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On July 22 2011 12:16 VisceraEyes wrote:
*shrugs* Half of town hasn't even showed up yet. We'll see who looks scummier when they have. At this point, I'm CERTAIN of Ace's alignment because he's so fucking good at this game and I'm Town...he'd be able to tell that even if he DIDN'T have more information to start.
uh...being good at this game doesn't mean I can figure out everyone's alignment. Even on my best days it would take me a while to "get it" and at best probably get Scum lynched no more than 50% of the time.
You misrepresenting what I've said though makes me inclined to believe that you are indeed Scum. I'm just not pushing your lynch seriously because other players haven't chimed in yet.
Besides, I've got another idea in the back of my mind depending on what happens with this Random Lynch stuff.
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lol what? You need to read more.
I'm not voting you because you disagreed with me, I'm voting you because you are seeing things that aren't there aka misrepresenting my position on the issue. You have noticed that you are not the only person that has disagreed with me correct?
Dragon isn't even on my train, more so he's chilling at the boarding station deciding whether or not to buy a ticket to WinvVille with me.
But why so sketchy bro?
He hasn't even placed a vote on you
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On July 22 2011 12:33 Jacinto wrote:Show nested quote +[B]On July 22 2011 12:17 Ace wrote:[/B
Relative to a setup with no power roles? Isn't that self explanatory?
Maybe this will clear it up:
I'm operating under the assumption that we are in a setup with Vanilla Town vs some combination of Mafia so we don't have to rely on Power Roles. However if one does pop up then we narrow down the setup possibilities.
Does that help? Actually, I realized you probably misunderstood my post. What i was wondering is: In what way would we be in a better position d2, in the medic only setup, if we RL d1 and kill a townie?
Not much better if the medic doesn't save someone Night 1. Of course this is ignoring everything else going in regards to the RL discussion. We'd still have no idea what setup we'd be in and down a Townie.
Just to further my point though: I'm in the game assuming "worst case scenario" is where we start - that being all Vanilla vs 3 scum.
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On July 22 2011 12:45 Jacinto wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2011 12:37 Ace wrote:
Not much better if the medic doesn't save someone Night 1. Of course this is ignoring everything else going in regards to the RL discussion. We'd still have no idea what setup we'd be in and down a Townie.
Yeah, that's what i mean. RL could be an option, since we've actuelly got 25% chance to gain from it(assuming we lynch a townie, which is likely that we will), but only as last resort. But I understand you're no longer(and maybe have never been) for a straight up RL.
never have been, I've got more in the pot I'm just waiting on more people to post. If we do go with a RL it won't be straight up that's for sure.
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Even if it did, if I was Mafia what do you think my answer would be?
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Right, so obviously the answer would be "No" no matter my alignment - agreed?
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You can ask them. I have no "known meta" though aside from following a few policy lynches almost exclusively afaik.
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@Palmar:
You and VE have an amazing knack for making stuff up.
List the people who comprise "half the town" that I've convinced.
@Jacinto: He never said it was better not to scumhunt than to RL. Other than that I think you've got a decent case saying DR22 isn't really showing a strong stance.
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On July 23 2011 00:08 Palmar wrote:How the fuck have you played 100 games? have you been playing for years? Anyway Show nested quote +On July 22 2011 12:03 DragonReborn422 wrote:On July 22 2011 11:59 Trotske wrote:On July 22 2011 11:54 DragonReborn422 wrote:On July 22 2011 11:49 Trotske wrote:On July 22 2011 11:43 DragonReborn422 wrote:
You're missing the point of my argument Viscera. I don't care if we do a random lynch or not. I found it strange that you protest it making you look scummy. That is all. Perhaps our chances of hitting the mafia is more than 25% perhaps not. Again, I don't care a lick about the lynch. I'm pointing out that you are trying to helpful to the inexperienced whereas you're actually not. Could you point out the flaws in his reasoning? It seems to me that your posts have been more useless than his by bashing what he has to say and not supporting it at all other than saying "It has worked before" and not giving and evidence. I haven't bashed anyone. What are you talking about? His reasoning is that the town can do better than a random lynch on day 1 and we should not random lynch. I don't care if we do a random lynch or not. Maybe THIS town CAN do better than a random lynch on day1. It could also DO worse than a random lynch on day1. I HAVE NO WAY OF KNOWING WHICH. I am pointing out that he appears helpful by saying that oh yea we can analayze and talk and discuss and we have a better chance of finding a mafia on day1. I think this looks pretty cool to the casual observer as yea...he sounds intelligent and useful...whereas in reality....we really don't know how good this town is. If we have a terrible town maybe we should just keeping randoming!! How can the town do worse than a RL day1. I'm not sure if that's a serious question. But I'll bite. We can be led down the wrong path by inexperienced townspeople or experienced mafia players or the combination of both and easily have wagons on only townspeople. With the mafia members knowing whos who, they have an advantage on day 1 to control the wagons more. This makes it look like you're perfectly fine with RL. That's a terrible idea and you should know it. And yes, I call out anyone who acts stupidly for acting stupidly.
