EPTSometimes players have gotten frustrated with me for "slowrolling", but I always end the game immediately when there is only one possibility. To do anything else is not fair to the players. If you want to end the game earlier, change the wincon in your OP to say "The game ends when one side cannot lose assuming scum does not withhold KP, bus a teammate, doublestack shots in a veteran-less town, or anything else 'wierd'". But that isn't really fair, so I don't actually suggest doing that.
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iGrok
United States5142 Posts
Sometimes players have gotten frustrated with me for "slowrolling", but I always end the game immediately when there is only one possibility. To do anything else is not fair to the players. If you want to end the game earlier, change the wincon in your OP to say "The game ends when one side cannot lose assuming scum does not withhold KP, bus a teammate, doublestack shots in a veteran-less town, or anything else 'wierd'". But that isn't really fair, so I don't actually suggest doing that. | ||
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gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
I.e, if it's MYLO, and town misslynches, and town has no vig/medic, you end the game with a scum win, even though you could technically prolong it one more day. But like Axle said, there are situations where you, as host, might think "This game is 100% won" for some faction, when it is not, since you have to take into account that you have more info than the players (generally), and thus their actions may not be the "optimal" ones that will make them win. Although yes, I would, as host, assume that scum will always NK, to mathematically determine if they already won or not. Since this only happens when there are few players left and they are all alert, etc, you know they won't forget to send the NK or something. Plus, theoretically the game is over by then, a single scum forgetting to send a night action would be kind of an "underserving" win to town (if town ends up winning it). | ||
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kushm4sta
United States8878 Posts
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Coagulation
United States9633 Posts
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AxleGreaser
Australia1154 Posts
On December 14 2013 13:45 kushm4sta wrote: why do you have to boldify your votes in the voting thread... all thats there is votes and i dont see any reason to, especially since it's hard to do on your phone. TBMK its mainly polite to players and hosts as its easier to visually scan for bold votes. Its Ok in my view for hosts to make rules to make it a bit easier for them. If anyone ever builds an automatic vote counter. While the ## is pretty good start ##vote kushm4sta renders as <br><b>##vote kushm4sta</b> in the html So its also nice to put the vote at the start of line ##unvote kushm4sta and not buried mid line. Also hiding your vote is scummy one of the trickier parts of an auto vote counter is noticing the votes that look like they are at the start of a line but are actually inside someone quoting and commenting on a vote by a different player. That is Ok, a state machine to track if the text is inside a quote or not is not that hard. It gets hard when people quote a ##vote post but mess up the tags ... and while it *may* still be clear to a human or host what in the hell you meant any kind of auto vote counter may go splat. The solution as near as i can tell on 2p2 is they use an auto vote counter and its caveat emptor for the players. If your vote does match their algorithm it doesn't count. A real good, solution is an interactive UI that lets hosts store any special decision they made that certain confusing posts either do or do not contain vote. To do it well is ... some work. As their(2p2's) algorithm/rule includes no visual markers such as ## its bit gnarly as I think kushm4sta is a valid vote on 2p2. kushm4sta as maybe is a valid vote. I vote for kushm4sta was i believe not a valid vote as the player name wasnt at the start of a section of bold. I vote for kushm4sta was This one might be valid vote as I ended and restarted the bold bit.... (quote the posts to see what I did.) So yeah I kinda like ##vote player name its simple, but then I dont phone post so YMMV. | ||
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AxleGreaser
Australia1154 Posts
On December 14 2013 13:47 Coagulation wrote: I usually dont for the reasons you just stated. usually dont bold the vote or usually dont phone post? http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=20418572 | ||
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kushm4sta
United States8878 Posts
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AxleGreaser
Australia1154 Posts
On December 15 2013 14:35 kushm4sta wrote: axle im talking about in a voting thread oops. (I should l2read) One ring to rule them all and in the darkness bind them. + Show Spoiler + meaning I am fairly sure if we had two different ways it was meant to be done then players would get much worse at bolding when voting in the game thread. At the present time some people seemingly in practice find it challenging to remember to vote, if they also had to remember which way to vote in this thread.... While its the rule for how to vote, my observation is that because Tl vote counts are done manually, hosts accept any vote they can read in practice. (probably without usually even noticing the typos/jokes) [b]##vote kush[b] [b]##vote KushionM4ster[b] [b]##vote koosh[b] would likely/maybe get you voted, until the host realised the person voting was trolling or gaming or angle shooting them... then bad things would happen. | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36160 Posts
On December 14 2013 13:47 Coagulation wrote: I usually dont for the reasons you just stated. But if I bold my vote, it makes me feel like my penis is just that little bit bigger. | ||
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AxleGreaser
Australia1154 Posts
On December 16 2013 21:10 marvellosity wrote: But if I bold my vote, it makes me feel like my penis is just that little bit bigger. and that is the point of playing this game after all. shhh. + Show Spoiler + Well it is actually important for hosts to know what is important to the players that play in their games. | ||
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Foolishness
United States3044 Posts
And you should read it again just to make sure you actually read it. | ||
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kushm4sta
United States8878 Posts
The worst offenders are games that START A NEW GAME ONCE THEY ARE DONE. So effectively you are taking one of the limited game slots for double the normal time plus all the players, most of which only play one game at a time. cough chrono trigger cough cough... Oh and you aren't allowed to say anything bad about hosts, because they just give and give to the community and ask nothing return right? Wrong. Hosting is how they get their chubbies. They crave the power and the admiration that comes from having a charitable reputation. | ||
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Holyflare
United Kingdom30774 Posts
edit: when I say normal I mean traditional tried and tested basic mafia games which should be a recurring event IMO | ||
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kushm4sta
United States8878 Posts
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kushm4sta
United States8878 Posts
Can't we have mostly normal mafia and only 1 fucked up game, instead of ALL fucked up games running at the same time? Let's look at the current games. Big Brother- illegitimate joke game Shadow mini mafia - what a travesty. I am not allowed to participate in this game at all. Ubervets and noobs only. Oh yeah and this is a DOUBLE game which uses 21 players simultaneously.. Resistance 3 - not mafia. Also do you know how long resistance games take?? TL LXIV - huge game (unavoidable spamfest) which is only half full and is going to take very very long to fill. newbie game - tried to participate in one of these once and i almost got permabanned. sorry for wanting to actually play mafia! So the next mafia game is extractor trick, (hosted by BH so you know it's going to be fucked up somehow). OH and it doesn't start until after resistance, which as I mentioned before lasts forever. that game is going to be very in demand just because it's normal. Then two more theme games before another normal... | ||
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kushm4sta
United States8878 Posts
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Kurumi
Poland6130 Posts
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Alakaslam
United States17336 Posts
On December 30 2013 07:45 Kurumi wrote: I can host one in like three weeks. I can host one soon as resistance is done if people like So whichever is sooner I guess will determine who does what. | ||
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Kurumi
Poland6130 Posts
On December 30 2013 09:03 Alakaslam wrote: I can host one soon as resistance is done if people like So whichever is sooner I guess will determine who does what. Can cohost that | ||
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Alakaslam
United States17336 Posts
Guess this means I'm Blazinghand and you are a lot of ppl | ||
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