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On July 25 2011 21:25 Kurumi wrote: no I have a plan that's why I need votes and vig shot or something nice
This could be a ##Fistpound moment, this could be the beginning of the zombie invasion...
Votes and a vig shot... sounds like a win condition!
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On July 25 2011 14:46 Curu wrote: Actually lemme ask the man himself:
No picking plans I don't want this game to revolve around a super pre-defined picking strategy. If you want to ask for advice in the thread thats fine, but ultimately pick roles that you think would lead to a fun, interesting game.
This was in your OP, does this mean you expressly forbid people to collaborate together to make their roles?
As far as I know, no one collaborated on making roles.
On July 25 2011 14:52 chaos13 wrote: Decon, are you able to clarify whether these roles are made by players or made by you?
All roles were made by players. Myself and Eiii added flavour to some. We changed the name of one role. Apart from minor balance changes, all roles are pretty much the same as they were sent to us.
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Well assuming that's not just you playing dumb (there's obviously collaboration if both roles are correct), then there's something strange going on
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There are no alternative win conditions. You win with your alignment only. Anything that suggests otherwise in roles is just flavour.
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Anybody who isn't voting for Jackal is a moron. Anybody who wants to discuss the possibility of him being an SK instead of scum is also a moron. You're just debating Apples and Oranges. He is NOT pro-town. Voting Kitaman gives us nothing. Voting Jackal gets rid of the deathy hallows shit.
By the way this has been going the following people are getting FoSed for ignoring Jackals lie, and more importantly going against the LAL policy: -Sandroba -syllogism -Dropbear
Don't be stupid. A liar is in our midst. He is our best lynch candidate. DO NOT SPARE HIM FOR A "vigi hit." For all we know scum have a medic. Also if he is scum and he is a mason that makes him really dangerous. Guess who he's going to mason night 1? Probably the Mole. You guys want another mafia getting converted?
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On July 25 2011 22:29 Amber[LighT] wrote: Anybody who isn't voting for Jackal is a moron. Anybody who wants to discuss the possibility of him being an SK instead of scum is also a moron. You're just debating Apples and Oranges. He is NOT pro-town. Voting Kitaman gives us nothing. Voting Jackal gets rid of the deathy hallows shit.
By the way this has been going the following people are getting FoSed for ignoring Jackals lie, and more importantly going against the LAL policy: -Sandroba -syllogism -Dropbear
Don't be stupid. A liar is in our midst. He is our best lynch candidate. DO NOT SPARE HIM FOR A "vigi hit." For all we know scum have a medic. Also if he is scum and he is a mason that makes him really dangerous. Guess who he's going to mason night 1? Probably the Mole. You guys want another mafia getting converted? Is the lie you are referring to the part where his role PM suggests Voldemort isn't town? Because ON left out the part where his role PM says he is on a mission to kill Harry
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=10465120 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=10464768
What is the motivation for either lie? Why is deconduo saying there's no collaboration ("as far as he knows"; word games?) when there obviously is, unless they were both lying and ON's flip was faked
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What the hell syllo, is your theory now that deconduo is bastard modding?
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On July 25 2011 22:36 Palmar wrote: What the hell syllo, is your theory now that deconduo is bastard modding? Jackal posted his role PM and then ON stated his role PM is almost identical. Then we saw ON's flip, so if it's not fake that pretty much confirms both of the players have almost identical roles. That is collaboration or there is a role that can send people fake roles or something absurd.
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But then having these wands and cloaks around wouldn't make sense, so I'm lost
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I really don't see where he lied here. Can you somehow prove that he fake claimed? Voldemort disguised himself as a town does not mean he's not town aligned. I'm not saying I trust jackal, but he doesn't strike me as scum as much as kita does.
@syllo He's saying that the part he has to kill voldemort is flavor text only. It doesn't say "You win with town, but you have to kill voldemort".
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On July 25 2011 22:44 sandroba wrote: I really don't see where he lied here. Can you somehow prove that he fake claimed? Voldemort disguised himself as a town does not mean he's not town aligned. I'm not saying I trust jackal, but he doesn't strike me as scum as much as kita does.
@syllo He's saying that the part he has to kill voldemort is flavor text only. It doesn't say "You win with town, but you have to kill voldemort".
On July 25 2011 14:32 BloodyC0bbler wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2011 10:46 Jackal58 wrote:On July 25 2011 10:40 sandroba wrote: K ON, I'm giving you the stick. Claim your target before you use it. Please don't. Be aware-- Voldemort has disguised himself as a member of the town and is trying to collect the items. I'm Harry Potter. From: deconduo [ 2677 posts | Profile | Buddy | Report ] Subject: PTP2 Role Date: 7/25/11 08:50 "You are Harry Potter, and you are on a mission to unite the three Deathly Hallows. Be aware-- Voldemort has disguised himself as a member of the town and is trying to collect the items, same as you! Each item you or Voldemort obtain will grant the holder a power, but unfortunately you can only use one item per night. The Elder Wand - Allows you to shoot someone during the night. The Cloak of Invisibility - Allows you to survive a hit during the night The Resurrection Stone - Allows you to protect another player during the night. The problem is, you do not know where the items are! You suspect they may be in possession of other people in the town. Being muggles, they may not be aware of the magical properties of the items. In order to find the items, you have the ability to choose one correspondent every day. During the following night, and that night only, you can freely exchange PMs. But you cannot talk once the night has passed. If your correspondent happens to possess one of the items you seek, he may decide to give it to you by sending a PM to the hosts of the game. You must convince them to do so, however!" bolded part is the lie. ON was town, not disguised as it. Also ON had a clause in his role requiring him to kill HP. It seems very well, odd to have 2 townies fighting over the same items to get a power role and then have 1 having to kill the other while the other just wants the items? Why would town be required to kill town.
