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On July 21 2011 17:59 ketomai wrote:
Like I just said, discussing traitors is a waste of time. They are actually good for us if the mafia don't know about them because the mafia actually has some targets other than SK that wouldn't be reducing town count.
i didnt discuss traitors whatsoever, im pretty sure you didnt read my posts.
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On July 21 2011 19:51 ketomai wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2011 19:44 Mig wrote:
Ok but what about the fact that RoL could be shot by the other 3rd parties and killed tonight? He is pretty much guaranteed 3rd party. So as long as he isnt Ras then the other 3rd parties will shoot and kill him. Yea good point. I guess he's forced to explain himself even if we don't go for him now. Hm yea, so in this case just revealing someone as SK puts them at huge risk, it doesn't even need action from us because they have a triangular relationship. If he is SK and SK's are active, then he's guaranteed to die tonight anyways. If he's ra, then joker will kill him, if he's batman then ra will, and if he's joker then batman will kill him. So regardless, he has to convince the other SK's he's not SK if he doesn't want to instantly die.
Joker can't kill Ra'as, unless I'm reading the OP wrong? Ra'as can only be lynched.
I'm actually very surprised that Mr Wiggles is still alive. I thought he was the most obvious choice for SKs to try their luck. He's still here though... Wouldn't that make him a prime suspect for Ra'as?
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yeah lol.
Let the 3rd parties deal with him
scenario a) Rol is joker, both batman and raas try to kill him, batman succeeds, we rid us of them all
scenario b) rol is batman, ra'as tries to kill him and succeeds, joker probably shoots at random. we rid us of 2 sks
scenario c) RoL is ra'as, batman tries to kill him, thus stalling his kp for the night, joker shoots at random. we lynch rol if he's alive tomorrow and rid us of all sks, while having tied batman's kp up this night.
Any holes in this?
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On July 21 2011 18:27 Palmar wrote:
Here's my logic.
RoL wasn't worth saving, no Medic would ever think he was some kind of a high priority target for mafia, as he was detrimental and not beneficial to town on day one. And I doubt any medics out there are trying to save random lurkers who they think might get sniped by vigis or 3rd parties.... that'd be insane.
No medic would protect you, and ignore great players like Curu, notasmurf and syllogism, people who have actively contributed in and out of the thread. It simply doesn't add up.
You see, I think one part is true, I think you did take a shot.
And I think you're afraid the vigi who shot it might point it out and come after you, so better claim it yourself.
Problem is, you didn't get saved, you're just immune to night hits, you see where I'm going with this? I think we can lower hostile KP's by one just by hanging you tonight.
Important
If you are the doctor who did indeed save RoL, you need to find a way to stop us from lynching him, as it's simply unreasonable to think he actually got saved at the moment.
Here's how you do that. You claim to the person you think is most pro-town in the thread, and he will then confirm in the thread that the Doctor has whispered to him and confirmed RoL did indeed get saved. Just go with your own instinct on finding a pro-town player.
The disclaimer is that any doc claims made by the Insane Inmates trio, will be ignored.
Conclusion
I think RebirthOfLeGenD is almost definitely third party. I think he did take a hit last night, and I think he's immune to night kills. I think he should hang.
Waiting for a Medic to prove me wrong, until then, my vote remains.
I completely disagree. Regardless of whether he deservers it or not or whether his actions in this game warrant it, there are several players that hold RoL in very high regard and believe that he's running a massive behind the scenes PM circle super plan to trap mafia. At least one has explicitly said so to me in a PM (I won't say who in case he's the medic that saved him). The fact that he's got that meta-game baggage means it's perfectly reasonable (in my mind at least) for the scum to believe the same. I am inclined to believe Mig's claim that curu said RoL was trying to contact him:
+ Show Spoiler +Original Message From Curu: Because I want to know if he's just been PMing newer players so far. Show nested quote +Original Message From Pyo: out of curiosity, why do you want to know about RoL? Original Message From Curu: Thanks for your thoughts. For what it's worth I'm not up for lynching you just based on indecisiveness since you haven't been flopping around and changing your views once you came into danger. Has RoL contacted you at all yet? Original Message From Pyo: Ok, I'll bite since you've been by far the most active person so far and mafia doesn't really have any reason to reach out to me given that it's abundantly clear I'm not part of any PM circles. Basically when people started jumping on my ass, I was suspicious of Wiggles, supersoft. Supersoft acted really suspicious with his whole VT/PM BS. It felt like he was crumbling under pressure from people. The thing that made me a little wary was the fact that eveyone was being super quick to jump all over him and based on my previous experience playing with him, he's far from an "experienced" player. I'm also not quite sure what to make of him being the one person to sort of come to my defense. Wiggles on the other hand made one of those big long policy posts that just restated the premise of the game. The odd about him was how defensive he got when I wasn't even really putting pressure on him. I quoted two different policy posts (one by him and the other by creamybutter) and he got super defensive being really snipety back (but for all I know that might just be his personality). The reason I ddin't pursue him further was Drazerk and ghrur being very quick to take up