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hiro protagonist
Profile Joined January 2009
1294 Posts
June 25 2011 19:20 GMT
#49
oh, hell yeah!

/in
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hiro protagonist
Profile Joined January 2009
1294 Posts
June 26 2011 03:47 GMT
#59
On June 26 2011 12:44 Sinani201 wrote:
/in

OK, I know I look like a Sinani206 smurf, but hear me out. I am a completely different person. We know each other IRL, but we are different people. I promise.


why the same names???
"I guess if you climb enough off-widths, one of these days, your gonna get your knee stuck and shit your pants. Its just an odds thing really" -Jason Kruk
hiro protagonist
Profile Joined January 2009
1294 Posts
June 28 2011 03:13 GMT
#151
Sup town!

I am 100% behind Gmarshal about lurkers/trolls. that is all I have to say about that.

so everyone, lets get into it: towns lurker KP should be used once any lurker list is up. As such, I doubt very much that we will need to do a policy lynch on lurkers (which is something I almost always advocate).

Conversely: mafia, with the lurker mod on, will try and be spammy. Vigs, please,please,PLEASE, just shoot anyone that is cluttering up the thread with nonsense.

"I guess if you climb enough off-widths, one of these days, your gonna get your knee stuck and shit your pants. Its just an odds thing really" -Jason Kruk
hiro protagonist
Profile Joined January 2009
1294 Posts
June 28 2011 03:39 GMT
#174
On June 28 2011 12:24 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 28 2011 12:20 youngminii wrote:
On June 28 2011 12:13 hiro protagonist wrote:
Sup town!

I am 100% behind Gmarshal about lurkers/trolls. that is all I have to say about that.

so everyone, lets get into it: towns lurker KP should be used once any lurker list is up. As such, I doubt very much that we will need to do a policy lynch on lurkers (which is something I almost always advocate).

Conversely: mafia, with the lurker mod on, will try and be spammy. Vigs, please,please,PLEASE, just shoot anyone that is cluttering up the thread with nonsense.


Do not do this, Vig you should be targeting who they feel is scum, not anyone that is spammy. First off, scum are not stupid, they won't be spamming up the thread for the sake of spamming the thread. Second, by saying "just shoot anyone that is cluttering up the thread with nonsense" in the thread will obviously signal scum to be very delicate and careful with their posting.

FoS on you for this, it's a very flawed plan, everyone knows what a lurker is and what's not, if someone appears to be spammy and their playstyle lines up with scum then go ahead and shoot them but as soon as you start directing who the Vig should hit publically is when mafia get an advantage.


Also, since lurking is defined by third party judgement, there's a chance that Spammers will also show up on the lurker list, due to quality of posts and actual word count. Shoot who you think is scummy, not who you think is worthless. -_-


Your right, Vigs should hit those who are scummy. Those that are Spamming the thread are acting scummy. I didn't make a plan, I was giving out words of wisdom. Don't twist my words please.

@Wiggles: you remember PTP right? I don't want that to happen with this thread...
"I guess if you climb enough off-widths, one of these days, your gonna get your knee stuck and shit your pants. Its just an odds thing really" -Jason Kruk
hiro protagonist
Profile Joined January 2009
1294 Posts
June 28 2011 03:41 GMT
#175
EBWOP: that first part was directed at youngminii...
"I guess if you climb enough off-widths, one of these days, your gonna get your knee stuck and shit your pants. Its just an odds thing really" -Jason Kruk
hiro protagonist
Profile Joined January 2009
1294 Posts
June 28 2011 04:06 GMT
#190
@LSB: What do you have in mind? speaking for myself, I cant think of a way to abuse it because the list is chosen from a 3rd party...
"I guess if you climb enough off-widths, one of these days, your gonna get your knee stuck and shit your pants. Its just an odds thing really" -Jason Kruk
hiro protagonist
Profile Joined January 2009
1294 Posts
June 28 2011 04:34 GMT
#203
Ok, chaos, he is a list:

GMarshal
youngminii
Jackal58
~OpZ~
Mr. Wiggles
Kenpachi

these are the most skilled/vets players in this game. Fun fact: GMarshal has never been lynched as town. Another fun fact: Mr. Wiggles has been mafia the last 2 games I played with him.

