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Foolishness
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On July 26 2011 20:51 DropBear wrote: In fact, what makes Lanaia and redFF good lynches? Well right now my choices are between lynching based on flavor text, lynching a guy who's only suspicious because he can't stay Calm, and a policy lynch. Might as well just flip a coin.
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...... That isn't going to convince me to get behind you.
You didn't answer my question about Wiggles. Why are you so sure he is SK?
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Foolishness
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dammit EBWOP
On July 26 2011 21:00 DropBear wrote: ...... That isn't going to convince me to get behind you.
You didn't answer my question about Wiggles. Why are you so sure he is SK? Why not? I randomly picked a person who's relatively inactive and someone who's half trolling and has barely posted anything longer than 3 lines. That's just like you right? You randomly picked between flavor text lynch, policy lynch, and anger lynch right? I mean your reasoning for your vote made a Nice bloodstain on my wall. Perhaps you can refresh my memory on why BC needs to die?
I'm going to vote for the troll now, redFF. Should be obvious when you click the filter button what I mean.
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Foolishness
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dammit I did not mean to do that
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Foolishness
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EBWOP:
dammit I did not mean to do that THIS SHIT IS Bogus
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On July 26 2011 13:57 Amber[LighT] wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2011 13:28 redFF wrote:On July 26 2011 06:14 supersoft wrote:On July 26 2011 06:05 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On July 26 2011 06:03 Mr. Wiggles wrote:On July 26 2011 05:56 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On July 26 2011 05:51 Mr. Wiggles wrote:On July 26 2011 05:44 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On July 26 2011 05:40 Mr. Wiggles wrote:On July 26 2011 05:33 BloodyC0bbler wrote: [quote]
Check the bolded part. In almost every case of someone asking or begging for a dt check they are town or covered role. Most people do this to confirm themselves and thus starting a blue circle that can rofl stomp mafia. It is very common practice for people to want to be cleared as to move through a game with 0 harassment from anyone. No mafia would willingly throw himself up for a dt check as it would screw him in the end. You say no townie would want it used on them, but that would again, leave you a pool of 0 people to check. you are then down to the idea of "we want you checked you let yourself get checked or lynched" which is a horrible way to play.
Seriously, you all are talking about role use being the huge factor in catching people. I now say, everyone go back read pick your power 3 and realize playing lets analyze roles, or someones role means they are legit, etc.... and realize roles do not say shit about the players alignment. Who cares if SS's check is an alignment check if you don't know his alignment. Have a watcher/tracker check him. If he visits anyone at night at this point in time he is mafia. have a dt check him. Dt's could breadcrumb results, or the like. Seriously, before a plan is proposed you sort it out, you make it ideal, you account for multiple situations. So far the only situation proposed by you lot is SS is likely town for shooting a red. Likely town does not mean town. What? So, instead of using a check, and just leaving it, until we have a second DT out themselves or breadcrumb and die, you're saying never use the check? Did I understand that correctly? Please tell me how what you're trying to say is optimal play. How is not having a check better than having one? The only situation proposed by you, is that we don't use the check at all. That's asking a claimed and outed DT to not check people or reveal his checks, until another DT checks him. In what world does that make sense? Ask yourself how you would play this out in a normal game. If a DT claimed, would you ask him to not check anyone until another DT checked him and claimed it? That sounds really dumb to me. In a normal game, on day 1, if someone claimed dt and said x was red, I would kill the dt first. Every time. In a setup where mafia, third parties, or town can be a dt, I will never trust the claimant ever on day 1. Nor should anyone else. Ok, so where's the part where we're trusting him by having him use a check on an agreed upon target? That's what I'm wondering about. You're saying that by letting him check, we're implicitly trusting him to be town, but that is not the case. We can let him sit in unconfirmed limbo for now, but why not use his check? It doesn't hurt us to use his check, the same way that killing the DT actually tells us whether the check is true or not. By giving him a check we give legitmacy over time to his supposed alignment. Say he is mafia, he checks kita, kita flips town, he gives us a town. That makes him look better as he complied to the check. Say both kita and SS are red, he says kita is town it still gives both a look of legitmacy. One for complying for the check. Its subtle and its insidious. Someone who is not confirmed you do not let slowly insinuate they are. Had you guys outlined you planned on trusting his check with a grain of salt I would be less worried than i am now. Of course we'd take it with a grain of salt, I'm taking everything in this game with a grain of salt, because if I trusted everything I read, I'd be pretty silly. That's also why I'm saying we can also check people who aren't major lynch targets yet, and then just ignore the results until someone else confirms SS, he gets shot by mafia, or we even flip him ourselves with a vig. Now I am seeing the first person with some sense -_-. Wiggles, go back and originally read the use of his role and you will see NO ONE advocated what you did just now. You will see it otherwise and should realize my discontent. What you just proposed is more cautious than everything else in relation to using his role to this point. hey bc, wanna check? Bc ignored this post. On July 26 2011 06:42 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On July 26 2011 06:38 Curu wrote: You don't know if he suffered his penalty or not Wiggles. It might just be he's roleblocked for tonight, who knows.
