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On September 28 2011 06:15 TranceStorm wrote:Show nested quote +On September 28 2011 05:52 chaoser wrote:On September 28 2011 05:49 TranceStorm wrote:On September 28 2011 05:45 chaoser wrote:On September 28 2011 05:41 TranceStorm wrote:On September 28 2011 00:45 kitaman27 wrote:
There were 20+ players in the game. Its unreasonable to think I would just risk a tracker claim and hope I was right. If the 1/20+ odds don't go my way, then I'm lynched for lying. The fact is, I am a tracker and I wasn't lying. As for being a mafia tracker, I don't recall ever playing in a game where scum could track people. Even it its possible, 99% of the time, the tracker is town aligned. Don't overthink this.
Also, isn't it convenient that nobody else is committing one way or another until they see where the safe lynch is? People like draz have completely disappeared. I really really want to believe that kitaman is mafia, but this is the stumbling block for me. I find it super suspicious that the one information role who has scum-hunting abilities was not even touched by the mafia who decided to hit an assortment of other players instead. But at the same time, kitaman did call out chaoser correctly, and I don't think a tracker would be useful at all in the hands of mafia. Chaoser makes some arguments about how kitaman made a massive gamble and what not, but that's got a really really low chance of success (must less than even iGrok's gamble) and I don't think the mafia would take that risk. On the basis of his role itself, I think kitaman is not mafia. I claimed DT as mafia in a game where a tracker, a watcher, and two other DTs were out in the open. Many people sheeped me into letting the mafia win. Let's not have that happen again. Yeah but kitaman essentially confirmed his powers as tracker - not like in your previous instances. When he called you out, only 3 people had been killed that night (not including modkills). That means that he only had a 3/20ish chance of picking out the right person if he was just guessing. Not likely in my opinion. Its far more likely that he's not lying about his abilities. Radfield, who was mafia, already thought I was a third party. Him announcing it so late is also due to the fact that he was deciding on whether he wanted to do it or not. He could have claimed he tracked me early right after the flip. He waited 7 hours until he did it and when asked why he said "he wanted to see what I was going to do" except he never asks me any questions before that, never talks to me before that. It make no sense. Yeah but waiting for 7 hours doesn't change the fact that there is still only a 3/20 chance of being correct. And if he were mafia, it would be even lower because he would have had to identify the vig/3rd party. Regardless of his suspicious actions, the fact that he made that correct call is so unlikely if he were mafia.
Who are you willing to lynch over kitaman then? I'm willing also to lynch ON. I just feel strongest about kitaman being scum
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kitaman27
United States9244 Posts
On September 28 2011 06:01 GreYMisT wrote:
After thinking it over I am inclined to believe that Chaoser is telling the truth.
1) the past 2 times he has killed, he has expressed suspicion of that person in the thread, and has attacked from a town agenda (pushed for prp's lynch day1 and a lot of us were suspicious of radfield)
2) His play does not say SK to me at all. Rather than attacking threats to himself, he is activly hunting scum
3) I dont think he is scum (because of the radfield kill)
With that said, I think Kitaman is our best canidate atm, As Chaoser pointed out there are some very odd things about the way his role claim happened. His day1 play seemed slightly off to me as well. Only did one pressure vote, didnt any real opinions, just defending/clarifying points, then jumped on the errandor wagon when it appeared. the rest has already been mentioned many times.
##Vote Kitaman
Greymist. I honestly think you are the only person in the thread that doesn't think chaoser is a serial killer. Are you still willing to reason or is this a lost cause?
This is only your 3rd-4th game, so I'm not sure if you are just unaware about how unlikely his claim is or what. In the history of team liquid mafia, there has never been a town aligned bulletproof compulsive vigilante. This role would be beyond broken for town. Even if every single one of us were vanilla town and we had 1 bulletproof compulsive vigilante, the setup would still be town favored. In there history of teamliquid mafia, there are only a handful of town aligned players who ever ever been bulletproof. You only see them in PYP games and the occassion theme game. In the history of teamliquid mafia, there have only been a handful of town aligned compulsive vigilantes. It is absolutely impossible to take two of the strongest possible roles and combining them. How can you say he is not attacking threats to himself? He has been trying to get my lynched all day long.