##vote Palmar
Guys, listen up. This is such a ridiculous post, part of many that Palmar has made that should be looked at seriously.
Hold your biases for a second, stop and re-read the thread from the start of the game. You'll notice Palmar has been trying to undermine myself and DR22 on this Random Lynch issue. Not only did he put words in our mouths to make up stuff that wasn't said but he's even taking it a step further and now acting like "The Town" has decided Random Lynching is bad, and is thus Scummy if you support it.
Since when did we ever decide that Random Lynching is a Scum move?.
We never did. Even worse, how could he take that stance (deciding that "The Town" has made RL scummy) when he posted this:
On July 22 2011 18:34 Palmar wrote:
lol, I can see why people say you're good Ace, you somehow convinced half the thread that a random lynch on day 1 is a good idea?
How is it that I could have convinced half the thread that a Random Lynch is a good idea, but within the same day you also have stated that the Town has decided otherwise? Like here:
On July 22 2011 23:29 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2011 23:15 DragonReborn422 wrote:On July 22 2011 21:26 Palmar wrote:
your mother.
But it's still interesting.
Ace proposes terrible plan, Jacinto and VE don't like it, DragonReborn actually likes it. Like.. would scum actually take the chance? The lynch isn't really 25% chance because the mafia can co-ordinate their votes, if they so please, so I think what DragonReborn did was stupid, but probably not scummy. what exactly did i do that is stupid oh god of mafia? You agreed with ace's plan. From town perspective it doesn't make any sense, as judging by the sample of games I've played town has more like 50%+ chance of hitting mafia on day one, so if you're town, you should by logic never agree to this plan.
Not only is he speaking for the Town, but now he is throwing out some falsities. The town doesn't have a "more than 50% chance" of hitting Mafia on Day 1 in any game of Mafia unless the game is broken. This is such an utterly stupid and absurd statement I don't know how anyone who has ever played a game of Mafia hasn't called him out on it.
This quoted post is also another in a long line of Palmar misrepresenting DR's position. As DR asked him:
On July 22 2011 23:57 DragonReborn422 wrote:
@Palmar
I've agreed to Ace's plan. Where? Please show me a post that DIRECTLY states we should random lynch.
To which Palmar has no response. The same as he can't list who I've convinced to RL.
This is typical newbie Scum play. Like I said, just re-read the thread from scratch. There is no way that someone that is BLINDLY tunneling, not even reading other player's posts and purposely misrepresenting their position is likely Town. That's just so many blatant bad moves that he should be lynched.
So once again, ## vote Palmar.
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/facepalm
I'm just gonna go to sleep.
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How many hours until deadline and what is the vote count?
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You guys should drop your votes on DR22. There isn't a good case against him and Palmar is a far more detrimental player to the Town.
Then again my last post about reading the thread got ignored so I'm not even surprised it's come to this.
Can anyone show me an actual good case against DR22?
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detrimental to town = you being Scum.
And once again, here you go stretching things to your definition of what you want to appear.
What flimsy evidence have I defended DR22? The case against him is weaker than the case against you. How can you even dare say he isn't committing to his Scum reads when VE has already accused like 4 people?
It's funny because if you read DR22's posts it's perfectly possible to see that when he listed his Town reads, he could have easily leaned towards taking back his Scum reads and going for a lurker.
Of course you somehow didn't see this - but thats because you aren't reading the thread. I don't know DR22's alignment (lol stop trying to plant your little bugs, it's cute but your efforts are so transparent) but I do know the case for lynching him is weak, especially with your Scummy play so far.
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Of course he was Innocent. Pants on Head logic going on here. I'm actually not even going to try hard this game. I'll be content to sit back assuming I live Night 1, and play like the rest of you and not read the thread.
Being new to Mafia doesn't give you an excuse not to know how to READ.
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I actually just got home. But it really didn't matter anyway.
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On July 31 2011 03:31 syllogism wrote:
I like how everyone ignored Ace even when he utterly predictably flipped town
np man, just a few more names added to the list of players I won't play a game they are in
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