EPTOn May 30 2011 22:50 deconduo wrote:
Ok looking for one replacement for gtrsrs. I'm only missing two roles as well
Ok looking for one replacement for gtrsrs. I'm only missing two roles as well
perfect, can i get "/in"?
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On May 31 2011 02:11 Varpulis wrote: hold on hold on hold on. This kid should be in the newbie game. Just sent him a PM. On May 31 2011 02:52 Kurumi wrote: We've got a: a) Smurf b) Troll c) Total newbie every is bad i'm not a kid, i'm not a smurf, i'm not a troll, and i'm not a newbie i play a ton on epicmafia and i host a mafia forum myself i'm just new to THIS site in particular good to know we've got people who are ready to policy-lynch before anything has even been posted tho | ||
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if that's a legit role with a post-restriction, that's absolutely brilliant and is gonna make this game a blast cheers to that second, i know i'm about 5 pages late on this but holy shit this thread is moving fast. i wanted to chime in that i'm also against a LAL policy. there are tons of cases where lying can help the town. especially in a game where no one knows any of the roles except for the one they created, you have NO IDEA if someone else could be lying to set up a master plan to help the town win or something. of course this works both ways and i'm sure i'm preaching to the choir here because you're mostly experienced players. what i'm saying is that we should focus more on scumhunting than policy lynches also forgive me for being naive, but someone mentioned using night-powers to off liars instead of lynches. isn't that a poor choice? i'm assuming there are at least a couple interceptor-type roles. in the last game that i played, i was a vigilante and i was terrified to shoot anyone who i had drawn suspicion to during the day because i always thought the interceptor would kill me if i tried. i always tried to get my FoS's lynched during the day, even with a fool active. lastly, without wanting to give anything away, i feel like redFF, in that i don't think my role is going to play a huge role in the game. so i hope i can contribute via scumhunting and quality posts instead | ||
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On May 31 2011 06:35 sandroba wrote: Make your posts concise because this thread is quickly turning into a spam fest. disagree. make your posts LONG and information-packed because this thread is quickly turning into a spam-fest. the more concise our posts the more posts we will have. make longer posts and spend more time on them so we have more to analyze instead | ||
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when is a good time to start making lists of people that haven't posted at all? near the end of the first day or nowish? i suppose that would be a good place to start, as in my experience it's always wisest to lynch inactives first since they're likely bored with a bad role (or in non full-role games, bored townies) or mafia trying to lie low | ||
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on the forum i host, our longest game was 30 pages (with ~30 players) for like a 7 day game and even then i was telling everyone they should be less spammy faggots and post more content. sooooooo many posts in this thread so far are just people parroting what other people say. can you stop posting if your post is going to contain 3 lines or less? it just makes it too easy for someone else to come in 3 pages later (when your post has already been forgotten) and say the exact same thing, like "EVERYONE NEEDS TO STOP MAKING LISTS HERP" which makes it look like they're contributing like aren't most of you vets? isn't this common knowledge already? ^also i know i look like a hypocrite by just parroting to stop parroting. herp. anyways this got touched on a few pages ago but i want to re-emphasize it because it rang some serious alarm bells for me On May 31 2011 04:00 redFF wrote: role received. I will find the scum by any means possible! On May 31 2011 06:04 redFF wrote: I don't actually see a point in the game where my role can be useful... On May 31 2011 08:40 redFF wrote: Ok, I'm gonna claim. I'm an interrogator. What is that? I can vote somebody to be lynched, and I will be allowed to exchange pm's with the person I voted for the rest of the day. I'm going to vote Amber so I can talk to him and get to the bottom of this whole situation. I don't see anybody else who i feel like pm'ing today to be perfectly honest. My role is not that powerful, I am not a powerful player. Me claiming can only be good for town. Scum won't hit me(I think) because my role is far less powerful than some of the other roles currently in play. They also have far better/more experienced people to hit than me. If anyone has a problem with my claim please say so, but i