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chaoser
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States5541 Posts
April 18 2011 05:07 GMT
#3161
what metal -_-
Haven't you heard? I'm not an ex-progamer. I'm not a poker player. I'm not an admin of the site. I'm mother fucking Rekrul.
jaminz
Profile Joined April 2010
United States208 Posts
April 18 2011 05:09 GMT
#3162
So we're down to 16 town and 4 mafia, right?


2. Rean
8. Kenpachi
9. ilovejonn
11.chaoser
12.CubEdIn 2.0
15.TranceStorm
18.urashimakt
21.DropBear
22.The_Roist
23.kitaman27
24.Lanaia bumatlarge
25.jaminz
26.DarthThienAn
27.DoctorHelvetica
29.AirbladeOrange
30.MetalFace
31.Barundar
33.redFF Zorkmid
37.Mig
39.Conversion
"Heroes get remembered, but legends never die. Follow your heart, kid, and you'll never go wrong" - The Great Bambino, The Sandlot
kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9245 Posts
April 18 2011 05:10 GMT
#3163
heh opps. Stop acting so scummy kev! :p
I'm better than dirt. Well, most kinds of dirt. I mean not that fancy store bought dirt. That stuffs loaded with nutrients. I... I can't compete with that stuff.
chaoser
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States5541 Posts
April 18 2011 05:15 GMT
#3164
yeah -_- can we vote jaminz next time please?
Haven't you heard? I'm not an ex-progamer. I'm not a poker player. I'm not an admin of the site. I'm mother fucking Rekrul.
Mig
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
United States4714 Posts
April 18 2011 05:19 GMT
#3165
huh don't vote jaminz.
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chaoser
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States5541 Posts
April 18 2011 05:19 GMT
#3166
why?
Haven't you heard? I'm not an ex-progamer. I'm not a poker player. I'm not an admin of the site. I'm mother fucking Rekrul.
chaoser
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States5541 Posts
April 18 2011 05:22 GMT
#3167
On April 18 2011 12:47 jaminz wrote:
Well it seems that I've done a pretty terrible job of proving that I'm a townie. It's been a bad weekend for me (i've had lots of stuff come up), so I haven't been able to be too active. I read kitaman's post about kevconsim, and it seemed pretty convincing for me. I tend to think kitaman is town from his posting, and so I think I'm inclined to agree with him and vote for kevconsim. Obviously I'd rather stay alive in this game as well, so there's another reason for my kevconsim vote.

I'm around tonight, so if anyone has any other questions for me, I'll do my best to show you guys that I'm not scum, and I deserve to stay alive.


"I'm voting for kev cause I agree and agreeing is all I need and kita and yeah."

Guy increases his post count in this thread by like 50% since day 1. He posts twice per day cycle.
Haven't you heard? I'm not an ex-progamer. I'm not a poker player. I'm not an admin of the site. I'm mother fucking Rekrul.
DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
April 18 2011 05:24 GMT
#3168
so should we kill barundar then

2 roleblockers?
RIP Aaliyah
Mig
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
United States4714 Posts
April 18 2011 05:26 GMT
#3169
I don't know if I should say this but I guess I will since I assume there's a good chance mafia picked up on it also.

On April 18 2011 10:46 AirbladeOrange wrote:
I will just say one more thing about my earlier post. I have a very strong reason to believe jaminz is not red and I'm sticking to it. I'm not as sure that conversion is red as much as I believe jaminz to be town. Conversion just seems the scummiest person to me at this point. I would also be okay with a kev lynch.

Key point I want everyone to read: jaminz is not red
.


Maybe I am wrong here but I kind of thought this was AO basically saying he dt checked jaminz without actually role claiming.
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kevconsim
Profile Joined November 2010
United States317 Posts
April 18 2011 06:05 GMT
#3170
It was fun everyone good luck!!!!
Just to let you know that if you read really slow that you are in fact reading this beautifully written quote you will have totally wasted like 10 seconds of your life.
Barundar
Profile Joined May 2010
Denmark1582 Posts
April 18 2011 06:22 GMT
#3171
On April 18 2011 14:24 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
so should we kill barundar then

2 roleblockers?