BC, would you submit to having supersoft check you? Nope. As much as being confirmed town benefits town as a whole, it gets me shot by third party / mafia or some asshole townie who thinks they are being a hero. Instead I will risk getting shot anyway, but the likelyhood of a third party shot or red goes down whereas the option of a townie shooting me is higher. Any med with half a brain will realize I have been trying to make people think and not be stupid and might protect me. Then posts this. K so if he inspects you you will be confirmed town, but increases the chance to be shot at by scum/blacks. Then you say that you would like medic protection, surely if you are confirmed town you are more likely to get medic protection? Quote supersoft so you can be alignment checked. If you keep ignoring this issue then i will get you lynched. Lol you want to force BC to be role checked which has NOTHING to do with the events of Day 1, YET Jackal [Harry Fucking Potter] gets to go without posting since the idea of having Dropbear claim. Once that happens Jackals posting completely stops. Weird huh?
Ya it is. Work happened. I had to go to Juarez Mexico to rescue one of our aircraft that was loaded with car parts and broken. It happens. That's part of my job. If I can't walk the flight crew through a fix I go and fix it for them. I just got back to the shop. I've been gone for about 20 hours. I'm going home to get some food and some sleep. If you want to lynch me for having a job feel free. Right now I don't really fucking care. BC and Amber are the two scummiest people in this game. But you all want to lynch me because ON flipped town. I had nothing to do with his role, his alignmen,t his death, or his flip but I'm fucking guilty because I thought I was preventing town from making a mistake. Lynch me. Don't care. Derps. I'll be back later.
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Foolishness
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Before I edited, the post looked like this, hopefully this is my Last mistake:
On July 26 2011 21:00 DropBear wrote: ...... That isn't going to convince me to get behind you.
You didn't answer my question about Wiggles. Why are you so sure he is SK? Why not? I randomly picked a person who's relatively inactive and someone who's half trolling and has barely posted anything longer than 3 lines. That's just like you right? You randomly picked between flavor text lynch, policy lynch, and anger lynch right? I mean your reasoning for your vote made a Nice bloodstain on my wall. Perhaps you can refresh my memory on why BC needs to die?
I'm going to vote for the troll now, redFF. Should be obvious when you click the filter button what I mean.
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Foolishness
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I am going to MurDeR someone when this game is over
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On July 26 2011 21:20 Foolishness wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2011 21:00 DropBear wrote: ...... That isn't going to convince me to get behind you.
You didn't answer my question about Wiggles. Why are you so sure he is SK? Why not? I randomly picked a person who's relatively inactive and someone who's half trolling and has barely posted anything longer than 3 lines. That's just like you right? You randomly picked between flavor text lynch, policy lynch, and anger lynch right? I mean your reasoning for your vote made a nice bloodstain on my wall. Perhaps you can refresh my memory on why BC needs to die? I'm going to vote for the troll now, redFF. Should be obvious when you click the filter button what I mean. I have said before that jackal, the flavour text lynch is a bad idea. It is interesting that he is disappeared but it isn't enough of a reason to lynch him. I don't know who you mean by the policy lynch and the anger lynch but I'm assuming BC is one of them.