feel like this is the correct decision to make at this stage. On May 31 2011 08:45 redFF wrote: I figured out a way i could be useful chaos btw. ^that last one to me, might as well read On May 31 2011 08:45 redFF wrote: DAMAGE CONTROL DAMAGE CONTROL DAMAGE CONTROL DAMAGE CONTROL how would anyone NOT see that as useful initially? some serious WIFOM going on IMO. or maybe a scum slip. anyways, yes i did ignore a lot of his posts, which were pro-town, like this one: On May 31 2011 05:51 redFF wrote: Yes we don't claim who chose roles for who because then mafia would kill the people who chose their roles and claim whatever they wanted! but with someone mentioning that maybe amber was faking (a definite possibility), redFF could be jumping on that and making up a fake role that can communicate with his mafia bro. and of course publicly, he's saying that amber can't communicate with him to throw off the scent (pardon the pun  )those are my thoughts! | ||
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On May 31 2011 10:13 redFF wrote: Alright Desk I'm pretty sure if I was fake claiming a role the person who gave me my real role would be attacking me pretty hard and nobody seems to fit that bill quite yet. Also Pretty bad but still :D Yeah i understand i spammed a lot at the beginning I've tried and will continue to try and cut down on my one line/crap posts. regarding the first half of this - how would they? deconduo has made it quite clear that we are not to discuss who got picked to give who their role. in fact, today is your BEST shot at getting away with a fake claim IMO. On May 31 2011 10:10 Jackal58 wrote: Most of my posts are always 3 lines or less. Get over yourself. more spam, more dilution of the thread, less chances to catch slips. i point this out, you quote it and spam some more. even if you aren't mafia (and i don't see this as a scum slip by any means), it's anti-town to spam for spamming's sake. so, why are you doing it, just to spite a new player? | ||
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On May 31 2011 10:40 tnkted wrote: deskscaress, don't bother arguing with jackal, its pointless. hes gonna do what he wants regardless of what anyone else says. And yes, this is extremely spammy for one of our games. generally we're a bit calmer. k i was just about to ask if he was the guy that held up lynch votes just so he could hammer and always voted for someone who had no votes just to be difficult cause it seems like it. but i guess you answered essentially the same question also, good to know that it will slow down slightly. i know this is a more website-related question but can someone tell me (or PM me if you don't want to clutter the thread) how to put more posts per page if possible? also, i like what someone said up above about posting in here who you want to vote for before you post in the voting thread so we can track wagons. that being said, my vote today is going to go for ##redFF for reasons stated in my last two posts. BOOM. | ||
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On May 31 2011 10:57 Cthsazsa wrote: So your voting for him solely because you think that he is lying about his roleclaim?? Remember, we're trying to kill scum, and you didn't even state why you think he is scum. I like how you also ignored my posts regarding him -_- no, i'm not even saying i think he IS lying about his roleclaim. i'm just saying he COULD be. sorry i missed your earlier post. lots going on in this thread. i'll address it now On May 31 2011 10:45 Cthsazsa wrote: I honestly believe redFF's roleclaim. Meapak, if you are FoSing him because of that, please start tunneling him or something. The only reason why I think you would FoS him is because you're the man who gave him a role. No one has countered redFF's claim, so I think it's safe to say we drop that? i'm FoSing him because he claimed he would find the scum, then claimed he wouldn't be able to help us, then claimed a role, then claimed he had an epiphany that he WOULD be able to help us. to me that just felt like damage control. i'm not buying the FoS's on Valipus or w/e yet, and no one else has appeared scummy to me. i do understand that we are trying to kill scum, but likewise, you must also understand that we have very little to go on. no official information at all. no night kills, no reports, no PMs. all we have are claims. and in an "everyone has a different power" game, why would ANYONE counterclaim a role? like i said, redFF very well could have a useless role and then he made up a role that "communicates" with the one person that the rest of us can't get a straight answer out of. that's scummy to me. we need to lynch someone and he's my only FoS right now that being said, beyond Palmar's bro-type posting, has anyone else noticed that he's typed Valipus as "ValipuS" several times, including the voting thread? i'm not gonna comb back over his posts (and for all i know the second is the proper way to write it, and no one else is doing that) and i could be creating a false memory but i could swear he keeps doing that :s | ||
