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GMarshal
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
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Last Edited: 2011-04-08 15:55:16
April 08 2011 15:46 GMT
#8
/in

I like these mechanics
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GMarshal
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
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Last Edited: 2011-04-09 00:20:46
April 09 2011 00:11 GMT
#18
EDIT: nvm I found it ^_^

Should be fun
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GMarshal
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States22154 Posts
April 09 2011 02:46 GMT
#24
Well it looks like a pretty damn fun game, what did you expect
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GMarshal
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States22154 Posts
April 15 2011 20:47 GMT
#40
Well, I'm dead, so its fine to start by me.

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GMarshal
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States22154 Posts
April 24 2011 22:38 GMT
#94
On April 25 2011 07:36 tnkted wrote:
Yep, got mine too.

This is going to be an interesting game, I got a strange role.


Bread-crumbing already huh? LYNCH HIM!

Too bad I noticed "I got a strange role" is a five word phrase! trying to communicate with your buddies...

##Vote: tnkted
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GMarshal
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States22154 Posts
April 24 2011 22:51 GMT
#101
On April 25 2011 07:41 tnkted wrote:
Lol GM, the cell leader's messages can't possibly have gone out yet, the game hasn't even started yet.

I'm not crumbing, I'm just honestly stating that my role is strange.

Here:

WEIRD ROLE, DUDES


Right, scum, keep on talking
(it was an obvious joke, why are you so nervous... have something to hide?)

also as far as your role goes I think I know what it is, you see I'm a Telepath
and I got to see your role you are


Welcome to Sleeper Cell Mafia you are The Mystic Avenger you live only to quench your thirst of vengeance. You will kill those bastards that murdered your family, see if you wont! You win when the serial killer and the Mass Murderer are dead. Thankfully you have some equipment to help you.

1.) Astral tables: Quite easy to use all you do is submit a number equal to the leading coefficient of the sum of all vowels used in all of your posts, ever, and then submit this number to the mod and three outside sources, if you figured it out right you will be told the astral signs of all players in the game, you know that the SK and MM are both sagitarius.

2.) Avenging Blade- its a sword of pure flame, you use it to smite the enemy, at any point you may type ##Smite Player in the thread and the player will be killed, if you hit an innocent (someone who has not killed anyone) the blade kills you as well.

3.) True Faith- If you die you may PM the mod a 100 word or less prayer. it will be edited into the OP as "divine revelation". Also you are immune to one night kill or one lynch, whichever comes first.
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GMarshal
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States22154 Posts
April 24 2011 22:54 GMT
#105
Trolling posts aside, tnkted at this point you've given away the fact you are a blue or something . Seriously what was the point of that? I'm not going to try to get you lynched as if you aren't scum the mafia is going to be curious enough to try to kill you, especially if its as you claim a "weird" role. Did you learn nothing of Insane 2? If you have a role not in the OP, then so might the mafia, do you *want* to be mind controlled?

/applause
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GMarshal
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States22154 Posts
April 24 2011 22:57 GMT
#106
On April 25 2011 07:52 tnkted wrote:
...fuck

##smite GMarshal


##Mind Shield Mr.WIggles

see due to a loophole in the wording of the mind shield portion of my PM, if I protect *anyone* I cannot be killed either ^_^
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GMarshal
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States22154 Posts
April 25 2011 01:34 GMT
#112
On April 25 2011 10:32 Jackal58 wrote:
I am going to be here until shortly after the day post guys. I get up before 5 for work so I gotta get some sleep. I just don't want to wake up to screams of "lurker"
I don't lurk. I sleep.


Sleep is for weak people! Healthy, sane, well rested weak people, but weak people nonetheless!
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GMarshal
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States22154 Posts
April 25 2011 02:15 GMT
#117
Lets kick off the discussion shall we?

As I see it in this setup many traditional mafia "tells" dont apply as the mafia (except for the leader) have the same information as the town does, hell they don't even know who is going to die before they do. This means that we have to look for tells based not on more knowledge, but on pure behavior. I know this is a small distinction but I think its important enough to point out.

As far as the blue roles we know we have at least one of vigi's should obviously shoot lurkers or people they are sure are scum, while our dts need push to lynch any red results they get, and I suggest any "not enough data" results they get, as the mafia leader hides behind those.

Yeah, I don't know what else to say.