The following players I would describe as skilled, or at least very active when playing town:

DropBear
Cthsazsa
Mig
sandroba
VisceraEyes
Palmar
Varpulis

Everyone else I have no experience playing with.
"I guess if you climb enough off-widths, one of these days, your gonna get your knee stuck and shit your pants. Its just an odds thing really" -Jason Kruk
hiro protagonist
Profile Joined January 2009
1294 Posts
June 28 2011 19:55 GMT
#405
On June 29 2011 03:43 GMarshal wrote:
He only has 7 posts, but I'll only include those that successfully brought something new to the table to discuss. They are all in the spoiler

+ Show Spoiler +


That was easy. Each and every one of his posts masquerades as having content, without really including anything worthwhile. It takes no stances and interestingly enough brings up mild opposition to LSB's plan. This isn't necessarily damning, but I want hiro to start taking definite stances. I want so see which lynch he would advocate today, and what he thinks about pretty much everything. This "posting just to get by" is bad for the town, and he isn't going to get away with it.

Yes this case is not extremely solid, but the PBP I originally wrote was all "no content" and "fluff" comments, which would have made my case longer than necessary for clarity, in essence hiro needs to give us more so we can actually assess his alignment, as reading over his posts reveals nothing.


Hi Gmarshal! So you think my posts so far have no content? fluff? putting a pressure vote on me? OK, I can dig that.

My defense is an easy one: everyone of my first 7 post where in the first 2 hours of the game, in which I:

* encourage town not to lurk, not to spam, or there will be consequences.
* made a list of players that are vets and should be put under scrutiny (thats why KenP was on it, and I put mine up before yours GM, but yours was better written i must say).

How does one be pro-town in the beginning of the game? why, by creating a good town atmosphere! I did just that. So did you. Your opening post was just what I wanted to say, but you said it first, so I just agreed with you. Then I went to bed, woke up, and went to work.

now I am here again, and I will contribute like a good townie should: scum hunting. I have some leads(*cough Syllogism *cough), and I will make a post about it in a bit. keep your votes on me if you think I wont follow through ^__^
"I guess if you climb enough off-widths, one of these days, your gonna get your knee stuck and shit your pants. Its just an odds thing really" -Jason Kruk
hiro protagonist
Profile Joined January 2009
1294 Posts
June 28 2011 20:23 GMT
#421
On June 29 2011 05:17 syllogism wrote:
Hey guys here's a good OMGUS for you.

Just hit that all button, press ctrl-f and type Palmer

Then look through the useless pile of junk he's created


the difference is that all Palmars post have context in the thread. All of your post could be placed anywhere in the thread and not look out of place (hint: thats how a scum posts if he wants to look like he is contributing). Give me a real reason Palmar is scummy, or on anyone for that matter. Give me a reason not to vote for you.
"I guess if you climb enough off-widths, one of these days, your gonna get your knee stuck and shit your pants. Its just an odds thing really" -Jason Kruk
hiro protagonist
Profile Joined January 2009
1294 Posts
June 28 2011 22:42 GMT
#458
##Vote syllogism

You still have not given me a reason not to vote for you. I am willing to believe you when you say all of your posts are not fluff and are pro-town, but none of your posts tells me who you think are scum, or what your opinion on anyone is. time for you to step up. Tell me who YOU think is scum. Give opinions on other lynch candidates. Do this, and I will move my vote off you.
"I guess if you climb enough off-widths, one of these days, your gonna get your knee stuck and shit your pants. Its just an odds thing really" -Jason Kruk
hiro protagonist
Profile Joined January 2009
1294 Posts
June 28 2011 23:03 GMT
#462
On June 29 2011 07:55 sandroba wrote:
@Hiro How about a reason to vote for him? I'm pretty confident syllogism is town.


He hasn't stuck his neck out on anything or given an opinion. His post so far are like the first level of a video game: tutorials. Dont get me wrong, helping out the newer players is fine (I would consider myself a newer player) but where half way though day 1, and its time to move on to finding scum. He has not done that.
"I guess if you climb enough off-widths, one of these days, your gonna get your knee stuck and shit your pants. Its just an odds thing really" -Jason Kruk
hiro protagonist
Profile Joined January 2009
1294 Posts
June 28 2011 23:05 GMT
#463
On June 29 2011 07:58 syllogism wrote:
So let's see Hiro, 3 hours ago you made a post promising you had some "leads" and would make a case on me (when in fact, there was already a bad case/wagon which you never improved) and go "scum hunting". Now 3 hours later you still haven't made a case, jump on the said stupid and easy wagon, vote for me citing my lack of opinions so far being your sole reason despite this being your first complete non-fluff post. Are you not seeing the hypocrisy?