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On May 31 2011 11:07 deskscaress wrote: that being said, beyond Palmar's bro-type posting, has anyone else noticed that he's typed Valipus as "ValipuS" several times, including the voting thread? i want to correct this, sorry. "ValpuriS" instead of Valpuris also +1 to everything that chaos reiterated and explained better than i did. redFF is super scummy to me right now | ||
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so i guess all i want to know is are you used to this much posting? or is this new to you? | ||
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On May 31 2011 15:41 VisceraEyes wrote: I might loathe myself in the morning, but with company like GM, Node and tnkted so far... #fistpound Palmar yo, was this wise? i wanna analyze the fistbump shit a bit. we have no reason, first of all, to believe that On May 31 2011 15:38 Palmar wrote: - Fistpounds are self-only, they do not affect the bro doing the pounding he's fistbumped some players that others have marked as good players. he could be setting up hit targets or protection. but that being said i'm gonna say that i believe him, because i want more to focus on the second point On May 31 2011 15:38 Palmar wrote: - I need them fistbumps to perform ma role, I really need at least one more okay so he needs at least 4 fistbumps to do his role. does his role get better if he gets more? are these people he's investigating (maybe a panty-raid sort of fratboy related role?) or something? is he a town-drunk type role, but he needs to get at least 4 people to party with him (and he blocks all of them)? if it's a town-blocking role, he went after good players for a reason - he's mafia. if it's an investigative reason then we've potentially given him a TON of info for free. i'd suggest against fistbumping more til we can get some info with all that in mind, if he IS an investigative role, and he flips mafia when he dies, i think we can clear at least these four people because he obviously wouldn't need to bump his mafia bros. of course we can't ACTUALLY clear them because WIFOM etc. but what if the stipulation is that he needs fistbumps from people of the opposite faction to get his thing to work? then can we clear them? yes. but obviously we won't know this info until later. i mean if he's town and he has a valuable role we obviously wanna be fistbumping the shit out of him, but i think without knowing his alignment, enabling him to do his role (which is probably pretty strong if it has in-thread requirements before he can do it) is really risky. this is not an FoS on VisceralEyes or Palmar, btw. just some musing | ||
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On June 01 2011 01:11 Karshe wrote: I would like to hear more from Deskscaress, having read through his posts this morning. No clue what this means... Endorsing lying doesn't really sit well with me this early on. Great! I look forward to your in-depth analysis! Great! I look forward to your long and information-packed analysis! Here's your next post coming up: Wow, this is a fantastic contribution to our game. I'm sure glad you're so committed to in-depth and well thought out posts. Also, I find it amusing that later in the thread you berate me for mentioning the fast moving thread when you yourself have already complained about it. The second half of the above post involved dissecting RedFF's blunder which had already been a major talking point of the town. But, wait... you just said you're so anti-parroting. Really? This is one of your famous non-spammy, quality posts? And here is the gem that really caught my eye and encouraged me to go take a look through your posts. Totally disagree with this. You don't know if it's an investigative role, unless Palmar told you in mafia PMs. For all we know Palmar could have a bro-fist deathray and it powers up after having 5 fistbumps. In which case, mafia would be more than obliged to fistbump him. I don't feel like we'll ever be able to clear anyone that has fistbumped Palmar even after learning his alignment, and I feel like this is mafia trying to give themselves an easy defense later. "But but... Palmar fistbumped me and he was mafia." i don't really think half-quoting half of my posts and "replying" to them in a snarky self-tone counts as analysis imo i will address three of these tho: 1 On May 31 2011 03:59 deskscaress wrote: day 2 rolls around and i will *vanish in a puff of smoke* ^not a hint to my role i was trying to make a joke, then i realized that in making that joke, people would think i was hinting at my role. i don't think you quoted the whole post though because there was another line afterwards which said something about WIFOMing. i just think in an all-hidden, all-role game anything you posted can be construed as a hint towards something and i wanted to poke fun at that. APOLOGIES IN ORDER. 