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On August 05 2011 10:15 kitaman27 wrote:@Meapak, dunno, maybe you for your irrelevant mentioning of the building layout, which promotes discussion without contribution? Anyone pop out to you yet? Now to be completely hypocritical and discuss the puzzles: This was an image in the night zero post and seems to possibly have something to do with a leviathan: Sigil of BaphometShow nested quote +In Satanism, according to the author of The Satanic Bible, Anton Szandor LaVey, Leviathan represents the element of Water and the direction of West. The element of Water in Satanism is associated with life and creation, and may be represented by a Chalice during ritual. In The Satanic Bible, Leviathan is listed as one of the Four Crown Princes of Hell. This association was inspired by the demonic hierarchy from The Book of the Sacred Magic of Abra-Melin the Mage. The Church of Satan uses the Hebrew letters at each of the points of the Sigil of Baphomet to represent Leviathan. Starting from the lowest point of the pentagram, and reading counter-clockwise, the word reads "לִוְיָתָן". Translated, this is (LVIThN) Leviathan. It could also have something to do with Envy. I'm not exactly sure what is being asked.
Fair enough, you're consistent with what you pick for. As for me, no one has screamed scum to me so if forced to vote right now I'd go for curu just to eliminate someone who's playing anti town.
As for the leviathan clue, I've already come across the biblical stuff, in fact I already sent in my answer which, since I haven't got a response yet, I assume is wrong. My question for the thread is, should I tell you guys what I wrote? It could be a double edged sword, town would know not to pick it but mafia would be warned off as well.
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Hey Curu this isn't the D&D game you're GMing, this is a mafia game. For the love of god stop and actually play the game the way it was meant to be played.
Meapak, my room was pretty creepy, but the items in it are more important, no? I have an item, the use and purpose of which i will not disclose at the moment, which i can either use or give to somebody else, a puzzle which i can send a solution in for instead of using/giving away my item, and a table. The table does nothing, as far as I know, but it might have something to do with the puzzle, i'm not sure. It's just a table, but it was set off in italics, so it's bound to be important.
Are you interested in the puzzle itself?
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The second puzzle in the day post has something to do with the combination of a safe. Is there a possibility that LEVIATHAN translates into a number? Just putting out ideas. Syllo what was the answer to the first one?
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Clues for puzzles do NOT extend beyond the exact description of the puzzle themselves.
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Curu drew back surprised at the sudden vehemence from the prissy coward Frenchman Varpulis.
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On August 05 2011 11:10 Curu wrote:
Curu drew back surprised at the sudden vehemence from the prissy coward Frenchman Varpulis.
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On August 05 2011 10:57 Varpulis wrote:
Hey Curu this isn't the D&D game you're DMing, this is a mafia game. For the love of god stop and actually play the game the way it was meant to be played.
Not sure how i made that mistake, but my point still stands. If the lynch was in 5 minutes I'd lynch Curu, because he's playing anti-town.
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On August 05 2011 11:10 Curu wrote:
Curu drew back surprised at the sudden vehemence from the prissy coward Frenchman Varpulis.
Oh come on. Don't call people prissy, cowards, or Frenchmen when they aren't from France. I don't care if you are trying to be funny.
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I got an item. Im gonna hang on to mine. I wish I could PM DOCH About it DAY 1. VETS SHOULD KNOW WHAT IM SAYING RIGHT? WINK WINK. STFU.
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haha am I the only one who finds curu funny?
Anyway as for actual scum hunting. I still think most likely the scum team is some sort of cult and they used n0 to recruit. Most 11-12 man games have 2 scum so I would guess there is 1 cult leader and they recruited 1 person last night. So I ask myself who is most likely to have been recruited last night? If I were the cult leader I would A) recruit a good veteran and B) recruit someone if they had gotten any town cred. So looking at those factors I would have recruited Meapak. Meapak is a good player and is one of the most experienced players. Also Meapak responded to red's question with he had good intentions. I think all the townies know that in their initial pm it said that Your intentions are good.
Unless some more solid evidence comes up right now Meapak seems the most likely scum to me.
Vote: Meapak_Ziphh
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Mig, that's not scumhunting. That's theorycrafting about the setup and then saying that because meapak is a vet and a good player, he's mafia.
There is NO proof that the mafia is any type of cult.
Saying "cult would have recruited Meapak for x y z" is WifoM.
Come back with evidence that he's mafia based on behavioral analysis, not a random theory.
