] <jcarlsoniv_> unfortunately [16:55] <wherebugsgo> yeah same here lol [16:55] <wherebugsgo> we lost our medic [16:56] <jcarlsoniv_> i think [16:56] <wherebugsgo> and he was probably the only one [16:56] <jcarlsoniv_> people see how i play in past games [16:56] <jcarlsoniv_> and they're like [16:56] <jcarlsoniv_> WOW FUCK THAT HE'S NOT GETTING SHIT [16:56] <wherebugsgo> loool [16:56] <wherebugsgo> nah man [16:56] <wherebugsgo> you're a pretty good player IMO [16:56] <jcarlsoniv_> i used to be better [16:56] <wherebugsgo> I can tell you're town [16:56] <jcarlsoniv_> got real rusty after my ~6 month hiatus [16:56] <wherebugsgo> and if you're scum you're playing a damn fantastic game [16:57] <wherebugsgo> yeah maybe that's what happened to incog lol [16:57] <wherebugsgo> his mind was just not in it [16:57] <jcarlsoniv_> has it been a while for him? [16:57] <wherebugsgo> idk I know he hasn't played recently [16:57] <jcarlsoniv_> gotcha [16:57] <wherebugsgo> none of the super vets have [16:58] <jcarlsoniv_> i gotta say though [16:58] <jcarlsoniv_> i was pretty disappointed with the play of the "super vets" this game [16:58] <wherebugsgo> rofl [16:58] <wherebugsgo> only incog is a legendary vet I think [16:58] <wherebugsgo> he just died due to inactivity [16:58] <jcarlsoniv_> i was expecting to be carried like you carried me in resurrection xD [16:58] <wherebugsgo> probably RL shit [16:58] <wherebugsgo> oh dude resurrection [16:58] <wherebugsgo> lol I loved that setup [16:58] <wherebugsgo> so baller [16:58] <jcarlsoniv_> it was definitely [16:58] <jcarlsoniv_> NOT [16:58] <jcarlsoniv_> the game [16:58] <jcarlsoniv_> to come back with [16:59] <wherebugsgo> LOL [16:59] <wherebugsgo> no flip hahaha [16:59] <jcarlsoniv_> srsly [16:59] <wherebugsgo> tbh I like that better [16:59] <jcarlsoniv_> first no flip game i ever played [16:59] <jcarlsoniv_> psh i don't [16:59] <wherebugsgo> I think you can make cool things happen with it [16:59] <jcarlsoniv_> i hate not learning things after a lynch [16:59] <wherebugsgo> like all of it [16:59] <wherebugsgo> is on scumhunting lol [16:59] <jcarlsoniv_> yeah [16:59] <jcarlsoniv_> see [16:59] <jcarlsoniv_> i'm bad at that [16:59] <wherebugsgo> meh [16:59] <jcarlsoniv_> lol [16:59] <wherebugsgo> have some confidence lol [16:59] <jcarlsoniv_> yah [16:59] <wherebugsgo> IMO even if you're not on the right track [16:59] <wherebugsgo> I think you can tell when something's wrong [16:59] <wherebugsgo> like honestl [16:59] <wherebugsgo> incog was such an easy lynch [17:00] <wherebugsgo> palmar was too. Who defended him? [17:00] <jcarlsoniv_> did anyone? [17:00] <wherebugsgo> me, forumite, incog [17:00] <wherebugsgo> lol [17:00] <jcarlsoniv_> xD [17:00] <wherebugsgo> forumite never did it directly [17:00] <jcarlsoniv_> i knew palmar was an easy lynch [17:00] <wherebugsgo> he just kept saying "I don't like wbg/jackal lynch I'd prefer Curu/Palmar and I lean Curu" [17:00] <wherebugsgo> over and over [17:00] <wherebugsgo> just never quantified his statements [17:00] <jcarlsoniv_> i may have been a bit bitter with him over LOTR still haha [17:00] <wherebugsgo> just kept saying he liked Curu better [17:01] <wherebugsgo> lawl Palmar [17:01] <wherebugsgo> idk why he hates scum [17:01] <wherebugsgo> he just rolled over and died [17:01] <wherebugsgo> as the fuckin pyro [17:01] <wherebugsgo> anyway [17:01] <wherebugsgo> let's try to determine [17:01] <jcarlsoniv_> [1:37:48 PM] risk.nuke: It just looked so dire with mig getting killed and then curu got himself modkilled [17:01] <wherebugsgo> this shit [17:01] <jcarlsoniv_> oh wow [17:01] <jcarlsoniv_> that didn't work at all [17:01] <jcarlsoniv_> h/o [17:01] <jcarlsoniv_> lol [17:02] <jcarlsoniv_> If you're town I can't let you belive I'm mafia, we can't afford it. [17:02] <jcarlsoniv_> lol [17:02] <jcarlsoniv_> wut is that [17:04] <wherebugsgo> lawl [17:04] <wherebugsgo> alright [17:04] <wherebugsgo> you think he's noob town or noob scum? [17:05] <jcarlsoniv_> he's either scum or REALLY FUCKING NOOB town [17:05] <jcarlsoniv_> like [17:05] <jcarlsoniv_> a lot of what he's saying is noob town [17:05] <wherebugsgo> LOL [17:05] <jcarlsoniv_> but there are little things in there [17:05] <jcarlsoniv_> that are like [17:05] <jcarlsoniv_> "why