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On September 28 2011 00:58 chaoser wrote:Show nested quote +On September 28 2011 00:45 kitaman27 wrote:
There were 20+ players in the game. Its unreasonable to think I would just risk a tracker claim and hope I was right. If the 1/20+ odds don't go my way, then I'm lynched for lying. The fact is, I am a tracker and I wasn't lying. As for being a mafia tracker, I don't recall ever playing in a game where scum could track people. Even it its possible, 99% of the time, the tracker is town aligned. Don't overthink this.
Also, isn't it convenient that nobody else is committing one way or another until they see where the safe lynch is? People like draz have completely disappeared. I fake claimed as DT in a game where a watcher, a DT, a tracker, and another DT were either flipped from death or accounted for by claiming in the thread and I ended up winning the game as mafia without being lynched. Fake claiming is not really that big a risk. At the least, as iGrok showed, your teammates can bus you if needed. This risk is even less in this game especially since it is a closed setup game where we don't know the roles and also the number of roles that exist. This makes it's very very possible to fake claim and get away with it. Of course I'm not trying to convince you that you fake claimed lol, I'm trying to convince others. Your play makes no sense for someone who is a proclaimed tracker, not to mention the fact that you were townie in two previous other games and mafia thought it prudent to kill you off day 1. Now that you've claimed tracker, mafia doesn't kill you? They don't even roleblock you. You're a good player with a blue information role and instead they shoot supersoft? Someone that they didn't know was blue over someone that they knew was blue? That doesn't seem right at all.
If Kitman is scum, then he somehow knew that you were the one responsible for radfield, which makes you scum. Alternatively, kitman is telling the truth, which means you're telling the truth which makes him town and you 3rd party or town. Either way, I don't see a scenario where we should lynch kitaman before you.
However given the fact that Palmar's been a scummy troll, ON has all but disappeared and GGQ also has all but disappeared, I'd say there were 3 lynch targets better than either of you. This town has been one big huge sheepfest, and it needs to stop.
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On September 28 2011 06:25 kitaman27 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 28 2011 06:01 GreYMisT wrote:
After thinking it over I am inclined to believe that Chaoser is telling the truth.
1) the past 2 times he has killed, he has expressed suspicion of that person in the thread, and has attacked from a town agenda (pushed for prp's lynch day1 and a lot of us were suspicious of radfield)
2) His play does not say SK to me at all. Rather than attacking threats to himself, he is activly hunting scum
3) I dont think he is scum (because of the radfield kill)
With that said, I think Kitaman is our best canidate atm, As Chaoser pointed out there are some very odd things about the way his role claim happened. His day1 play seemed slightly off to me as well. Only did one pressure vote, didnt any real opinions, just defending/clarifying points, then jumped on the errandor wagon when it appeared. the rest has already been mentioned many times.
##Vote Kitaman Greymist. I honestly think you are the only person in the thread that doesn't think chaoser is a serial killer. Are you still willing to reason or is this a lost cause? This is only your 3rd-4th game, so I'm not sure if you are just unaware about how unlikely his claim is or what. In the history of team liquid mafia, there has never been a town aligned bulletproof compulsive vigilante. This role would be beyond broken for town. Even if every single one of us were vanilla town and we had 1 bulletproof compulsive vigilante, the setup would still be town favored. In there history of teamliquid mafia, there are only a handful of town aligned players who ever ever been bulletproof. You only see them in PYP games and the occassion theme game. In the history of teamliquid mafia, there have only been a handful of town aligned compulsive vigilantes. It is absolutely impossible to take two of the strongest possible roles and combining them. How can you say he is not attacking threats to himself? He has been trying to get my lynched all day long.
