EPTHe's really an assassin, using the last trick up his sleeve.
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On April 13 2011 17:49 DoctorHelvetica wrote: All that has to happen to save Coagulation in my mind is a veteran claim. That would show that this is a special gametype and I'd reevaulate Protactiniums position. 40 player game, why are you convinced there's only one vet?! and why fish for them that's just facepalm dumb. Vets are totally useless once they claim :/ maybe you're hoping coag is scum and one of his scumbuddies claims vet as well now? I just don't get what you're thinking... | ||
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On April 13 2011 17:55 DoctorHelvetica wrote: because if you take assassins out of the picture, this isn't a very large setup. I've balanced and seen enough set-ups to know that the multiple vet scenario is pretty rare in the case that there are medics. if a second vet claims then that gives me a jumping off point to at least reevaluate the situation. otherwise there is no choice to lynch coagulation think critically maybe some things are better left unsaid aidnai Ok, I agree some things are better left unsaid, but I guess I can't help but wonder what you're thinking sometimes... as for thinking critically, I'd ask you, if protact was in fact black, what are his possible plays today? you pointed out correctly (I believe) that his chances are slim with this play, but I still don't think there's any better play for him? logically, it seems to me the MOST LIKELY explanation for protact claiming black day 1 is that he was in fact black. I'll grant it's possible that it was all a ploy to draw out scum (btw this would be easier to believe if you posted your list protact). IF PROTACT IS BLACK, what else could we expect out of him today? roll over and die? the guy obviously wants to have fun and make a splash, why not go out in style right? | ||
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SCUMMY LURKER LIST latrommi Milkyst <- 1 post + 1 vote lol jaminz serejai rean none of these players are interacting with the game in any meaningful way. Scared of imba scumtells much? depending on activity levels as today progresses, we might get a nice vig shot on one of these, I'm thinking milkyst. On April 11 2011 21:18 Milkyst wrote: And that's exactly what I'm going to do. I'm voting for redFF. He wants people to be lynched, been talking alot of trash as well throughout the thread. He's also wanting to urge the townies to vote for one of these three... little bit suspicious if you ask me. His only post proves he's been reading the thread (look at bolded part), but all he can say is he wants to lynch redFF because he's a 'little bit suspicious'. 1 post and 1 vote per day keeps the modkill away right? goodnight everybody. | ||
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scum points for wiggles. | ||
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1) likely scenario is protact = assassin, coag = vet 2) mafia don't really care about who we kill here 3) debating this is therefore mostly a waste of time. Best course of action is let protact die tonight, decide about a coag lynch based on the flip (or vig him pretty please  Therefore it's time to post my lynch candidate: Rean. + Show Spoiler [rean's posts with commentary] + On April 11 2011 08:21 Rean wrote: yeah right you're gonna kill mafia while they actually help you by possibly killing a asassin, giving up your night-actions in the progress YEAAAAAAAAAAH, right, you're gonna ignore your own win conditions because you're such a nice person keep trying, you're pretty amusing. One of the quickest and most dismissive responses to protact. Doesn't mean he's scum yet, but in combo with his later acceptance of protact is completely damning. On April 11 2011 19:20 Rean wrote: I'm starting to think that the third assasin not Prot or Eiii is laughing his ass off. Both his adversary's have been revealed and with Prot's campaign failing, he has this in the bag, A good thing for town aswell, the quicker these assasins gtfo out of the game the less chance they accidentally kill a townie. not-so-subtley suggesting that eiii is assassin, which I think was unfounded (but maybe not it's not important to my case). On April 12 2011 07:32 Rean wrote: Placeholder vote on DrH right now, seems to be the best candidate although i'd ask to tone down thew aggresiveness a bit. As for who to lynch: Pandain seems to be a safe bet, his fakeclaim DT is completely retarded and even if he's town he's not helping so we might aswell kill him. THIS POST IS IMPORTANT! "even if he's town he's not helping so we might aswell kill him." Absolutely a scumtell. Especially since, seeing the night kills, we know mafia believed the claim more than the retraction. Townies facepalmed or ridiculed pandain, they didn't call for his lynch. On April 12 2011 08:15 Rean wrote: Meapak says it's okay to pm the host: [01:14] <+Meapak> FUCK [01:14] <+Meapak> redff [01:14] <+Meapak> dude [01:14] <+Meapak> I'm at 1499 posts [01:14] <+Meapak> I can't post  [01:14] <+GGQ> i keep accidentally missing my milestone posts [01:14] <+Meapak> just tell him that he can PM the hosts Apparently he's in irc with GGQ zzz... On April 12 2011 23:06 Rean wrote: I'm trying out this new scum strategy: lurk really hardcore and only respond every once every 8 or so hours with meaningless posts, while simultaniously posting a ton in another mafia thread, so i can avoid any suspicion. If anyone accuses me: ignore it. Is it working? Responds to a legitimate point by blowing it off and trolling. 