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wherebugsgo
Japan10647 Posts
I'm here, I just have around 15-20 pages to read. | ||
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
Toad, the fact of the matter is that I acted rashly and did NOT check my role. I assumed about the day-kill command. I know you're disappointed about how stupid I am, but the fact of the matter is that it was a really REALLY stupid move on my part. I've endangered myself and weakened town as a result. But all is not lost. If everyone votes for me for mayor, I can fix what I've screwed up 1 step at a time...starting with flipping CC to show that he's scum, thereby shedding a little light on what kind of person is presently voting for BC. With this information, we'll have a GREAT starting point for tomorrow. Assuming I'm way off-base and CC is town (lol) then at the VERY least, we can get a DT check on BC which is going to be EXTREMELY helpful in the days to come if/when he masons others in town. Guys, I implore you - allow me to make up for my retardation. Vote VE for Mayor! | ||
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Protactinium
Canada550 Posts
On January 13 2012 22:46 Macpo wrote: hi everyone! /confirm. I am a complete noob in this game, so please be forgiving to my small mistakes here and there! I'll try to share my views on this first day. Sorry if it's a bit clumsy, I am doing my best. 1. concerning the mayor election, I don't know if it's a usual thing, but I feel it's a bad idea to have too many people running for the election... in a sense, this mess is already a success for the mafia, isn't it? So, I would suggest that the persons who don't seem to be so concerned with it just stop running for the election, so that we have only a few candidates left. It doesn't mean there will be more or less scums among the left candidates, but at least, we can look more closely to who they are and clarify things. But maybe that's a bad idea! about who could be a good mayor, I am not so sure right now.(how difficult is it to ground any judgment at the moment!  ) I think the main thing is to keep in mind that whoever we elect, we are absolutely not sure of who he really is, even if we convincingly voted for him after some reasonable discussion.So let me give my two cents (not worth more!). I have to say I appreciated the candidacy of Mr Wriggles  , who has a clear argumentation and is pleasant to read. Not talking too much, making clear logical points. The only thing I am afraid of is that it may be a trick. Also, the Foolishness Bill murray candidacy sounds too big to be mafia-ish. There are claiming their "alliance" too loud, it would be way too risky for them if they were mafia, as everyone focuses on them. So, paradoxically, I would trust them more (or Bill Murray more precisely) as mayor. So I guess I will vote either Mr Wriggles, or Bill Murray; Mr Wriggles being more rational and precise in his analysis (but maybe it's a game) while Bill Murray is more a safety choice (with our very limited information, I feel it's rational to assume that he can't be mafia). But these are only very limited hypotheses and assumptions. How do you guys feel about that? I am also kind of sad that Echelon tee didn't apply, as I feel I share most of his analyses up to now . except for foolishness maybe. 2. Reading the whole 5 pages of debate, I noticed a few things. First is Cyber_cheese. What's the point of attacking Mr Wriggles from the beginning? that doesn't help for town cohesion at all (even more if it's a "joke"). it just looks like he wants to create a mess. Other people seem to have similar concerns with him, so maybe this is something worth discussing alltogether. So what do you think? Cyber, if maybe, could you say a word about this? To make it clear, it's merely an impression, I don't want to focus too much on you either. In a sense, Cyber is obviously not the only one. I feel that there are many useless agressive posts all around. So how do you guys feel about that? For instance, lthe ast one between Wherebugsgo and palmar, (as Toadesstern remarked): What's the point of being aggressive like that if you are town? Correct me if I am wrong, but I see no other reason for such a behaviour than one of them at least being scum. At the same time WBG's analysis sounds convincing for the moment. Others in similar situations would be nisani for instance. But maybe I am missing things here... Feel free to criticize my analysis, I am here to improve! and all my apologies to the misaccused persons , but from what I read in various guides, we have to go through this to find out real mafia... Macpo Notice how Macpo begins and ends his post with excuses, apologies, and emphasis on learning. His excuses and apologies function to say that he is useless and shouldn't be listened to. Not to mention, the actual content of his posts is in the middle. Why would he do this? It basically functions like this: he emphasizes his noobiness, which encourages you to ignore everything that he is going to say. And after he says it, he again emphasizes his noobiness, encouraging you to ignore everything he just said. He has no interest in having his voice count. Why would a townie want to do this? If you wanted to learn and participate in the game, you wouldn't want to be ignored. You wouldn't emphasize your uselessness, and would instead attempt to participate in the game. People may correct you, but if you haven't done anything wrong, why apologize? All the excuses and apologies do is make people ignore you. And if you look at Macpo's posts, its something he does quite well. In future posts, Macpo is ignored, and he pops up twice just to answer accusations to himself (while still apologizing). If you