No one actually cares that he's an SK.
We're lynching scum, you are a subset of scum.
Are you the roleblocker?
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You claimed gimped tracker...there has NEVER been such a role in TL mafia. Not in themed games, not in PYP games, not in anything. So yeah...
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kitaman27
United States9244 Posts
On September 28 2011 06:15 TranceStorm wrote:Show nested quote +On September 28 2011 05:52 chaoser wrote:On September 28 2011 05:49 TranceStorm wrote:On September 28 2011 05:45 chaoser wrote:On September 28 2011 05:41 TranceStorm wrote:On September 28 2011 00:45 kitaman27 wrote:
There were 20+ players in the game. Its unreasonable to think I would just risk a tracker claim and hope I was right. If the 1/20+ odds don't go my way, then I'm lynched for lying. The fact is, I am a tracker and I wasn't lying. As for being a mafia tracker, I don't recall ever playing in a game where scum could track people. Even it its possible, 99% of the time, the tracker is town aligned. Don't overthink this.
Also, isn't it convenient that nobody else is committing one way or another until they see where the safe lynch is? People like draz have completely disappeared. I really really want to believe that kitaman is mafia, but this is the stumbling block for me. I find it super suspicious that the one information role who has scum-hunting abilities was not even touched by the mafia who decided to hit an assortment of other players instead. But at the same time, kitaman did call out chaoser correctly, and I don't think a tracker would be useful at all in the hands of mafia. Chaoser makes some arguments about how kitaman made a massive gamble and what not, but that's got a really really low chance of success (must less than even iGrok's gamble) and I don't think the mafia would take that risk. On the basis of his role itself, I think kitaman is not mafia. I claimed DT as mafia in a game where a tracker, a watcher, and two other DTs were out in the open. Many people sheeped me into letting the mafia win. Let's not have that happen again. Yeah but kitaman essentially confirmed his powers as tracker - not like in your previous instances. When he called you out, only 3 people had been killed that night (not including modkills). That means that he only had a 3/20ish chance of picking out the right person if he was just guessing. Not likely in my opinion. Its far more likely that he's not lying about his abilities. Radfield, who was mafia, already thought I was a third party. Him announcing it so late is also due to the fact that he was deciding on whether he wanted to do it or not. He could have claimed he tracked me early right after the flip. He waited 7 hours until he did it and when asked why he said "he wanted to see what I was going to do" except he never asks me any questions before that, never talks to me before that. It make no sense. Yeah but waiting for 7 hours doesn't change the fact that there is still only a 3/20 chance of being correct. And if he were mafia, it would be even lower because he would have had to identify the vig/3rd party. Regardless of his suspicious actions, the fact that he made that correct call is so unlikely if he were mafia.
Arguing with a serial killer is pointless. I even breadcrumbed my suspicion of him, right before the day post. It's crazy to think I didn't track him. A few games back when I was watcher, I sat on my red check an entire day before claiming. Just because I didn't instantly claim, doesn't mean the claim is fake.
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On September 28 2011 06:27 Pyo wrote:Show nested quote +On September 28 2011 00:58 chaoser wrote:On September 28 2011 00:45 kitaman27 wrote:
There were 20+ players in the game. Its unreasonable to think I would just risk a tracker claim and hope I was right. If the 1/20+ odds don't go my way, then I'm lynched for lying. The fact is, I am a tracker and I wasn't lying. As for being a mafia tracker, I don't recall ever playing in a game where scum could track people. Even it its possible, 99% of the time, the tracker is town aligned. Don't overthink this.