2. On May 31 2011 11:07 deskscaress wrote: i want to correct this, sorry. "ValpuriS" instead of Valpuris also +1 to everything that chaos reiterated and explained better than i did. redFF is super scummy to me right now you are right, that was not a great post. i had remembered valpuris congratulating someone on spelling his name correctly earlier in the post and as he is a veteran of the board, i didn't want to be insulting by completely fucking up his name. additionally, chaos did a much better job of saying the exact reasons that i 3. Totally disagree with this. You don't know if it's an investigative role, unless Palmar told you in mafia PMs. For all we know Palmar could have a bro-fist deathray and it powers up after having 5 fistbumps. In which case, mafia would be more than obliged to fistbump him. I don't feel like we'll ever be able to clear anyone that has fistbumped Palmar even after learning his alignment, and I feel like this is mafia trying to give themselves an easy defense later. "But but... Palmar fistbumped me and he was mafia." you're... right? i don't KNOW it's an investigative role at all. hence why i offered several suggestions as to what it COULD be. i'm leaning more towards it's a town-drunk group-meeting useless-ify role. a "bro" is typically one of two things: there's your little-known emo crowd "bro," who in that culture, is a kid that loves the same music as the rest of the scenesters, but is the guy that wears tank tops and moshes and plays sports and likes more pop-punk than the rest of the kiddoes. these guys aren't noted for talking in the "bro-talk" that palmar is using. then you have the much more classic "college frat bro" which palmar's role seems to hint at. what are frat-bags known for? drinking, statuatory rape, being idiots, drinking, partying, obsessing over sorority girls... i'm just thinking back to the role *i* designed. the little quirks that it has make sense in context of what the role is supposed to depict. i would assume that the creator of palmar's role would do the same. bros aren't known for charging up their lasers or deathrays. bros aren't martyrs, they're party-goers. bros also aren't known for being particularly secretive with their frat-mates (except about initiation rights!!! new thought!!) so i doubt it's a PM circle. and you're wrong. we will be able to make deductions about who is mafia and who is town based on who chooses to fistbump palmar. it might not be as easy as "he bumped bumatlarge, bumatlarge is clear," but we WILL have info to go off of. if he had some powerful death lazer as you predict and he only needed 4 bumps from people of any faction, why wouldn't the mafia just pile on the bumps? anyways i have dwelt too long on palmar's role now. my original point stands, in that On May 31 2011 16:06 deskscaress wrote: this is not an FoS on VisceralEyes or Palmar, btw. just some musing but now i want to turn around onto YOU, Karshe. i can't tell if you're tunneling me because you're bad (which you have made it quite clear that you feel that way about yourself in this topic), which would explain your half-assed analysis; or if you're tunneling me because i called you bad earlier in the topic. so what gives? | ||
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On June 01 2011 06:10 Rean wrote: Am I the only one that's being seriously disturbed by the fact that Kurumi is consistently typing You with a capital letter? dude i was this close to PMing him asking him to stop typing it that way XD | ||
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On June 01 2011 06:55 sandroba wrote: Seems like no one reads my posts. How exactly will mafia be LESS suspicious by claiming some random shit after the player that could confirm his role is dead???????? Sure they CAN claim and there's is no one to say they are lying but how does that helps them blend in????? because if everyone is claiming, NOT claiming a bogus role would be not blending in? being quiet =/= blending in if the whole crowd is claiming their picks herp | ||
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Townie A made a really shitty role for Mafia X Townie B made a really good role for Mafia Y everyone claims. Mafia Y uses his role to get Mafia X lynched. no one lied so no one looks suspicious, we clear Mafia Y and we lose. claiming anything is just so dumb in wide open situations like this knowledge is power and we should work on a need-to-know basis, especially without PMs | ||
