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Kenpachi
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States9908 Posts
August 03 2011 14:36 GMT
#381
Mig isn't scum this game, i can tell. (I was his scumbuddy in RTM) I can't provide any reasoning, but its highly probably hes town.

THAT BEING SAID, i want to kill JeeJee. For the same reason above up there in this page. But apparently, we have to kill Varpulis first.
Nada's body is South Korea's greatest weapon.
Kenpachi
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States9908 Posts
August 03 2011 14:36 GMT
#382
FUCK I mean on Page 19.
Nada's body is South Korea's greatest weapon.
Kenpachi
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States9908 Posts
August 03 2011 14:36 GMT
#383
##vote Varpulis
Nada's body is South Korea's greatest weapon.
Kurumi
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Poland6130 Posts
August 03 2011 16:13 GMT
#384
I'd like to inform You that failure to vote is equal to modkill. I won't tolerate missing votes! There are no exceptions!
I work alone. // Visit TL Mafia subforum!
OriginalName
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Canada1140 Posts
August 03 2011 16:26 GMT
#385
Im staying on Varpu right now, I dont like the prospect of a massive shift because BC had 2 posts saying so. In all honesty Varpu himself is lurking almost as bad Drazerk is.

I dont see how people are saying we shouldnt lynch active players as hes quite clearly not being very active.
BloodyC0bbler
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
Canada7876 Posts
August 03 2011 16:32 GMT
#386
On August 04 2011 01:26 OriginalName wrote:
Im staying on Varpu right now, I dont like the prospect of a massive shift because BC had 2 posts saying so. In all honesty Varpu himself is lurking almost as bad Drazerk is.

I dont see how people are saying we shouldnt lynch active players as hes quite clearly not being very active.


As I have just mentioned on IRC. Varp was insanely easily bandwagon'd and lucidity had the looks of an easy bandwagon. I am usually wary of people voting for someone with very little information to go on.

Factoring in that I know draz has been around TL but just not posting made him look like a safer inactive choice.

However, what massive shift are you talking about? The 2 votes currently on draz? Varp still has the majority and no one has made a strong enough case to create a vote shift large enough to overtake that at the moment.

Care to explain this "massive shift" you are talking about.
#3 Member of the Chill Fanclub / Rhaegar fought nobly. Rhaegar fought valiantly. Rhaegar fought honorably. And Rhaeger died. --Ser Jorah Mormont TL MAFIA FORUM http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31 go go !
Curu
Profile Joined March 2010
Canada2817 Posts
August 03 2011 16:44 GMT
#387
Varpulis is currently on pace to be modkilled.

Consider letting him die because of that and finding someone else to hit with the lynch, we have a few hours.
wat
TheAwesomeAll
Profile Joined January 2011
Netherlands1609 Posts
August 03 2011 16:47 GMT
#388
if varp gets modkilled lucid will get lynched.
dr Helvetica <3
Mig
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
United States4714 Posts
August 03 2011 16:49 GMT
#389
I think Varp is still the best lynch candidate. Varp is on summer vacation right now so he doesn't have school and because of this he told us he was going to be very active. Instead once the bandwagon was started on him he pretty much disappeared. Varp in my experience seems the type who is willing to fight hard about his innocence. In mafia XXXIX townies not defending themselves pretty much cost us the game. Post game here is his comment on that subject.

On May 30 2011 12:37 Varpulis wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 30 2011 12:33 chaos13 wrote:
On May 30 2011 12:30 Mig wrote:

Also please for the love of god if you are town defend yourself. Do not just disappear and do not vote for yourself.


This, so much.

QFFT.

Why is there an extra F? because it stands for Quoted For Fucking Truth.

If it's early game and it's bad evidence, let it slide if nobody paid attention to it. If you're the leading lynch, especially if you're blue, try to convince everybody of that. Argue incessantly. Do what kita did, pretty much. he played town better than elm/ABO did.


So it just seems out of character for Varp to disappear like this instead of fighting to survive if he were innocent.
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OriginalName
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Canada1140 Posts
August 03 2011 16:55 GMT
#390
On August 04 2011 01:32 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 04 2011 01:26 OriginalName wrote:
Im staying on Varpu right now, I dont like the prospect of a massive shift because BC had 2 posts saying so. In all honesty Varpu himself is lurking almost as bad Drazerk is.

I dont see how people are saying we shouldnt lynch active players as hes quite clearly not being very active.