Around 15 people haven't even voted yet and most of them haven't expressed any suspicion yet. See the problem?


no problem, glad your here. who do you think is scum?
"I guess if you climb enough off-widths, one of these days, your gonna get your knee stuck and shit your pants. Its just an odds thing really" -Jason Kruk
hiro protagonist
Profile Joined January 2009
1294 Posts
June 28 2011 23:12 GMT
#468
On June 29 2011 08:09 aprudds wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 29 2011 08:05 hiro protagonist wrote:
On June 29 2011 07:58 syllogism wrote:
So let's see Hiro, 3 hours ago you made a post promising you had some "leads" and would make a case on me (when in fact, there was already a bad case/wagon which you never improved) and go "scum hunting". Now 3 hours later you still haven't made a case, jump on the said stupid and easy wagon, vote for me citing my lack of opinions so far being your sole reason despite this being your first complete non-fluff post. Are you not seeing the hypocrisy?

Around 15 people haven't even voted yet and most of them haven't expressed any suspicion yet. See the problem?


no problem, glad your here. who do you think is scum?


Wouldn't the proper response here be to express your own thoughts instead of deflecting it to someone else? Don't you think not even attempting to say anything just makes you look like a scummy fool?


My whole reason for voting for him is so I could get an opinion off of him. Why else would I ask?
"I guess if you climb enough off-widths, one of these days, your gonna get your knee stuck and shit your pants. Its just an odds thing really" -Jason Kruk
hiro protagonist
Profile Joined January 2009
1294 Posts
June 28 2011 23:20 GMT
#469
unvote syllogism

OK, thanks for the input. I look forward to hearing your reasons for your vote.

As for Drazerk, he has not been my radar. I will go back though his post and let you know what I think.

"I guess if you climb enough off-widths, one of these days, your gonna get your knee stuck and shit your pants. Its just an odds thing really" -Jason Kruk
hiro protagonist
Profile Joined January 2009
1294 Posts
June 29 2011 07:05 GMT
#543
On June 29 2011 03:18 TheAwesomeAll wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 29 2011 02:51 GMarshal wrote:
On June 29 2011 01:26 TheAwesomeAll wrote:

FoS list

hiro
GM
syllogism
Drazerk


Please, please, please keep it down to one or two candidates day 1, too many FoSes only causes chaos and disjointed voting. If you want to push my case go for it, but limit yourself to that and maybe one other, posting 4 mafia candidates allows the mafia to push whichever ones they want from that list, while ignoring the guilty.

solid point man,

hiro
GM

so hard to choose between drazerk and hiro, but since drazerk was town last time we played he must be town now.
(i take metagame arguments with a grain of salt :>)
(nevermind read his recent post)

Drazerk
GM

Lets give Drazerk some credit. Because after all, who started the bandwagon against 201? who succesfully shifted the discussion away from GM? Hell yeah, Drazerk .
Show nested quote +
On June 28 2011 21:46 Drazerk wrote:
After reading Dropbear's post on Henry is anyone Else suspicious of Edward the first?

At the start of the game he is Pretty much forced into talking by Henry which Dropbear picked up on but no one really followed it up. ( I think LSB died a few moments later )

On June 28 2011 14:37 Sinani201 wrote:
On June 28 2011 14:26 DropBear wrote:


2.
On June 28 2011 12:21 Sinani201 wrote:
On June 28 2011 12:15 sinani206 wrote:
Blues should play however and whenever they want. I shouldn't even have to mention that the townie is the most important role in the game. Analysis wins games, not blues. Let's get some pressure going.

I'm pretty annoying, so I'm going to pressure ##Vote: Sinani201 into being active because I know how much time he spends sitting at his computer and I don't want him to die from lurker KP his first game.

If someone dies from lurker KP, do they get banlisted?


You're already voting for me?

First off, I am not Sinani201. I'm Nisani201.

Second of all, if you want me to make a post, you could have asked nicely.

I don't have anything to contribute yet. I'm reading every single post, and when I feel like I have enough information, I will contribute.

This little exchange confuses me. Why was it necessary to do this? Scumbuddies I wonder, trying to keep each other from being lurker targets? This early matey stuff reminds me of Irish_Punk13 in XXXIX. We all know what alignment he ended up flipping. Voting Edward the 1st.


You're right, the exchange wasn't necessary. But he wanted someone new to talk, and he knew that I was online at the time.