would he say that if he's town" [17:05] <wherebugsgo> yes, precisely [17:05] <wherebugsgo> now did you notice anything weird about the timestamps? [17:06] <jcarlsoniv_> uh not really? [17:06] <jcarlsoniv_> convo took 2.5 hours? [17:06] <wherebugsgo> not a long convo, is it? [17:06] <wherebugsgo> it's about as long as the one we've had [17:06] <wherebugsgo> in roughly 25 [17:07] <jcarlsoniv_> why was that? [17:07] <jcarlsoniv_> he take a long time to respond to everything? [17:07] <wherebugsgo> indeed [17:07] <wherebugsgo> this was on skype [17:07] <wherebugsgo> I went back and replaced his name and my name with our s/ns [17:07] <wherebugsgo> but otherwise it's unchanged [17:07] <wherebugsgo> the timestamps [17:07] <wherebugsgo> if you notice [17:07] <wherebugsgo> sometimes he takes as long as 6 minutes to respond [17:07] <wherebugsgo> actually I think the longest gap was 10 [17:07] <wherebugsgo> and then at one point I left cause I was impatient lol [17:08] <wherebugsgo> and came back 10 minutes later [17:08] <jcarlsoniv_> glad that's not suspicious or anything [17:08] <wherebugsgo> also since skype allows you to see the person typing [17:08] <wherebugsgo> he would type type type [17:08] <wherebugsgo> then erase it all [17:08] <wherebugsgo> then just sit there [17:08] <jcarlsoniv_> yeah i saw you say something about it [17:08] <jcarlsoniv_> like he was over cautious about what he was saying [17:08] <wherebugsgo> yeah exactly [17:08] <wherebugsgo> I have no idea why [17:08] <wherebugsgo> I talked to kenpachi [17:09] <wherebugsgo> and he was like yeah I do that too, but I don't spend five minutes replying [17:09] <wherebugsgo> and I was in total agreement...everyone erases a bit [17:09] <wherebugsgo> but no one does that [17:09] <jcarlsoniv_> lol [17:09] <jcarlsoniv_> i assume that's why you'd use skype over this though? [17:10] <jcarlsoniv_> at least, that's a strong reason [17:10] <wherebugsgo> nah he preferred skype lol [17:10] <wherebugsgo> tbh with you I never considered that until this guy did it [17:11] <jcarlsoniv_> hah [17:11] <wherebugsgo> but even so he has no opinions [17:11] <jcarlsoniv_> yeah [17:11] <jcarlsoniv_> even new people have opinions [17:11] <jcarlsoniv_> albeit, usually wrong ones [17:11] <wherebugsgo> right [17:11] <wherebugsgo> Sevryn has a few opinions [17:11] <wherebugsgo> but he has no opinion on Forumite [17:11] <wherebugsgo> which is really weird [17:11] <jcarlsoniv_> yeah, i'm about to read that log [17:11] <wherebugsgo> yeah read it and lemme know what you think, I'll brb [17:16] <jcarlsoniv_> kinda weird how he avoided forumite til you pressed it [17:17] <wherebugsgo> yep [17:17] <wherebugsgo> he was fine with sinani [17:17] <wherebugsgo> he was like "oh wat sinani's in the game wtf?" [17:17] <jcarlsoniv_> yah [17:17] <wherebugsgo> problem is he voted for risk lol [17:18] <wherebugsgo> so I guess the solution is to lynch forumite today [17:18] <wherebugsgo> but some people aren't willing to do that today [17:18] <wherebugsgo> and rather would wait to see if he lives till tomorrow [17:18] <jcarlsoniv_> well [17:18] <jcarlsoniv_> hmm [17:18] <jcarlsoniv_> if he is blue and we lynch him [17:18] <jcarlsoniv_> that really really sucks [17:18] <wherebugsgo> yeah that's exactly why people are war [17:18] <wherebugsgo> *wary [17:19] <jcarlsoniv_> if he lives til tomorrow, we get at least one more night with him [17:19] <wherebugsgo> to me he's been scum all game so I don't give a shit [17:19] <jcarlsoniv_> assuming he's blue [17:19] <jcarlsoniv_> but yeah, he's been scummy to me too [17:19] <wherebugsgo> yeah assuming he's blue he'll get shot [17:19] <wherebugsgo> by the mafia [17:19] <wherebugsgo> for being alive 3 nights in a row [17:19] <wherebugsgo> when it was obvious he wasn't VT [17:19] <jcarlsoniv_> maybe they're just derps [17:19] <wherebugsgo> no way [17:19] <wherebugsgo> well [17:19] <jcarlsoniv_> and are happier just killing VTs [17:19] <wherebugsgo> okay yeah I guess that's possible lol [17:19] <jcarlsoniv_> lol [17:19] <wherebugsgo> they shot a bunch of mutes [17:19] <wherebugsgo> and the only remaining players in the game [17:19] <wherebugsgo> are pretty much derps [17:19] <wherebugsgo> so yeah [17:19] <wherebugsgo> wtf [17:20] <jcarlsoniv_> true [17:20] <jcarlsoniv_> also [17:20] <wherebugsgo> wtf lol so we can't even assume that [17:20] <jcarlsoniv_> you told sev i'm only a null??? [17:20] <jcarlsoniv_> *cry* [17:20] <wherebugsgo> LOL [17:20] <jcarlsoniv_> that hurts [17:20] <wherebugsgo> indeed [17:20] <wherebugsgo> don't worry [17:20] <wherebugsgo> not gonna tell sevryn shit [17:20] <jcarlsoniv_> haha [17:20] <wherebugsgo> I don't want my reads leaking to scum [17:20] <wherebugsgo> wink wink [17:20] <jcarlsoniv_> wink wink nudge nudge [17:20] <wherebugsgo> slap [17:20] <jcarlsoniv_> =( [17:20] <wherebugsgo> oh I thought you liked slaps [17:20] <wherebugsgo> dammit [17:20] <jcarlsoniv_> no [17:21] <jcarlsoniv_> that was you [17:21] <wherebugsgo> oh right [17:21] <wherebugsgo> alright so we have sev/risk covered [17:21] <wherebugsgo> as in we don't fucking know what they are [17:21] <jcarlsoniv_> rofl [17:21] <jcarlsoniv_> feels like [17:21] <jcarlsoniv_> that's a common theme [17:21] <wherebugsgo> yeah [17:21] <wherebugsgo> this game is absolute trash [17:21] <jcarlsoniv_> too many nulls [17:21] <wherebugsgo> I got warned for posting too much in the thread [17:21] <wherebugsgo> by kurumi loll [17:21] <jcarlsoniv_> i saw that [17:22] <jcarlsoniv_> kurumi real troll [17:22] <jcarlsoniv_> on scum team [17:22] <wherebugsgo> lawl [17:22] <wherebugsgo> bah [17:22] <jcarlsoniv_> doesn't want you posting, modkills curu lol [17:22] <wherebugsgo> both modkills were bs IMO [17:22] <jcarlsoniv_> what was the other one? [17:22] <wherebugsgo> tnkted [17:22] <wherebugsgo> for not voting in the voting thread [17:22] <jcarlsoniv_> oh [17:22] <jcarlsoniv_> well [17:22] <jcarlsoniv_> tbh [17:22] <jcarlsoniv_> if i were to host a game, i'd be super strict [17:22] <jcarlsoniv_> like, no warnings for edits and shit [17:22] <wherebugsgo> yeah I can see the tnkted one but [17:23] <jcarlsoniv_> cuz people should know by now [17:23] <wherebugsgo> true true [17:23] <jcarlsoniv_> but yeah, the curu one sucks [17:23] <jcarlsoniv_> i mean, i guess it's fair [17:23] <jcarlsoniv_> but really fucks us [17:23] <wherebugsgo> curu actually thought the tnkted modkill was bs lol [17:23] <wherebugsgo> and his was okay [17:23] <jcarlsoniv_> haha [17:23] <wherebugsgo> but w/e [17:23] <wherebugsgo> enough hosting discussion [17:23] <jcarlsoniv_> dude [17:23] <jcarlsoniv_> we're like [17:23] <jcarlsoniv_> super ADD [17:23] <wherebugsgo> loool [17:24] <jcarlsoniv_> now [17:24] <jcarlsoniv_> dropbear [17:24] <wherebugsgo> hey man this has been one of the most productive PMs I've had [17:24] <wherebugsgo> DB needs to show up [17:24] <wherebugsgo> or I want him dead [17:24] <jcarlsoniv_> i agree [17:24] <jcarlsoniv_> but i don't think it should happen now [17:24] <jcarlsoniv_> i think we need to watch him closely [17:24] <jcarlsoniv_> because [17:24] <jcarlsoniv_> sev is right that DB has been tunneling [17:24] <jcarlsoniv_> but [17:24] <jcarlsoniv_> more often than not [17:24] <jcarlsoniv_> a tunnel this hard is town on town [17:24] <wherebugsgo> town on town action [17:25] <wherebugsgo> aight so let's assume they're both town [17:25] <wherebugsgo> that leaves us with four [17:25] <wherebugsgo> sinani risk forumite xt [17:25] <wherebugsgo> sinani/xt scum or not? [17:25] <jcarlsoniv_> god idk [17:25] <wherebugsgo> I mean in this case with this assumption one of them has to be [17:25] <jcarlsoniv_> i'm not sure what to make of NC's display [17:26] <wherebugsgo> yeah so I'ma throw another null wrench into the mix [17:26] <jcarlsoniv_> gun to head [17:26] <wherebugsgo> GM's rage seemed to be genuine [17:26] <jcarlsoniv_> out of those two [17:26] <jcarlsoniv_> i'd say sinani [17:26] <wherebugsgo> okay I agree [17:26] <jcarlsoniv_> but, again, not much to go on [17:26] <wherebugsgo> xt I think is town [17:26] <wherebugsgo> because he responded to me in a townie fashion earlier [17:26] <wherebugsgo> when I asked him for his reads [17:26] <jcarlsoniv_> k [17:26] <wherebugsgo> like [17:26] <wherebugsgo> aggressive townie fashion [17:26] <wherebugsgo> however the fact that he had no reads [17:26] <jcarlsoniv_> you'd know something about that, eh? [17:27] <wherebugsgo> lol [17:27] <wherebugsgo> he had no reads though. and like...he seemed to lack interest [17:27] <wherebugsgo> not sure what to pick up on that but I told him to get me reads within 23 hours [17:27] <wherebugsgo> before lynch basically [17:27] <wherebugsgo> we can't lynch him today anyway [17:27] <wherebugsgo> it'd be dumb [17:27] <jcarlsoniv_> yah [17:27] <jcarlsoniv_> i can imagine being a replacement sucks [17:27] <wherebugsgo> yeah I agree [17:28] <wherebugsgo> reading all the shit me incog and NC wrote lol [17:28] <wherebugsgo> but anyway he seemed to be putting in effort in reading it [17:28] <wherebugsgo> so I've actually been leaning green on him [17:28] <wherebugsgo> sinani is absolutely null again [17:28] <jcarlsoniv_> yeh [17:29] <jcarlsoniv_> le sigh [17:29] <wherebugsgo> I'm curious though [17:29] <wherebugsgo> if we could get [17:29] <wherebugsgo> DB and Sevryn [17:29] <wherebugsgo> in the same IRC chat [17:29] <wherebugsgo> and see what they start saying lol [17:29] <jcarlsoniv_> idk [17:29] <jcarlsoniv_> might be [17:29] <jcarlsoniv_> a really quiet chat room [17:29] <wherebugsgo> lol [17:29] <wherebugsgo> I'm going to post this in the thread [17:29] <wherebugsgo> that they should PM me [17:31] <jcarlsoniv_> now, kenpachi accuses me and supersoft [17:31] <jcarlsoniv_> forumite soft defends [17:31] <jcarlsoniv_> what do you make of that [17:32] <wherebugsgo> kenpachi accusing two townies [17:32] <wherebugsgo> Forumite jumping on the opportunity to mislynch [17:32] <wherebugsgo> kenpachi is just careless [17:32] <jcarlsoniv_> now that you say that [17:32] <jcarlsoniv_> i vaguely remember that from like a year ago [17:33] <wherebugsgo> about kenpachi? [17:33] <jcarlsoniv_> yeh [17:33] <wherebugsgo> oh lol [17:33] <wherebugsgo> well [17:33] <wherebugsgo> I've only played with him twice [17:33] <wherebugsgo> here and resurrection [17:33] <wherebugsgo> not much difference tbh [17:33] <wherebugsgo> I get a townie vibe from him in PMs [17:33] <wherebugsgo> but you should talk to him [17:33] <wherebugsgo> you should talk to all these players actually [17:33] <wherebugsgo> don't mention I sent you [17:33] <jcarlsoniv_> yeah, i'll see what i can find out [17:34] <jcarlsoniv_> although, if kenpachi thinks i'm scum [17:34] <jcarlsoniv_> he may not want to say anything at all [17:34] <wherebugsgo> eh generally [17:34] <wherebugsgo> the way you talk to someone will convince them of you being scum or town [17:34] <wherebugsgo> so I'm sure if you just talk to him like we've talked it'll be fine [17:34] <jcarlsoniv_> nah man [17:34] <jcarlsoniv_> imma be like [17:35] <jcarlsoniv_> YO Y U THINK I SCUM [17:35] <wherebugsgo> LOL [17:35] <wherebugsgo> aight so [17:35] <wherebugsgo> this is what I'm gonna do [17:35] <wherebugsgo> I'm gonna make a spreadsheet [17:35] <wherebugsgo> with numbers and shit [17:35] <wherebugsgo> of who thinks who is scum [17:35] <jcarlsoniv_> numbers??? no wai [17:35] <wherebugsgo> then maybe we can identify our mafia that way [17:35] <wherebugsgo> yeah man numbers and colors and shit [17:35] <jcarlsoniv_> why don't you make it a google doc [17:35] <wherebugsgo> yeah I will [17:35] <jcarlsoniv_> ok [17:36] <wherebugsgo> oh wtf [17:36] <wherebugsgo> I pressed "create spreedsheet" [17:36] <wherebugsgo> and it did nothing [17:36] <jcarlsoniv_> you fail the internets [17:37] <wherebugsgo> what the fak [17:37] <wherebugsgo> lol wtf [17:37] <wherebugsgo> it's seriously not doing anything [17:37] <wherebugsgo> tried it in chrome and firefox [17:38] <jcarlsoniv_> T_T [17:38] <jcarlsoniv_> lemme try [17:38] <jcarlsoniv_> on fucking IE cuz i'm on a library comp [17:38] <wherebugsgo> lol + Show Spoiler + Original Message From wherebugsgo: [17:49] <wherebugsgo___> well that was dumb [17:49] <wherebugsgo___> got booted off chrome somehow [17:49] == jcarlsoniv_ [webchat@198.7.239.20] [17:49] == realname : http://webchat.quakenet.org [17:49] == channels : #loonybin [17:49] == server : *.quakenet.org [QuakeNet IRC Server] [17:49] == End of WHOIS [17:50] <jcarlsoniv_> rofl [17:50] <jcarlsoniv_> you have [17:50] <jcarlsoniv_> so many underscores [17:50] <wherebugsgo___> yeah lol [17:51] <wherebugsgo___> I figured out what was wrong with the thing [17:51] <wherebugsgo___> it's google's "new look" in the doc page [17:51] <wherebugsgo___> switched it to classic and it worked lol [17:51] <jcarlsoniv_> lol k [17:51] <jcarlsoniv_> so you're making it? [17:52] <wherebugsgo___> indeed will start now [17:52] <wherebugsgo___> okay [17:52] <wherebugsgo___> so [17:52] <wherebugsgo___> most likely scum to least likely for you? [17:52] <wherebugsgo___> remaining 12 players: [17:52] <wherebugsgo___> 2. sinani206 3. risk.nuke 4. jcarlsoniv 5. wherebugsgo 7. Nisani201 8. Erandorr 9. NotChezinu/Replaced by xtffc 13. Kenpachi 14. DropBear 15. Forumite 19. supersoft 20. Sevryn [17:53] <jcarlsoniv_> uhhhhh [17:53] <jcarlsoniv_> this is like a fucking IQ test... [17:54] <wherebugsgo___> lawl [17:54] <wherebugsgo___> all of them [17:54] <wherebugsgo___> are below 80 [17:54] <jcarlsoniv_> below 80 what? [17:54] <wherebugsgo___> IQ [17:54] <wherebugsgo___> so basically [17:54] <wherebugsgo___> pick out the dumb townies [17:54] <wherebugsgo___> from the dumb scum game [17:54] <wherebugsgo___> that's what this is hahaha [17:55] <jcarlsoniv_> lovely [17:56] <jcarlsoniv_> gonna take a minute, doing hw at the same time haha [17:57] <wherebugsgo___> k sounds good [17:57] <wherebugsgo___> take your time no rush [18:04] <jcarlsoniv_> forumite/risknuke, sinani, DB, xtffc, supersoft, Sev, Kenpachi, Erandorr, nisani, WBG/jcarl [18:04] <jcarlsoniv_> i guess [18:04] <wherebugsgo___> aight [18:05] <wherebugsgo___> I'll put that in [18:05] <wherebugsgo___> at what point [18:05] <wherebugsgo___> do you cross from unsure [18:05] <wherebugsgo___> to town [18:05] <jcarlsoniv_> at WBG/jcarl [18:05] <jcarlsoniv_> lol [18:05] <jcarlsoniv_> jk [18:05] <jcarlsoniv_> uhhh [18:05] <wherebugsgo___> sev/ken or xt/super [18:05] <jcarlsoniv_> probably somewhere between kenpachi and erandorr [18:06] <wherebugsgo___> ah okay [18:06] <jcarlsoniv_> actually, switch kenpachi and erandorr, i don't really have much on erandorr [18:06] <wherebugsgo___> alright [18:06] <wherebugsgo___> so [18:06] <wherebugsgo___> erandor and below [18:06] <wherebugsgo___> is unsure [18:06] <wherebugsgo___> and risk/forumite is scum [18:07] <jcarlsoniv_> how far is that from your list? [18:07] <wherebugsgo___> mmm [18:07] <wherebugsgo___> not terribly far but I think I have more info than you do [18:08] <wherebugsgo___> basically based on what Curu and Mig told me [18:08] <wherebugsgo___> unfortunately they didn't give me reasons [18:08] <wherebugsgo___> but I'm sure they had them [18:08] <wherebugsgo___> you, me, kenpachi, super, erandor, nisani are all town [18:08] <wherebugsgo___> like above 90% on all of you [18:08] <wherebugsgo___> unfortunately erandor is mute but I have to say his posting in the thread is not scummy at all [18:09] <jcarlsoniv_> yeah that's why i'm unsure on erandorr [18:09] <wherebugsgo___> so basically out of these I'd rank kenpachi as the lowest on being sure because he said you and super are scum for no reason [18:09] <wherebugsgo___> but I'm still like 90 on him [18:10] <wherebugsgo___> then we get into [18:10] <wherebugsgo___> xt/DB/sev/sinani [18:10] <wherebugsgo___> who are all derp and could be either [18:10] <wherebugsgo___> then forumite/risk of whom I think forumite is 95% scum and risk who is like 70% lol [18:11] <wherebugsgo___> but out of these I'd rank xt the highest, closest to town [18:11] <wherebugsgo___> then DB/sev are equal [18:11] <wherebugsgo___> sinani third to last and then risk/forumite [18:11] <jcarlsoniv_> yeah i can jump on board with that [18:13] <wherebugsgo___> yeah [18:13] <wherebugsgo___> it comes down to determining which FoSes match [18:13] <wherebugsgo___> the DB/sev thing is like??? [18:13] <wherebugsgo___> probably both retard town [18:13] <jcarlsoniv_> and we need to see who defends whom [18:13] <wherebugsgo___> yeah exactly [18:13] <jcarlsoniv_> and who condemns whom [18:15] <wherebugsgo___> did you notice [18:15] <wherebugsgo___> sevryn glossed over sinani? [18:15] <wherebugsgo___> AND forumite [18:15] <wherebugsgo___> he asked if sinani was playing [18:15] <wherebugsgo___> but he didn't answer my question [18:15] <wherebugsgo___> he answered it about Forumite when I pressed the issue [18:16] <wherebugsgo___> but he gave me no opinion about sinani [18:16] <jcarlsoniv_> yeah i did [18:16] <jcarlsoniv_> i keep getting mixed up with nisani and sinani personally lol [18:16] <wherebugsgo___> lol [18:16] <wherebugsgo___> nisani is town [18:16] <wherebugsgo___> I can almost guarantee that [18:17] <jcarlsoniv_> lol k [18:17] <wherebugsgo___> as for sinani he could be on the moon and I wouldn't know [18:18] <jcarlsoniv_> yah [18:18] <jcarlsoniv_> we need to pressure the lurkers [18:18] <jcarlsoniv_> weird for me to say cuz i'm kinda one of them [18:18] <jcarlsoniv_> at least [18:18] <jcarlsoniv_> i'm a thread lurker [18:18] <wherebugsgo___> yeah but you're not a PM lurker [18:18] <wherebugsgo___> not like DB [18:18] <wherebugsgo___> who is both [18:19] <wherebugsgo___> or sinani [18:19] <wherebugsgo___> who just sucks [18:19] <jcarlsoniv_> lol [18:19] <jcarlsoniv_> ok, i'm going back to my room [18:19] <jcarlsoniv_> save these logs [18:19] <jcarlsoniv_> cuz i can't, lol [18:20] <jcarlsoniv_> i'll be back on in like [18:20] <jcarlsoniv_> 5 - 10 minutes [18:20] <wherebugsgo___> alight sounds good These are the logs Bugs sent me. Read my analysis, then read those and see if there is anything that would make you believe jcarl is town. Also notice that mig had Jcarl categorized as one of the most scummy people in the game. Bugs, like incog I will ignore you, since you are unable to post without insults, all CAPS , or just spamming the thread without any argumennts Everyone else please read what I have written and feel free to discuss it. I realize that I posted it far too late, but consider it for today, if possible. | ||
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You say you have a reputation for wrongly accusing town? Well, why don't you do this in this game, too? I have read the logs of you and Bugs, for the most part its him talking at you. All you do thats a "read" is giving bugs a list from bottom to top about scummyness. Thats not giving a read, thats giving a list without any justification. THe rest of the conversation is Bugs talking at you and you, for the most part agreeing with him. For him that is a sign of you being town , not for anybody who looks at it objectivly. The PM part is impossible to track, which makes it very convinient. I do however, have to ask the question why, if you think everyone in here is retarded, you do not try to push your lynch instead of giving a 1 lines accusation about a lurker who is playing his first game. Who have you been talking to the last few days? Now derailing this on my is typical scum logic. If you cannot argue with something, lets make me look bad, too. I agree that my timing is looking scummy but that is not enough to make me scum, The rest of the my Case does make you scum , though. What bugged me about Incog is that you never considered how he could play so bad as Town, either. Oh wait I do. You are scum and knew he is not... Mig thought you are likely scum too, and his judgement is great, you are right Oh and I love how you ignored my part about your 1 line Vote for Nuke. | ||
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On October 06 2011 03:46 jcarlsoniv wrote: Did I not just say that I'm trying to be more selective? You want me to go back to my ways of wrongly accusing town? I wasn't trying to make you look scummy. I was discrediting your argument. But you know what? If you really want to lynch me, that is your choice. What will you learn from lynching me though? That you were wrong, first off. But say I were to flip scum, who does that implicate? I agree with WBG + Show Spoiler + zomg i'm doing it again ##unvote ##vote Sevryn I can assure you that Forumite is not refusing because there is a connection. . Now you are in fact not discrediting my argument. My vote was scummy, your was too. That is what I was saying. you are not discrediting my argument you are saying" lol you did the same thing" Also, why would you point out what we get from your lynch? I say that you I can read, Sev I cannot and I would rather go for a certain scum lynch. You should try to convince me that you are town and not talk about what this lynch does for me. Is this really all you got ? Also why don't you tell me who you have been talking with? I am sure that they would come forward and defend you, right? | ||
