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On April 15 2011 10:43 LSB wrote:Show nested quote +On April 15 2011 10:41 Mr. Wiggles wrote:On April 15 2011 10:38 Protactinium wrote:On April 15 2011 10:25 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Saying this bullshit now instead of trying to help. Vote LSB. Protact agree's he's scum with me so why not kill this idiot now, have GMarshal check Coag and if GMarshal lies to save him then we can nab both.
I disagree. LSB is town. Until Coagulation flips red. Coagulation is THE lynch target of the day. Don't split the vote by voting LSB, that will just let mafia come in and switch the vote to a random townie. What's the link in between LSB and Coag that makes it so that Coag's flip assures LSB's scumminess? I'm voting for him because he's pushing an anti-town plan, and ON was already scummy looking. If Coag is blue and Proc is black is it ainti town? If Coag is blue and Proc is Red is it ainti town?
Yes, and Yes.
Lynching a Black is a waste of the town's lynch. There's no good reason to lynch a black instead of scumhunting for a red.
Further, he has claimed Black. That means that there are likely going to be anywhere from 2-4 Assassins potentially shooting at him tonight.
If he's Black, then he's killed by other Assassins, so what.
If he's Red, and killed by the Assassins, then they just did town a favour.
In my opinion, he's black, and there's no reason to lynch him. Whether or not he is, I think he's going to get shot at least once tonight, and die. This means there is no reason to lynch him. All it does, is waste our lynch that could be used on another scummy player, and give the mafia another night of shooting town.
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On April 15 2011 10:55 GMarshal wrote:Show nested quote +On April 15 2011 10:51 LSB wrote:On April 15 2011 10:50 GMarshal wrote:On April 15 2011 10:47 kitaman27 wrote:
GMarshal, if you pardon, you are guaranteed to get lynched tomorrow. Don't even think about it. I'm not letting the assassin win. Hang me if you must. I ran on policy and principles. I will uphold those now. FIGHT FOR THE TOWN! Don't pardon. Let coag die, it will green me and you, and red Flamewheel I'm not willing to be reasonable about this. I am sticking to my guns, if it means I die then so fucking be it. See you in hell fw! I do not lynch on the words of someone who is anti town I do not follow a liar I will not allow the town to do the same while it is in my power to prevent it. This isn't about weather or not coag is scum, I dont give a damn if protac guessed right. This is about fighting for my principles And I will be damned, to the pits of hell, if I go back on my principles.
DO NOT PARDON. If you don't agree with the Coag lynch, then vote for someone else.
If you do this, you damn yourself, and you damn coag. You destroy any credibility you might have had in this game.
DO NOT PARDON.
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You guys can't be serious... -_-
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On April 15 2011 13:03 GMarshal wrote:
Well, ladies and gentlemen, it was nice knowing you and I hope you have fun lynching me. tomorrow. Take this as a personal and very dear fuck you to the cheaters that ruined this game. You will not have your victory, I personally will not let you have it.
My policy is fuck over cheaters and then worry about my win condition, screw LaL, screw survival. When people cheated the game stopped mattering.
##Pardon: AirbladeOrange.
Goodnight, sweethearts, I hope the taste of victory snatched away from you is as bitter as the taste of having the game ruined is for me
So what was this all about? 
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On April 15 2011 13:55 DoctorHelvetica wrote:Show nested quote +On April 15 2011 13:54 Mr. Wiggles wrote:On April 15 2011 13:03 GMarshal wrote:
Well, ladies and gentlemen, it was nice knowing you and I hope you have fun lynching me. tomorrow. Take this as a personal and very dear fuck you to the cheaters that ruined this game. You will not have your victory, I personally will not let you have it.
My policy is fuck over cheaters and then worry about my win condition, screw LaL, screw survival. When people cheated the game stopped mattering.
##Pardon: AirbladeOrange.
Goodnight, sweethearts, I hope the taste of victory snatched away from you is as bitter as the taste of having the game ruined is for me
So what was this all about? He tried to pardon himself based on a loophole in the rhetoric of the pardoner description.
I was being sarcastic. Also, he just admitted to being scum. :3
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On April 15 2011 14:00 kitaman27 wrote:
Guess that means the bodyguard identities are known to mafia. After the flip, DrH might as well post their identities so we have 2 confirmed townies and medic targets.
Wait for the flip, he might have been an assassin too.
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Friggen ninjas.... 
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On April 15 2011 14:32 Barundar wrote:Show nested quote +On April 15 2011 14:30 Mig wrote:
I have to assume Coag is mafia, I don't know what other reason GM would have had to just completely freak out. Yup, probably the godfather considering he wanted a "real" DT check. What do we do with protac?