I would like to kill BC for a few reasons.
- Firstly for trying to stop supersoft using a DT check. There is no reason to do this. - Second, because he is shitting up the thread, arguing wildly about something that isn't really that important. When he was my scumcoach for XVIII he advocated this as an underused and highly effective scum strategy. - Third, because he is strongly suggesting that supersoft could be Mafia which I now know is impossible. We used this argument of "he killed his scumbuddy to buy town cred" to get Palmar lynched over bumatlarge in PTP1. And it's a ridiculous argument.
If supersoft is also Mafia, then he had no need to kill Tackster. I was saying that supersoft killed him, he could have just gone "yeah sorry guys I suck and I used my ability and now Mafia knows who I am "
- Fourth because of his bizarre chainsaw defence of you early on which immediately set off alarm bells for me.
Additionally, if you want me to vote with you at any point in this game, why not show me some reasoning rather than casting insults?
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EBWOP, I was saying supersoft killed youngminii
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Foolishness
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On July 26 2011 21:41 DropBear wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2011 21:20 Foolishness wrote:On July 26 2011 21:00 DropBear wrote: ...... That isn't going to convince me to get behind you.
You didn't answer my question about Wiggles. Why are you so sure he is SK? Why not? I randomly picked a person who's relatively inactive and someone who's half trolling and has barely posted anything longer than 3 lines. That's just like you right? You randomly picked between flavor text lynch, policy lynch, and anger lynch right? I mean your reasoning for your vote made a nice bloodstain on my wall. Perhaps you can refresh my memory on why BC needs to die? I'm going to vote for the troll now, redFF. Should be obvious when you click the filter button what I mean. I have said before that jackal, the flavour text lynch is a bad idea. It is interesting that he is disappeared but it isn't enough of a reason to lynch him. I don't know who you mean by the policy lynch and the anger lynch but I'm assuming BC is one of them. I would like to kill BC for a few reasons. - Firstly for trying to stop supersoft using a DT check. There is no reason to do this. - Second, because he is shitting up the thread, arguing wildly about something that isn't really that important. When he was my scumcoach for XVIII he advocated this as an underused and highly effective scum strategy. - Third, because he is strongly suggesting that supersoft could be Mafia which I now know is impossible. We used this argument of "he killed his scumbuddy to buy town cred" to get Palmar lynched over bumatlarge in PTP1. And it's a ridiculous argument. If supersoft is also Mafia, then he had no need to kill Tackster. I was saying that supersoft killed him, he could have just gone "yeah sorry guys I suck and I used my ability and now Mafia knows who I am " - Fourth because of his bizarre chainsaw defence of you early on which immediately set off alarm bells for me. Additionally, if you want me to vote with you at any point in this game, why not show me some reasoning rather than casting insults? 1) When the result of the check shows up red and we lynch the person and they flip Green what are you going to do? Kill supersoft?
1a) He flips green. Great, we wasted 2 days minimum and did no scumhunting 1b) He flips red. This is fine since 1 for 1 trade.
When his results turn up green, are you going to kill that person to confirm? No cause that's just silly. So are you going to leave said person alone the rest of the game? If this was a normal game that'd be dandy but this is PTP. There could be framers, roleblockers, heck the mafia may have already converted supersoft to their team by now.
I am for the check but his reasons for not wanting to use it aren't an issue. Let me be clear: BC is worried about the town misusing the information (as am I, that's why I want a check on a random person instead), which is an all too common theme in mafia. His solution to the problem of "the town is going to misuse this information" is preventing the town from getting the information in the first place. Given the track record of the town so far I don't blame him. One mafia is already dead through stupidity why take the chance with a DT check in a game where people have bizarre roles when we can just analyze and let DT's do work later in the game.