Also, isn't it convenient that nobody else is committing one way or another until they see where the safe lynch is? People like draz have completely disappeared. I fake claimed as DT in a game where a watcher, a DT, a tracker, and another DT were either flipped from death or accounted for by claiming in the thread and I ended up winning the game as mafia without being lynched. Fake claiming is not really that big a risk. At the least, as iGrok showed, your teammates can bus you if needed. This risk is even less in this game especially since it is a closed setup game where we don't know the roles and also the number of roles that exist. This makes it's very very possible to fake claim and get away with it. Of course I'm not trying to convince you that you fake claimed lol, I'm trying to convince others. Your play makes no sense for someone who is a proclaimed tracker, not to mention the fact that you were townie in two previous other games and mafia thought it prudent to kill you off day 1. Now that you've claimed tracker, mafia doesn't kill you? They don't even roleblock you. You're a good player with a blue information role and instead they shoot supersoft? Someone that they didn't know was blue over someone that they knew was blue? That doesn't seem right at all. If Kitman is scum, then he somehow knew that you were the one responsible for radfield, which makes you scum. Alternatively, kitman is telling the truth, which means you're telling the truth which makes him town and you 3rd party or town. Either way, I don't see a scenario where we should lynch kitaman before you. However given the fact that Palmar's been a scummy troll, ON has all but disappeared and GGQ also has all but disappeared, I'd say there were 3 lynch targets better than either of you. This town has been one big huge sheepfest, and it needs to stop.
Ok so you're saying...the only way kita is scum... is if i'm scum...and I shot radfield? You do realize people don't have to play with perfect information right?
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On September 28 2011 06:27 Pyo wrote:Show nested quote +On September 28 2011 00:58 chaoser wrote:On September 28 2011 00:45 kitaman27 wrote:
There were 20+ players in the game. Its unreasonable to think I would just risk a tracker claim and hope I was right. If the 1/20+ odds don't go my way, then I'm lynched for lying. The fact is, I am a tracker and I wasn't lying. As for being a mafia tracker, I don't recall ever playing in a game where scum could track people. Even it its possible, 99% of the time, the tracker is town aligned. Don't overthink this.
Also, isn't it convenient that nobody else is committing one way or another until they see where the safe lynch is? People like draz have completely disappeared. I fake claimed as DT in a game where a watcher, a DT, a tracker, and another DT were either flipped from death or accounted for by claiming in the thread and I ended up winning the game as mafia without being lynched. Fake claiming is not really that big a risk. At the least, as iGrok showed, your teammates can bus you if needed. This risk is even less in this game especially since it is a closed setup game where we don't know the roles and also the number of roles that exist. This makes it's very very possible to fake claim and get away with it. Of course I'm not trying to convince you that you fake claimed lol, I'm trying to convince others. Your play makes no sense for someone who is a proclaimed tracker, not to mention the fact that you were townie in two previous other games and mafia thought it prudent to kill you off day 1. Now that you've claimed tracker, mafia doesn't kill you? They don't even roleblock you. You're a good player with a blue information role and instead they shoot supersoft? Someone that they didn't know was blue over someone that they knew was blue? That doesn't seem right at all. If Kitman is scum, then he somehow knew that you were the one responsible for radfield, which makes you scum. Alternatively, kitman is telling the truth, which means you're telling the truth which makes him town and you 3rd party or town. Either way, I don't see a scenario where we should lynch kitaman before you. However given the fact that Palmar's been a scummy troll, ON has all but disappeared and GGQ also has all but disappeared, I'd say there were 3 lynch targets better than either of you. This town has been one big huge sheepfest, and it needs to stop.
No, what needs to stop is you talking.
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On September 28 2011 06:28 kitaman27 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 28 2011 06:15 TranceStorm wrote:On September 28 2011 05:52 chaoser wrote:On September 28 2011 05:49 TranceStorm wrote:On September 28 2011 05:45 chaoser wrote:On September 28 2011 05:41 TranceStorm wrote:On September 28 2011 00:45 kitaman27 wrote:
There were 20+ players in the game. Its unreasonable to think I would just risk a tracker claim and hope I was right. If the 1/20+ odds don't go my way, then I'm lynched for lying. The fact is, I am a tracker and I wasn't lying. As for being a mafia tracker, I don't recall ever playing in a game where scum could track people. Even it its possible, 99% of the time, the tracker is town aligned. Don't overthink this.
