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youngminii
Australia7514 Posts
On August 03 2011 12:42 JeeJee wrote: actually screw it let's get the ball rolling. anyone disagree with drazerk as a candidate? i disagree this is what i read from bc "stop calling me out for not posting when the thread is inactive as fuck ... ... drazerk is probably scum because he's inactive" lolwut | ||
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syllogism
Finland5948 Posts
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Barundar
Denmark1582 Posts
The purpose of the question is to figure out if mafia can fake a vigi+veteran combo, be considered confirmed town, and proceed to abuse the suggested plan. It's good thinking and doesn't say anything of his alignment as such. The problem is he asks the question, and then keeps it's significance to himself. As I see it a townie who got the idea would proceed to warn the town about it, not keep it to himself. | ||
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TheAwesomeAll
Netherlands1609 Posts
On August 03 2011 12:30 JeeJee wrote: looks like cobbles picked up on the same thing i have. what particularly irks me about drazerk today is that he has been posting in the other mafia thread on his usual time of 5-10kst +/-1hr so he has been reading this thread as well. but he declined to weigh in, leaving his vote as-is (essentially throwaway). didnt even answer a simple "how are you" =( usually when people say 'lurking is a scumtell', i disagree because they clump 'afk' and 'lurk' as interchangeable. afking means nothing as far as i'm concerned, just look at ace in snmm5. lurking (ie being there but not speaking) a la drazerk is a different story. still not voting, but i'll be here before the deadline tomorrow, no worries. 1) drazerks lurks so hes scum 2) i dont want to commit with my vote, i do it dead line style (so i can hop that infamous day1 bandwagon last second) 3) did i mention im still not voting, i didnt commit anything here, please dont notice me On August 03 2011 12:42 JeeJee wrote: actually screw it let's get the ball rolling. anyone disagree with drazerk as a candidate? 4) lol? (opinions are dangerous) ##vote JeeJee | ||
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DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
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DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
" Day 1 with the little discussion overall we have had and the options, I would rather remove someone who isn't contributing positively but avoiding the modkill and being replaced by a player who would actually play." Does this sort of play fit his town meta as well? I was just looking at the most recent numbered normal game so I'm not sure. | ||
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DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
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youngminii
Australia7514 Posts
Nothing is concrete though. | ||
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chaos13
Canada885 Posts
On August 02 2011 08:41 Drazerk wrote: ##Vote RedFF Opposing sand's plan with no real reasons while defending himself like a mad man in IRC when he has no real reason to defend himself yet. This is the post in which he initially accused redFF. Note the complete lack of actual evidence. It was until his suspect actually encouraged him to post the irc log that he did so, and that arrived almost 20 minutes after this quoted post. Then, as you all know, he completely disappeared while posting actively elsewhere on the site. Let's lynch ourselves a scum day 1. ##Vote: Drazerk | ||
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chaos13
Canada885 Posts
On August 03 2011 21:09 youngminii wrote: I'm sticking to Varp. If he flips scum then BC/JeeJee should be looked at for a weird chainsaw defence. The attack on Drazerk was a bit unnecessary and looks as if they wanted to shift attention away from Varp without attacking Lucidity. Mentioned this on IRC already but might as well post it here too. Nothing is concrete though. This is quite possible, and Varp is looking really really bad right about now. On a scum scale I would put Varp and Drazerk at the same level, but there is one difference: Varp is relatively active, whereas Drazerk has managed to come across as scum in 4 posts and then vanished completely. Varp tomorrow, or maybe a vig hit on him tonight. Today I feel better voting for Draz | ||
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Curu
Canada2817 Posts
On August 03 2011 19:47 Barundar wrote: I'm suspicious of curu because of this question and answer: The purpose of the question is to figure out if mafia can fake a vigi+veteran combo, be considered confirmed town, and proceed to abuse the suggested plan. It's good thinking and doesn't say anything of his alignment as such. The problem is he asks the question, and then keeps it's significance to himself. As I see it a townie who got the idea would proceed to warn the town about it, not keep it to himself. I asked this because when we were discussing the plan in Skype someone mentioned we should get a Vig and Vet to both claim so we can confirm without anyone dying. I pointed out the flaw that Mafia could fake both, then asked Kurumi that question to confirm to them it would be a bad idea. Mig/Syllo can confirm this for me. If I were Mafia I would just be tunneling a mislynch to death right now and no one would think I was doing anything wrong. I was sure supersoft and BC were scum in the two previous games and I was wrong both times. My first instinct was entirely to tunnel DrH to oblivion; he says Mig is the scummiest player in the thread, goes on to vote Syllo instead, says Syllo is scummy for arguing on Mig's side, yet somehow calls redFF the most Pro Town player in the thread (lol?) and that he listens to OriginalName. As of now I don't like Varpulis (mostly because of the "I post to appear active not scumhunt"), JeeJee (lurker style and hasn't posted anything new), Munk-E, and somewhat youngminii. Why Munk-E? His first post was a completely useless wall of text repeating what everyone else said in the thread. Seeming to contribute without contributing anything. I called him out for it, and he got on IRC and just parroted DrH and youngminii in saying Mig was scummy. Then he posts a post-by-post wall of text on Varpulis instead, which basically said what everyone else had already said too. youngminii because he tunneled RoL for flimsy reasons in AA as scum and did nothing else, this game he's tunneling Mig for flimsy reasons. RoL and Mig are both players that scum would obviously fear, and a day 1 Mig lynch/Vig shot makes no sense because if he hasn't found scum by Day 2 that's a huge scumtell. His meta and trackrecord (nailing all scum in WaW2, AA, and one in PTP) are great for Town and terrible for scum. | ||