Protac is 90% Black in my eyes.
Whether he's black or blue, there's going to be 2-4 assassins, and possibly the mafia all wanting to shoot at him tonight.
That's a lot of KP, and I think the chances are high that he'll get doublestacked.
As it is, I wouldn't use a medic on him.
If we want to raise his chances of survival, I'd call for a watcher to be placed on him.
This is only if we'd like to keep him around for analysis, as whether he's black or blue, he's going to try to help us catch scum to try to stay alive. The only danger is if he's Black, he'll probably analyze other assassins as mafia.
I went over this already in my big "useless" post.
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On April 15 2011 14:38 Barundar wrote:
Well if protact is going to die tonight, he will most likely use all 3 of his KP. So many dead people tomorrow...
He can only use one at a time, can't he?
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On April 15 2011 14:38 GGQ wrote:
Protactinium is 100% assassin. Let him die, protect bgs and other valued townies.
I never said to protect him. I only said if we want to keep him around another day for analysis, we can place a watcher on him, or at least ask for a watcher on him. Because mafia might hit him too, after he claimed DT, especially if he was right about coag. A watcher would catch potentially a mafia, as well as several assassins. Again, only if there's some reason to keep him around.
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Do we want both watchers and medics on BGs? I think we should give them two targets to add WIFOM for mafia then, or else just do Medics, and not watchers. If there's medics and watchers, any mafia our watchers find might be mixed in with a medic, and they'd have to reveal both, if they can't differentiate between the two themselves.
I'd say:
Medics: On the BGs
Trackers: Whoever you think is scummy, not coag/LSB
Watchers: People you think are likely to get hit tonight
Vig: Coag
DT: LSB
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On April 15 2011 14:56 Barundar wrote:
Well if you want to WIFOM medic lists, BG's are first priority protection, but chaoser is almost guaranteed town at this point...
(I know I said that about coag yesterday, but hey!)
Just wanted to WIFOM if there were both medics and watchers on BGs like whoever was proposing. If we just do medics, then medics can just do BGs. Chaoser is a good choice though, too.
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I don't think the point about GMarshal asking him questions means anything really. If you go look in Insane 2, he was doing the exact same thing on Day 1. It'd only stand out to me if he was the only one he was asking questions to, or if it stood out independently. Going to go back and look.
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I voted GM cause he threatened to pardon and that was more anti-town than whatever I thought about LSB. -_-
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Bleh, game over.
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Why did mafia shoot me, whyyyyy?!?!?!?!?!?!?!
Also protact needed to shoot Eiii to complete my master plan, but it never did.
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On April 24 2011 12:30 Jackal58 wrote:
2 questions.
Which one of you nimrods shot me.
How did Proact and others manage to play under one name?
I shot the medic, so don't worry. :p
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On April 24 2011 13:02 chaoser wrote:Show nested quote +On April 24 2011 12:56 GMarshal wrote:On April 24 2011 12:53 chaoser wrote:On April 24 2011 12:48 GMarshal wrote:On April 24 2011 12:42 Jackal58 wrote:On April 24 2011 12:32 GMarshal wrote:
The game was fun, my death day two kind of hurt the mafia, and having two modkills didn't help one bit.
Anyway, I dont mind the screwup with the pardoner, mistakes happen, the important part of it is that we learn from them. If its any consolation, I like this new pardoner quite a bit, and I'd like to see it in another game, its fun to have in there, although I'd prefer that it lynch the runner up rather than end the day entirely.
Also, awards to chaoser for having me pegged from the start, DropBear and AO for trying hard for me, which is not always easy in a situation as demoralizing as this my lynch seemed day two, and an award to bum for being a battle-medic, I was convinced you were a vet trying to get me to shoot you.
Either way gg wp. Its a shame my first run as a mafia team leader ended up with my team being crushed.
I had you and Coag both pegged. And then Proact totally fucked over my ability to proceed. I simply could not go along with a liar with 3rd party motivations. Damnation he pissed me off. If he had picked anybody but Coag. Coag wanted me to lynch you if I got mayor and shoot you night one otherwise, I thought it a poor idea. As far as allying with the assassin, I couldn't understand how any townie in his right mind could even think of it, it was just mindboggling that an assassin got *any* support, at all. I'd rather have an assassin in office and have control over his KP/check over a red. Simple as that And this is where I disagree, you have no control over his KP or his check, he is going to use them however he damn well pleases, what are you going to do if he dosn't follow your orders? lynch him? Thats a wasted town kp which you *need* to use on scum, not on 100% guaranteed not mafia. Thats why I thought it was utter madness , you just ensured 3 kp are going to play out with no way of controlling them, more likely than not they'll end up hitting lurking blues. And I'm saying he would never do that because it would lead straight to his lynch aka him losing the game. Town knows he needs to survive to win and he knows he needs to help town to survive. If he's running and telling town he's assassin then we have mutual ambitions to a certain extent. He wants to win assassin game and so wouldn't betray town since we'd lynch him.