Unless there was a mistake from the hosts. Im not stupid enough to fakeclaim roleblock and trade myself 1 for 1.
Bartundar
jaminz
Profile Joined April 2010
United States208 Posts
April 18 2011 06:40 GMT
#3172
I haven’t really done this before, but here goes. Analysis on Conversion:

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What are you even arguing here? I can't FoS someone for being an assassin? So now you're telling me that I can only FoS possible lynch targets?

You can have a completely different definition of FoS in your head compared to the one I have in mine. I understand that you like spamming up threads (you even have a reputation of it), but really? What are you even pointing at here? Am I mafia for misusing FoS in your opinion? Am I mafia for FoSing and assassin, when GMarshal prodded me to speak? Yes I am new and I would rather not speak because I'd make a lot of mistakes that would lead to scum reads from the players that can't differentiate from scum and bad townie play.

Stop arguing about silly things, it's getting you nowhere. If you somehow deduce that I'm scum from senseless arguments like these kudos to you for failing.


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On April 10 2011 15:10 Conversion wrote:
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On April 10 2011 15:02 Conversion wrote:
Yes I am new and I would rather not speak because I'd make a lot of mistakes that would lead to scum reads from the players that can't differentiate from scum and bad townie play.


Thanks, I like to know that I am terrible. You're a great help, Mr. "if you think someone is an assassin announce it"

I never realized there was a part in there that said "if you're a terrible poster, I'm going to attack you for FoSing an assassin."


In his first few posts (example here), he argues with Doctor H about pointing a FoS on possible assassins, and gets a little chippy and defensive when called on it.

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On April 11 2011 19:58 Conversion wrote:
Fair enough to keep an eye on me. I understand that my defensiveness towards DrH's pokes wasn't the most town thing to do.

About to go to school now, but can anyone tell me more about DrH's town play? Is he usually as aggressive? I know Barundar posted some things already, but has there been a case where DrH played an aggressive day 1 as townie?



Here he acknowledges his actions haven’t been very pro-town. Not necessarily anti-town though,

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On April 12 2011 09:33 Conversion wrote:
Well, I'll be frank. I don't like DocH. He comes off right off the bat as an asshole that was acting aggressively to draw responses, as some of you have stated (kav in particular) in your posts.

However, I am not going to let something so trivial deter my vote. He also taught me something, albeit small, most of you attempting to help have not by pointing out that my defense was not very town-like. I'm very confident that, after reading Doc's posts, DocH is green.

Though I disagree with his first lynch (kav), I feel like a more experienced townie in a mayor position would be more beneficial. I have not been able to read his past games- and no one answered my questions- so I'll take the word from a few of you that DocH actually does have an aggressive town meta in a few of his games.

With that said,
##vote DoctorHelvetica


He says that he doesn’t like Doctor H, but decides to vote for him as mayor. I don’t think this is scummy, just weird.

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On April 12 2011 20:00 Conversion wrote:
I'm fine with a DT check waste on me with anything. You'll get a townie read and, unless for some retarded reason you think mafia will make me godfather, no other information.

Yes I played rather poorly, but are you aeriously accusing me of being scum? Maybe I was too wishy washy with the way I voted, saying that I had the town's best interest, but whatever floats your boat.

I was only trying to benefit town with what I read in this shitstorm of a thread.


Being defensive about people possibly calling him scum. This is a bit more suspicious, but still understandable.

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On April 14 2011 01:58 Conversion wrote:
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On April 14 2011 01:24 Barundar wrote:
I'm not sure I agree with you chaoser that it's smarter to use a lynch on coag than to let protac die to assassin. But I agree with you that we shouldn't stop scum hunting.

Jaminez I want to hear your opinion on this situation and your mafia/town reads. Same for you conversion.


Currently at school right now (using my itouch).