Onto making people post

##Vote:Sandroba

I noticed you in the Surprisingly Normal. Do you have any thoughts on the setup?
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GMarshal
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States22154 Posts
April 25 2011 12:35 GMT
#143
Ladies and Gentlemen. I have a plan, a plan that costs us nothing and and aids us in defeating or at least confusing the mafia's ability to "crumb" with specific words or phrases. Don't know what I'm getting at? sence the mafia are going to likely identify each other based on a few words or phrases I am going to mimic peoples posts and steal whole sentences and words that seem suspicious to me. This way if the mafia is revealing themselves by key phrases I confuse them into either believing I am one of them or not being able to use code phrases, I suggest you all do the same, I mean we dont know if it will work jet, but anything that causes confusion amongst the scum team will help us.

I also suggest that if multiple people quote a post others of us do the same, as that might be a method of identification as well.

Also I agree we need to keep up the posting activity, as quality posts are important to foster discussion.

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GMarshal
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States22154 Posts
April 25 2011 13:01 GMT
#151
On April 25 2011 21:41 sandroba wrote:
I think this discussion about breadcrumbs is not productive at all, specially if you reveal your strategy before you put it in practice. Doing what you are suggesting is going to make scumhunting more difficult imo. Also I don't think that's the way mafia is going to identify each other, as there are several other more obvious ways I can think of.


As I see it there are only a few basic ways for the mafia to communicate.

1.) The GF reveals individualy who each member is to another member with a message such as "the pardoner is mafia" this is going to take forever and is not an optimal use of messaging

2.) The GF orchestrates something like "everyone change their signature to 'death and destruction' (which is why I am keeping track of peoples signatures) it is going to be an obvious reveal if so

3.) the GF organizes no obvious breadcrumbing something like "include three typos per post" or "use the word spectral" by implementing my strategy we stomp on any such plan. There might be work arounds but I have to wonder if the GF can figure it out and inform the rest of the team in only five word messages.

I find it curious that you oppose this plan, whats so bad about it sand?
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GMarshal
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States22154 Posts
April 25 2011 13:06 GMT
#153
On April 25 2011 21:57 Vain wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 25 2011 21:46 Jackal58 wrote:
On April 25 2011 21:41 sandroba wrote:
I think this discussion about breadcrumbs is not productive at all, specially if you reveal your strategy before you put it in practice. Doing what you are suggesting is going to make scumhunting more difficult imo. Also I don't think that's the way mafia is going to identify each other, as there are several other more obvious ways I can think of.

Please share.


Well for instance the cell leader could hint them who is who. It is stated in the first post that the cell leader is allowed to breadcrumb. He can also send that pm at dusk and down so in theory he could give some direction to who to vote for to lynch at dawn and also who to hit at dusk.


He isn't allowed to use player names, period, so thats going to be difficult to say the least. Yes the cell leader can hint at who is who but he has five words or 20 characters to do it in, its going to be a bitch to inform 1/3 of the players in this game about each others identity without being able to send out names. Assume it takes him one PM to reveal one player ,which makes sense as he can't just say it so he'd have to say something like "DT in Surprisingly Normal Mafia" to reveal a player assuming 5 members that means its going to take him 2 and a half days to inform everyone, (this is assuming any PMs are sent out to the whole group, if they are sent to individuals its even harder).

If they want to be efficient they have to find a way to post it in the thread, and thats what this plan sets out to hinder.
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GMarshal
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States22154 Posts
April 25 2011 13:29 GMT
#154
Also on "the cell leader may not have come up with it" I think its always a good idea to assume the opposition is as smart as you are, if not smarter.

I understand if you don't want to reveal it, but if it requires posting in the thread we can find it, spoof it, or otherwise sabotage it.
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GMarshal
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States22154 Posts
April 25 2011 13:39 GMT
#159
I like that question, I'll take the first shot at answering it.

Now, I'm assuming one person is receiving the message.

1.) Ace- "I'm the pardoner from XXXVIII": with a veteran player like Ace I would be trying to get as much information to him as possible, information is power and even with only a little bit of it I'm sure he could get stuff done

2.) Mr. Wiggles - " mafia will post 'serial killer' " or some other breadcrumb that would allow me to reveal myself to him and then the rest of the team. I might think of a more clever breadcrumb than that, and if it were clever enough I might use it for ace instead.

3.) why- same as for wiggles, as a veteran player both of them are people I could count on to work it into their regular posts without worrying too much about them messing up.
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GMarshal
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States22154 Posts
April 25 2011 13:47 GMT
#164
On April 25 2011 22:38 Impervious wrote:
Guys, this talk about breadcrumbing is nice and all, but I don't see it going much further at the moment. We should probably wait a while before bringing this up, so we can catch a slip up. Especially if they are trying to hide their posting in the thread.

I think we should talk about the pros and cons of of double-checking anyone who gets the result of "insufficient analysis", to make it easier on the DT.

The pros of double checking are that you are more sure of the result. The cons are that you could be checking someone else instead, therefore checking more people. I really think the cons outweigh the pros in this case.