Also, isn't it convenient that nobody else is committing one way or another until they see where the safe lynch is? People like draz have completely disappeared. I really really want to believe that kitaman is mafia, but this is the stumbling block for me. I find it super suspicious that the one information role who has scum-hunting abilities was not even touched by the mafia who decided to hit an assortment of other players instead. But at the same time, kitaman did call out chaoser correctly, and I don't think a tracker would be useful at all in the hands of mafia. Chaoser makes some arguments about how kitaman made a massive gamble and what not, but that's got a really really low chance of success (must less than even iGrok's gamble) and I don't think the mafia would take that risk. On the basis of his role itself, I think kitaman is not mafia. I claimed DT as mafia in a game where a tracker, a watcher, and two other DTs were out in the open. Many people sheeped me into letting the mafia win. Let's not have that happen again. Yeah but kitaman essentially confirmed his powers as tracker - not like in your previous instances. When he called you out, only 3 people had been killed that night (not including modkills). That means that he only had a 3/20ish chance of picking out the right person if he was just guessing. Not likely in my opinion. Its far more likely that he's not lying about his abilities. Radfield, who was mafia, already thought I was a third party. Him announcing it so late is also due to the fact that he was deciding on whether he wanted to do it or not. He could have claimed he tracked me early right after the flip. He waited 7 hours until he did it and when asked why he said "he wanted to see what I was going to do" except he never asks me any questions before that, never talks to me before that. It make no sense. Yeah but waiting for 7 hours doesn't change the fact that there is still only a 3/20 chance of being correct. And if he were mafia, it would be even lower because he would have had to identify the vig/3rd party. Regardless of his suspicious actions, the fact that he made that correct call is so unlikely if he were mafia. Arguing with a serial killer is pointless. I even breadcrumbed my suspicion of him, right before the day post. It's crazy to think I didn't track him. A few games back when I was watcher, I sat on my red check an entire day before claiming. Just because I didn't instantly claim, doesn't mean the claim is fake.
Quote the game and post please
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kitaman27
United States9244 Posts
On September 28 2011 06:27 chaoser wrote:
You claimed gimped tracker...there has NEVER been such a role in TL mafia. Not in themed games, not in PYP games, not in anything. So yeah...
Are you honestly trying to argue that a nerfed tracker is more likely than a bulletproof compuslive vigilante.....
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As far as I understand his claim, He is not compulsive, he can just shoot if certain criteria are met. I think it is possible he is SK, its just other than his role, nothing he has done has seemed SKish.
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On September 28 2011 06:29 kitaman27 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 28 2011 06:27 chaoser wrote:
You claimed gimped tracker...there has NEVER been such a role in TL mafia. Not in themed games, not in PYP games, not in anything. So yeah... Are you honestly trying to argue that a nerfed tracker is more likely than a bulletproof compuslive vigilante.....
I'm saying that your claim means jack shit as does mine. But at least my actions have been consistent and I killed a mafia. On the other hand your actions have been all over the place. All of a sudden you are no longer suspicious of heist and ON, even though you said you would right up something for them. You push for my lynch over iGrok's that day and only after town pushed for iGrok's lynch did you move over. That was about 11 hours after the flip btw.
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kitaman27
United States9244 Posts
On September 28 2011 06:27 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On September 28 2011 06:25 kitaman27 wrote:On September 28 2011 06:01 GreYMisT wrote:
After thinking it over I am inclined to believe that Chaoser is telling the truth.