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On October 06 2011 04:08 jcarlsoniv wrote: I have spoken with Mig, Incog, Nisani, WBG, xtff. I tried to speak with DB, but he never responded to me. A couple of them are already dead, WBG has already spoken up in my defense. I know that once someone is convinced someone else is scum, it is an extremely difficult task to convince them otherwise. I do not have the energy nor desire to bang my head against the wall trying to convince you that you are wrong. I have to go to practice though, I will be back after the lynch. Oh no , I am completely open minded. THe thing is though that you have unfortunately not given me anything that I would consider enough to change my mind I am afraid. So being active for you means talking to three people? The rest are all dead after all. Why not try to talk to risk.nuke, if you think he is scum? Or Sevryn? They are lurking pretty bad after all. If you are convinced of them being scum, shouldnt you try to get as much information out of them as possible? Please give me another reason for that other than you are scum and do not need to talk to them and know their alignment anyways. | ||
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On October 06 2011 04:12 jcarlsoniv wrote: Actually one more thing: A good portion of your argument is my thread lurking and seeming lack of activity. Notice how my activity waned in LOTR towards the end right before I died. Notice how that connects with the beginning of this game. Funny thing being a college athlete with a double major. Some days become more busy than others. So as soon as you get attacked you have the time to write a ton, which seems like the first time in the game? Thats incredibly convenient. | ||
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Mig gave me pretty much proof that forumite is no sniper and also not read. He is very helpful to town though. So please consider that , yes? Also why not kill jcarl today? | ||
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On October 06 2011 05:33 wherebugsgo wrote: Okay everyone vote Forumite now. If Forumite is for real a sniper sevryn will flip before the lynch, because there is 1.5 hours till the lynch. THIS SHOT CANNOT BE CANCELED IF HE'S ACTUALLY A SNIPER Our alternatives are Forumite/sinani. If anyone can give me a good reason why we should keep Forumite please post it. If you can provide a good reason I am for switching to sinani, but I will consider no other players. No. Sev will not die earlier, so if you do not agree about jcarl we lynch sev. Okay? Also that you did not even ask for Forumites claim is baffling. I honestly cannot explain the way you are playing. Give him some options and understand what this is about , okay? | ||
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The bad lynch traget is Mig, because he told me forumite is confirmed town and I have no reason to doubt him or lie about that. Sev is okay becasue he is a scummy lurker so we have a chance of like 50 percent to hit scum. Now jcarl is good because with him you can actually prove things. If no one goes for Jcarl I would be content with Sev just to not kill a blue. | ||
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On October 06 2011 05:53 supersoft wrote: and how is a fakesniper useful for us? ohhh you claimed vet to mig and you want to take a shot... USELESS we need confirmed townies and we don't need liars. I mean, a little lie is okay, if you try to catch scum with that. But a lie that kills a whole day? No way. You can't be that stubborn. Blargh I hate it. I HATE IT. Why do you make it so hard if you're town. We need a pro town atmosphere. We need to discuss our topic. If we have one crazy ****** who thinks he can beat the scumteam alone and therefor only does his own business we lose! We lynch you now for obvious reasons. It's a sad story. Really. Confirmed the night before mig died apparantly and you seem to be sure about his role , but never spoke about it before. Interesting | ||
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Forumite is a HEAVY. He is trying to draw hits. Now supersoft does not believe that which is better than what you do. You are just plain retarded | ||