As other people have said the majority of his posts are him stating they are not the same person and the only thing he has truly contributed was outlining a mistake by Chaos Either Alerting his mafia buddies of a possible medic claim or just being stupid

On June 28 2011 13:24 Sinani201 wrote:
On June 28 2011 13:22 chaos13 wrote:
Would somebody mind assembling a list of the skilled/veteran players for myself and the others who are not familiar with all the names in the roster? A 'priority list', if you will, of players mafia are likely to kill first.


From this, it seems like you are either trying to help the Mafia, or softclaiming medic. Or perhaps trying to help the medic.


Personally Im suspecting Both Edward and Henry due to the amount of Fluff they are producing to keep of that lurker list


Wow they are talking with each other and not really contributing. You know why that isnt scummy?
Because they arent trying to blend in. They seems oblivious of the town, there is no way they are getting lynched, because they are town (or so they think)
They have no fear and are two untamed lovers using every communication they got to express that.
Scum doesnt do that

Show nested quote +
On June 29 2011 01:32 Drazerk wrote:
On June 29 2011 01:26 TheAwesomeAll wrote:
YM and Syllo stop arguing with each other, you arent producing anything.

On June 29 2011 00:38 syllogism wrote:
I checked his post history earlier. He has generated a lot of discussion which is goodt and is obviously attempting to establish himself as a town leader. Some of his posts have a bit weak logic, but I didn't notice anything particularly anti-town. I'm leaning town as if he were scum, he would pretty much have to be GF. Stating he isn't wishywashy about his vote is a bit odd though.

Who are you talking about? What do you think? cast your vote?
You are soft defending him, like really really soft. Almost as if you dont want to be associated with him if he were to turn red. Dont do that .
Also you are playing so defensive
On June 29 2011 00:12 syllogism wrote:
Oh okay so the one who has actually posted something of substance is the suspicious one. The one who has given the new and different format some thought rather than post worthless lists and copy pasted "how town should play" guides. Perfect.

My plan for lynch was going to be lynching someone who has posted a lot to avoid being on the lurker list without contributing anything, but unfortunately some players feel the need to post their every single thought, including the fact this is a decent idea if there are no better alternatives present. I even hinted that Dropbear should stop alluding to this plan as it relies on players not actually being aware of it, but he still made another reference.

what was that post about, who is accusing you?
FoS list

hiro
GM
syllogism
Drazerk

YM stop spamming, you are not doing the town any favors. Also arguing with Syllo will only does him favors if he is scum. In general these stupid 'fights' are really anti town since mafia can blend in, participate, post, with 0% slip chance.
Why is everyone ignoring GM?? I posted a LOT on him and no one is responding? Dropbear posted 2 posts 1 accusing GM 1 accusing *Henry* Drazerk comes in and Asking if anyone else felt like he did after that post of Dropbear. Removing all his responsability, then he waits for Palmar to vote before he votes.
Discussion derailed.
As pointed out above drazerk is obvious mafia,
But he isnt sitting back, hes actively derailing the thread so GMarshal doesnt get lynched

Drazerk do you think GM is mafia? Can you defend yourself? Do you think Hiro is mafia?


How do I always get pinned as mafia within the first day... Do you really want me to start martyring again? left right and centre?

Anyway i think GMarshal is possibly scum im not certain unlike how I am with 201/206 so im not going to stick my neck out on the line unless im certain ( see XL / Mini I rarely commit until im positive )

As for Hiro I did not get into the day until after he dropped off and am going to need to look at all of his posts again before I say anything.

And he didnt say anything

Show nested quote +
On June 29 2011 01:35 Drazerk wrote:
On June 29 2011 01:28 TheAwesomeAll wrote:
On June 28 2011 22:24 Drazerk wrote:
On June 28 2011 22:10 Palmar wrote:
only problem with lynching sinani206 is that the last game I played with him his combo was:

a) post fluff, lists and useless shit
b) claim veteran
c) get lynched.

It's hard to analyse people who we know act super scummy as town anyway.

But sure, he's the best idea so far, let's bandwagon this thing.


Hmm As im already FoSing these two guys I still think 201 may be a more of a pressing target as he has acted most like scum, although I believe both of them are possible scum and if 206 comes up red we will Probably have another shot to take Tommorow. ( See that small pointless engagement at the start of the game )

Do you really think they are both scum? seems a bit unlikely doesnt it?


From my experience the more unlikely something is the more likely it is to happen ... if that makes any sense at all


Why not have both of them as mafia would be pretty easy to hide as "RL friends"

...
His other posts are about the Scum Walhalla that is lurkers and technical issues. The important thing is how he succefully diverted attention from GM. Discuss.