Thoughts?


I think the DT should just push for a lynch on the target 75% chance of having the cell leader is worth the gamble of accidentally getting a town player lynched, IMO. Sure it might suck for the town player getting the shit end of the stick, but hey, we die for the greater glory and all that.

I also think this is usless discussion that allows scum to blend in, I'm sure the mafia is content to debate this to death, rather than worrying about us sabotaging their cutesy plans. Still I want to see what you guys awnser to Ace's question
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GMarshal
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States22154 Posts
April 25 2011 15:08 GMT
#178
Also I suppose its time I started generating discussion.

##Unvote
##Vote: Mr.Wiggles


do you know why I'm voting for you Mr.Wiggles?
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GMarshal
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States22154 Posts
April 25 2011 15:12 GMT
#181
+ Show Spoiler +
On April 26 2011 00:11 tnkted wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 25 2011 23:28 Jackal58 wrote:
My 3 would be
tnkted

Tackster

GMarshall

My messages to all 3 would be from shared game experiences

tnkted would be a simple one My beloved. He would know exactly who sent it.

Tackster would be just as easy. You're easiest. He also would know who it was from.

GMarshall would be a bit more difficult but it would refer to LSB's Clues and Puzzles game where we were both scum together and LSBs first clus was basically Jackal is scum. I'd have to think about how I wrote it but it would allude to that.

All of these are fun and all but basically what I'm seeing from all of these is the CL can reveal himself to cell members one at a time. Does nothing for each cell member to id each other.
For that to happen something has to be left in the thread.



OFFTOPIC:
LOL. dude, i was searching for that post in insane 2 and i couldn't find it, you don't happen to remember what page it was on do you?

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=200702&currentpage=144#2877

this?

/end offtopic
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GMarshal
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States22154 Posts
April 25 2011 15:35 GMT
#186
On April 26 2011 00:29 Rean wrote:
the fuck is this shit.

youre discussing how the gf can crumb in his messages WHEN THATS USELESS TO TOWN.
seriously, we dont give a fuck how they crumb because we wont find out about it anyway if mafia is even half-decent.

and now you're even making cutesy lists on who you would message if you were the GF? STOP BEING USELESS. seriously, you people are randomly discussing things that don't get us anywhere.

fos list so far:

ace/tnkted/more idiots filling the thread with bullshit lists


So, what would you like us to talk about then? Should we make an in depth discussion of the merits of lynching inactives? Or discuss what our blues should be doing?

Of course we give a fuck of how mafia crumbs, we might be able to catch them at it!

But still, what do you propose we do to STOP BEING USELESS?

your FoS is reduced to "people are discussing things, I won't offer an alternative but get pissed at them for *talking* how *dare* they start discussing things!"

So Rean, if you had the lynch right now who would you kill and why?

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GMarshal
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States22154 Posts
April 25 2011 15:48 GMT
#188
On April 26 2011 00:43 Ace wrote:
Good job Rean, contribute more please. You're path to the lynch wagon won't take long with shit posts like that.

Post your lists or at least give some damn good reasons why this is useless.


Interestingly enough do you mind if I ask you a question?

Why are these lists useful?

I'd like to hear what reasoning went behind asking us to post these.
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GMarshal
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States22154 Posts
April 25 2011 17:16 GMT
#200
On April 26 2011 02:13 Zorkmid wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 26 2011 00:51 Ace wrote:
That will become clear soon, I'm just waiting for more lists.

Rean, why, Kenpachi, Zorkmid, Vain, darmousseh, and GGQ still have to post their lists.


Ok, read through the whole thread, no idea what list it is that I have to post...


Imagine for a second you are the cell leader, who would you message and what would you tell them in that message? Pick 3 people ( assume in this imaginary world that anyone you choose to message is automatically a member of the mafia) .

I think I can guess as to why Ace wants this, but we'll see, just play along with and post it.
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GMarshal
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States22154 Posts
April 25 2011 20:36 GMT
#214
God dammit, I figured out what sand was getting at. He is right, it can be done, the whole mafia team can be informed of who the other members are, in my method they won't find out who the GF is but they *will* know who the entire team is. I *think* its doable in five words too, assuming the team consists of five members or less.

Assume that by night 3 the whole mafia team will be aware of the other members are.

Time to work on lynching people I guess. Mr.Wiggles, have you figured out why my vote is on you yet?
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GMarshal
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States22154 Posts
April 25 2011 21:05 GMT
#219
On April 26 2011 05:59 Tackster wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 26 2011 05:36 GMarshal wrote:
God dammit, I figured out what sand was getting at. He is right, it can be done, the whole mafia team can be informed of who the other members are, in my method they won't find out who the GF is but they *will* know who the entire team is. I *think* its doable in five words too, assuming the team consists of five members or less.

