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On June 28 2011 12:20 youngminii wrote:Show nested quote +On June 28 2011 12:13 hiro protagonist wrote:
Sup town!
I am 100% behind Gmarshal about lurkers/trolls. that is all I have to say about that.
so everyone, lets get into it: towns lurker KP should be used once any lurker list is up. As such, I doubt very much that we will need to do a policy lynch on lurkers (which is something I almost always advocate).
Conversely: mafia, with the lurker mod on, will try and be spammy. Vigs, please,please,PLEASE, just shoot anyone that is cluttering up the thread with nonsense.
Do not do this, Vig you should be targeting who they feel is scum, not anyone that is spammy. First off, scum are not stupid, they won't be spamming up the thread for the sake of spamming the thread. Second, by saying "just shoot anyone that is cluttering up the thread with nonsense" in the thread will obviously signal scum to be very delicate and careful with their posting. FoS on you for this, it's a very flawed plan, everyone knows what a lurker is and what's not, if someone appears to be spammy and their playstyle lines up with scum then go ahead and shoot them but as soon as you start directing who the Vig should hit publically is when mafia get an advantage.
Does that really warrant an FoS? Are you willing to vote to back that up right now? Things like this should be kept in mind and used as evidence later on in the day phase when you actually have enough information and evidence to confidently label someone as scum. What it seems like here is that you're pushing a scum agenda trying to create an anti-town atmosphere of paranoia and weakly based suspicion.
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On June 28 2011 12:21 Sinani201 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 28 2011 12:15 sinani206 wrote:
Blues should play however and whenever they want. I shouldn't even have to mention that the townie is the most important role in the game. Analysis wins games, not blues. Let's get some pressure going.
I'm pretty annoying, so I'm going to pressure ##Vote: Sinani201 into being active because I know how much time he spends sitting at his computer and I don't want him to die from lurker KP his first game.
If someone dies from lurker KP, do they get banlisted? You're already voting for me? First off, I am not Sinani201. I'm Nisani201. Second of all, if you want me to make a post, you could have asked nicely. I don't have anything to contribute yet. I'm reading every single post, and when I feel like I have enough information, I will contribute.
That's how it works. I vote for you and you contribute ASAP, so that more people won't vote for you.
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On June 28 2011 12:21 Sinani201 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 28 2011 12:15 sinani206 wrote:
Blues should play however and whenever they want. I shouldn't even have to mention that the townie is the most important role in the game. Analysis wins games, not blues. Let's get some pressure going.
I'm pretty annoying, so I'm going to pressure ##Vote: Sinani201 into being active because I know how much time he spends sitting at his computer and I don't want him to die from lurker KP his first game.
If someone dies from lurker KP, do they get banlisted? You're already voting for me? First off, I am not Sinani201. I'm Nisani201. Second of all, if you want me to make a post, you could have asked nicely. I don't have anything to contribute yet. I'm reading every single post, and when I feel like I have enough information, I will contribute.
Hi Nisani201.
So, I've never played with you before. What if any is your mafia experience?
As a matter of fact, if you are new, I'd like you to mention your mafia experience if any in your first post in the thread. I won't consider it a contribution, but its something I would like to know, so I can keep it in mind as I go over your posts.
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On June 28 2011 12:24 chaos13 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 28 2011 12:20 youngminii wrote:On June 28 2011 12:13 hiro protagonist wrote:
Sup town!
I am 100% behind Gmarshal about lurkers/trolls. that is all I have to say about that.
so everyone, lets get into it: towns lurker KP should be used once any lurker list is up. As such, I doubt very much that we will need to do a policy lynch on lurkers (which is something I almost always advocate).
Conversely: mafia, with the lurker mod on, will try and be spammy. Vigs, please,please,PLEASE, just shoot anyone that is cluttering up the thread with nonsense.
Do not do this, Vig you should be targeting who they feel is scum, not anyone that is spammy. First off, scum are not stupid, they won't be spamming up the thread for the sake of spamming the thread. Second, by saying "just shoot anyone that is cluttering up the thread with nonsense" in the thread will obviously signal scum to be very delicate and careful with their posting. FoS on you for this, it's a very flawed plan, everyone knows what a lurker is and what's not, if someone appears to be spammy and their playstyle lines up with scum then go ahead and shoot them but as soon as you start directing who the Vig should hit publically is when mafia get an advantage. Does that really warrant an FoS? Are you willing to vote to back that up right now? Things like this should be kept in mind and used as evidence later on in the day phase when you actually have enough information and evidence to confidently label someone as scum. What it seems like here is that you're pushing a scum agenda trying to create an anti-town atmosphere of paranoia and weakly based suspicion.