Reading through what some of the power players said about protact claiming, I think he's telling the truth. Why would he claim DT if he is scum? I don't think, if he were to be lynched after lynching coag, it's a favorable trade. Also, assassins can't use ANY powers night 1, right?

I'm suspicious of people who are defending coag. I am suspicious of you and GM.

your confidence in your conviction against me and when you defend coag is very suspicious. in your analysis of me being "red," you don't even accout for the fact that I'm a shitty town player. you also ignore the fact that other townies (newer ones) played as wishy washy as i did.

GM because he's been defending and arguing against the wrong people, in my opinion. It's a weak suspicion that should grow stronger or weaker as the game progresses.


He mentions (again) that he’s not a great town player, along with mentioning his opinions on a few players. I’m not sure why he feels the need to mention he’s a bad town player as a defense, but he does.

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On April 14 2011 20:32 Conversion wrote:
Before I go to school, I'd just like to correct Barundar.

I never got modkilled for inactivity, I asked for a replacement due to lack of time (and personal problems).

And I'm sorry I can't be more active, but I'm just going to scum slip without even knowing. I'm a terrible player and this is my first game (why I played a 40 player normal game as my first game, beats me.)

I'm not particularly vocal irl and I'm not particularly vocal on the internet.

So I apologize if you get a scum read on me, and I hope you change your mind, but I have no idea how to go about defending myself.


He seems to consistently be worried that he’ll somehow out himself as mafia. As a newer player myself, I understand not wanting to have people accuse you of something when there’s no real way to prove things one way or the other, but he seems to keep bringing up that he’s worried about people thinking he’s mafia.

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On April 17 2011 00:18 Conversion wrote:
Woulf it even be detrimental to mislynch today?

If not, I'll be fine getting lynched since Barundar seems to believe that I'm mafia because of my play, regardless of what I tell him.

I'm detrimental to town at this point and I don't even know how to make a post without someone analyzing me/questioning me.

If you guys don't care about lynching mafia (as we lost quite a few over the past day/night), might as well lynch a lurker, like me.

But then again, lynching me gets town nowhere, but whatever.


He continues being worried about making posts and having them analyzed, and even goes so far as to say he’d be fine getting lynched.

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On April 17 2011 11:27 Conversion wrote:
I'm reading the thread.

I'm really, really trying to analyze someone but I don't know how to analyze

1) lurkers that post as little as I did

or

2) both players I tried to analyze seem freaking pro town.

Just off the top of my head, people who haven't been contributing as much as I did (none)

22.The_Roist
25.jaminz
30.MetalFace
36.Robellicose
37.Mig
39.Conversion

Now I believe Metalface (?) and someone else (was it Robellicose) were bodyguard.

I doubt can be mafia. There's no way a scum team, with a few experienced players in their team, would allow jaminz to lurk for so long, making four(!!) posts in the entire thread. He hasn't really disrupted ideal town environment, just posted a few things here and there.

M0nsterchef looks really suspicious to me.
+ Show Spoiler [My first attempt at analysis] +

+ Show Spoiler [voting for GMarshal] +
On April 11 2011 08:20 M0nsterChef wrote:
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On April 11 2011 07:35 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
On April 11 2011 07:32 M0nsterChef wrote:
I read the thread and made a vote based on who I think I deserves the role the most. Am I not allowed to vote?


No, but it looks highly suspicious that you don't post any thoughts/opinions (or anything at all really) since the game has started, and then come in and vote.

What are your thoughts on the current situation?

Why do you like GMarshal the best for mayor?

Why don't you like the other candidates?



Alright, so I made a really noob mistake of not posting a bunch before I make a vote. It's my first game here, and while I know that shouldn't be an excuse, it's the only one I can come up with.

Anyways, as for questions

What are your thoughts on the current situation?

Just reading the past pages of posts has made me realize I need to be more careful with what I post, and I should post more often.

Why do you like GMarshal the best for mayor?