The thing is, if he thinks he can win the assassin game with a hit, he's going to try to do it most likely. Then that means that if he misses, town is forced to lynch him, and you also get into a situation where he can blackmail town with the names of the BGs too. You can't really control him, you can just limit your risk. For example, if BGs got sniped, would he have still continued to help town?
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On April 24 2011 13:06 Mr. Wiggles wrote:Show nested quote +On April 24 2011 13:02 chaoser wrote:On April 24 2011 12:56 GMarshal wrote:On April 24 2011 12:53 chaoser wrote:On April 24 2011 12:48 GMarshal wrote:On April 24 2011 12:42 Jackal58 wrote:On April 24 2011 12:32 GMarshal wrote:
The game was fun, my death day two kind of hurt the mafia, and having two modkills didn't help one bit.
Anyway, I dont mind the screwup with the pardoner, mistakes happen, the important part of it is that we learn from them. If its any consolation, I like this new pardoner quite a bit, and I'd like to see it in another game, its fun to have in there, although I'd prefer that it lynch the runner up rather than end the day entirely.
Also, awards to chaoser for having me pegged from the start, DropBear and AO for trying hard for me, which is not always easy in a situation as demoralizing as this my lynch seemed day two, and an award to bum for being a battle-medic, I was convinced you were a vet trying to get me to shoot you.
Either way gg wp. Its a shame my first run as a mafia team leader ended up with my team being crushed.
I had you and Coag both pegged. And then Proact totally fucked over my ability to proceed. I simply could not go along with a liar with 3rd party motivations. Damnation he pissed me off. If he had picked anybody but Coag. Coag wanted me to lynch you if I got mayor and shoot you night one otherwise, I thought it a poor idea. As far as allying with the assassin, I couldn't understand how any townie in his right mind could even think of it, it was just mindboggling that an assassin got *any* support, at all. I'd rather have an assassin in office and have control over his KP/check over a red. Simple as that And this is where I disagree, you have no control over his KP or his check, he is going to use them however he damn well pleases, what are you going to do if he dosn't follow your orders? lynch him? Thats a wasted town kp which you *need* to use on scum, not on 100% guaranteed not mafia. Thats why I thought it was utter madness , you just ensured 3 kp are going to play out with no way of controlling them, more likely than not they'll end up hitting lurking blues. And I'm saying he would never do that because it would lead straight to his lynch aka him losing the game. Town knows he needs to survive to win and he knows he needs to help town to survive. If he's running and telling town he's assassin then we have mutual ambitions to a certain extent. He wants to win assassin game and so wouldn't betray town since we'd lynch him. The thing is, if he thinks he can win the assassin game with a hit, he's going to try to do it most likely. Then that means that if he misses, town is forced to lynch him, and you also get into a situation where he can blackmail town with the names of the BGs too. You can't really control him, you can just limit your risk. For example, if BGs got sniped, would he have still continued to help town?
And just to add on, if he got voted in as pardoner, with how the rule was, he could postpone his lynch by a day. So say one assassin showed up dead, he could shoot who he thought was an assassin the next night, and if town tried to lynch him, he could just pardon. That gives two extra rounds of hits to the mafia, because a black is trying to win the game, so not good for town.
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On April 25 2011 06:37 tnkted wrote:Show nested quote +On April 24 2011 13:25 DropBear wrote:
Tnkted, I hope you enjoyed your stint in the Mafia IRC after you died. It’s pretty interesting in there as you found out!
I did, as a matter of fact, it was a even more fun when you have everybody's roles! And for the record, (you couldn't read it) in the dead person's channel I said several times that I thought you were playing very well. You were last on my suspect list, I was entirely caught off guard by the fact that you were mafia. Keep up the good work. Show nested quote +On April 24 2011 15:29 BrownBear wrote:
DropBear: if you and Meapak do grudgematch, I want to cast it ^^ I'm casting too, I call it. Decon, feel up for streamin' again?
If it's SC2 I'll actually be able to contribute, lawl. Also, I won't have exams this time.
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