Assume that by night 3 the whole mafia team will be aware of the other members are.

Time to work on lynching people I guess. Mr.Wiggles, have you figured out why my vote is on you yet?


How does revealing this help town?


We now know we have to work on the assumption that the mafia will have all their names by day 3.
I think thats a pretty relevant piece of knowledge for us to have, no?
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GMarshal
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States22154 Posts
April 25 2011 22:27 GMT
#226
Good, wiggles, I like your response to pressure!

Onto someone else who I want to post.

Hi Eiii! Its nice to see you again. I find your lack of posts... disturbing.

Time to give you a motivational push I think.

##Unvote
##Vote: Wiggles
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GMarshal
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States22154 Posts
April 25 2011 22:27 GMT
#227
oh and happy birthday too!
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GMarshal
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States22154 Posts
April 25 2011 22:28 GMT
#228
wow, fail


##Unvote: Mr.WIggles
##Vote: Eiii
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GMarshal
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States22154 Posts
April 26 2011 15:26 GMT
#252
Jackal, I like your accusation, however I would leave tnkted alone for now as if he has a weird role as he claims the mafia is much more likely to hit him, I would much, much rather hit someone who isn't posting or is lurking, trying to avoid attention. I propose Eiii who has yet to contribute anything at all. To me, in this setting its a huge tell as it reeks of scum waiting to be contacted by the cell leader. I would be happy to hit any of the other lurkers though, e.g. Kenpachi.

Also I am getting a weird vibe from Mr.Wiggles

taking a quick look at his posts

On April 25 2011 11:53 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
Keep in mind that scum can kill scum as well.

I think something we should watch out for is people trying to manipulate or send messages to scum about how to act, as that will help us pick out the GF. As soon as a few scum start popping up, we should be able to draw connections between them and other players, and hopefully find a common point in the GF. The hard part will be when we kill the GF, because then a new one is selected. When that happens we have to be careful to observe who is changing their behavior towards other players unexpectedly, because this could be a sign of the new GF who suddenly has all the other agent names.


I think this is making an obvious post in alot of words, I'm not sure its FoS worthy, as alot of this type of posting is going on, but it set off my radar

On April 25 2011 12:29 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
Of course scum-hunting is going to be the best way to find scum, but breadcrumbs are also a good way of finding out the cell leader. It looks like he can only send one PM to one of his people per morning/evening, which means that he's going to have to find a way to get information out to them otherwise, or else he'll have no way to contact more than a couple of them. We can't really rely on the connections between players in this game, so if someone starts acting weird after PM time, maybe they're scum. Also, when we kill the GF, we can go back and look at who he was trying to direct, and who he was paying special attention to, and how.


interestingly enough its a repetition of a previous post, it says the evident "scum hunting is how we find scum" but still encourages us to look for breadcrumbs. I like the comment on the GF but the rest of the post seems like filler trying to look like something is being added, again, not enough to make me yell "scum" but its making my gut uncomfortable, this is the real reason I put a pressure vote on wiggles, rather than inactive he seemed to me to be lurking

On April 26 2011 07:20 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 25 2011 14:32 Ace wrote:
On April 25 2011 12:29 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
Of course scum-hunting is going to be the best way to find scum, but breadcrumbs are also a good way of finding out the cell leader. It looks like he can only send one PM to one of his people per morning/evening, which means that he's going to have to find a way to get information out to them otherwise, or else he'll have no way to contact more than a couple of them. We can't really rely on the connections between players in this game, so if someone starts acting weird after PM time, maybe they're scum. Also, when we kill the GF, we can go back and look at who he was trying to direct, and who he was paying special attention to, and how.


eh how? The point of bread crumbs is to prove something before it happens via hidden clues. So how in the world is that going to help us find the Cell Leader?


I'm just thinking we can look for things that are people trying to direct mafia. We can assume that the GF is going to find a way to make himself known to his agents. This is why stuff like:

Show nested quote +
On April 25 2011 15:04 darmousseh wrote:
On April 25 2011 11:41 Vain wrote:
On April 25 2011 11:38 Jackal58 wrote:
Well Gman. Since it appears that only you and I are playing and I know what I am huge fos on you.
In other words I'm going to bed.


Hey, i'm still here too. Am going to bed now BECAUSE ITS 5 AM HERE

btw, maby dt's should double check if they get that not info sufficient thingy if they have enough time and the player looks trusted. oh well, we'll see how it plays out. Goodnight!



Vain, I hope you aren't a dt because that is the most obvious blue tell ever in my opinion.


Looks somewhat scummy to me because of:

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On April 25 2011 11:53 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
Keep in mind that scum can kill scum as well.