-Seems to be more analyst oriented
-Is willing to consider the lynch of kavdragon
-Seems to be "Pro-town"
-Protactium seems to care too much about the assassin game.
-Pandain is trying to get Protactium to be mayor by making people support him through his dt reveal, I don't think this is smart.

Why don't you like the other candidates?
-Now that I voted for GMarshal , AirbladeOrange, RedFF say I should be lynched.
-Protactium has said he is not town.





On April 14 2011 07:38 M0nsterChef wrote:
If we lynch coagulation and he flips green, then do we automatically lynch FW?

Also: which people do you guys think deserve dt/ tracker checks?


A template to set up for his "tracker" claim

On April 14 2011 08:12 M0nsterChef wrote:
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On April 14 2011 08:10 GMarshal wrote:
On April 14 2011 08:06 M0nsterChef wrote:
On April 14 2011 07:45 redFF wrote:
On April 14 2011 07:38 M0nsterChef wrote:
If we lynch coagulation and he flips green, then do we automatically lynch FW?

Also: which people do you guys think deserve dt/ tracker checks?


Why do you ask, are u dt/tracker? How about you post your opinions on anything for once. Do you trust Flamewheel? Do you think we should lynch coag? What do you think of the huge post i made trying to prove to other people you are scum??? You haven't made one post talking about your stance on any issues, come on!!! THIS GUY IS FUCKING SCUM


I'm not scum.


Wonderful defense, I love how you indexed it and everything so I could easily refernce the different points.

Theres a well bodied accusation against you out there. Please try to defend yourself better than this.


I'm a tracker. I tracked RedFF and he didn't go anywhere.


His "tracker" claim. GMarshal even facepalmed at his tracker claim to make it seem legitimate

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On April 15 2011 07:28 M0nsterChef wrote:
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On April 15 2011 07:14 LSB wrote:
[image loading]

Read this

So, you, yes you. Why are you lynching Coagulation? Are you trusting the words of a Mafia who lied about being an Assassin, and has been Proven by Gmarshall to be lying about his role of detective?

Why are you lynching coagulation? Because you think he's red?

How about this. A compromise.

The Plan:
Today we lynch Prot
Tonight we will call for a Vig hit on Coagulation

If Coagulation is hit and survives the night, that means he is vet. If he isn't vet, he'll just be dead. Win win.

Why this is preferable that letting Prot live
Contrary to popular belief, Mafia and assassins have little incentive to kill Prot. This is because they know that if they let Prot live, he'll just be lynched. This is good for them because it takes heat off of them for one day.

We will need to lynch Prot one way or the other. If we do it this way according to plan, we 1) Save a lynch. 2) If coag is saying the truth, we'll have 1 more townie.


I think the vig hit is a lot more valueable than that, and should be used to actually kill a confirmed scum (assuming there are vigis in the game).

Also, the mafia do not have "little incentive to kill Prot". He's just another player to eliminate and killing him will help them win the game.


He soft defends LSB's plan to vig shot Coagulation.

On April 15 2011 11:51 M0nsterChef wrote:
#Vote Coagulation

Although I really think LSB might be sum with his rather anti town plan.


Busses Coag, trying to blend in with town. He even thinks Coag is a waste of a vig shot, but is important enough to warrant a lynch.


Along with this, we have Barundar, a pro-town player, claiming to be roleblocked twice.

M0nsterchef, like the many other times he showed up to post, defends himself with a "I was roleblocked" claim.

Now, regardless if the roleblock thing is true or not, his posting habits and behavior seem incredibly scummy. He posted a grand total of three times after shit went down in this thread.

He doesn't even vote for GMarshal, which was either to not seem like a sheep or he was inactive to take his "bus" off coag.


Here is his big post. He looks at m0nsterchef, and does a few pieces of analysis on others (including myself). There is one part that stood out to me a little bit:

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I doubt [jaminz] can be mafia. There's no way a scum team, with a few experienced players in their team, would allow jaminz to lurk for so long, making four(!!) posts in the entire thread.