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On October 06 2011 06:05 wherebugsgo wrote: I don't actually care what his role is, have I not made that clear? He has not even played like a vet. Everything he's done could have been done by a mafia. No mafia would ever shoot someone who has no proper reads, is a complete detriment to town, and is thought to be scummy by over half of the living players in the game. I can't believe you actually think that's a believable claim. If it is actually true, it's one of the worst town plays I've seen. Look at the jackal shot when he did it immediatly after him. Look at his past games when he was unbelievably scummy as town. Put 1 and 1 together In other words: play this game properly | ||
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On October 06 2011 06:59 Kenpachi wrote: no you havent experienced a pandain mass vote switch are you still my best friend? | ||
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I apologize in advance if xt flips town, I got really tilted the last couple of hours. Let us hope the best and try to keep this thread civil. We hurt town a lot with that attitude. If he flips scum then good, if not we should once again look at everyone who was absent at the time of the lynch. Jcarl I do not mean you with that, you gave notice in advance, but would you be okay with answering my questions from after you went away? | ||
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On October 06 2011 08:52 jcarlsoniv wrote: I forgot you were Radfield's first victim xD Can you give me a quick recap of the questions you had? I'm on my phone and it's a bit difficult to go back and find them in the sea of pitchforks for xt Mhh you say you where not active in the thread, but active in PMs. You then named like 6 people, three of them dead. My question is why you did not try to contact the people you are susicious of. I mean if you are town that is the logical step isn't it? Get some more insight to justify your claims? You accused me of not considering that you are active in PMs, yet you gave risk.nuke the same treatment and never tried to contact him? I find that really strange, combined with a one line accusation that is based on "He was wrong with all his reads". | ||
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On October 06 2011 10:02 sinani206 wrote: w8 wut y we lynch dat bro No fucking clue. It just happened. Also knowing what he actually was would be nice i guess | ||
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Lets look forward then( what could possibly go wrong now O.o ) Right now its 8v3 After tonight it will probably be 6v3, which means we are at mylo and that means that a no lynch will actually be a viable option tomorrow, (since it will be 4v3 with lylo and thats better odds than 6v3) Also to our vigis ( if they actually exist): If you are not 100 percent sure about shooting someone then don't do it. You shoot the wrong person and the game is lost for us. | ||
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On October 07 2011 04:37 jcarlsoniv wrote: What I don't understand is why, of all people, would you choose xt? Erandorr had created a case against me. Sevyrn was due to be lynched. But all of a sudden, WBG swoops in with a bandwagon that Radfield would be proud of and you all jump on it? Xt gained enough votes in 10 minutes to save Sevryn, and I don't understand how. I guess you still had a lot of stuff to do or why where you not here ? Like blowing up mountains? ( that was aweeeesome ) I know you are much more active in PMs , but right now we need everything we can get, so could you make an effort and tell us who you think is Scum now? And why would be cool too i guess | ||
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On October 07 2011 05:16 Forumite wrote: I think we should risk letting the BLU Sniper shoot someone, because otherwise the Red Sniper will most likely Daykill and win it for the Scum. It´s not 4v3 tomorrow, it´s going to be 3v3. Well if we have a sniper ourselves it would work out since the scum sniper could just be shot. If not then you are completely right. | ||
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See jcarl u scum <3 | ||
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Why did you survive then? | ||
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