I think something we should watch out for is people trying to manipulate or send messages to scum about how to act, as that will help us pick out the GF. As soon as a few scum start popping up, we should be able to draw connections between them and other players, and hopefully find a common point in the GF. The hard part will be when we kill the GF, because then a new one is selected. When that happens we have to be careful to observe who is changing their behavior towards other players unexpectedly, because this could be a sign of the new GF who suddenly has all the other agent names.


Say Darm is scum, this could be him posting a potential hit target for the other cell members, in saying who he thinks is blue. As a general rule, I don't think people should point out who they think is blue or not. If they do an analysis, and figure someone is blue, they can just as easily call them town to protect them from sniping.

I *really* like this point, I though it was evident as well, but it merits pointing out and wiggles gets a town point from me for making this point, as it warrants saying, on the other hand though it makes it obvious for any scum that missed it, which was my reason for leaving it there and hoping it stayed buried.


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On April 26 2011 00:08 GMarshal wrote:
Also I suppose its time I started generating discussion.

##Unvote
##Vote: Mr.Wiggles


do you know why I'm voting for you Mr.Wiggles?


Well, pressure doesn't work very well when the person isn't around to see it. :p

I think you're voting for me because I made a couple posts, went to bed, and have been at school until just recently, so it looks like I'm lurking/inactive. This isn't really the case, I'm reading the thread, just a lot of my reactions and ideas will be delayed and concentrated in a few posts instead of all over until two days from now. That, or you think one of my ideas is scummy, but I just pointed out what I mean by leading the cell and breadcrumbs if that's the one you're worried about.

This is actually the reaction I would expect from a town player, if wiggles were scum I would expect a more panicked reaction, its not a very solid tell but it partially assuages the churning in my stomach that his earlier posts caused


As for breadcrumbs, you can look for people posting odd things, pictures, rhymes, ciphers, etc. Changing their signature and/or profile, writing things with the first words of every sentence or every line, stuff like that. It might be clever for scum to try, but I'm not going to obsess over it. I'm just saying that if there's something super apparent, it could easily be a mafia breadcrumb.

I think this paragraph is redundant, no mafia is going to outright post a cypher or a easy breadcrumb like the first word of every sentence/line (and yes, I am checking for that)

Now, to answer Ace. My three picks (with reasoning and follow-up) would go:

1. Ace. He's an experienced player and has a reputation as a good analyzer/arguer.
2. GMarshal. I have experience playing games with him, and think he's a good all-around player.
3. Jackal58. He tunnels a lot, and is a very aggressive poster. It would be good to get him in the know so I could use that to my advantage, and to avoid friendly fire.

Message: "Follow PI Bear, Profile" 19 characters, 4 words. All they'd have to do is look into my profile, and see the picture I have there right now, as well as the first joke sentence underneath, "Hi, I'm Mr. Wiggles the Detective Bear! No matter the type of grisly discovery, I'll always be first on the scene! I've barely been stumped in my entire career!". This would easily alert them to my identity.

This part triggers my gut once again, as its thought out way in depth, it also spells out what a non-obvious message means, which in my mind is explaining it to any of his scumbuddies to whom he might have sent the message. I'm not willing to FoS based on that but it makes me more uneasy


The next thing I would do, is at some point, either post a scumlist that contains all of the sleeper agents, +/-1, or a scumlist that contains none of them +/-1. I would be sure not to provide much reasoning, and play down it's importance, so that no one would take it too seriously. I'd then hope the one's I've contacted would be smart enough to figure out that if they're on it, others are, or if they're not on it, no one else is, as they know I'm the Cell Leader, and must be up to something.

Again detailing his plan in detail and also including how he is going to be communicating with his buddies if he is scum. If wiggles ever posts a scumlist I'd be interested to see the alignment of some of its members, as its possible wiggles has just detailed his plan so his buddies can see it. Again, it could be that wiggles has thought this out in depth, which is good, or it could be he is scum. Its not a tell for me either way, but it does make me decidedly uneasy


Follow up messages would be: "PI Bear, Profile, List (or else Not List)" to notify everyone within the shortest amount of time of who I am, and to look at the list, or not at the list.


Its a long post, so my comments in bold inside the quote

Verdict: Keep your eyes peeled for wiggles, something about him seems off to me. FoS
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GMarshal
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States22154 Posts
April 26 2011 16:04 GMT
#256
On April 27 2011 01:01 Zorkmid wrote:
Sandroba, I think you're town. You thought the same thing about me last game too and you were town then.

By the way, you're dead wrong again.


Weigh in then please, who do you think is mafia? Why? Lynch is in less than 10 hours, who would you like to see dead?