1) the past 2 times he has killed, he has expressed suspicion of that person in the thread, and has attacked from a town agenda (pushed for prp's lynch day1 and a lot of us were suspicious of radfield)
2) His play does not say SK to me at all. Rather than attacking threats to himself, he is activly hunting scum
3) I dont think he is scum (because of the radfield kill)
With that said, I think Kitaman is our best canidate atm, As Chaoser pointed out there are some very odd things about the way his role claim happened. His day1 play seemed slightly off to me as well. Only did one pressure vote, didnt any real opinions, just defending/clarifying points, then jumped on the errandor wagon when it appeared. the rest has already been mentioned many times.
##Vote Kitaman Greymist. I honestly think you are the only person in the thread that doesn't think chaoser is a serial killer. Are you still willing to reason or is this a lost cause? This is only your 3rd-4th game, so I'm not sure if you are just unaware about how unlikely his claim is or what. In the history of team liquid mafia, there has never been a town aligned bulletproof compulsive vigilante. This role would be beyond broken for town. Even if every single one of us were vanilla town and we had 1 bulletproof compulsive vigilante, the setup would still be town favored. In there history of teamliquid mafia, there are only a handful of town aligned players who ever ever been bulletproof. You only see them in PYP games and the occassion theme game. In the history of teamliquid mafia, there have only been a handful of town aligned compulsive vigilantes. It is absolutely impossible to take two of the strongest possible roles and combining them. How can you say he is not attacking threats to himself? He has been trying to get my lynched all day long. No one actually cares that he's an SK. We're lynching scum, you are a subset of scum. Are you the roleblocker?
You said just a few hours ago that you were fine with lynching the SK. You and chaoser have been buddy, buddy the entire game.
How could I be the roleblocker when I've already confirmed myself as a tracker...
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On September 28 2011 06:32 kitaman27 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 28 2011 06:27 Palmar wrote:On September 28 2011 06:25 kitaman27 wrote:On September 28 2011 06:01 GreYMisT wrote:
After thinking it over I am inclined to believe that Chaoser is telling the truth.
1) the past 2 times he has killed, he has expressed suspicion of that person in the thread, and has attacked from a town agenda (pushed for prp's lynch day1 and a lot of us were suspicious of radfield)
2) His play does not say SK to me at all. Rather than attacking threats to himself, he is activly hunting scum
3) I dont think he is scum (because of the radfield kill)
With that said, I think Kitaman is our best canidate atm, As Chaoser pointed out there are some very odd things about the way his role claim happened. His day1 play seemed slightly off to me as well. Only did one pressure vote, didnt any real opinions, just defending/clarifying points, then jumped on the errandor wagon when it appeared. the rest has already been mentioned many times.
##Vote Kitaman Greymist. I honestly think you are the only person in the thread that doesn't think chaoser is a serial killer. Are you still willing to reason or is this a lost cause? This is only your 3rd-4th game, so I'm not sure if you are just unaware about how unlikely his claim is or what. In the history of team liquid mafia, there has never been a town aligned bulletproof compulsive vigilante. This role would be beyond broken for town. Even if every single one of us were vanilla town and we had 1 bulletproof compulsive vigilante, the setup would still be town favored. In there history of teamliquid mafia, there are only a handful of town aligned players who ever ever been bulletproof. You only see them in PYP games and the occassion theme game. In the history of teamliquid mafia, there have only been a handful of town aligned compulsive vigilantes. It is absolutely impossible to take two of the strongest possible roles and combining them. How can you say he is not attacking threats to himself? He has been trying to get my lynched all day long. No one actually cares that he's an SK. We're lynching scum, you are a subset of scum. Are you the roleblocker? You said just a few hours ago that you were fine with lynching the SK. You and chaoser have been buddy, buddy the entire game. How could I be the roleblocker when I've already confirmed myself as a tracker...
mafia can share information, alternatively you guys shot chaoser and gambled him being SK.
I'm fine with lynching the SK, but that's not an option now, 1h30 minutes until the lynch and he has what... 1 vote?