the cause despite me never even intending to apply pressure. Plus TheAwesomeAll arbitrarily says that I was backing off and being scummy, which means that I can't really suddenly start applying real pressure because it looks like I'm just responding to pressure from him. There are also at least 7 people who have fewer than 5 posts so far (that I've seen that is - there might be more and some of the ones originally on my lurker list just posted in the last couple pages): 7. hiro protagonist 22. Varysthespider 23. node 33. cjrninja 37. zona 38. gtrsrs 39. ribboo As far as I'm concerned why not just let them get themselves mod-killed or make their bare minimum number of posts just before the deadline so it's abundantly clear that they're lurking. Besides it's not like nobody else can make a lurker list themselves. The other suspicious person to me is TheAwesomeAll. He was the first to start applying pressure on me for what frankly wasn't even much of anything, yet has never voted for me and has completely dropped his case against me. It feels like he was just trying to start a bandwagon against me and having accomplished his goal is letting up to avoid being held responsible if/when I flip. Now given that list of people, two are already under FoS by others, 1 was active in pressuring me, and the rest are lurkers. When someone asks a mafia who their FoS is on, are current the town targets and lurkers exactly who you point out? I don't really have any other suspects that are based on anything more than a hunch or a guess. So I'm in a sort of Catch-22 situation here. No matter what I say I look like scum, so rather than clutter the thread with random accusations or risk weakening the case against my actual FoS's, I'll just shut up. Since Palmer and Kurumi (two guys with a lot of teeth but little brain power or focus) are the only ones voting for me, I'll just let it blow over and hope that people will realize that they're misinterpreting what I've been saying (not saying what my FoS's are is hugely different from not having any), especially given that most of the PM's I'm getting are saying that I'm a noob or an idiot but don't really think I'm scum. Original Message From Curu:
You're drawing quite a bit of heat right now for your indecisiveness. Where do you propose we start then? Day 1 is a quest for information IMO, if we do nothing on day 1 then we have nothing to start with on day 2. And no one will give any relevant information unless there's real pressure of being lynched.
I'd like to hear your thoughts and opinions in more detail on this matter though.
Thanks.
That all said, the fact that he's got that meta-game position, if he is mafia he would be an extremely dangerous mafia. I still don't see a reason for him to claim a hit, even if it were true that he got hit. He doesn't seem like the sort of player who would say he got hit for no reason. I personally would like to know what that reason is.
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I can't see any.
Well I wouldn't call this a "hole", but Batman's KP might not be tied up if he actually targeted RoL last night and RoL was Ra'as ;p He would not try RoL again obviously.
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On July 21 2011 20:05 Lucidity wrote:
I can't see any.
Well I wouldn't call this a "hole", but Batman's KP might not be tied up if he actually targeted RoL last night and RoL was Ra'as ;p He would not try RoL again obviously.
Right, but that's worth the risk, I think?
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Also i was thinking about what notasmurf said about how he didnt trust mig and wiggles bc of the QT circles... wasnt mig one of the first people to put together a solid analysis against RedFF who is proven scum before that bandwagon even got rolling? I guess its possible he could have been throwing RedFF under the bus to get town credit but if he was i would have thought he would have waited a little longer instead of building a case against him right away.
It would have been nice to read notasmurfs analysis on mig so we could know why he thought mig was scummier than wiggles, bc from what i've been reading mig has seemed more town to me than wiggles. mig has been actually analyzing people where as wiggles has been talking more game strategy.
Also wouldn't mig want us to try to lynch a potential SK instead of scum hunting mafia if he was indeed mafia?
I think a few other people had mentioned mig as a suspected scum earlier on, as he recieved a few short lived votes, but i don't remember there reasons. Does anyone have something I'm missing that makes him look scummy? Otherwise i would say wiggles > mig for suspicion
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On July 21 2011 20:07 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2011 20:05 Lucidity wrote:
I can't see any.
Well I wouldn't call this a "hole", but Batman's KP might not be tied up if he actually targeted RoL last night and RoL was Ra'as ;p He would not try RoL again obviously. Right, but that's worth the risk, I think?
Not like RoL is any closer to knowing who hit him if that indeed happened.
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On July 21 2011 20:08 VarysTheSpider wrote:
Also i was thinking about what notasmurf said about how he didnt trust mig and wiggles bc of the QT circles... wasnt mig one of the first people to put together a solid analysis against RedFF who is proven scum before that bandwagon even got rolling? I guess its possible he could have been throwing RedFF under the bus to get town credit but if he was i would have thought he would have waited a little longer instead of building a case against him right away.
It would have been nice to read notasmurfs analysis on mig so we could know why he thought mig was scummier than wiggles, bc from what i've been reading mig has seemed more town to me than wiggles. mig has been actually analyzing people where as wiggles has been talking more game strategy.
Also wouldn't mig want us to try to lynch a potential SK instead of scum hunting mafia if he was indeed mafia?