This was one of the things that made me suspicious of him, as up until now I’ve gotten the feeling that he’s mostly just a newer player still getting a feel for the game. He mentions that a mafia team would encourage their fellow mafia members to post a bit so they don’t get pointed out as lurkers, but when looking at his posts it seems like he could be just making them so he doesn’t get pointed out as a lurker. There isn’t a ton of analysis by him until this post, and it seems like he may have accidentally let a bit of his strategy for not raising suspicion slip a bit.

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On April 18 2011 09:59 Conversion wrote:
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On April 18 2011 08:20 AirbladeOrange wrote:
I agree on one of TranceStorm's posts but disagree on another one.

On April 17 2011 02:02 TranceStorm wrote:
On April 17 2011 00:18 Conversion wrote:
Woulf it even be detrimental to mislynch today?

If not, I'll be fine getting lynched since Barundar seems to believe that I'm mafia because of my play, regardless of what I tell him.

I'm detrimental to town at this point and I don't even know how to make a post without someone analyzing me/questioning me.

If you guys don't care about lynching mafia (as we lost quite a few over the past day/night), might as well lynch a lurker, like me.

But then again, lynching me gets town nowhere, but whatever.

I find your responses to being put under pressure very troubling though. In the very beginning, you seemed to be more active and willing to question the motives of other players. After Barundur started to put pressure on you, you put up the excuse that you were new and wanted to avoid being seen as scum repeatedly - until we've reached this moment where you are basically saying "lynch me, but you'll regret it!". To me, the fact that you have withdrawn as the game moved on is highly suspicious especially since each post seems to be a justification as to why you shouldn't have to make contentful posts in the future.


I think conversion was relatively scummy throughout the game. No huge tells but he is not helping the town although it seems like is is trying to (or faking trying to). I'm pretty sure someone did a decent analysis earlier of him that was pretty convincing.


On April 18 2011 07:54 TranceStorm wrote:
I'm going to vote for jaminz for today's lynch. Mig's post on jaminz is especially incriminating for me on jaminz' remarkable change in posting behavior. Considering how helpful he seemed to be in the previous game that Mig spotted (Haunted Mafia), you would expect that jaminz would contribute a little more in the current circumstances.

jaminz is a much stronger candidate than kevconsim for me. Reading from his previous games, his contribution always seems to be rather limited which makes him an extremely uncertain lynch target in my opinion.

On the issue of the roleblocks, I think we should wait another day before we make any judgments on whether m0nster or Barundur are lying. It seems especially strange that the number of people roleblocked should go from 1 to 2 (it seems far more likely for 2 people to have been roleblocked on the first night and only 1 on the 2nd night considering the collection of hits between the assassins). If there are indeed 2 roleblockers, why would they choose to not roleblock on the first day?


I stated earlier that all of jaminz's "scummy" posts really point much more to him being a novice at the game than anything else. The same goes for M0nsterchef. I had a strong scum read on him early in the game but once he blue claimed I reversed my thinking on him. I believe him to be an inexperienced player who felt like he had to claim his blue status in order to avoid being lynched. It's a perfectly rational thing to do even if it's not the smartest thing to do.

I think the issue that makes me think conversion is the summiest looking player we have is the fact that he is advocating the lynch of M0nsterchef, who I think we should believe to be blue. He already voted for M0nsterChef as well. Mafia want blues dead and it would be better to kill blues with a lynch so they can focus on killing other players with their KP.

I'm placing my vote on conversion.


SO let me get this straight.

1) you don't want to lynch jaminz because his "scummy" posts point him to being a novice, but that doesn't apply to me?
2) since you "believe" (what the fuck?) m0nster is blue, you think I'm scummy? rofl. okay. so if I claim vet early on to avoid a lynch and behave like a lurking scum, you'd still trust me? great play.
3) you don't even try to defend him by taking apart my analysis.

nice to know a few things about you. next time I play a game with you I'll claim a blue role so you ignore any analysis or post behavior and just believe me to be some newb blue role claimer.