While I'm throwing questions around, if you were a DT who would you check tonight? If you were a busdriver what two people would you swap? why?
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GMarshal
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States22154 Posts
April 26 2011 19:28 GMT
#288
On April 27 2011 04:27 Ace wrote:
Because I feel you are the most scummy player in the game so far. Why else would I vote for you?


Can you substantiate why you feel that way? I'd really like to hear the reasoning behind why you think he is the most likely to be scum.

Oh, and Eiii and all the other lurkers, post more before I get annoyed
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GMarshal
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States22154 Posts
April 26 2011 20:03 GMT
#293
Sorry Ace, but I think your analysis is faulty, I don't see Jackal as being scum atm. It could be my relative inexperience, or it might just be that we disagree on that, but I think that at the moment jackal is a terrible lynch, at the very least he is being vocal, which is much, much more than what we can say for many of the players in this thread.

I know I've said this many times before, but I think our best call today is to lynch a lurker, with a non-unifed mafia it also means they have no way of knowing if they are lynching a buddy, which makes it much less likely to be misdirected than the usual attempts at day 1 inactive lynches.
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GMarshal
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States22154 Posts
April 26 2011 20:31 GMT
#295
My lynch suggestions:

Eiii
Kenpachi
GGQ

all three of these are actively lurking and not contributing or trying to scumhunt, this is where I think mafia is trying to hide themselves, and even if we end up lynching a townie, it ends up encouraging more active posting from these people

as far as zorkmid goes, my opinion on him is neutral atm, I think he might be a little overwhelmed by the number of new names, and he has a decent number of posts compared to those three, so I'm willing to give him a day to slip up if he is scum.

My vote is already on Eiii, so I'm going to keep it on there for now.

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GMarshal
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States22154 Posts
April 26 2011 23:46 GMT
#309
On April 27 2011 08:27 GGQ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 27 2011 00:26 GMarshal wrote:
Jackal, I like your accusation, however I would leave tnkted alone for now as if he has a weird role as he claims the mafia is much more likely to hit him


You are approaching this like a regular game. Because of the agent mechanic, the other mafia don't know if he is mafia or blue, so they won't risk hitting him.


I disagree, I think mafia are going to hit him anyway, because his role has provided something they can all see as a focus point. Cell agents all vote together for who they want to kill, almost like a mini lynch, with no way of knowing who is scum or town, so they are going to go for people they perceive to be playing the way town would/not they way scum would. What kind of retarded scum would publicly breadcrumb? Therefore the agents will conclude he isn't one of them and kill him, since they know he isn't a member. My thought process if I were an agent at least.
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GMarshal
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States22154 Posts
April 27 2011 00:15 GMT
#314
@Jackal, Ace is a scary player on either side, mafia or town, his town play is not up to his mafia play, but thats because his scum play is miles ahead of what almost anyone can pull off. His ability to mislead and misdirect the town is something to be terrified of and if he is mafia we can expect him to be ready to start crushing the town soon, as a policy, every dt in the universe should be checking him. I'm not familiar with his town play other than "from this point forward I'll talk with my guns" and knowing Qatol was mafia in the one were Qatol was the scum mayor, that was the game where he did the whole "posters who are invisible to me" thing too. Overall Ace is a vet, no-one should underestimate his play, town or mafia.

I find it mildly amusing that I posted the names of three people as inactive and all three of them popped up sooner rather than later. Almost as if they were watching the thread...

Ace, you say that lurking is "old meta" but I have found that in my experience even experienced players tend to lurk as mafia, since its simply much more comfortable/you are less likely to slip up, especially without a team giving direction/help I think many of these players might decide to lurk, or at least be mildly inactive. You seem to think jackal is scum, is there any other player you think is likely to be mafia as well?



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GMarshal
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States22154 Posts
April 27 2011 13:49 GMT
#350
I realize its night time, but that is no reason to shut up and stop discussion, we have all of twenty four hours to start deciding things like lynches and blue direction. For the sake of discussion I am going to post a list of people I think need DT checks, vigi shots and medic protects.

DT Checks

Jackal58 - Ace thinks Jackal has been acting scummy, for this reason alone I think a dt should take a look at jackal, the results would be interesting either way

Mr. Wiggles - I already pointed out that I am suspicious of him, it would be nice to know definitely, as I know wiggles has the potential to contribute to the town if he is town aligned, if he is not he is very good about scooting along with large vacuous posts

GMarshal - DTs should aways check the most vocal players. I consider myself a vocal player, therefore I should be checked

Ace - its Ace, as policy he should be checked. Also I find his retraction of the vote on jackal to be unexpected, from seeing previous games with Ace I would have expected him to stick to his guns with the lynch.

