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sinani206
United States1959 Posts
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OriginalName
Canada1140 Posts
On June 06 2011 10:28 youngminii wrote: Guys if you won't listen to logic, can you at least listen to math? IF, IF Sinani is vet, then we will be losing a pretty big town power role. Honestly, do you really want to risk that instead of waiting one more day for a confirmation? Most, if not all, of the mafia would definitely agree with the lynch on Sinani (assuming he is vet). Don't get caught up in the bandwagoning imo. man if sinani ends up being scum i'm never gonna play mafia ever again Just saying, he was an aybsmal vet in the first place, what scum in his right mind would shoot him. A Vet who is not shot is just a vanilla townie. It's not a huge loss in the end. | ||
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sinani206
United States1959 Posts
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youngminii
Australia7514 Posts
On June 06 2011 10:33 OriginalName wrote: Just saying, he was an aybsmal vet in the first place, what scum in his right mind would shoot him. A Vet who is not shot is just a vanilla townie. It's not a huge loss in the end. This is so stupid i i holy fuck | ||
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youngminii
Australia7514 Posts
prplhz Palmar Mataza stefftastiq OriginalName You're all on my huge FoS list if Sinani flips non-red. I can't think of any reason why you all have such a strong opinion about lynching him. His actions are very non-scummy. If he had mafia friends I'd assume they'd try to change discussion to something else other than lynching him. Basically makes half the players <.< Also, Varpulis jumping around with his voting pattern, basically accusing everyone. Don't know what to make of that, just noting it. As for my vote, I'm basically defending Sinani now and I agree with Varpulis' plan. Also: Just saying, he was an aybsmal townie in the first place. It's not a huge loss in the end. ##Vote OriginalName | ||
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prplhz
Denmark8045 Posts
Town should never rely on blues like that. What is this confirmation we can get on day2 that you are talking about? And if we were going to lynch somebody else who would you suggest? Kavdragon and Palmar? And why do you think they would be better lynches? But yea I'm also beginning to have doubts about sinani206's scummyness but I don't see anybody else with a strong case against them and with so little potential for doing something good for town on day2. | ||
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Palmar
Iceland22633 Posts
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Palmar
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Kavdragon
United States1251 Posts
The discussion today went well imo. There was pressure, people who weren't posting started, and the people that I felt were scumiest from early in the day got looked at. (sinani for posting completely out of place post count lists.) + Show Spoiler [Day 1 Lynch] + I know this is a bit late in the day, but let me make my opinions on the day 1 lynch clear: Lynching a lurker day 1 is good. This is why: First, it pressures people to stop lurking. We we only "pressure" without actually being willing to lynch, then the pressure is a facade, and people can safely lurk all they want. Second, lurkers cannot be analysed later because there will be little to no information that we can use to analyse them by. Beyond that, we have several newer players in this game, and as is well known new scum players tend to lurk. (Not every new scum player, but the majority). This means that are more likly to find a player amongst the lurkers than we are amongst the more vocal people in the town. For this reason, untill we are able to look at more information (i.e. day 2) I suggest we lynch a lurker. Now, I think that I need to clarify what I mean by a lurker: A lurker is someone who is not posting much, but more importantly is someone who is putting very little content in thier posts. (Content being original ideas, opinions, and reads) + Show Spoiler [For Palmar] + Simply lynching the person who is the most inactive as a policy lynch isn't a great idea, i agree. However, there's no way that the town would ever simply pick the most inactive person so I think that your dissagreement is misplaced. There is a group of inactive players atm, and out of that group we should pick the scumiest. Should we be gunning for sucm? Absolutely, but we have to think ahead also. Day 1 lynch is natoriously hard to get right, so let's do two things to make sure we come out on top at the end of it: 1 If it's we lynch a townie, then let's make sure it's one of the useless townies. If we aren't too sure who is scum, let's shoot into the group that statistically will have a higher percentage of scum in it: Lurkers. Keeping all that in mind, we scum hunt as usual, but we keep the spotlight on that group. I'm not saying that we shouldn't pressure people, we shouldn't discuss, we shouldn't hunt. We should do all of those things. But at the end of the day, we play it safe and lynch someone who is not contributing, and soneone who will be hard to analyse later. All in all it's the best choice to make unless someone makes a big scum slip. Discuss who is scummy. Pressure people. Lynch a lurker. They are not mutually exclusive. + Show Spoiler [Veteran Claim] + I don´t know what good a designated town leader/coordinator does in a game without PMs. Since everything he says is in the open, he cannot coordinate night actions without letting the scum know it. That leaves analysis and scumhunting, for which we don´t need a leader. Actually a single, declared leader is detrimental, as it can devolve into "follow the leader" and scum sucking up to him. This is exactly what I was trying to say earlier. A leader does us no good in this game. It only puts a bigger target on our most valuable player. If we all contribute then it doesn't matter who dies, the rest of the town caries on. If we leave it up to a few leaders the mafia can snipe them and then roflstomp the rest of the inactive town. In anycase, I think the point has been made, and it's up to the vet to decide to do the right thing and remain annonomous. ------------------------- Reading up now, will respond to current events (the vet claim) | ||