1) His response time shows he's actively reading this thread (responded within 10 minutes) 2) His thread presence in Insane 2 shows his 'normal' activity level 3) His thread presence in this game shows??? and yet all he does for the next several posts is claim mafia -_- Why would a mafia do this? well, the main reason I think would be to be able to ask 'why would a mafia do this?' while at the same time COMPLETELY DODGING THE QUESTION. This game is definitely not boring, there's no excuse for his activity level. On April 12 2011 23:10 Rean wrote: Nah, he's my teammate but he's putting the "ask stupid questions and look like a total newbie" method to the test. I'm trying out the strategy I explained above trollolol -_- On April 12 2011 23:29 Rean wrote: Don't complain, we want them to kill town so they don't lynch us. We talked over this yesterday, remember? zzz... On April 13 2011 00:13 Rean wrote: Awesome. Now all we need is iGrok to swap in for one of my other scumbuddy's and the famed Insane Mafia 2 police team is back worket together once more! ON, can't you suddenly be inable to play so iGrok can swap in or something? At this point, it's obvious that Rean is trying to bring his activity level to 'normal' levels while ignoring what is actually going on so he doesn't have to take a stance. On April 13 2011 07:08 Rean wrote: What he's saying is that lynching ON might be a gamble, but it's one with a high reward. Either we kill him, he flips red and we've got a few red buddies to point out, or he flips green and then people like RedFF will start to be very red. A risk that might just be worth taking, unless there's another good option. Lynch for information, a risk worth taking... I want what this guy has been smoking. On April 13 2011 07:33 Rean wrote: ....that has to be the most retarded analogy yet. no comment On April 13 2011 17:01 Rean wrote: Yeah, nice try. Except my first mafia game here was Death Factory (townie twin with RoL), second game Insane Mafia 2. As for the Coagulation affair: looking through all of his previous posts, two things really stand out above all: he is extremely paranoid of Prot becoming mayor, freaking out whenever it seems likely that he's being elected only to continue lurking once the threat dies down. Secondly, he has another classic "100% town guys dw had town read all along" read a la Lemonwalrus on GMarshal, despite the fact that alot of people have being pointing out how scummy GMarshal has been all along. I don't know, but I doubt anyone not mafia buddy's with him would trust their reads this much when alot of others are doubting him. Then again, that's what I thought in Insane Mafia 2 aswell and look how that turned out >.> If I had to guess right now, i'd say that both Coagulation and GMarshal are red. Protactinium: I honestly don't fucking know if you're assassin or DT, and quite frankly I couldn't care less. Being a veteran player you could've easily made that read as a assassin. Right now i'd say we lynch Coagulation and if he flips red, medic Prot. If he flips green (doubtful) Prot dies. This is where it gets juicy again: a) he once again dodges the activity/trolling issue b) HE THINKS COAG IS SCUMMY FOR REJECTING PROTACT FOR MAYOR DING DING DING WE HAVE A WINNER FOLKS c) throwing FOS around at coag/gmarshal d) DOESN'T KNOW/CARE IF PROT IS AN ASSASSIN, BUT STILL CALLS FOR MEDIC ON HIM DING DING DING TWICE IN ONE POST. Thanks for making it easy Rean On April 13 2011 17:12 Rean wrote: I'm saying that if he's a assassin, he just made the read on Coagulation because it's pretty easy to see he's scum based on his posting. He's a veteran player after all, it wouldn't be all that far-fetched. Sure, he'd be lying his ass off but he's not actually being detrimental to town so /care. Once again, contradicting his original rejection of protact. This is huge: before he couldn't accept for one second that protact would play in a way that didn't hurt town, now he's convinced of the opposite. What's the difference? well, in case one protact is denying scum a chance at mayor, in case two, protact is tying up a medic, but still role-blockable. On April 13 2011 17:35 Rean wrote: That just about seals the deal. Cya Coagulation. This alone makes me sure that coag is a bad lynch today. On April 13 2011 18:32 Rean wrote: So he is a assassin, whatever. Doesn't clear you one bit, you've still acted pretty damn scummy all game long. Yes, acted scummy by opposing protact as mayor amirite? On April 13 2011 21:09 Rean wrote: Read the damn thread, plenty of people are reading him as scum, notably because of his extreme opposition towards Prot while also heavily promoting GMarshal to be mayor (without ever giving any solid reason as to why GM other then "had town read on him". You're following scum 101: one of your buddies under threat? Suggest they lynch someone else. Try harder please. mudslinging more mudslinging. If you don't want to read the whole wall of text, read only the quotes that I posted red under. Important points to remember: 1) Rean's attitude towards protact and coag proves that he is mafia 2) Rean's attitude towards his activity level and his responses to criticism indicate he is mafia 3) Rean's lack of contribution and mudslinging just put the nail in the coffin. Lynch Red. Lynch Rean. | ||
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On April 14 2011 07:35 DoctorHelvetica wrote: lol this is almost identical to my list lol I'm thinking at most two of those are scum... | ||
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Really wish we had pm's (not PMS lol) since I don't really wanna show all my cards in the thread... | ||
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Your thought process regarding protact pretty much mirrored mine, so naturally I kinda trust you at the moment. I'd love to have you on board with the lynching rean, so tell me what you think please! On April 14 2011 07:44 DoctorHelvetica wrote: I disagree hugely with a large part of your analysis on Rean, I'll talk about that later with you. ... You replied so fast I don't think you read it. Also there's only one large part to my analysis on rean, and I don't see how you can disagree with it... T.T And, to take care of this for now, ##Vote: Rean | ||