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youngminii
Australia7514 Posts
On August 03 2011 21:21 Curu wrote: youngminii because he tunneled RoL for flimsy reasons in AA as scum and did nothing else, this game he's tunneling Mig for flimsy reasons. RoL and Mig are both players that scum would obviously fear, and a day 1 Mig lynch/Vig shot makes no sense because if he hasn't found scum by Day 2 that's a huge scumtell. His meta and trackrecord (nailing all scum in WaW2, AA, and one in PTP) are great for Town and terrible for scum. Bad reasoning. I basically tunnel people in every game I play, scum or not. Besides, one of my reasons for Mig being scum is along the lines of "he's a great player but he's playing shitty this game". Someone pointed out that it's too early to tell and if Mig is town then he'll catch a lot of scum, which I immediately agreed to and unvoted. I feel bad for Mig, what a shitty meta. The guy who always kills scum, and is scum if he doesn't. | ||
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Curu
Canada2817 Posts
Another note on Varpulis, he posted an analysis on redFF that used pretty much the exact same words and reasoning as something I brainstormed on Skype, so if he flips red then certainly someone in my Skype circle is also red. There's the chance that we just saw the exact same thing but I don't think it that likely since a lot of what I was saying came from IRC and I don't think he was even in there at the time (but I don't remember exactly). | ||
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DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
I don't know how many games you've played Curu, or played with me, but if you look at my meta this is how I play. I change my mind a lot and I have a problem with stating my opinion right away before I settle on something which makes me look really wishy washy. I need to be less impulsive and post less, new players always think I'm scum. But we need to understand changing your mind is NOT a scumtell at all. I just have a haphazard way of posting I guess, it isn't helpful and I need to clean it up. youngminii tunnels stupid shit as town too and while I think he has decent reasons to suspect mig, using a lynch/dayvig shot on mig would be a terrible idea which I never supported. But this fits both of his metas, strongly. I think mig would make a good DT check and I think in this game the DT's are better off checking the dangerous players unless they have a strong hunch (BC/mig/myself/etc) since the godfather role is randomly assigned. | ||
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chaos13
Canada885 Posts
I'm not a fan of Munk-E either. Remember earlier when he promised to post some analysis on more players? Still haven't seen it. If we had more time I would make a case against him for today, but there is no point bringing in another suspect this late in the day. | ||
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DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
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redFF
United States3910 Posts
On August 02 2011 07:32 Drazerk wrote: While a good thread presence is needed I still think you can do most of the legwork in IRC / PM. My only issue will be if people just vote for no reason and say - IRC discussion. If your going to vote / spout accusations you make all your posts clear in thread and don't use PMs as an easy method to bandwagon. Anyone who is scared of PMing / joining in IRC discussion should be put under the spot light it is actually one of our greatest tools as town and avoiding them gives scum a huge advantage. Also I agree with Sand's plan. The sooner we have confirmed town players the better. Notice the bold. On August 02 2011 08:41 Drazerk wrote: ##Vote RedFF Opposing sand's plan with no real reasons while defending himself like a mad man in IRC when he has no real reason to defend himself yet. LOLWUT. My only issue will be if people just vote for no reason and say - IRC discussion. If your going to vote / spout accusations you make all your posts clear in thread and don't use PMs as an easy method to bandwagon. Massive contradiction within first 2 posts of the game... That said, I find BC's post scummy too On August 03 2011 11:32 BloodyC0bbler wrote: At the moment I am not feeling either Varp lynch or the lucidity lynch. Factor in both at the moment are being more active than most players in the game, I would be more inclined to at least let them live another cycle. I however don't like when players come in to hop on bandwagons or attempt to start them then vanish. It irks me completely. As such, until Drazerk comes back into the thread to at least play / explain his inactivity I suggest we move our lynch to him. I would rather lynch someone appearing scummy / useless than someone who is being linked as scummy and is active. Their activity will help clear / damn them whereas inactivity doesn't give us dick all to work with. He's not giving real reasons why he doesn't like the Varp or Lucid lynch, just vague like they are kind of active. Then he just that we move our lynch to Drazerk, because he's lurking/useless. Once again no real reasoning. The most damning thing here tho imo is that he hasn't even voted for Drazerk, yet subtly started a bandwagon on him that 2 people have now jumped on and voted him. This makes me anxious of BC because it's exactly the kind of thing mafia would do. FOS | ||
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syllogism
Finland5948 Posts
##vote Varpulis | ||
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Trotske
410 Posts
On August 03 2011 22:05 DoctorHelvetica wrote: I wouldn't mind a DT on munk-e or heist. Heist is the inactive player that sits wrongly with me but that all depends on how varpulis flips. His attack on trotske screamed "chainsaw" to me. I didn't really agree too much with the points he had made either, they were fairly weak. Heist actually had a good point when he went after me becasue what I posted was stupid had I known that snipers only have one day shot. I'm moving my vote to Varp. I really don't understand why a townie would need to prove their activity. | ||
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DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
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