(dt check this guy, shoot GM imo)


well, thats that then.

##Vote Drazerk
"I guess if you climb enough off-widths, one of these days, your gonna get your knee stuck and shit your pants. Its just an odds thing really" -Jason Kruk
hiro protagonist
Profile Joined January 2009
1294 Posts
July 01 2011 16:24 GMT
#1130
Sup town. longest 2 days of my life.... in retrospect, maybe It was a bad Idea to join a mafia game when I would be organizing a Canadian youth climbing comp lol.

So, on to the suspects!

Hiro Pro: this guys been scummy as hell. the majority of his post are in the first 2 hours of the game. sense then, he applied some weak pressure, and then voted after a DT flipped, never to return. How he isnt on the lurker list is a huge surprise.

Gmarshal: the case on this guy is huge, and I dont need to go over it. My take is he wants to be shot. town wants him to be shot. He should be shot, not lynched. there are better people to lynch today, as to give a Vig another shot tomorrow. if he is not shot tomorrow, then lynch him.

Of these 2 suspects: Id vote for Hiro. hell he is martyring himself right now!

Wiggles asked some questions Awhile back, So here it goes:

My reason for voting Draz was easy. I had just got home from a long day and I was going back to work in 6 hours. when i checked the thread, TAA just died. I went through his post and found this:

On June 29 2011 16:05 hiro protagonist wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 29 2011 03:18 TheAwesomeAll wrote:
(dt check this guy, shoot GM imo)


well, thats that then.

##Vote Drazerk


A DT basically said he checked Draz, and then tunneled him. That was enough for me. I had forgot that DT checks did not come in for 12 hours, and I left right after that post. Luck would have it that it was ok

Another thing is people thought my "pressure" of syllo was weak. I would have to agree looking back at it. Something to improve on. I DO still find Syllo scummy though.

Im gonna catch up on the thread, and post my thoughts once Im done. Sorry for going AWOL.
"I guess if you climb enough off-widths, one of these days, your gonna get your knee stuck and shit your pants. Its just an odds thing really" -Jason Kruk
hiro protagonist
Profile Joined January 2009
1294 Posts
July 01 2011 19:33 GMT
#1149
On July 02 2011 03:48 Palmar wrote:
incoming announcement, time to get crackin' town.


Waiting on this. I want to now what you got in store
"I guess if you climb enough off-widths, one of these days, your gonna get your knee stuck and shit your pants. Its just an odds thing really" -Jason Kruk
hiro protagonist
Profile Joined January 2009
1294 Posts
July 01 2011 19:55 GMT
#1152
##Vote Sinani201

OK Palmar, I will sheep you. I have no other leads. not the time to find out. it seems to me that scum are playing "be as pro town as possible" in hopes that they can lay low long enough to swing things back in there favor.

I offer only myself as a alternate lynch. this will be my last post before the end of the day as I have to go back to work. If I am alive by tomorrow, I will be on the lurker list where you can hat/shoot/DT check me. I will try and be as helpful as possible next time Im around ^__^

Good Luck!
"I guess if you climb enough off-widths, one of these days, your gonna get your knee stuck and shit your pants. Its just an odds thing really" -Jason Kruk
hiro protagonist
Profile Joined January 2009
1294 Posts
July 03 2011 16:56 GMT
#1525
Yea, shoot me. I'm pleased with how this game went and sad that I did not have time to be apart of it all of my suspects have flipped scum so I am feeling good about my observation skills. Just like my previous posts, I have very little time and this will be my last post for the day. I will vote for who I think is the last mafia (I wish they would just conseed, unless palmar really is scum, cus I think he is the only One left that could win this for them, IMO)

##Vote: Mig
"I guess if you climb enough off-widths, one of these days, your gonna get your knee stuck and shit your pants. Its just an odds thing really" -Jason Kruk
hiro protagonist
Profile Joined January 2009
1294 Posts
July 05 2011 16:38 GMT
#1717
GG town. This is the First game I have played where I am alive at the end! We had alot of good luck. I was suspicious of Mig ever sense his first post. And when Dropbear had put him in his scum list, I was sure that both where scum. Was gonna make my case on day one but thenTAA flipped and I went for Drez. Then I got super busy lol at wiggles being mafia again. I have played 3 games with you and your always scum I am just gonna start auto voting you from now on.
"I guess if you climb enough off-widths, one of these days, your gonna get your knee stuck and shit your pants. Its just an odds thing really" -Jason Kruk
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