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On June 01 2011 12:18 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Also, GM your survey is horribly scummy, no one continue responding to it. On June 01 2011 12:39 VisceraEyes wrote: Okay, I've got a survey. 1) Which do you consider to be more scummy; Active Lurking or Thread Derailment? 2) During the night, who do you think is going to be a top-priority target for Mafia? 3) Given the opportunity to Bro-fist Palmar, would you do it? 4) Between GM, Node and BC, who do you think has the most town cred based on this thread alone? 5) Between GM, Node and BC, who do you think controls the opinions of others the most? 6) Between Palmar's frattiness and red's Masonry, who's role do you find the most interesting based on information you have now? 7) Assuming you had the entire town's ear and you know everyone would believe you, what do you want to say FIRST? If anyone doesn't feel comfortable answering my inane questions, feel free to ignore them. Everyone else, take note of who doesn't want to answer my inane questions. ![[image loading]](http://i54.tinypic.com/et64h2.gif) thanks, i was starting to feel like maybe my vote for redFF was a bad choice. much easier decision now #lynch: VisceraEyes | ||
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On June 01 2011 13:28 sinani206 wrote: Wait desks is that a KINGLYNCH I see? On June 01 2011 13:35 sinani206 wrote: Wait has no one noticed desks #lynch? Now we know that there is a kingmaker somewhere or maybe desks is a permanent king. i don't know what a KINGLYNCH is  i'm sorry what did i do wrong? if you're referring to #lynch, i thought everyone wanted us to vote in the discussion thread as well as in the voting thread? i was just voicing my changed vote, i do not have the power to instantly lynch anyone. is it improper to use #lynch on this forum? i will not do so in the future. consider me to have said #vote viseraeyes instead | ||
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wayyyy too much name calling and back-and-forth between people even the people who are telling us to get back on track keep derailing us anyways, 2 things i don't want to give torte de lini a free pass here but i don't want anyone to overlook this either: On June 02 2011 00:42 Torte de Lini wrote: This is the last post I can make for today's mafia (before night cycle comes, etc.). I'm obviously a newbie, not sure why you need to ask that. Just because I'm new doesn't mean I can't make my own logical assessments and use my own intuition. I understand in your rage and frustration, you are compelled to overlook my words, so I'll quote it for you: "I don't understand, to me it's just ignorance which is individual-based and not mafia or town oriented at all." Additionally, I ask now are there neutral-based alignments in this game as well I asked: "How many mafia players are in this game anyways?" I'd ask you to come back to me when you get your shit together, but I can't post anymore. If my vote is a throwaway on you, that's fine because I felt we haven't really accomplished anything but pure and utter confusion. is tortelini soft-claiming a post-restriction of like 5 posts? i would think if that was the case he would have used stronger language like "i'm not allowed to post more than 5 times per day" or something like that, rather than "i can't post any more." the latter allows lots of interpretation, like real life restrictions. i think we should keep an eye on if he posts elsewhere in the site before the day is over. either way i think this might just be a cop-out so he doesn't have to respond to pressure or help the town any more. he might be mafia about to crumble or he might be a townie with nothing to offer. a few-post-per-day-restriction is going to make it very hard for us to analyze him or get information about him. would this be worth a lynch just to rid us of him early? it's not like he's been using his paltry amount of posts per day for anything useful thusfar considering #vote: torte de lini right now. i want to hear other peoples' reads on the idea tho second thing: On June 02 2011 02:07 VisceraEyes wrote: Okay, it appears that no one is as suspicious as I am of BC...I don't count GM as he voted BC as a safe vote that no one else will make. As such, I'm going to ##Unvote and take a look at those who are presently leading the votes, being Tackster, Sandroba tnkted and myself. Obviously I'm not going to post analysis of myself, someone else feel free to do that. @Everyone who views my survey as scummy: good job, you picked up the entire point of my survey. Anyone who thinks it looks like scum looking for advice, let me ask you this: why would I ask town for advice to hit instead of Mafia, whom I would have secret contact with? Think, people. I'm not scum. As for now, besides BloodyC0bbler, who continues to look MORE scummy to me, not less, I'm going to point out Hiro Protagonist to everyone. I'm not going to analyze him right now, as I have a plan (see above) and don't have time. it's like he's never even heard of WIFOM... bro, you OBVIOUSLY aren't asking the town for advice on who to hit. the whole point of your post is to see where the medic's attention is. you're trying to bait a couple posts from people that say shit like "IF I WAS MAFIA I WOULD KILL DESKSCARESS BECAUSE HE IS THE BEST PLAYER" because then you'll know where the medics will be. come on. no one is that dumb. also i find it really unnerving that GMarshal, supposedly an experienced, good player, tried to vote for himself that gets a big "uh, okay?" from me | ||
