Sleeper Cell Mafia

On April 25 2011 07:36 tnkted wrote:
Yep, got mine too.

This is going to be an interesting game, I got a strange role.

On April 25 2011 07:41 tnkted wrote:
Lol GM, the cell leader's messages can't possibly have gone out yet, the game hasn't even started yet.

I'm not crumbing, I'm just honestly stating that my role is strange.

Here:

WEIRD ROLE, DUDES

Welcome to Sleeper Cell Mafia you are The Mystic Avenger you live only to quench your thirst of vengeance. You will kill those bastards that murdered your family, see if you wont! You win when the serial killer and the Mass Murderer are dead. Thankfully you have some equipment to help you.

1.) Astral tables: Quite easy to use all you do is submit a number equal to the leading coefficient of the sum of all vowels used in all of your posts, ever, and then submit this number to the mod and three outside sources, if you figured it out right you will be told the astral signs of all players in the game, you know that the SK and MM are both sagitarius.

2.) Avenging Blade- its a sword of pure flame, you use it to smite the enemy, at any point you may type ##Smite Player in the thread and the player will be killed, if you hit an innocent (someone who has not killed anyone) the blade kills you as well.

3.) True Faith- If you die you may PM the mod a 100 word or less prayer. it will be edited into the OP as "divine revelation". Also you are immune to one night kill or one lynch, whichever comes first.

On April 25 2011 07:52 tnkted wrote:
...fuck

##smite GMarshal

On April 25 2011 10:32 Jackal58 wrote:
I am going to be here until shortly after the day post guys. I get up before 5 for work so I gotta get some sleep. I just don't want to wake up to screams of "lurker"
I don't lurk. I sleep.

On April 25 2011 21:41 sandroba wrote:
I think this discussion about breadcrumbs is not productive at all, specially if you reveal your strategy before you put it in practice. Doing what you are suggesting is going to make scumhunting more difficult imo. Also I don't think that's the way mafia is going to identify each other, as there are several other more obvious ways I can think of.

On April 25 2011 21:57 Vain wrote:


Well for instance the cell leader could hint them who is who. It is stated in the first post that the cell leader is allowed to breadcrumb. He can also send that pm at dusk and down so in theory he could give some direction to who to vote for to lynch at dawn and also who to hit at dusk.

On April 25 2011 22:38 Impervious wrote:
Guys, this talk about breadcrumbing is nice and all, but I don't see it going much further at the moment. We should probably wait a while before bringing this up, so we can catch a slip up. Especially if they are trying to hide their posting in the thread.

I think we should talk about the pros and cons of of double-checking anyone who gets the result of "insufficient analysis", to make it easier on the DT.

The pros of double checking are that you are more sure of the result. The cons are that you could be checking someone else instead, therefore checking more people. I really think the cons outweigh the pros in this case.

Thoughts?

On April 26 2011 00:29 Rean wrote:
the fuck is this shit.

youre discussing how the gf can crumb in his messages WHEN THATS USELESS TO TOWN.
seriously, we dont give a fuck how they crumb because we wont find out about it anyway if mafia is even half-decent.

and now you're even making cutesy lists on who you would message if you were the GF? STOP BEING USELESS. seriously, you people are randomly discussing things that don't get us anywhere.

fos list so far:

ace/tnkted/more idiots filling the thread with bullshit lists

On April 26 2011 00:43 Ace wrote:
Good job Rean, contribute more please. You're path to the lynch wagon won't take long with shit posts like that.

Post your lists or at least give some damn good reasons why this is useless.

On April 26 2011 02:13 Zorkmid wrote:


Ok, read through the whole thread, no idea what list it is that I have to post...

On April 26 2011 05:59 Tackster wrote:


How does revealing this help town?

On April 25 2011 11:53 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
Keep in mind that scum can kill scum as well.

I think something we should watch out for is people trying to manipulate or send messages to scum about how to act, as that will help us pick out the GF. As soon as a few scum start popping up, we should be able to draw connections between them and other players, and hopefully find a common point in the GF. The hard part will be when we kill the GF, because then a new one is selected. When that happens we have to be careful to observe who is changing their behavior towards other players unexpectedly, because this could be a sign of the new GF who suddenly has all the other agent names.

On April 25 2011 12:29 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
Of course scum-hunting is going to be the best way to find scum, but breadcrumbs are also a good way of finding out the cell leader. It looks like he can only send one PM to one of his people per morning/evening, which means that he's going to have to find a way to get information out to them otherwise, or else he'll have no way to contact more than a couple of them. We can't really rely on the connections between players in this game, so if someone starts acting weird after PM time, maybe they're scum. Also, when we kill the GF, we can go back and look at who he was trying to direct, and who he was paying special attention to, and how.

On April 26 2011 07:20 Mr. Wiggles wrote:


I'm just thinking we can look for things that are people trying to direct mafia. We can assume that the GF is going to find a way to make himself known to his agents. This is why stuff like:



Looks somewhat scummy to me because of:



Say Darm is scum, this could be him posting a potential hit target for the other cell members, in saying who he thinks is blue. As a general rule, I don't think people should point out who they think is blue or not. If they do an analysis, and figure someone is blue, they can just as easily call them town to protect them from sniping.