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We don't even get definitive info on redff But it is less likely that he's scum... | ||
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He's contradicting himself! Step a: reject protact without consideration, without hesitation (yes other people did this, like kita and coag) Step b: Call coag scum (not assassin, he said he's scum even if protact flips black) with one of his main reasonings being the way coag rejected protact. That's the main issue. He hasn't taken a stand on practically anything else, if this is the only thing he cares about enough to post about, a townie would be consistent. If you really called for medic prot on protact, I have a problem with that chaoser. You too DrH. But I would have even more of a problem if the day previous you had only taken one stance and that was that protact is obviously anti-town and can't be trusted in the slightest. Again, look at the contrast: On April 11 2011 08:21 Rean wrote: yeah right you're gonna kill mafia while they actually help you by possibly killing a asassin, giving up your night-actions in the progress YEAAAAAAAAAAH, right, you're gonna ignore your own win conditions because you're such a nice person keep trying, you're pretty amusing. Completely dismissive, he 'knows better' than to believe FW could play protown. versus On April 13 2011 17:12 Rean wrote: I'm saying that if he's a assassin, he just made the read on Coagulation because it's pretty easy to see he's scum based on his posting. He's a veteran player after all, it wouldn't be all that far-fetched. Sure, he'd be lying his ass off but he's not actually being detrimental to town so /care. Now that protact has 'caught a scum', rean couldn't care less about his alignment, about his big scary alternate win-con, and how he can't possibly play pro-town? And on top of that, he wants to use a medic on him? Just yesterday, he was convinced that if protact got body guard protection, he'd have us lynching the assassins while the assassins shot the townies. Well, if we medic prot him and he's black, doesn't that mean the assassins will be shooting the medics? He obviously didn't think it through enough. The problem is, this is the ONLY thing Rean has done in the thread, so what that says to me is that he doesn't actually give a rip about town The rest of the analysis was just icing on the cake... | ||
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On April 14 2011 11:42 DoctorHelvetica wrote: coagulation is not a power player I can't see any mafia faking a DT claim to save a lynch on coagulation. that's pretty desperate play especially considering how much dissent there already is to the lynch: and the fact that mafia has no reason to try to get protactinium lynched/killed if they believe he is the assassin (unlike the reasons they would have to keep him out of office) Rean rean rean.... | ||
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On April 14 2011 12:49 MetalFace wrote: + Show Spoiler + On April 14 2011 12:22 redFF wrote: OMG YES, he has 3 posts in this thread and his signup. Let's look at them. I actually responded to it already when it was posted, now that it is relevant again i can bring attention to it. There is no fucking direction or contribution to this opening post. Now let's look at every other post he made in this thread... He says that his direction was that people who attacked protact's campaign had scummy motives. Who had said the exact same thing? Protact had, he is simply mimicking what protact had already wrote. Kita actually summed it up quite nicely with those quotes of him stating the obvious. He hasn't posted since that vote for protact. No reaction to the assassin he voted for mayor claiming dt. Lurking bigtime because he is afraid of someone reading him as scum? Already happened bro, gotta come out and post now. Hey, cool. Sorry I don't post a ton. Don't have access to a computer at all times of the day and this thread fills up faster than you'd think  And if you're upset that I haven't come in yet with some groundbreaking analysis or huge lead, well, you who played with me last time can attest that I'm actually just not that great at the game. And, unfortunately, as I think of things, people seem to have posted it before I get the chance. Anywho, I think Prot is full of crap. Someone else mentioned it but I think it's true that he is actually just an assassin who is upset he didn't get immunity from becoming mayor, so now he needs a new lie to keep himself alive. I think Lynch All Liars should be applied here and we should just out him now, but apparently other people think differently. There's a lot of pointless arguing right now. Just kill Prot. Hot damn you showed up fast | ||
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keeping a vote on him does nothing to change this. | ||
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Bum, I'm sorry I tried to shut you down analyzing DrH/Gmarhsal. I have a town read on DrH, and I didn't see enough of a scum case on Gmarshal to justify a lynch on day 2. He fooled me pretty bad in team mini mafia as well...oh well. Obviously our medic targets and vig targets are easy choices tonight. GL blues! | ||
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On April 16 2011 05:24 aidnai wrote: Despite this being horrible town play taken at face value, as it turns out this was quite a gift to town from Kav. This must have really rubbed the scum team the wrong way. Well, yes, yes it did lol. posted this in the wrong thread TT | ||
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