Impervious- he has many posts, yet oddly enough, not a single one of them stuck in my mind, to me this means his posts have been empty enough to not be memorable, I think that merits a check

Vigilante Shots - now its *really* debated whether it is best for vigilantes to shoot night one or not, if the vigi is not in imminent danger and is not confident on his mafia kill I belive in saving the shot for later, however some people subscribe to using it for people they would lynch on policy, e.g. liars, or lurkers. If a vigi *had* to fire tonight I would think the best shot would be at an inactive who might be lurking scum. That is the gist of my suggestions on here

Eiii- Lurking, pops up to defend himself, resumes lurking, not a town asset at the moment, so we can do without him

GGQ- more of the same deal with Eiii, lurking inactively, hasn't really weighed in on anything.

why- with a grand total of four posts all he has done is attack jackal, I dont think he is contributing and we can do without him

Vain- I see every one of his posts as either a rehash of old ideas or a non-contribution

darm- because I think it would be hilarious to have him die day one this game too (don't actually shoot him for that, it was a joke...)

Medic Protects

GMarshal- I dont want to die, please dont let me die, I'll go through mafia withdrawal again and it wont be pretty

Ace- he is Ace, high profile target and all that, I want him around in the late game.

Jackal (maybe) - he is a great endgame player, and I wouldn't mind having him around to scum-hunt in the late game, I don't know how likely it is he will be targeted though.

other than that I don't know who scum might go after to be honest, as they risk hitting one of their own whatever they choose to do

Alright, so take a gander and debate my list up and down, who did I forget to include ? Who did I include who shouldn't be there?

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GMarshal
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States22154 Posts
April 27 2011 15:45 GMT
#360
On April 28 2011 00:36 Ace wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 27 2011 22:49 GMarshal wrote:
Ace - its Ace, as policy he should be checked. Also I find his retraction of the vote on jackal to be unexpected, from seeing previous games with Ace I would have expected him to stick to his guns with the lynch.


I don't know how many games of me you've read but I don't always stick to my vote, especially not Day 1. Also with no majority lynch someone can end up dying with a couple of votes. Like Kenpachi who only died with 3 votes. How come no one went back to look at it?

Zorkmid actually ended up deciding Kenpachi's fate. Mr.Wiggles would have gotten lynched but the vote switch ended up taking out Kenpachi instead. He's also a good target to DT check and may actually be the best one.

@Impervious: Acting weird how?


I realize you dont always stick to your vote, I just expected you to argue harder for your target. what game do you think exemplifies your town play the best? I'd like to go back and read it to try to get a slight grasp on your town meta, tbh most of the games I've read where I've focused on your play are ones where you were mafia.

Its interesting how our DT lists overlap, and you bring up a good point Zorkmid, I hadn't really taken a good look at the votes. Its relevant to note how scattered the votes are, the clear sign of a disunited town and a disunited mafia, we need to work on that tomorrow, as the current vote list reveals little information outside of what Ace just pointed out.

I think your GF target list was a clever idea, I don't know how much it helps, but it did give interesting results.
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GMarshal
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States22154 Posts
April 27 2011 17:51 GMT
#371
On April 28 2011 02:45 Zorkmid wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 28 2011 02:37 sandroba wrote:

Last game, I made it very clear I though zorkmid was town since day1.


You over tunneled me for 2 entire games, you're just bad. Reading your posts is a waste of vitrious and aqueous humor


Such level of aggressiveness, you really dont like the heat do you?

So tell me, Mr. "I dont give a fuck if inactives die" what have you contributed to this town? Other than "I agree" I mean.

Hmm, I'm starting to think you might be a fine addition for a vigi hit, it would certainly save us alot of arguing tomorrow...
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GMarshal
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States22154 Posts
April 27 2011 20:10 GMT
#380
batman is here!

Hi bum!

Quickly what are your top 2 scum reads?
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GMarshal
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States22154 Posts
April 27 2011 22:50 GMT
#393
On April 28 2011 07:48 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
My scum play so far has just involved never being fingered as scum :p


I'll fix that, from now on, day 1 you'll get an analysis definitely proving your scummy nature, even if you aren't in that game
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GMarshal
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States22154 Posts
April 27 2011 23:02 GMT
#395
On April 28 2011 08:00 Jackal58 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 28 2011 06:28 bumatlarge wrote:
Wow this is confusing, but I think I got the basic gist of the mechanics. Ace, wouldnt the name game be kinda helpful for CL to make a list and be able to point out multiple persons without naming names? And jackal is the traffic thing a breadcrumb lol? I've been reading through thread keeping my eyes open for non-thread related stuff just in case, and you spend a nice chunk on discussing traffic lol...