Re-read.
ON's role PM:
"You are Voldemort, and you are on a mission to kill Harry Potter and keep him from uniting the three Deathly Hallows. Each item you or Harry Potter obtain will grant the holder a power, but unfortunately you can only use one item per night.
The Elder Wand - Allows you to shoot someone during the night.
The Cloak of Invisibility - Allows you to survive a hit during the night
The Resurrection Stone - Allows you to protect another player during the night.
The problem is, you do not know where the items are! You suspect they may be in possession of other people in the town. Being muggles, they may not be aware of the magical properties of the items.
In order to find the items, you have the ability to choose one correspondent every day. During the following night, and that night only, you can freely exchange PMs. But you cannot talk once the night has passed. If your correspondent happens to possess one of the items you seek, he may decide to give it to you by sending a PM to the hosts of the game. You must convince them to do so, however!"
Notice what's missing?
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Jackals role PM most likely said "You are Harry potter, and you are on a mission to kill Voldemort and keep him from uniting the three Deathy Hallows." Instead it says: "You are Harry Potter, and you are on a mission to unite the three Deathly Hallows. Be aware-- Voldemort has disguised himself as a member of the town and is trying to collect the items, same as you!"
You see how he changed the initial sentence, but the same idea is still there?
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On July 25 2011 22:29 Amber[LighT] wrote: Anybody who isn't voting for Jackal is a moron. Anybody who wants to discuss the possibility of him being an SK instead of scum is also a moron. You're just debating Apples and Oranges. He is NOT pro-town. Voting Kitaman gives us nothing. Voting Jackal gets rid of the deathy hallows shit.
By the way this has been going the following people are getting FoSed for ignoring Jackals lie, and more importantly going against the LAL policy: -Sandroba -syllogism -Dropbear
Don't be stupid. A liar is in our midst. He is our best lynch candidate. DO NOT SPARE HIM FOR A "vigi hit." For all we know scum have a medic. Also if he is scum and he is a mason that makes him really dangerous. Guess who he's going to mason night 1? Probably the Mole. You guys want another mafia getting converted? What lie? Why not debate my possibility of being an SK? I'm not. I was in PTP1. What have I done that is not pro town? I have no control over the alignments Decon gave people. If you had my role and my alignment and then saw a person claiming to be Voldemort start off the game by demanding an item with KP wtf would you do? You'd do the same goddamned thing. I've already publicly stated I am not pursuing the deathly hallows items. I claimed in an attempt to keep town from making what appeared to me to be a huge mistake. I'm fucking sorry. Next time I think I see an SK or scum type getting KP for free I'll keep my mouth shut. So show me where I lied. Not where you "think" I lied. Not where you "assume" I lied. But show me and everybody else where I lied. And how are you so damned certain there is a mole? The last game had assassins in the OP but none in the game. We had 2 SKs but no assassins. We had a mole but that doesn't mean there is one in this game. But you seem rather certain that there is. Care to share his name Amber? Bark like the scummy dog you are.
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On July 25 2011 22:51 Amber[LighT] wrote: Jackals role PM most likely said "You are Harry potter, and you are on a mission to kill Voldemort and keep him from uniting the three Deathy Hallows." Instead it says: "You are Harry Potter, and you are on a mission to unite the three Deathly Hallows. Be aware-- Voldemort has disguised himself as a member of the town and is trying to collect the items, same as you!"
You see how he changed the initial sentence, but the same idea is still there? Bullshit. Keep inventing crap.
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On July 25 2011 22:36 Palmar wrote: What the hell syllo, is your theory now that deconduo is bastard modding? Mine is.
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Yes, I see the flavor is different. Afaik from harry potter (only read the first 2 books) voldemort wants to kill harry, while harry is just afraid of voldemort. I don't think this is enough to prove he's scum or town or anything. I see flavor text, that's all. Based on behaviour so far, I don't think jackal is the best lynch.
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I'm at work. Different computer. Same copy paste: From: deconduo [ 2685 posts | Profile | Buddy | Report ] Subject: PTP2 Role Date: 7/25/11 08:50 "You are Harry Potter, and you are on a mission to unite the three Deathly Hallows. Be aware-- Voldemort has disguised himself as a member of the town and is trying to collect the items, same as you! Each item you or Voldemort obtain will grant the holder a power, but unfortunately you can only use one item per night.
The Elder Wand - Allows you to shoot someone during the night.
The Cloak of Invisibility - Allows you to survive a hit during the night
The Resurrection Stone - Allows you to protect another player during the night.
The problem is, you do not know where the items are! You suspect they may be in possession of other people in the town. Being muggles, they may not be aware of the magical properties of the items.
In order to find the items, you have the ability to choose one correspondent every day. During the following night, and that night only, you can freely exchange PMs. But you cannot talk once the night has passed. If your correspondent happens to possess one of the items you seek, he may decide to give it to you by sending a PM to the hosts of the game. You must convince them to do so, however!"
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Alright jackal, that was pointless.
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On July 25 2011 22:57 sandroba wrote: Alright jackal, that was pointless. Ya in hindsight it was.
My alignment PM. From: Eiii [ 871 posts | Profile | Buddy | Report ] Subject: PTP 2 Date: 7/25/11 08:44 You are Town.
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