I respectfully disagree with your philosophy of not being aggressive against anyone. More pressure = more slip ups, that's the point. Just don't take it personally and bandwagon it etc.
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On June 28 2011 12:26 GMarshal wrote:Show nested quote +On June 28 2011 12:21 Sinani201 wrote:On June 28 2011 12:15 sinani206 wrote:
Blues should play however and whenever they want. I shouldn't even have to mention that the townie is the most important role in the game. Analysis wins games, not blues. Let's get some pressure going.
I'm pretty annoying, so I'm going to pressure ##Vote: Sinani201 into being active because I know how much time he spends sitting at his computer and I don't want him to die from lurker KP his first game.
If someone dies from lurker KP, do they get banlisted? You're already voting for me? First off, I am not Sinani201. I'm Nisani201. Second of all, if you want me to make a post, you could have asked nicely. I don't have anything to contribute yet. I'm reading every single post, and when I feel like I have enough information, I will contribute. Hi Nisani201. So, I've never played with you before. What if any is your mafia experience? As a matter of fact, if you are new, I'd like you to mention your mafia experience if any in your first post in the thread. I won't consider it a contribution, but its something I would like to know, so I can keep it in mind as I go over your posts.
He knows the basics from IRL (no shit everyone does) and plays some SC2 Mafia.
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I agree with what Chaos13 said about the whole "setting up a pro-town atmosphere". No need for the useless fingerpointing when we're only about 20 minutes into the game.
Also, flawed plan =/= scum.
I think some of us learned that from PTP? lol.
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On June 28 2011 12:27 youngminii wrote:Show nested quote +On June 28 2011 12:24 chaos13 wrote:On June 28 2011 12:20 youngminii wrote:On June 28 2011 12:13 hiro protagonist wrote:
Sup town!
I am 100% behind Gmarshal about lurkers/trolls. that is all I have to say about that.
so everyone, lets get into it: towns lurker KP should be used once any lurker list is up. As such, I doubt very much that we will need to do a policy lynch on lurkers (which is something I almost always advocate).
Conversely: mafia, with the lurker mod on, will try and be spammy. Vigs, please,please,PLEASE, just shoot anyone that is cluttering up the thread with nonsense.
Do not do this, Vig you should be targeting who they feel is scum, not anyone that is spammy. First off, scum are not stupid, they won't be spamming up the thread for the sake of spamming the thread. Second, by saying "just shoot anyone that is cluttering up the thread with nonsense" in the thread will obviously signal scum to be very delicate and careful with their posting. FoS on you for this, it's a very flawed plan, everyone knows what a lurker is and what's not, if someone appears to be spammy and their playstyle lines up with scum then go ahead and shoot them but as soon as you start directing who the Vig should hit publically is when mafia get an advantage. Does that really warrant an FoS? Are you willing to vote to back that up right now? Things like this should be kept in mind and used as evidence later on in the day phase when you actually have enough information and evidence to confidently label someone as scum. What it seems like here is that you're pushing a scum agenda trying to create an anti-town atmosphere of paranoia and weakly based suspicion. I respectfully disagree with your philosophy of not being aggressive against anyone. More pressure = more slip ups, that's the point. Just don't take it personally and bandwagon it etc.
There is a difference between being aggressive and being anti-town. I would also like to bring this post to light:
On June 28 2011 11:57 youngminii wrote:
Good post GMarshal, I wasn't aware scum were targeting lurkers too this game. It's almost as if they're a 3rd party faction. I like how you make a giant warning against lurkers when the game itself is designed to punish them.
"I wasn't aware scum were targeting lurkers too this game."
After reading through GMarshal's post again, the only conclusion I can come to is that you mean to call GM scummy, when that post is one of the most pro-town things I have seen and probably will see this whole game.
I'm all for pressuring and being aggressive. What I am not for is making weak accusations without evidence to support them
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On June 28 2011 12:26 GMarshal wrote:
Hi Nisani201.
So, I've never played with you before. What if any is your mafia experience?
I've played SC2 Mafia many times, and a small amount of games on Epic Mafia. Though I've never played through a large forum game, I've fully read through TL Mafia XLII so I have a general feel for how games work.
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On June 28 2011 12:30 Cthsazsa wrote:
I agree with what Chaos13 said about the whole "setting up a pro-town atmosphere". No need for the useless fingerpointing when we're only about 20 minutes into the game.