I *really* like this point, I though it was evident as well, but it merits pointing out and wiggles gets a town point from me for making this point, as it warrants saying, on the other hand though it makes it obvious for any scum that missed it, which was my reason for leaving it there and hoping it stayed buried.



Well, pressure doesn't work very well when the person isn't around to see it. :p

I think you're voting for me because I made a couple posts, went to bed, and have been at school until just recently, so it looks like I'm lurking/inactive. This isn't really the case, I'm reading the thread, just a lot of my reactions and ideas will be delayed and concentrated in a few posts instead of all over until two days from now. That, or you think one of my ideas is scummy, but I just pointed out what I mean by leading the cell and breadcrumbs if that's the one you're worried about.

This is actually the reaction I would expect from a town player, if wiggles were scum I would expect a more panicked reaction, its not a very solid tell but it partially assuages the churning in my stomach that his earlier posts caused

As for breadcrumbs, you can look for people posting odd things, pictures, rhymes, ciphers, etc. Changing their signature and/or profile, writing things with the first words of every sentence or every line, stuff like that. It might be clever for scum to try, but I'm not going to obsess over it. I'm just saying that if there's something super apparent, it could easily be a mafia breadcrumb.

I think this paragraph is redundant, no mafia is going to outright post a cypher or a easy breadcrumb like the first word of every sentence/line (and yes, I am checking for that)

Now, to answer Ace. My three picks (with reasoning and follow-up) would go:

1. Ace. He's an experienced player and has a reputation as a good analyzer/arguer.
2. GMarshal. I have experience playing games with him, and think he's a good all-around player.
3. Jackal58. He tunnels a lot, and is a very aggressive poster. It would be good to get him in the know so I could use that to my advantage, and to avoid friendly fire.

Message: "Follow PI Bear, Profile" 19 characters, 4 words. All they'd have to do is look into my profile, and see the picture I have there right now, as well as the first joke sentence underneath, "Hi, I'm Mr. Wiggles the Detective Bear! No matter the type of grisly discovery, I'll always be first on the scene! I've barely been stumped in my entire career!". This would easily alert them to my identity.

This part triggers my gut once again, as its thought out way in depth, it also spells out what a non-obvious message means, which in my mind is explaining it to any of his scumbuddies to whom he might have sent the message. I'm not willing to FoS based on that but it makes me more uneasy


The next thing I would do, is at some point, either post a scumlist that contains all of the sleeper agents, +/-1, or a scumlist that contains none of them +/-1. I would be sure not to provide much reasoning, and play down it's importance, so that no one would take it too seriously. I'd then hope the one's I've contacted would be smart enough to figure out that if they're on it, others are, or if they're not on it, no one else is, as they know I'm the Cell Leader, and must be up to something.

Again detailing his plan in detail and also including how he is going to be communicating with his buddies if he is scum. If wiggles ever posts a scumlist I'd be interested to see the alignment of some of its members, as its possible wiggles has just detailed his plan so his buddies can see it. Again, it could be that wiggles has thought this out in depth, which is good, or it could be he is scum. Its not a tell for me either way, but it does make me decidedly uneasy

Follow up messages would be: "PI Bear, Profile, List (or else Not List)" to notify everyone within the shortest amount of time of who I am, and to look at the list, or not at the list.

On April 27 2011 01:01 Zorkmid wrote:
Sandroba, I think you're town. You thought the same thing about me last game too and you were town then.

By the way, you're dead wrong again.

On April 27 2011 04:27 Ace wrote:
Because I feel you are the most scummy player in the game so far. Why else would I vote for you?

On April 27 2011 08:27 GGQ wrote:


You are approaching this like a regular game. Because of the agent mechanic, the other mafia don't know if he is mafia or blue, so they won't risk hitting him.

On April 28 2011 00:36 Ace wrote:


I don't know how many games of me you've read but I don't always stick to my vote, especially not Day 1. Also with no majority lynch someone can end up dying with a couple of votes. Like Kenpachi who only died with 3 votes. How come no one went back to look at it?

Zorkmid actually ended up deciding Kenpachi's fate. Mr.Wiggles would have gotten lynched but the vote switch ended up taking out Kenpachi instead. He's also a good target to DT check and may actually be the best one.

@Impervious: Acting weird how?

On April 28 2011 02:45 Zorkmid wrote:


You over tunneled me for 2 entire games, you're just bad. Reading your posts is a waste of vitrious and aqueous humor

On April 28 2011 07:48 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
My scum play so far has just involved never being fingered as scum :p

On April 28 2011 08:00 Jackal58 wrote:

It took me a minute to figure out what you were referring to. My ride home last night was brutal. It was back to the norm tonight. Just long.

On May 06 2011 12:03 Ace wrote:
oh snap! both hosts late!

On May 06 2011 13:17 Ace wrote:


what lists?

On May 06 2011 13:30 GGQ wrote:


Not me! :D

On May 06 2011 13:52 GGQ wrote:
I missed the post, what did it say?

On May 06 2011 13:53 bumatlarge wrote:
And of course that started inklings of me being right since he jumped on the wagon. It defintely would have played out differently, but I am satisfied with the outcome to an extent. And I mainly added the claim because my sister was having a baby! Didn't think I'd have any time to post after the analysis, but of course I made myself find time. In other news, I will be the godfather (which totals to 3 godchildren I have). Found that pretty funny

Thanks iGrok and chaoser! Fantastic set-up.