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Do you have anything more solid so far varp? It is easy to bash my idea while providing nothing yourself. So tell me where my logic is wrong and who is scummier so far?
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Curu. His play is in no way contributing to creating a good town environment or finding scum, and he is unresponsive and mocking of requests to play seriously.
I'd like to see trotske post more.
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@Varpulis: can we hear more about your puzzle? If it helps the town then maybe we can all try and solve it. Of course if it would hurt the town or help the mafia just say so and I'll drop it.
@Coag: I hear you brother.
@Mig: That's a bunch of speculation and WIFOM. Leaving the setup speculation aside I'll address your A and B: A)Bumatlarge, Amber, Kita, and Coag are all equally if not more experienced than me so I'm not the best pick there, B) everyone received the same PM (as you pointed out) so we're all equal in terms of town credit.
@lurkers, get in here and talk bitches. Especially Palmar, are you still trying to recruit people... bro?
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Side note people way way over use wifom. Using logical deduction to come to a conclusion is not wifom. My case against meapak could be wrong but it is not wifom.
Do you think it is more likely for curu to troll at the start of a game as town or mafia? I certainly agree he is not helping town right now but I think in general mafia are going to be more hesitant to make people mad at them right away. If he continues it could be another story. If you do think he is scummy for this what do you think about palmar's fake cult?
So right now if I had to pick between curu's trolling, syllo's figuring out the puzzle too quickly and claiming it or my conclusion about who would be picked by a possible cult leader, I like my case against meapak the best.
Meapak I agree there are several other good candidates but you were the only one who fit the veteran criteria and had the extra town cred. I don't think we can know that everyone necessarily received the same pm with the good intentions on it but that confirmed you to everyone who did.
Also I am curious to hear what you think about there being a possible cult. Do you believe this is the most likely how the scum team was formed or do you favor another possibility?
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On August 05 2011 14:21 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
@Varpulis: can we hear more about your puzzle? If it helps the town then maybe we can all try and solve it. Of course if it would hurt the town or help the mafia just say so and I'll drop it.
@Coag: I hear you brother.
@Mig: That's a bunch of speculation and WIFOM. Leaving the setup speculation aside I'll address your A and B: A)Bumatlarge, Amber, Kita, and Coag are all equally if not more experienced than me so I'm not the best pick there, B) everyone received the same PM (as you pointed out) so we're all equal in terms of town credit.
@lurkers, get in here and talk bitches. Especially Palmar, are you still trying to recruit people... bro?
I have no idea what the reward for solving the puzzle will be. All I know is that it will be something helpful. Given that I'm town aligned, helpful for me should equal helpful for everybody, so i don't mind sharing. This is the puzzle, in its entirety:
PLACE THEM \ LEFT TO RIGHT
THE MAN BORN I
THE FALLEN KING OF BABYLON II
THE LIGHT III
THE END IV
THE MORNING STAR V
THE STAGE VI
In italics on the line under the puzzle is the sentence There is a table in the room...
I've had no luck in solving it, but i haven't given it that much thought.
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@Mig your argument against me is a "logical deduction" that could be made about several players.
Anyway moving on to the setup, I'm not discounting there being a recruiter, what I'm saying is that at this point it's pure speculation to try and figure out who was converted if there was even a conversion (which we don't know). Going back to your argument against me, that's your reasoning for picking a player if you were the recruiter. If I was a recruiter I'd have a different set of guidelines and probably everybody in the game would pick someone different.
That being said, if there is a recruiter we have a huge strategic problem because there is no such thing as a confirmed townie. I'll grant you picking protown people is a very good strategy because it strikes the double blow of discord and the loss of a strong player.
I guess I haven't properly answered your question yet. I think it's probably limited recruitment. In a game this size it would be extremely hard for town to win against a scum team that can recruit every night. If you add in nks the town losses people way faster than they can kill scum. This is all speculation though which I feel really has no point :/ How much do you want me to speculate? I mean I could start guessing on how many times they can recruit or what nights they can recruit...
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That's fine meapak. I mainly feel a cult is most likely from the OP and then the fact that there was a night 0. I didn't have anything to do night 0, did any other townies? If no townies had things they could do n0 then there must have been a reason mafia needed it.
Anyway for varp's puzzle The fallen king of babylon and the morning star are both names for lucifer/satan right? So maybe it is a 6 letter puzzle where each answer represents a letter?
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