I think a few other people had mentioned mig as a suspected scum earlier on, as he recieved a few short lived votes, but i don't remember there reasons. Does anyone have something I'm missing that makes him look scummy? Otherwise i would say wiggles > mig for suspicion
There are far more obvious suspects than either of them. Just taking a look at the voting list will put most of mine over Mr. Wiggles easily.
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On July 21 2011 20:07 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2011 20:05 Lucidity wrote:
I can't see any.
Well I wouldn't call this a "hole", but Batman's KP might not be tied up if he actually targeted RoL last night and RoL was Ra'as ;p He would not try RoL again obviously. Right, but that's worth the risk, I think?
Yes. That's why I'm not calling it a hole. Just thought I'd point it out ;p
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On July 21 2011 20:10 ketomai wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2011 20:08 VarysTheSpider wrote:
Also i was thinking about what notasmurf said about how he didnt trust mig and wiggles bc of the QT circles... wasnt mig one of the first people to put together a solid analysis against RedFF who is proven scum before that bandwagon even got rolling? I guess its possible he could have been throwing RedFF under the bus to get town credit but if he was i would have thought he would have waited a little longer instead of building a case against him right away.
It would have been nice to read notasmurfs analysis on mig so we could know why he thought mig was scummier than wiggles, bc from what i've been reading mig has seemed more town to me than wiggles. mig has been actually analyzing people where as wiggles has been talking more game strategy.
Also wouldn't mig want us to try to lynch a potential SK instead of scum hunting mafia if he was indeed mafia?
I think a few other people had mentioned mig as a suspected scum earlier on, as he recieved a few short lived votes, but i don't remember there reasons. Does anyone have something I'm missing that makes him look scummy? Otherwise i would say wiggles > mig for suspicion There are far more obvious suspects than either of them. Just taking a look at the voting list will put most of mine over Mr. Wiggles easily.
Instead of telling me there are far more obvious suspects can you just tell me who you think they are so i can look into them as well?
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On July 21 2011 20:16 VarysTheSpider wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2011 20:10 ketomai wrote:On July 21 2011 20:08 VarysTheSpider wrote:
Also i was thinking about what notasmurf said about how he didnt trust mig and wiggles bc of the QT circles... wasnt mig one of the first people to put together a solid analysis against RedFF who is proven scum before that bandwagon even got rolling? I guess its possible he could have been throwing RedFF under the bus to get town credit but if he was i would have thought he would have waited a little longer instead of building a case against him right away.
It would have been nice to read notasmurfs analysis on mig so we could know why he thought mig was scummier than wiggles, bc from what i've been reading mig has seemed more town to me than wiggles. mig has been actually analyzing people where as wiggles has been talking more game strategy.
Also wouldn't mig want us to try to lynch a potential SK instead of scum hunting mafia if he was indeed mafia?
I think a few other people had mentioned mig as a suspected scum earlier on, as he recieved a few short lived votes, but i don't remember there reasons. Does anyone have something I'm missing that makes him look scummy? Otherwise i would say wiggles > mig for suspicion There are far more obvious suspects than either of them. Just taking a look at the voting list will put most of mine over Mr. Wiggles easily. Instead of telling me there are far more obvious suspects can you just tell me who you think they are so i can look into them as well?
I've mentioned them several times, they're also bolded in my last post mentioning them.
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MIG needs to die , he has been wishy washy during two freaking pages . Also he admitted he is scum in irc (Palmar could You paste it ?) I am visiting my dead sister 's grave in a bit so I will post something of bigger value later . Deconduo, You Bane?
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I did not admit to being scum lol. And I am not scum.
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I don't think that's actually what happened Kurum, lol, I think Mig is town.
Here's the log Kurumi requested:
<Kurumi> I won't claim to You scum <Kurumi> what else <Mig__> lol does it matter? <Kurumi> yes <Kurumi> wait <Kurumi> You just admitted You're scum? <Kurumi> oh shit <Palmar> lol <Mig__> ........ <Kurumi> well <supersoft> :D <Kurumi> still * Palmar has kicked Mig__ from #loonybin (Mig__) <Kurumi> You're not as bad as redff <Palmar> kicked scum <Kurumi> haha
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On July 21 2011 20:00 Palmar wrote:
yeah lol.
Let the 3rd parties deal with him
scenario a) Rol is joker, both batman and raas try to kill him, batman succeeds, we rid us of them all
scenario b) rol is batman, ra'as tries to kill him and succeeds, joker probably shoots at random. we rid us of 2 sks
scenario c) RoL is ra'as, batman tries to kill him, thus stalling his kp for the night, joker shoots at random. we lynch rol if he's alive tomorrow and rid us of all sks, while having tied batman's kp up this night.
Any holes in this?
How would lynching RoL if he's Ra'as rid us of all SKs?
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my bad, that's just me being a bit derp.
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On July 21 2011 20:59 Palmar wrote:
my bad, that's just me being a bit derp.
That's what I thought. :p
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