And speaking of analyze, redFF is acting just like in BC's game where he flipped red. Make a lot of one liner troll posts, then a 2 paragraph post to try to blend in and/or justify his post, rinse and repeat. That's what he's doing this game too. BC can be held accountable in the near future if he disappears. If he survives this lynch then goes afk we auto lynch him easy. He knows that so no matter what his role is he'll be around. (On the same note, if Jackal continues being afk we should lynch him tomorrow as well.)
2) It's very important whether the check gets used and who it gets used on. I'm banking that one of the people arguing with BC is mafia for the exact reasons you stated.
3) fine, I wouldn't rule it out as impossible since this is PTP mafia, but Occam's Razor says he's town and that's good enough for me.
4) link or it didn't happen. Wait I know this didn't happen so don't bother.
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I'm up for lynching Lanaia, Redff or possibly Palmar. I concur with Foolishness' thoughts on BC; I find it quite unlikely he would act like this if he was mafia aligned as he must realize most of the town will immediately jump on him. Refusing to get checked is suspicious, but for now I'm not willing to lynch him based on just that. Palmar has been keeping quite a low profile so far, jumped on the easy and quite weak wagon and done little to no scum hunting so far, which is quite uncharacteristic of him.
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On July 26 2011 22:10 Foolishness wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2011 21:41 DropBear wrote:On July 26 2011 21:20 Foolishness wrote:On July 26 2011 21:00 DropBear wrote: ...... That isn't going to convince me to get behind you.
You didn't answer my question about Wiggles. Why are you so sure he is SK? Why not? I randomly picked a person who's relatively inactive and someone who's half trolling and has barely posted anything longer than 3 lines. That's just like you right? You randomly picked between flavor text lynch, policy lynch, and anger lynch right? I mean your reasoning for your vote made a nice bloodstain on my wall. Perhaps you can refresh my memory on why BC needs to die? I'm going to vote for the troll now, redFF. Should be obvious when you click the filter button what I mean. I have said before that jackal, the flavour text lynch is a bad idea. It is interesting that he is disappeared but it isn't enough of a reason to lynch him. I don't know who you mean by the policy lynch and the anger lynch but I'm assuming BC is one of them. I would like to kill BC for a few reasons. - Firstly for trying to stop supersoft using a DT check. There is no reason to do this. - Second, because he is shitting up the thread, arguing wildly about something that isn't really that important. When he was my scumcoach for XVIII he advocated this as an underused and highly effective scum strategy. - Third, because he is strongly suggesting that supersoft could be Mafia which I now know is impossible. We used this argument of "he killed his scumbuddy to buy town cred" to get Palmar lynched over bumatlarge in PTP1. And it's a ridiculous argument. If supersoft is also Mafia, then he had no need to kill Tackster. I was saying that supersoft killed him, he could have just gone "yeah sorry guys I suck and I used my ability and now Mafia knows who I am " - Fourth because of his bizarre chainsaw defence of you early on which immediately set off alarm bells for me. Additionally, if you want me to vote with you at any point in this game, why not show me some reasoning rather than casting insults? 1) When the result of the check shows up red and we lynch the person and they flip Green what are you going to do? Kill supersoft? 1a) He flips green. Great, we wasted 2 days minimum and did no scumhunting 1b) He flips red. This is fine since 1 for 1 trade. When his results turn up green, are you going to kill that person to confirm? No cause that's just silly. So are you going to leave said person alone the rest of the game? If this was a normal game that'd be dandy but this is PTP. There could be framers, roleblockers, heck the mafia may have already converted supersoft to their team by now. I am for the check but his reasons for not wanting to use it aren't an issue. Let me be clear: BC is worried about the town misusing the information (as am I, that's why I want a check on a random person instead), which is an all too common theme in mafia. His solution to the problem of "the town is going to misuse this information" is preventing the town from getting the information in the first place. Given the track record of the town so far I don't blame him. One mafia is already dead through stupidity why take the chance with a DT check in a game where people have bizarre roles when we can just analyze and let DT's do work later in the game. And speaking of analyze, redFF is acting just like in BC's game where he flipped red. Make a lot of one liner troll posts, then a 2 paragraph post to try to blend in and/or justify his post, rinse and repeat. That's what he's doing this game too. BC can be held accountable in the near future if he disappears. If he survives this lynch then goes afk we auto lynch him easy. He knows that so no matter what his role is he'll be around. (On the same note, if Jackal continues being afk we should lynch him tomorrow as well.) 2) It's very important whether the check gets used and who it gets used on. I'm banking that one of the people arguing with BC is mafia for the exact reasons you stated. 3) fine, I wouldn't rule it out as impossible since this is PTP mafia, but Occam's Razor says he's town and that's good enough for me. 4) link or it didn't happen. Wait I know this didn't happen so don't bother. 1. I am not going to kill supersoft. I am going to fight anyone who tries to get him killed. This whole paragraph you wrote there was kind of pointless.