are really interested in learning, you wouldn't apologize when you've done nothing wrong, which is exactly what a mafia would want to do. Mafia inherently feel guilty, and see suspicion when there is none directed toward them. just a short question : how are you so sure that palmar is scum? palmar sounded a bit agressive, but saying he is easy to read? (I am not asking this with an agressive suspicious tone, just trying to figure things out) Notice how he ends his question with an excuse. Why is he so afraid of people thinking he is asking in an aggressive suspicious tone? Why is he so scared that people would think he actually holds an opinion? Macpo continues to cover up any potential suspicion on him before it even happens, which is something only mafia do. Even in his last post he states To those complaining about me being rational, it's getting obvious that they prefer random one line crap to argumentation. I'll answer back when they'll meet my standards. Nobody ever complains about Macpo being rational, but even so, why would you even deem this worthy of a response? All this statement does is "you dont meet my standards, i'll respond when you do". A completely different attitude from his first posts "I'm newb, i may be a bit clumsy, tell me if im doing anything wrong". He goes from a submissive "i am inferior to you" to suddenly thinking he has the license to ignore people because they don't meet his standards. Quite bold for someone who claims to be a newbie, don't you think? Macpo overemphasizes his newbieness, offers no real opinions, jarringly disconnected from the events that are happening in thread. Lets save BC for later and just lynch this guy. | ||
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
On January 15 2012 09:28 VisceraEyes wrote: [...] Toad, the fact of the matter is that I acted rashly and did NOT check my role. I assumed about the day-kill command. I know you're disappointed about how stupid I am, but the fact of the matter is that it was a really REALLY stupid move on my part. I've endangered myself and weakened town as a result. [...]! I don't take that for a reason. I can think of 3 possible reasons right now. 1 of them is being red and since it's best for you to not talk about it in all 3 scenarios I'm ok with it. However I won't vote you and I don't want anyone else voting you because I still think you lied for whatever reason. So that explains why I posted what I posted. I don't see think it has to be a red move yet, but I don't want you to be our mayor. Do you know who you're going to vote for? I'd also like to know who you'd lynch if you had to lynch someone else than CC and (perhaps?) Palmar. | ||
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Protactinium
Canada550 Posts
On January 15 2012 09:13 Macpo wrote: I haven't been able to post my scum tells last post, here they are. Basically, I think we kind of neglect all these players, who are basically hiding. I am not saying this 100% scums; some of them are probably really not here. but I also think it's more than 20% scum in there, we should keep this in mind: - Refallen 2 empty posts. - Munk-E 1 empty post. - Brownbear 4 posts, 4lines. - d3_crescentia 3 posts 3 lines. - igabod 4 posts 4 lines. - rtgICEMAN 4 posts, and no clear position. - Maxella 2 posts. Please guys, really get into it and help town; as now you are just very embarrassingly hiding. Until you convincingly do, you are all my favorite scums tells. Also, while going through the filters, I saw the remarkable case of Jayjay, one poster, 10%of the whole thread. and to be honest, only crap in it; far from any rational standard . This annoys me, so I put him on my scummy list. We really need to have more rational stuff to clarify things. like REALLY. Oh icing on the cake! You don't really think that these players who have posted almost nothing have given "scum tells" do you? Either way, if they did, you certainly are not clarifying for us. Providing a list without any additional insight? Check. Suggesting its more than 20% scum in here without any evidence? Check. Ironically, he bolds two statements that contradict each other. Thinking there's more than 20% scum there is not remotely rational. Few # of posts does not indicate that people are hiding. Providing an empty list while passing it off as a contribution is though. | ||
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evantrees
Canada497 Posts
QUOTE]On January 15 2012 04:38 VisceraEyes wrote: What the actual fuck?![/QUOTE] at the modkill + attempted day vig bit late but anyways. On January 15 2012 07:26 supersoft wrote: and one question, is it correct that Jitsu, BC, sandroba and matthew claimed mason already? ~OpZ~ not sandroba otherwise correct, bc masoned sandroba OpZ masoned bc jitsu masoned VE mattchew masoned foolishness according to whats been said at least. Doubt I typed anything useful going through this mess but I will check. | ||
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wherebugsgo
Japan10647 Posts