Kinda suspicious of Ace to what he is suggesting and how it helps town. Jackal next because of the traffic, and I haven't read into anyone else, except tnkted, who will just sit in a corner sprinkling his little crumbs everywhere. Aren't we supposed to try to prevent everyone from being able to breadcrumb, not give them the best opportunities to do so?

Maybe I missed key stuff, but I don't really have much time for a full analysis yet. I'm stuck in traffic

It took me a minute to figure out what you were referring to. My ride home last night was brutal. It was back to the norm tonight. Just long.


I'll be moving to lynch the next person to refer to traffic, ride, or any driving terms, hell any non-mafia conversations will be suspicious! this isn't your personal blogs section, whatever some people may have believed in the past

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GMarshal
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States22154 Posts
April 28 2011 04:00 GMT
#399
f5f5f5f5f5f5f5f5f5f5f5f5

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GMarshal
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States22154 Posts
April 28 2011 04:06 GMT
#402
Fuck, there goes my chance of getting the girl....

gl town, nail those bastards for me
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GMarshal
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States22154 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-29 22:49:08
April 29 2011 22:46 GMT
#497
I just PMed him requesting he remove his post.


EDIT: That constitutes an attempt to affect the game postmortem, and I will support a ban for it, its not cool, not funny and basically a dick move
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GMarshal
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States22154 Posts
May 06 2011 02:30 GMT
#814
[spectral voice] just me and the other spirits of the dead I think [/spectral voice]
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GMarshal
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States22154 Posts
May 06 2011 03:04 GMT
#818
On May 06 2011 12:03 Ace wrote:
oh snap! both hosts late!

[spectral voice] day ends at midnight, no?[/spectral voice]
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GMarshal
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States22154 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-06 04:16:26
May 06 2011 04:16 GMT
#830
I almost shot Ace night 1, my gut told me he was scum, and then he shot me.

FML

should have shot, didn't expect to die.

Also ace, the point of those lists was to get a read on who players were thought good to better distribute your kills right?
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GMarshal
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States22154 Posts
May 06 2011 04:17 GMT
#834
Also, bum pegged the whole frigging mafia team and you guys just disregarded it.
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GMarshal
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States22154 Posts
May 06 2011 04:18 GMT
#835
On May 06 2011 13:17 Ace wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 06 2011 13:16 GMarshal wrote:
I almost shot Ace night 1, my gut told me he was scum, and then he shot me.

FML

should have shot, didn't expect to die.

Also ace, the point of those lists was to get a read on who players were thought good to better distribute your kills right?


what lists?


The whole "if you were a cell leader who would you message and what would you say?"
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GMarshal
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States22154 Posts
May 06 2011 04:33 GMT
#850
On May 06 2011 13:30 GGQ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 06 2011 13:17 GMarshal wrote:
Also, bum pegged the whole frigging mafia team and you guys just disregarded it.


Not me! :D

Yeah but your own team shot you, so you don't count.

Also I figured out the best play is for all the cell members to intentionally try to spread out their shots, so that way the CL can choose who gets shot and avoid shooting its own team. Ofc its not easy, but it assuming the team is good at doing this they could have the CL always pick who to kill

A good way of doing this would be to have the whole team just pick the person below them alphabetically for example. The hard thing would be communicating this to the team.
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GMarshal
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States22154 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-06 04:40:10
May 06 2011 04:38 GMT
#853
Overall it was an awesome game, thanks to iGrok and chaoser for hosting this awesome setup. Next time put medics in or something to keep me from dying N1! I really wonder what I would have said to bums claim if I didn't know it was real, or Ace's for that matter.

EDIT: and Ace when you make your return to normal games I want to be on your mafia team, your destruction of the town was something to learn from

EDIT2: also kudos to sand, who was convinced jackal was going to get himself lynched all game long, he played a pretty scary game as mafia too.
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GMarshal
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States22154 Posts
May 06 2011 04:53 GMT
#861
On May 06 2011 13:52 GGQ wrote:
I missed the post, what did it say?

He quoted a huge post about how bum was probably lying and said something along the lines of "if I were cell leader why would I quit, thats a fun role, lol"
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GMarshal
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States22154 Posts
May 06 2011 04:54 GMT
#863
On May 06 2011 13:53 bumatlarge wrote:
And of course that started inklings of me being right since he jumped on the wagon. It defintely would have played out differently, but I am satisfied with the outcome to an extent. And I mainly added the claim because my sister was having a baby! Didn't think I'd have any time to post after the analysis, but of course I made myself find time. In other news, I will be the godfather (which totals to 3 godchildren I have). Found that pretty funny

Thanks iGrok and chaoser! Fantastic set-up.


ooooh, congratulations man! Thats awesome news!

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