If a supersoft check turns up green, why would you shoot them to confirm? I trust supersoft. I would leave them alone for the time being at least and revisit them later in the game.
Reasons for not wanting a check are a huge issue. Reasons for doing anything are important.
Why deny the information? Not only this, one Mafia is already dead through stupidity? The town's track record is really bad so early in the game? This almost sounds as though you are disappointed that Tackster is dead.
2. To echo Mig, is it important enough to have a 10 page argument about? He isn't actually following his big argument that we should be scumhunting. You admit that the mass argument about it is indeed a good Mafia strategy, yet refuse to entertain the possibility that BC is the Mafia among them. It must be one of the others and not him, right?
3. I'm glad we are in agreement on supersoft being town. BC isn't a noob, if you and I can make this connection he should be able to very easily do so as well. Yet he perpetuates the argument that it is a possibility, when it isn't.
4. This is what I'm talking about. It's a strange response to a question that wasn't in any way accusatory. Here's the link.
On July 25 2011 14:17 BloodyC0bbler wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2011 14:13 DropBear wrote: At the risk of being mauled by youngminii, is there a reason why Foolishness is using TLPD in all his posts so far? Any reason why you chose to rhyme in your last post? Prob a random accidental click of tlpd
Your hostility regarding this seemingly minor issue is a little strange Master Foolishness. As was his hostility in the original post. I do wonder about you now.
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Banks are so good. Blessing of Chezinu shall purify You! Also I am most certainly dead Night 2 At least we will net another scum, aye? Being old and experienced isn't as good as it would seem...
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On July 26 2011 21:26 Jackal58 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2011 13:57 Amber[LighT] wrote:On July 26 2011 13:28 redFF wrote:On July 26 2011 06:14 supersoft wrote:On July 26 2011 06:05 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On July 26 2011 06:03 Mr. Wiggles wrote:On July 26 2011 05:56 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On July 26 2011 05:51 Mr. Wiggles wrote:On July 26 2011 05:44 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On July 26 2011 05:40 Mr. Wiggles wrote: [quote]
What? So, instead of using a check, and just leaving it, until we have a second DT out themselves or breadcrumb and die, you're saying never use the check? Did I understand that correctly? Please tell me how what you're trying to say is optimal play. How is not having a check better than having one?
The only situation proposed by you, is that we don't use the check at all. That's asking a claimed and outed DT to not check people or reveal his checks, until another DT checks him. In what world does that make sense?