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kitaman27
United States9244 Posts
On September 28 2011 06:29 GreYMisT wrote:
As far as I understand his claim, He is not compulsive, he can just shoot if certain criteria are met. I think it is possible he is SK, its just other than his role, nothing he has done has seemed SKish.
He is lying. He has no requirements. Do you think its really a coincidence he won't ever reveal them? Is it really a coincidence that he just happened to get a bulletproof role and survive the shot? It is really a coincidence that he just happened to have a kp when he got tracked? The claim was far too convenient. Fine, even if he has requirements, do you really think there is a bulletproof player in the game who can shoot? It's just so unreasonable.
Yes, other than his role he has done everything that makes him seem skish.
On day two, he 100% supports igrok after his third party claim. He makes a specific reference to the assassin game, talking about how its always a waste to lynch third party. He was keeping around igrok because it meant that iGrok would always get lynched before him. Shooting radfield is 100% in line with a sk agenda. Not only does it give him town cred as third party, it also removes the player that is most capable of leading a lynch against him.
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kitaman27
United States9244 Posts
On September 28 2011 06:34 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On September 28 2011 06:32 kitaman27 wrote:On September 28 2011 06:27 Palmar wrote:On September 28 2011 06:25 kitaman27 wrote:On September 28 2011 06:01 GreYMisT wrote:
After thinking it over I am inclined to believe that Chaoser is telling the truth.
1) the past 2 times he has killed, he has expressed suspicion of that person in the thread, and has attacked from a town agenda (pushed for prp's lynch day1 and a lot of us were suspicious of radfield)
2) His play does not say SK to me at all. Rather than attacking threats to himself, he is activly hunting scum
3) I dont think he is scum (because of the radfield kill)
With that said, I think Kitaman is our best canidate atm, As Chaoser pointed out there are some very odd things about the way his role claim happened. His day1 play seemed slightly off to me as well. Only did one pressure vote, didnt any real opinions, just defending/clarifying points, then jumped on the errandor wagon when it appeared. the rest has already been mentioned many times.
##Vote Kitaman Greymist. I honestly think you are the only person in the thread that doesn't think chaoser is a serial killer. Are you still willing to reason or is this a lost cause? This is only your 3rd-4th game, so I'm not sure if you are just unaware about how unlikely his claim is or what. In the history of team liquid mafia, there has never been a town aligned bulletproof compulsive vigilante. This role would be beyond broken for town. Even if every single one of us were vanilla town and we had 1 bulletproof compulsive vigilante, the setup would still be town favored. In there history of teamliquid mafia, there are only a handful of town aligned players who ever ever been bulletproof. You only see them in PYP games and the occassion theme game. In the history of teamliquid mafia, there have only been a handful of town aligned compulsive vigilantes. It is absolutely impossible to take two of the strongest possible roles and combining them. How can you say he is not attacking threats to himself? He has been trying to get my lynched all day long. No one actually cares that he's an SK. We're lynching scum, you are a subset of scum. Are you the roleblocker? You said just a few hours ago that you were fine with lynching the SK. You and chaoser have been buddy, buddy the entire game. How could I be the roleblocker when I've already confirmed myself as a tracker... mafia can share information, alternatively you guys shot chaoser and gambled him being SK. I'm fine with lynching the SK, but that's not an option now, 1h30 minutes until the lynch and he has what... 1 vote?
You switching would make it 3:2. This lynch is nowhere near decided with all the lurkers sitting back and watching.
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kitaman27
United States9244 Posts
On September 28 2011 06:29 chaoser wrote:Show nested quote +On September 28 2011 06:28 kitaman27 wrote:On September 28 2011 06:15 TranceStorm wrote:On September 28 2011 05:52 chaoser wrote:On September 28 2011 05:49 TranceStorm wrote:On September 28 2011 05:45 chaoser wrote:On September 28 2011 05:41 TranceStorm wrote:On September 28 2011 00:45 kitaman27 wrote:
There were 20+ players in the game. Its unreasonable to think I would just risk a tracker claim and hope I was right. If the 1/20+ odds don't go my way, then I'm lynched for lying. The fact is, I am a tracker and I wasn't lying. As for being a mafia tracker, I don't recall ever playing in a game where scum could track people. Even it its possible, 99% of the time, the tracker is town aligned. Don't overthink this.