As I have just mentioned on IRC. Varp was insanely easily bandwagon'd and lucidity had the looks of an easy bandwagon. I am usually wary of people voting for someone with very little information to go on.

Factoring in that I know draz has been around TL but just not posting made him look like a safer inactive choice.

However, what massive shift are you talking about? The 2 votes currently on draz? Varp still has the majority and no one has made a strong enough case to create a vote shift large enough to overtake that at the moment.

Care to explain this "massive shift" you are talking about.


Key word there was PROSPECT. If some of us start moving something tells me more and more will.
Curu
Profile Joined March 2010
Canada2817 Posts
August 03 2011 16:58 GMT
#391
Unless he comes here in a bit, Varp is dead anyways. We're wasting our lynch here if we keep it on him when he gets modkilled (or it might go to the person with the next highest votes getting lynched) so we should at least plan something around the possibility he gets modkilled.
wat
Lucidity
Profile Joined July 2010
South Africa603 Posts
August 03 2011 16:58 GMT
#392
On August 04 2011 01:44 Curu wrote:
Varpulis is currently on pace to be modkilled.

Consider letting him die because of that and finding someone else to hit with the lynch, we have a few hours.

Is there some benefit to the town that this double lynch would accomplish that I'm missing?
Valar Morghulis
Curu
Profile Joined March 2010
Canada2817 Posts
August 03 2011 16:59 GMT
#393
lol you realize you're probably going to die if Varp gets modkilled? You're the one with the next most votes.
wat
Lucidity
Profile Joined July 2010
South Africa603 Posts
August 03 2011 17:05 GMT
#394
Well let's wait for Kurumi to clarify what will happen first.
Valar Morghulis
Varpulis
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States2517 Posts
August 03 2011 17:11 GMT
#395
I'm not planning on getting modkilled. I honestly don't see how Drazerk is scum, so I won't be voting for him. Lucidity has the next highest amount of votes next to me, and Is looking pretty scummy in my opinion. Vote's on him, because I'd rather not get lynched.

##vote Ludidity
For he is the Oystermeister, lord of all the oysters.
Curu
Profile Joined March 2010
Canada2817 Posts
August 03 2011 17:17 GMT
#396
That's a terrible defense, basically you want Lucidity to die because you want to save yourself.

Do you actually think he's scummy? Why not tell us who you think is most scummy?
wat
TheAwesomeAll
Profile Joined January 2011
Netherlands1609 Posts
August 03 2011 17:18 GMT
#397
why is the amount of votes on a person a reason? rather vote on real scum like jeejee.
dr Helvetica <3
TheAwesomeAll
Profile Joined January 2011
Netherlands1609 Posts
August 03 2011 18:34 GMT
#398
Ok JeeJee, since you are probably not going to get lynched im going to hit you tonight. Unless you can convince me of your own innocence, and someone else's scummyness (yes im trigger happy)
dr Helvetica <3
BloodyC0bbler
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
Canada7876 Posts
August 03 2011 18:34 GMT
#399
shinbi had no scum leanings, then in 10 hours without posting serious reasons he sheeps onto something I say to try and force a bandwagon on a player? Not only that, rather than push said bandwagon with any conviction, he makes his move then vanishes from the thread completely since.

As such, until he reappears to explain his actions I am throwing my vote there.

vote jeejee
#3 Member of the Chill Fanclub / Rhaegar fought nobly. Rhaegar fought valiantly. Rhaegar fought honorably. And Rhaeger died. --Ser Jorah Mormont TL MAFIA FORUM http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31 go go !
Munk-E
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States672 Posts
August 03 2011 18:53 GMT
#400
K here's mig's portfolio analyzed.

I agree with san's plan. The main benefits of the double lynch are 1) extra information right away. 2) everyone can claim to a confirmed townie so that townie can organize the blues for n1.

And forcing all the blues to claim to the day vig puts the mafia in a shitty situation. Either A) they can not claim at all to him and then he can direct the other vigs to just shoot into the much smaller pool of vanilla townies or B) they can risk trying to claim blue roles and outing themselves because the # of roles is suspicious, for example if 3 vets claimed.


Killing for "Information" is just plain stupid. That's saying a random lynch is a good idea! 1 night of well organized night actions is not worth it at all. I have stated my ideas on this plan before, and to me it seems the only people for it would be scum, or, frankly, dumb people. The mafia would all claim scout, because it would be to risky to claim anything else. and after night 1, no one knows each other's roles again. He can't pm them to all the other blues, just IN CASE one of the mafia did claim a blue role. Enough about that though. He also says then to shoot at the smaller batch because there would be about 16 people which is less. So great, we take a 20% chance of hitting a mafia followed immediately by a MAXIMUM of a 25% chance. by the end of night 1 we'd be likely 4 townies down depending on our lynch.