Also, flawed plan =/= scum.
I think some of us learned that from PTP? lol.
I'm not fingerpointing, I'm pressuring someone who I know can play well and want to make sure he has a good time his first game.
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On June 28 2011 12:33 sinani206 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 28 2011 12:30 Cthsazsa wrote:
I agree with what Chaos13 said about the whole "setting up a pro-town atmosphere". No need for the useless fingerpointing when we're only about 20 minutes into the game.
Also, flawed plan =/= scum.
I think some of us learned that from PTP? lol.
I'm not fingerpointing, I'm pressuring someone who I know can play well and want to make sure he has a good time his first game.
That was more directed towards youngminii then anyone else but alrighty.
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On June 28 2011 12:27 youngminii wrote:Show nested quote +On June 28 2011 12:24 chaos13 wrote:On June 28 2011 12:20 youngminii wrote:On June 28 2011 12:13 hiro protagonist wrote:
Sup town!
I am 100% behind Gmarshal about lurkers/trolls. that is all I have to say about that.
so everyone, lets get into it: towns lurker KP should be used once any lurker list is up. As such, I doubt very much that we will need to do a policy lynch on lurkers (which is something I almost always advocate).
Conversely: mafia, with the lurker mod on, will try and be spammy. Vigs, please,please,PLEASE, just shoot anyone that is cluttering up the thread with nonsense.
Do not do this, Vig you should be targeting who they feel is scum, not anyone that is spammy. First off, scum are not stupid, they won't be spamming up the thread for the sake of spamming the thread. Second, by saying "just shoot anyone that is cluttering up the thread with nonsense" in the thread will obviously signal scum to be very delicate and careful with their posting. FoS on you for this, it's a very flawed plan, everyone knows what a lurker is and what's not, if someone appears to be spammy and their playstyle lines up with scum then go ahead and shoot them but as soon as you start directing who the Vig should hit publically is when mafia get an advantage. Does that really warrant an FoS? Are you willing to vote to back that up right now? Things like this should be kept in mind and used as evidence later on in the day phase when you actually have enough information and evidence to confidently label someone as scum. What it seems like here is that you're pushing a scum agenda trying to create an anti-town atmosphere of paranoia and weakly based suspicion. I respectfully disagree with your philosophy of not being aggressive against anyone. More pressure = more slip ups, that's the point. Just don't take it personally and bandwagon it etc.
If you disagree with not being aggressive, then wouldn't more aggression imply more pressure? I'm confused as to what your point is.
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On June 28 2011 12:34 Cthsazsa wrote:Show nested quote +On June 28 2011 12:33 sinani206 wrote:On June 28 2011 12:30 Cthsazsa wrote:
I agree with what Chaos13 said about the whole "setting up a pro-town atmosphere". No need for the useless fingerpointing when we're only about 20 minutes into the game.
Also, flawed plan =/= scum.
I think some of us learned that from PTP? lol.
I'm not fingerpointing, I'm pressuring someone who I know can play well and want to make sure he has a good time his first game. That was more directed towards youngminii then anyone else but alrighty.
Quote his post then. You confused me.
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The detective rules say that the detective checks two lurkers but then that he gets one lurker check per three days, is that one check of two lurkers per three days?
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On June 28 2011 12:24 Mr. Wiggles wrote:Show nested quote +On June 28 2011 12:20 youngminii wrote:On June 28 2011 12:13 hiro protagonist wrote:
Sup town!
I am 100% behind Gmarshal about lurkers/trolls. that is all I have to say about that.
so everyone, lets get into it: towns lurker KP should be used once any lurker list is up. As such, I doubt very much that we will need to do a policy lynch on lurkers (which is something I almost always advocate).
Conversely: mafia, with the lurker mod on, will try and be spammy. Vigs, please,please,PLEASE, just shoot anyone that is cluttering up the thread with nonsense.
Do not do this, Vig you should be targeting who they feel is scum, not anyone that is spammy. First off, scum are not stupid, they won't be spamming up the thread for the sake of spamming the thread. Second, by saying "just shoot anyone that is cluttering up the thread with nonsense" in the thread will obviously signal scum to be very delicate and careful with their posting. FoS on you for this, it's a very flawed plan, everyone knows what a lurker is and what's not, if someone appears to be spammy and their playstyle lines up with scum then go ahead and shoot them but as soon as you start directing who the Vig should hit publically is when mafia get an advantage. Also, since lurking is defined by third party judgement, there's a chance that Spammers will also show up on the lurker list, due to quality of posts and actual word count. Shoot who you think is scummy, not who you think is worthless. -_-
Your right, Vigs should hit those who are scummy. Those that are Spamming the thread are acting scummy. I didn't make a plan, I was giving out words of wisdom. Don't twist my words please.