He gets a bit combative here with AirbladeOrange who argues against a piece of his analysis. Airblade wasn’t really rude in his criticism of Conversion’s analysis, so I don’t totally see a reason for why he responded this way.

Overall, I can’t really say I get a strong read either way on Conversion. He definitely seems like a newer player, which can explain a lot of his posts, but I also think that almost all of his posts could be a completely logical style if he were mafia as well. I'm pretty sure Mig is town, and he seems to trust AirbladeOrange, who was the one Conversion was attacking. The attacks sort of came out of nowhere, which tends to make me a bit more suspicious of him. I think he's frustrated that his analysis of M0nsterChef was shot down and that there is now suspicion on him, and so he's being combative to try to stay alive.

All that being said, I'm still not confident enough either way to say whether he's mafia or not as he could just be a newer player getting a feel for things. I hope some of this was helpful!

"Heroes get remembered, but legends never die. Follow your heart, kid, and you'll never go wrong" - The Great Bambino, The Sandlot
jaminz
Profile Joined April 2010
United States208 Posts
April 19 2011 02:34 GMT
#3173
Did I kill the thread?
"Heroes get remembered, but legends never die. Follow your heart, kid, and you'll never go wrong" - The Great Bambino, The Sandlot
kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9245 Posts
April 19 2011 04:59 GMT
#3174
Claiming Watcher

One is the mafia role blocker and one is a confirmed blue
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DropBear, bumatlarge
I'm better than dirt. Well, most kinds of dirt. I mean not that fancy store bought dirt. That stuffs loaded with nutrients. I... I can't compete with that stuff.
DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
April 19 2011 05:03 GMT
#3175
On April 18 2011 15:22 Barundar wrote:
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On April 18 2011 14:24 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
so should we kill barundar then

2 roleblockers?

Unless there was a mistake from the hosts. Im not stupid enough to fakeclaim roleblock and trade myself 1 for 1.

If there was a host mistake I hope they own up to it. I see no reason not to lynch you.
RIP Aaliyah
Barundar
Profile Joined May 2010
Denmark1582 Posts
April 19 2011 05:07 GMT
#3176
On April 19 2011 14:03 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
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On April 18 2011 15:22 Barundar wrote:
On April 18 2011 14:24 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
so should we kill barundar then

2 roleblockers?

Unless there was a mistake from the hosts. Im not stupid enough to fakeclaim roleblock and trade myself 1 for 1.

If there was a host mistake I hope they own up to it. I see no reason not to lynch you.

Already asked. There was no mistake. 2 roleblockers.
Bartundar
BrownBear
Profile Joined March 2010
United States6894 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-19 05:10:35
April 19 2011 05:10 GMT
#3177
Day 4


Night came and went, and once again screams of pain were heard around the district.

Mig came home to find a horse's head on his doorstep. After freaking out for a good solid few minutes, he calmed down enough to look around for who might have left it there. His question was answered when he tried to move it and was struck by a terrific blow from behind.

Rean, meanwhile, had broken into Bill Murray's Fine Spammery and was hiding behind the bar. He figured that since it was abandoned after GMarshal's death, he could hide from his hunters there. He was wrong: they simply burned the place to the ground, with him inside.

CubEdIn had cheated death once, but would not do so again. He was walking down the street whistling a jaunty tune when someone dropped an anvil on his head. It made a hilarious, cartoony clang.


Mig the Medic is now dead.
Rean the Townie is now dead
CubEdIn the Townie is now dead.

It is day 4! 48 hours to discuss and vote.
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Barundar
Profile Joined May 2010
Denmark1582 Posts
April 19 2011 05:12 GMT
#3178
So AO, if you DT checked jaminz, time to claim.
Bartundar
Barundar
Profile Joined May 2010
Denmark1582 Posts
April 19 2011 05:13 GMT
#3179
Did you get any checks off tonight kita?
Bartundar
bashful1
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17 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-19 05:18:30
April 19 2011 05:17 GMT
#3180
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