GMarshal
United States22154 Posts
Vote Count, day 1 Mataza (0) prplhz (1) dementrio youngminii(1) JeeJee unichan(1) Kavdragon stefftastiq (0) sinani206(6) prplhz Mataza stefftastiq unichan Varpulis OriginalName Palmar(0) Kavdragon(0) OriginalName(3) sinani206 youngminii Palmar Sinani currently to be lynched. About 15minutes left in the day. Make sure to yell at me if I miscounted the votes | ||
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sinani206
United States1959 Posts
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Kavdragon
United States1251 Posts
So I was going to press for Original Name, becaues he was lurking back and not posting much other than defence. This claim (which sinani's been painfully obviously hinting at for the since he asked if a vet could be lynched) is changing things. If I were mafia, and I was about to be lynched, I would 100% claim vet. It's not confirmable unless you are shot, and obviously the mafia isn't going to shoot their own member. After they claim vet they have an excuse to be alive for the rest of the game "Because the mafia know that I am a vet". In short, the vet claim makes me think more than anything that Sinani is scum. I think I think that the vet claim is a last ditch attempt to save their own, and by the looks of it it's going pretty well. ##Unvote ##Vote Sinani | ||
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Kavdragon
United States1251 Posts
Since there has been a vet claim, and people are defending him, that reason is void, and I am left with a strong scum read. | ||
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sinani206
United States1959 Posts
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Kavdragon
United States1251 Posts
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youngminii
Australia7514 Posts
On June 06 2011 10:42 prplhz wrote: @youngminii Town should never rely on blues like that. What is this confirmation we can get on day2 that you are talking about? And if we were going to lynch somebody else who would you suggest? Kavdragon and Palmar? And why do you think they would be better lynches? But yea I'm also beginning to have doubts about sinani206's scummyness but I don't see anybody else with a strong case against them and with so little potential for doing something good for town on day2. Okay, we are not relying on blues, this must be a misconception of yours. Relying on blues is more like when a cop claims and we rely on the doctor to repeatedly save the cop and hope that there's no roleblocker and that the mafia don't snipe the doctor. Withholding a lynch against someone who claimed vet so that we're sure we don't snipe a blue is definitely, NOT, relying on a blue. I didn't actually say we could confirm that he was a vet, but I suppose a cop could do it. My line of reasoning is that there's no reason to lynch him now when we can lynch him later if he continues to be scummy. Kavdragon has (had) very little posts with content. Basically he said let's lynch lurkers and then didn't post. I've already had a case on Palmar. As for YOU, you've literally gone and sheeped along with the sinani case I can only see this as a way to absolve your sins once (if) sinani does flip non-red. | ||
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JeeJee
Canada5652 Posts
re: the big issue which is the vet claim On June 06 2011 04:43 sinani206 wrote: Does a lynch kill a veteran a little random, don't you think? a soft-claim perhaps? non-convincing BUT On June 06 2011 07:02 sinani206 wrote: I don't understand why everyone is voting for me. I've tried my hardest. Let's actually lynch a mafia and then vigilante can kill me if he wants. I also don't understand why everyone is unvoting steff. All he did was OMGUS vote me. Emphasis mine. what an interesting idea for someone that's a vet, don't you think? auto-confirmed via vigi. I'm not convinced but if he were vet, his actions are explainable. That said, day 1 is always a crapshoot, but these 2 things make lynching sinani very nervous endeavour for me and i'd rather stay on the safe side (nobody's voting minii anyway despite my arguments) and ##vote:OriginalName since that's the only other feasible target tonight | ||
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youngminii
Australia7514 Posts
On June 06 2011 10:51 Kavdragon wrote: So I'll be honest here. I saw giant bandwagon on a player who had no one really defending them. That is a town tell for me. Don't get me wrong, I think that sinari looks scummy, but that big of a landslide of votes is not going to happen to a mafia player. So I was going to press for Original Name, becaues he was lurking back and not posting much other than defence. This claim (which sinani's been painfully obviously hinting at for the since he asked if a vet could be lynched) is changing things. If I were mafia, and I was about to be lynched, I would 100% claim vet. It's not confirmable unless you are shot, and obviously the mafia isn't going to shoot their own member. After they claim vet they have an excuse to be alive for the rest of the game "Because the mafia know that I am a vet". In short, the vet claim makes me think more than anything that Sinani is scum. I think I think that the vet claim is a last ditch attempt to save their own, and by the looks of it it's going pretty well. ##Unvote ##Vote Sinani I ask one last time to reconsider. If you were mafia and you were about to be lynched, you would claim vet. If you were vet and you were about to be lynched, you would claim vet. It's a non-valid argument. If you still feel strongly that Sinani is the scummiest, then I can't stop you. | ||
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Palmar
Iceland22633 Posts
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JeeJee
Canada5652 Posts
the thing I find striking about "vigi can hit me if he wants" is that normally, claimers would say "cop can check me if he wants". unless of course you happen to have a second life. | ||
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