Ask yourself how you would play this out in a normal game. If a DT claimed, would you ask him to not check anyone until another DT checked him and claimed it? That sounds really dumb to me. In a normal game, on day 1, if someone claimed dt and said x was red, I would kill the dt first. Every time. In a setup where mafia, third parties, or town can be a dt, I will never trust the claimant ever on day 1. Nor should anyone else. Ok, so where's the part where we're trusting him by having him use a check on an agreed upon target? That's what I'm wondering about. You're saying that by letting him check, we're implicitly trusting him to be town, but that is not the case. We can let him sit in unconfirmed limbo for now, but why not use his check? It doesn't hurt us to use his check, the same way that killing the DT actually tells us whether the check is true or not. By giving him a check we give legitmacy over time to his supposed alignment. Say he is mafia, he checks kita, kita flips town, he gives us a town. That makes him look better as he complied to the check. Say both kita and SS are red, he says kita is town it still gives both a look of legitmacy. One for complying for the check. Its subtle and its insidious. Someone who is not confirmed you do not let slowly insinuate they are. Had you guys outlined you planned on trusting his check with a grain of salt I would be less worried than i am now. Of course we'd take it with a grain of salt, I'm taking everything in this game with a grain of salt, because if I trusted everything I read, I'd be pretty silly. That's also why I'm saying we can also check people who aren't major lynch targets yet, and then just ignore the results until someone else confirms SS, he gets shot by mafia, or we even flip him ourselves with a vig. Now I am seeing the first person with some sense -_-. Wiggles, go back and originally read the use of his role and you will see NO ONE advocated what you did just now. You will see it otherwise and should realize my discontent. What you just proposed is more cautious than everything else in relation to using his role to this point. hey bc, wanna check? Bc ignored this post. On July 26 2011 06:42 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On July 26 2011 06:38 Curu wrote: You don't know if he suffered his penalty or not Wiggles. It might just be he's roleblocked for tonight, who knows.
BC, would you submit to having supersoft check you? Nope. As much as being confirmed town benefits town as a whole, it gets me shot by third party / mafia or some asshole townie who thinks they are being a hero. Instead I will risk getting shot anyway, but the likelyhood of a third party shot or red goes down whereas the option of a townie shooting me is higher. Any med with half a brain will realize I have been trying to make people think and not be stupid and might protect me. Then posts this. K so if he inspects you you will be confirmed town, but increases the chance to be shot at by scum/blacks. Then you say that you would like medic protection, surely if you are confirmed town you are more likely to get medic protection? Quote supersoft so you can be alignment checked. If you keep ignoring this issue then i will get you lynched. Lol you want to force BC to be role checked which has NOTHING to do with the events of Day 1, YET Jackal [Harry Fucking Potter] gets to go without posting since the idea of having Dropbear claim. Once that happens Jackals posting completely stops. Weird huh? Ya it is. Work happened. I had to go to Juarez Mexico to rescue one of our aircraft that was loaded with car parts and broken. It happens. That's part of my job. If I can't walk the flight crew through a fix I go and fix it for them. I just got back to the shop. I've been gone for about 20 hours. I'm going home to get some food and some sleep. If you want to lynch me for having a job feel free. Right now I don't really fucking care. BC and Amber are the two scummiest people in this game. But you all want to lynch me because ON flipped town. I had nothing to do with his role, his alignmen,t his death, or his flip but I'm fucking guilty because I thought I was preventing town from making a mistake. Lynch me. Don't care. Derps. I'll be back later.
Scum.
Get checked by Supersoft or ask for a replacement if you're going to come back with excuses about work. I missed 2 lynches in AA because my work schedule doesn't allow me to post at 9 PM but at least I tried to justify every action I made [as scum too].
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BC do you suggest we no lynch today then? Since no one should be posting their suspicions or analysis until they are 100% sure someone is Mafia.
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haha BC, Amber and Jackal58 estabilisthed an OMGUS circle...
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Just stop arguing with BC guys, it's been 12-13 pages already, despite his protestations we are going to use the check, which is why we're basically just playing a waiting game for supersoft to come back now.
Syllo, this isn't a normal game, this is the real thing.
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By the way guys I have vote restriction So sorry for my votes
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On July 26 2011 23:04 Amber[LighT] wrote:Scum.
Get checked by Supersoft or ask for a replacement if you're going to come back with excuses about work. I missed 2 lynches in AA because my work schedule doesn't allow me to post at 9 PM but at least I tried to justify every action I made [as scum too]. Get over yourself. Why don't you get checked by SS. Your only reason for calling me scum is ON flipped town. Show me anything anywhere that I have posted that pushes a scum agienda. Show me. Link it, quote it. Don't care just show me. You have nothing but what you perceive as a free lynch. You push it without any reason at all. You just say scum. That's how scum play. You get checked scummy.
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