this game is stupid. Mafia are leading us all in every which way and none of you have yet to realize it. In fact, I'll bet a lot of money that at least 8 out of 10 of them are literally doing nothing while one or two are doing the majority of the posting. The two players that have stood out to me most today as scummy are opz and Palmar. I think they need to die. Protactinium changing from BC to macpo after Foolishness says he's suspicious of macpo is incredibly suspicious. IMO Protactinium is probably scum too, mostly because I don't actually see how Macpo is anything other than a noob, and the timing of the suspicion change is in itself suspicious. We also very obviously have a lot of masons, which makes stuff like this: On January 15 2012 06:20 Palmar wrote: I think this game is infested with masons and jacks, and I think the sooner we realize this, the sooner we can actually start getting something done. useless filler. On January 15 2012 06:56 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Also wtf is up with the triple vote on WBG? That look suspicious as hell and I'm not going near that with a 10 foot pole. I don't know what that was about, but imagine how stupid it would be if I was scum. I'm pretty sure it was just coincidental. I don't know the alignments of the players who voted me, but I personally don't find it suspicious, just coincidental. At this point I'm pretty far from winning (I think, I only have 4 votes? and BC and Protact should have more from what I saw in the thread) and no one seems to agree that Palmar needs to get lynched. Which is, honestly, depressing. It probably means whoever gets elected into office will lynch some noob who ends up flipping town, and then we find out nothing about the alignment of the elected official. Foolishness: If you are here, I would like to hear your opinion on Palmar and also on who you think we should lynch. Is it Macpo? If so, why are you pushing such a new player despite the fact that plenty of other players have played similarly to him? Why are you concerned with a player who is potentially much harder to read than the dozens of veterans in this game? | ||
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Protactinium
Canada550 Posts
If so, why are you pushing such a new player despite the fact that plenty of other players have played similarly to him? I'm not Foolishness, but the bolded statement is false. Nobody else has overemphasized their newbiness in an attempt to hide in their first 3 posts. Macpo is the obvious lynch at the moment. This is a textbook example of mafia. See: Misder from Ver's TL Mafia XXX Guide | ||
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bumatlarge
United States4567 Posts
Glad L is around, I don't think it was too late for anyone to start running for mayor since the votes are fairly spread out. I honestly like where protactinum is coming from with his latest posts, and would like to see BC flip. He has gotten alot of votes from thin air :X, especially after Incog had already given his in depth analysis before most of the votes. Protact's surge of votes seems unsurprising, so I definetly want him in a mayoral position. @Protact - What will you do if BC becomes sheriff and you become mayor? I'm assuming you'll lynch someone who voted for him, or ciryandor, your previous lynch? Who is macpo lol? Also, lol at VE. I'm would vote for you bro, if you were close to the leader. I'm assuming you would lynch CC? | ||
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bumatlarge
United States4567 Posts
On January 15 2012 10:00 Protactinium wrote: I'm not Foolishness, but the bolded statement is false. Nobody else has overemphasized their newbiness in an attempt to hide in their first 3 posts. Macpo is the obvious lynch at the moment. This is a textbook example of mafia. See: Misder from Ver's TL Mafia XXX Guide Oh, would you vote macpo over BC given the choice? | ||
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Lanaia
Canada1142 Posts
On January 15 2012 07:06 Kurumi wrote: fml Kenpachi has been marked for death! WTF is this. Is this real? I haven't seen anything saying otherwise yet, but... On January 15 2012 07:20 L wrote: I really like me too, but this line is very strange. How exactly did I 'redeem' myself and why would asking someone who just tried to shoot someone if they're going to shoot that person when their shot is available be a tell either way? I guess I just thought it was weird. You redeemed yourself by explaining. I was writing my post as I was reading the thread so I didn't think to take out stuff that was stupid/no longer super-relevant. WBG, I agree with the lynching Palmar thing, but I'm wary of voting you. I feel like I should be moving my vote only out of paranoia, but at this moment, there are only two people I'd vote and neither of them would win the election this close to deadline anyways. I still think BC is town, but there's so much fuckery going on in the thread I doubt we're going to get much out of it until tomorrow at the earliest. I know I haven't posted much, but RL is sometimes hard. Maybe that's why we still haven't heard from some people at all. I'll be back before nightfall. | ||
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
On January 15 2012 10:02 bumatlarge wrote: How to distract Bum101: Post links to other games. Seriously spent 1/2 hour readinf BC's posts in PYP3. That was a fun game. Glad L is around, I don't think it was too late for anyone to start running for mayor since the votes are fairly spread out. I honestly like where protactinum is coming from with his latest posts, and would like to see BC flip. He has gotten alot of votes from thin air :X, especially after Incog had already given his in depth analysis before most of the votes. Protact's surge of votes seems unsurprising, so I definetly want him in a mayoral position. @Protact - What will you do if BC becomes sheriff and you become mayor? I'm assuming you'll lynch someone who voted for him, or ciryandor, your previous lynch? Who is macpo lol? Also, lol at VE. I'm would vote for you bro, if you were close to the leader. I'm assuming you would lynch CC? Ya dude he's scumtastic. Have you had a chance to take a look? Everyone else is ignoring me because of my dumbassery | ||
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Protactinium
Canada550 Posts
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bumatlarge
United States4567 Posts