On August 02 2011 23:52 Mig wrote:
Varpulis looks the most scummy to me so far.

Initially in IRC he was extremely against sandroba's plan.
Show nested quote +

[14:31] <Varpulis> 24 hours in? no no no no.
[14:32] <youngminii> i've got a solution: shoot bc AND sand
[14:32] <syllogism> 24h isnt enough but otherwise it's not awful
[14:32] <Varpulis> wait until day 2 at the least.
[14:33] <Varpulis> how often does the day 1 lynch hit scum? not so often. A day 1 double lynch is a HORRIBLE idea


However once he posts in the thread his opinion goes from strong to neutral and wishy washy. His posts contributed nothing and were extremely bland/common advice.

Along with that he completely misinterprets trotske's post here to cast a very weak Fos on him.

Show nested quote +
On August 02 2011 09:56 Varpulis wrote:
On August 02 2011 09:46 Trotske wrote:
If you use the sniper as a second lynch but don't have him claim until he is out of kills he can't get taken out until he is just a normal townie.

And since the sniper would be acting on the towns behalf it would show you who was pushing really hard for the vig shot on a townie. and let you reexamine what the townie who got shot had said because he was now a confirmed townie.

Wait wait wait

You're promoting the a plan where vigs just shoot without claiming, and kill townies for information.

FoS.


So basically this game Varp has promised some pro town ideas while not actually contributing anything to the town. Has strong opinions in IRC when people aren't around but is afraid to take a strong stance in the thread. And instead of making a real case against anyone he casts a very weak suspicion on trotske with poor reasoning.

##Vote Varpulis



Here mig votes for varp for being wishy washy. That might be fine except he's against him for saying the plan where we take a random shot without knowing is bad. obviously this is bad, and he uses this quote to accuse him? I don't see why he would unless he's trying to put pressure on him for being against this plan! It doesn't make sense to me, and frankly seems scummy.

JeeJee you are correct on this point but what exactly does pointing it out contribute? You have 2 posts and both of them while correct are bland and useless. You commented on pressure votes and neglected to comment on whether you actually thought varp was scummy or not.

Who do you think is scum? What do you think about the 2 leading candidates varp/red?

He seems VERY eager to get everyone's opinion on everyone, he PMed me asking my opinion on chaos and varp, to which i responded blandly and generically. It seems to me like he is trying to find out who's most likely to be lynched in the future so he can defend them if necessary. I don't see why a townie would need to know everyone's opinion on everyone.


On a side note I find it strange when people say they aren't suspicious of anyone, I am not sure if it makes you scummy or lazy town. Mafia is a game where everyone is guilty until proven innocent. 3 pages in and I can find reasons to suspect half the town.

So even with all your experience JeeJee you can't find anyone who stands out as scummy so far? Really?


He seems to be trying to pressure G.G. here. Not to accuse him of potentially being scum, but to try to get his opinion on people. He seems like his only here to find out our opinions on each other! The only reasons I can think of for this would be to start a civil war between townies or try to manipulate votes. Both seem very scummy.


I have a pretty simple defense. People should actually read my posts. Where have I backed down after putting pressure on people? What mafia objectives have I pushed? Look at the questions I asked varp and JeeJee. Was I trying to slander them or cast suspicion on them to look like I was fake contributing? Or was I asking legitimate questions that the town should be asking.

The town has almost no activity and I am actively trying to get people to post in IRC. What a scummy thing for me to do! I have pmd half the people in town asking them for their opinions. And I have no problem with giving my opinions on people. No one has to force me to contribute.

So just ask yourself if my play is helping the town or helping mafia. If you think I am helping mafia feel free to lynch me.

I have more posts than almost anyone in the thread lol? Including writing the most coherent case against Varp. Find someone who has made a stronger case than that in this thread.


Maybe this I didn't read the rules, but I'm pretty sure high post count =/= town. This is your only defense so far and it's not legitimate at all. I don't see why activity is a "town" thing to do. and why lurking is a mafia thing really, especially if being a lurker makes them suspected as being mafia. (Meta, huh?) Anyway, i might vote for him depending on if i think lucidity is more scummy or not.

(P.S. Saying "If you think I am helping mafia feel free to lynch me." is more of an invitation than a defense.)
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