@Wiggles: you remember PTP right? I don't want that to happen with this thread...
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EBWOP: that first part was directed at youngminii...
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The last 10~ posts were spammy one liners. If you are that eager to create a pro-town atmosphere, stop arguing semantics and pointing out that you were referring to someone else and so on. This is exactly what happens in LR threads and it makes them hellish to read through. Yes, I've implied that GM and hiro may be scum, what of it? Being pro-town is much more than acting as good as you can possibly be, it also means actively finding scum. You are never going to find scum when you are posting ONLY to make yourself seem town.
Also,
Can Medics protect someone EVERY 36 hours with no downtime? Or do they have a 12 hour buffer zone where they can't protect?
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Can I make a plan that has people strategically placing themselves of the lurker list?
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On June 28 2011 12:27 youngminii wrote:Show nested quote +On June 28 2011 12:24 chaos13 wrote:On June 28 2011 12:20 youngminii wrote:On June 28 2011 12:13 hiro protagonist wrote:
Sup town!
I am 100% behind Gmarshal about lurkers/trolls. that is all I have to say about that.
so everyone, lets get into it: towns lurker KP should be used once any lurker list is up. As such, I doubt very much that we will need to do a policy lynch on lurkers (which is something I almost always advocate).
Conversely: mafia, with the lurker mod on, will try and be spammy. Vigs, please,please,PLEASE, just shoot anyone that is cluttering up the thread with nonsense.
Do not do this, Vig you should be targeting who they feel is scum, not anyone that is spammy. First off, scum are not stupid, they won't be spamming up the thread for the sake of spamming the thread. Second, by saying "just shoot anyone that is cluttering up the thread with nonsense" in the thread will obviously signal scum to be very delicate and careful with their posting. FoS on you for this, it's a very flawed plan, everyone knows what a lurker is and what's not, if someone appears to be spammy and their playstyle lines up with scum then go ahead and shoot them but as soon as you start directing who the Vig should hit publically is when mafia get an advantage. Does that really warrant an FoS? Are you willing to vote to back that up right now? Things like this should be kept in mind and used as evidence later on in the day phase when you actually have enough information and evidence to confidently label someone as scum. What it seems like here is that you're pushing a scum agenda trying to create an anti-town atmosphere of paranoia and weakly based suspicion. I respectfully disagree with your philosophy of not being aggressive against anyone. More pressure = more slip ups, that's the point. Just don't take it personally and bandwagon it etc.
And I disagree with you. As I see it, relentless, aggressive pressure is how you get mafia to slip up. Throwing a bunch of FoS' around doesn't intimidate mafia (as they aren't going to be killed by one vote) and only serves to muddle the waters. Its not a *terrible* way to start, as long as you move out of it sooner rather than later. Its much like the random voting phase some players advocate, its not awful if used correctly, but used incorrectly it lets scum get away with murder and kills the town atmosphere, by miring it in doubt and suspicion.
I don't mind your aggression, but I think it would be more effective if you focused on one person for a few hours, rather than calling a bunch of people scummy over a few minutes.
You are of course free to disregard my advice, but I feel like its a methodology you might consider, as I think its reasonably suited to your temperament. Remember though, the key is *pressure* there must be a threat of death involved to force the person to react. However you must get the information with enough time to stop the bandwagon if your pressure reveals his alignment to be town, rather than mafia, or simply results in no information either way. Its not easy, but a veteran such as yourself can most assuredly pull it off
Thats how I would approach it in your place ^_^
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On June 28 2011 12:43 LSB wrote:
Can I make a plan that has people strategically placing themselves of the lurker list?
I considered that as well LSB, I couldn't come up with a way to do it without the DTs claiming and being RBed though. What are your thoughts on how you would approach abusing the lurker list?
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On June 28 2011 12:46 GMarshal wrote:Show nested quote +On June 28 2011 12:43 LSB wrote:
Can I make a plan that has people strategically placing themselves of the lurker list? I considered that as well LSB, I couldn't come up with a way to do it without the DTs claiming and being RBed though. What are your thoughts on how you would approach abusing the lurker list?
There's no reason to be discussing this. There is no chance that RoL will allow it. It's like cheating rule #7: 7. Getting yourself modkilled to help your team. Your non-majority-decided death may not be used as a bargaining chip. Discussing this will spam up the thread.
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