On January 15 2012 10:07 VisceraEyes wrote: Ya dude he's scumtastic. Have you had a chance to take a look? Everyone else is ignoring me because of my dumbassery I was gonna lynch him too. Protact, can you give your thoughts on Cybercheese? I like your reasoning for macpo, but he seems like a lot weaker then CC. I'm sure you'd get mayor then | ||
p4NDemik
United States13896 Posts
Anyways its due time to be voting for mayor and I'm going to throw in my vote for Protactinium. For reasons very similar to Sheth's I'm happy to vote for someone who isn't distracting town with this discussion about masons, isn't idiotically outing himself, or had his initial candidacy proposed by someone other than himself. He seems focused on getting mafia and that's what I want in a mayor. | ||
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wherebugsgo
Japan10647 Posts
Who are you looking at voting for? I don't particularly care for getting elected. All I care about is scum dying. So far I don't think macpo is scum and none of the other candidates have come up with anything promising. So, that means the only option to get Palmar lynched is to elect me in to office. (this is suboptimal, for reasons I won't explicitly explain) | ||
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bumatlarge
United States4567 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + On January 14 2012 12:10 bumatlarge wrote: He immediately posts a campaign, and from where I'm standing, it was a run for the chance. Denying mayor or sheriff is huge for scum, so I believe it's worth it to have as many scum run as possible. I think that's the syptom this game has come down with. I did agree with his lynch a candidate, but it was so fleeting, it doesn't seem like a prospect he was intending to be on the other end of after suggesting it. His posts jump around from topic to topic, and I hate questions that aren't intended to lead somewhere solid. Cyber_cheese is a major offender. Posting as town has direction and intention. Compare this to wiggles post. What is the point of wiggles post? Obvious. What is the point of Cyber_Cheese's post? Not obvious at all. Intention, Wiggles>answers, Cheese>Distraction. I'm not going to play this out politically, but if you want to oust cyber, vote me and that's what I will do. End of story. | ||
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
On January 15 2012 10:14 wherebugsgo wrote: Lanaia, if you agree with lynching Palmar can you explain why you don't want me elected? Who are you looking at voting for? I don't particularly care for getting elected. All I care about is scum dying. So far I don't think macpo is scum and none of the other candidates have come up with anything promising. So, that means the only option to get Palmar lynched is to elect me in to office. (this is suboptimal, for reasons I won't explicitly explain) you think sandroba is town? | ||
blahz0r
3030 Posts
On January 14 2012 02:47 Protactinium wrote: What does this post do? Ciryandor does not attempt to clarify his earlier position or attempt to bring us into mutual understanding. Instead, he mockingly attempts to discredit me by misrepresenting my statement and reframing it in a way that paints him in a favorable light. I never say that I want to lynch him for having an opinion, I called bullshit on his statement that Mr. Wiggles has the best campaign. Seriously, if you really believe what you said, tell us why you thought Mr. Wiggles had the best campaign. Furthermore, Ciryandor initially states that: While Ciryandor says that he wants to hear good reasons for Wiggles/Cyber_Cheese running, he makes no attempt to draw out information from Wiggles even though it is clear that they are both online (they are both posting until page 24). Instead, he loosely dismisses my accusations as well as GGQ's, and proceeds to babble nonsense about Foolishness and Bill Murray. Ciryandor is twisting my words. Ciryandor is bullshitting that Wiggles has the best campaign. Ciryandor shows no further interest in extracting information about Wiggles' campaign despite claiming he wanted good reasons. Ciryandor continues to babble on about useless topics (Bill Murray) after giving a strange reaction to my/GGQ's accusations. I've noticed that a lot of players are omitting my campaign for mayor in their lists of people running for mayor. But I'm not trolling. I am seriously running for mayor on the platform of lynching Ciryandor. I noticed that also. What about this Ciryandor, have you forgotten about him or is he not as important at the moment? He hasn't posted much after you wanted to lynch him if you were elected. On January 14 2012 20:02 Macpo wrote: It's getting clear that Bill Murray is the way to go. Mr Wiggles, a good town, but he just doesn't want to be on the stage too much, so I guess the mayor role doesn't suit him very well. BC: way too unclear and risky for me; he is trying too much stuff, going for a thousand contradictory stuff, taking back what he said and so on. Bill has shown a lot of presence, and has made reasonable analyses, plus he is not afraid. That's enough for me up to now, I think we won't have better than that. To those complaining about me being rational, it's getting obvious that they prefer random one line crap to argumentation. I'll answer back when they'll meet my standards. Also, I changed my mind on Cybercheese, as he opened my eyes on the the BC case. To bill: some people here have NOT posted yet at all!! I feel fine about lynching sandroba, as he acts quite scummy, but I suggest that if you are elected, you lynch someone who has not talked yet. statistics we'll be that it is mafia. Following what you posted, I feel that I cannot trust Bill Murray anymore. | ||
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