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On December 30 2013 14:06 HiroPro wrote:
The problem with c9++ is that it's boring and not balanced. It has numerous issues: an inability of mafia to properly deal with medic+cop/vig combinations, a number of setups that only contain 2 mafia and are unbalanced no matter what the roles, huge amounts of confirmed townies with vig/innocent child/mason running around and leaving mafia with no options at all on kills and no way to effectively kill all of them, mafia roles (godfather) that are completely worthless against non-cop roles but still get inserted and somehow considered more useful than a goon even when town has no cop. A lot of hosts who run a "variant" are lazy and just replace a few roles without actually considering what impact that has on balance. The only variant that I've seen that I would consider even somewhat acceptable is the one that bugs used to run.
On the queue topic, why not simply run normal minis in the same way that newbie games currently are run? Have one continuously up and have someone to organize who's going to put up the next one. From what I saw of the time when incog's site was up and we had any number of games open for signup, I would not be in favor of completely open hosting.
Hiro's proposal has my vote. Or it would if this were a democracy and not an awful oligarchy run by some foolish old man.
+ Show Spoiler + I love you foolishness, even though you are a ruthless oligarch
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Foolishness
United States3044 Posts
Okay, if enough people think normal mini's should be hosted like the newbie games (i.e. put another one up as soon as signups fill) then let's go with that plan.
Should themed games just be consolidated into one queue?
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Blazinghand
United States25563 Posts
Maybe there should be a queue for "games that aren't normal minis" so that our big themed games and big normal games don't trip over each other and the mini themed games in terms of signups. I'm not sure what kind of games are most popular but it wouldn't be a terrible idea. I guess in my ideal vision it would be:
1. the queue basically stays as it is now, but normal minis are removed from it and run like newbie minis
2. yay!
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kitaman27
United States9245 Posts
It might be kinda fun to come up with our own default normal mini setup that we could call our own, rather than running those dirty mafiascum setups. It obviously wouldn't be a requirement to host, but if enough people are interested we could try to put something together.
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I approve of Kita's idea and would help develop that set up if you want.
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Blazinghand
United States25563 Posts
Let's make a thread for putting together a "TL Special" normal mini mafia setup. We can theorycraft and do cool things and also use it for newbie games if we want.
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Wow I can't believe I actually agree somewhat with kush.
No point in reiterating stuff here, though I personally think it's been more of a coincidental thing that a bunch of weird themed/long games are all taking place around the same time. In all my time here I've never seen so few normal minis and never seen the queue move quite so slowly.
Loving the ideas that people have come up with---'mafia cup' sounds awesome and after hosting one of the aforementioned giant long-ass themed games, it'll be nice once I get back into things to play some normals (and I'll get to play with some of the people who avoid themed stuff too---DP I miss you  )
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Blazinghand
United States25563 Posts
In any case I'm pretty lazy and I think previous hosting queue revamps have had issues (that offsite one didn't work out) so the easiest solution is give normal minis their own track like we do to newbie minis. This will also possibly help fill up themed and large normal games since people will know there's always a normal mini game open for signups.
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Foolishness
United States3044 Posts
Defer to the thread here for the discussion about normal mini's and the queue or to the Active Games List thread.
This thread to return to discussion about hosting etiquette from here on out.
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would you look at this thread
I haven't played mafia for a good while so I don't know if this is a general trend but in the two games I've played this Februrary there have been some questionable decisions from the hosts. I doubt any of it was intentional but it's still something we should try to prevent.
Host should just stop interferring with games because players don't play games to have it interferred with by a host. A good idea is to volunteer all information in the beginning of the game and then completely ignore any and all questions. Simply don't communicate with your players about the game after the game has started. Another good idea is not to answer questions posted in the thread. If players need additional information they can send you a PM and then if you want to answer it you can do so in the thread. This is way safer than the traditional more direct communication with a player.
And if any hosts have anything they're wondering about regarding a game, they should really just ask someone about it. There are tons and tons of helpful hosts on this forum.
dunno if this happens often and maybe it will just go away on its own if we ignore but i just remembered this thread so here's a bump anyway
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There are some prty simple things that host's could do to improve games that should be standard.
And it would not interfere with the games.
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It has become more and more a general trend.
Nothing you can do about it. People will just always "forget" they are not supposed to play the game when they are hosting it..
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On March 01 2015 12:55 prplhz wrote:
would you look at this thread
I haven't played mafia for a good while so I don't know if this is a general trend but in the two games I've played this Februrary there have been some questionable decisions from the hosts. I doubt any of it was intentional but it's still something we should try to prevent.
Host should just stop interferring with games because players don't play games to have it interferred with by a host. A good idea is to volunteer all information in the beginning of the game and then completely ignore any and all questions. Simply don't communicate with your players about the game after the game has started. Another good idea is not to answer questions posted in the thread. If players need additional information they can send you a PM and then if you want to answer it you can do so in the thread. This is way safer than the traditional more direct communication with a player.
And if any hosts have anything they're wondering about regarding a game, they should really just ask someone about it. There are tons and tons of helpful hosts on this forum.
dunno if this happens often and maybe it will just go away on its own if we ignore but i just remembered this thread so here's a bump anyway
Yes pls.
Not letting people ask questions in the thread is a good start.
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United Kingdom10443 Posts
Yeh just don't ask mod any questions.
Mods dont talk in the thread except vote count.
I dont know what questions people need to ask anyway.
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