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On June 02 2011 02:44 Jackal58 wrote: Many times voting for oneself is fine here. Actually more often than not. ah, thanks i've never seen that before in any game except when a fool was involved so it bothered me On June 02 2011 02:48 VisceraEyes wrote: @desk If I'm so obviously mafia baiting for information, why not vote to lynch me instead of Torte, someone who you're clearly NOT sure about? I'll tell you why. Because I'm NOT obviously mafia baiting for information. defensive much? why are you so worried, scummy? i haven't changed my vote to tortelini yet, i clearly mentioned that i was just considering it. my vote is still on you champ, and it will stay there unless others agree that tortelini's soft-claim was fishy On June 02 2011 02:49 Kurumi wrote: Desk,Your "Torte claiming" thing has no sense,he probably has irl things,easy as that. About Viscera,yeah it is weird,but he is a bit new. Voting for Yourself or a safe player is a placeholder,GMarshal explained that,huge post,not much though. actually it makes a lot of sense. he's posted elsewhere on the site since he said he couldn't post any more. only one post but i'm going to keep an eye on him in case there's more. why are you so quick to let him go though? i don't think ANYTHING in a game this complex is "easy as that." | ||
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On June 02 2011 05:55 chaos13 wrote: What does that role even do? please someone answer does he get to shoot someone if he's lynched? like a hunter role? | ||
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On June 02 2011 06:03 VisceraEyes wrote: I guess I'm just a loose cannon. I'm still playing the game, but everyone wants me dead. Time's up. hey everyone look at me i'm angry and i'm going to gamethrow! | ||
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On June 02 2011 06:12 redFF wrote: No i dont think we were allowed to collaborate in role picks. Bum probably has another role, but he was assigned batman's joker by either the host or the person that picked the role. didn't the role description make it quite clear that bum and BloodyC0bbler were not of the same alignment? BC flipped town so we can be quite sure that bum will not, imo. independent or mafia, either way he will not be helping town this game. either we hit him tonight or lynch him tomorrow in my eyes | ||
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On June 02 2011 06:23 Kurumi wrote: "To shut them up" What? Why? you spam, you derail,You type in a fashion,that's hard to read, you spam, you spam, you spam... honestly you probably have some contributions so far but they are so far outweighed by your useless posts that it's not even worth keeping you around. i'm with palmar on this one | ||
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my idea: don't kill sinani tonight lynch bum tomorrow resurrect BC tomorrow night via killing sinani boom, BC is back with no clauses to put him away either way i think we should lynch bum tomorrow because he is not town. sorry bum | ||
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On June 02 2011 09:46 deskscaress wrote: hey deconduo, assuming sinani is telling the truth and he will try to revive BC, what will happen to BC is he is revived AFTER bum is killed? is his "retirement" clause then null since he had nothing to do with bum's death? my idea: don't kill sinani tonight lynch bum tomorrow resurrect BC tomorrow night via killing sinani boom, BC is back with no clauses to put him away either way i think we should lynch bum tomorrow because he is not town. sorry bum quoting this because if deconduo answered it, i missed it, and i honestly think this is a better course of action then bringing back BC if that means we need to keep a CONFIRMED NON-TOWN alive also, as an update on Torte De Lini who claimed last night that he couldn't post any more (i hypothesized that this was likely a soft-claim on a posting restriction, kurumi adamantly stated it was just IRL obligations), he has posted 13 times on TL.net since then, with 0 in this thread. DING DING DING SCUMBELL IS RINGING, I WANT AN EXPLANATION | ||
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