Also, isn't it convenient that nobody else is committing one way or another until they see where the safe lynch is? People like draz have completely disappeared. I really really want to believe that kitaman is mafia, but this is the stumbling block for me. I find it super suspicious that the one information role who has scum-hunting abilities was not even touched by the mafia who decided to hit an assortment of other players instead. But at the same time, kitaman did call out chaoser correctly, and I don't think a tracker would be useful at all in the hands of mafia. Chaoser makes some arguments about how kitaman made a massive gamble and what not, but that's got a really really low chance of success (must less than even iGrok's gamble) and I don't think the mafia would take that risk. On the basis of his role itself, I think kitaman is not mafia. I claimed DT as mafia in a game where a tracker, a watcher, and two other DTs were out in the open. Many people sheeped me into letting the mafia win. Let's not have that happen again. Yeah but kitaman essentially confirmed his powers as tracker - not like in your previous instances. When he called you out, only 3 people had been killed that night (not including modkills). That means that he only had a 3/20ish chance of picking out the right person if he was just guessing. Not likely in my opinion. Its far more likely that he's not lying about his abilities. Radfield, who was mafia, already thought I was a third party. Him announcing it so late is also due to the fact that he was deciding on whether he wanted to do it or not. He could have claimed he tracked me early right after the flip. He waited 7 hours until he did it and when asked why he said "he wanted to see what I was going to do" except he never asks me any questions before that, never talks to me before that. It make no sense. Yeah but waiting for 7 hours doesn't change the fact that there is still only a 3/20 chance of being correct. And if he were mafia, it would be even lower because he would have had to identify the vig/3rd party. Regardless of his suspicious actions, the fact that he made that correct call is so unlikely if he were mafia. Arguing with a serial killer is pointless. I even breadcrumbed my suspicion of him, right before the day post. It's crazy to think I didn't track him. A few games back when I was watcher, I sat on my red check an entire day before claiming. Just because I didn't instantly claim, doesn't mean the claim is fake. Quote the game and post please
It was the prot game. I'm pretty sure you played too. I watched DropBear visit a kill and held off claiming to wait and see what he did.
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On September 28 2011 06:38 kitaman27 wrote:
This lynch is nowhere near decided with all the lurkers sitting back and watching.
This much i can at least agree on, Its amazing that even after 3 modkills there are still people lurking around lynch time.
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On September 28 2011 06:37 kitaman27 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 28 2011 06:29 GreYMisT wrote:
As far as I understand his claim, He is not compulsive, he can just shoot if certain criteria are met. I think it is possible he is SK, its just other than his role, nothing he has done has seemed SKish. He is lying. He has no requirements. Do you think its really a coincidence he won't ever reveal them? Is it really a coincidence that he just happened to get a bulletproof role and survive the shot? It is really a coincidence that he just happened to have a kp when he got tracked? The claim was far too convenient. Fine, even if he has requirements, do you really think there is a bulletproof player in the game who can shoot? It's just so unreasonable. Yes, other than his role he has done everything that makes him seem skish. On day two, he 100% supports igrok after his third party claim. He makes a specific reference to the assassin game, talking about how its always a waste to lynch third party. He was keeping around igrok because it meant that iGrok would always get lynched before him. Shooting radfield is 100% in line with a sk agenda. Not only does it give him town cred as third party, it also removes the player that is most capable of leading a lynch against him.
You're kidding me lol. Why would I want iGrok around if he's an SK? SK's can't win with other SKs. Now you're spinning Radfield, a mafia, as SK agenda when it's a TOWN AGENDA to kill scum.
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