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Tackster
Ireland429 Posts
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GMarshal
United States22154 Posts
On March 26 2011 17:28 Tackster wrote: If the thread is only going to move fast when it's 00:00 - 6:00 am my time then i might as well stop sleeping... Sleep is for wimps, healthy, well rested, sane wimps, but wimps nonetheless  | ||
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Tackster
Ireland429 Posts
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deconduo
Ireland4122 Posts
The two scum in the item game will try and push whoever they feel they can get away with pushing. They will agree with X being scum no matter what. Jackal just tunnels whoever he feels like, Lemon is new, and Annul has said he has no read on Tack. Pretty strong case there. | ||
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Tackster
Ireland429 Posts
Anyways nice to be defended although given the weak accusation it hardly seems necessary | ||
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Jackal58
United States4264 Posts
On March 26 2011 16:56 Eiii wrote: Mostly just checking in here, but I really don't like the tackster lynch for now. I had him as a pretty green read, and I CANNOT BELIEVE MORE PEOPLE DIDN'T CALL JACKAL OUT ON THIS I thought this was some kind of throwaway joke reply at first but the he started backing it up. Originally I was going to post another selection of quotes from him that I was gonna say made me question his previously-green status in my mind, but then I read over them and realized I was an idiot and missed the point of the posts entirely. I'm hovering around 80% sure jackal's town, but that doesn't mean we sheep after him all the time. If anyone in the item game should be lynched I think it should be darm, lemon and tack need more investigation. I'm not asking anybody to sheep. I'm offering 2 scum at the possibility of 1 townie getting hit. Best case is 2 for 2 and then 4 confirmed townies worst case is 3 confirmed townies. On March 26 2011 20:06 deconduo wrote: Jackal is mafia. I've been talking with several pro-town spirits and they all agree that he's mafia. Ignore the lack of evidence against him, this is 100% proof that he's mafia... The two scum in the item game will try and push whoever they feel they can get away with pushing. They will agree with X being scum no matter what. Jackal just tunnels whoever he feels like, Lemon is new, and Annul has said he has no read on Tack. Pretty strong case there. Guess what decon. Your spirit world don't know jack. And I'm not tunneling anybody. I put out my plan and then spent a half hour jumping through some stupid hoops tinkle toes put forth. I've said repeatedly I'm leaving it in bum's capable hands. Oh and my spirits told me to "rape their faces" | ||
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CubEdIn
Romania5359 Posts
I noticed people were saying that maybe we shouldn't go for anyone in the IG. I still we should, and here is why: 1. The 1:3 shot of hitting a red is not that bad. If we combine it with some behavioral analysis, it should even increase slightly (for example, I would be excluding annul and jackal right now, not because I think they're town, but because annul will probably not be killed even if the scum thinks he's "other-team-scum" because they'll be hoping for a town lynch, so we should have at least 2 players left, and jackal will be targeted during the night if he is indeed town and managed to step on some toes - of course, this reasoning fails if annul's team manages to obliterate the entire IG in one shot). 2. So our odds are pretty good, and you are missing the fact that the black in the mafia game can only be killed by our lynch (to the best of our knowledge). Which means that eventually, we'll have to try and lynch someone there anyway, unless we're giving away the items, or some weird sh*t happens. I doubt we'll have a higher chance of hitting the red/black so later if we do not act upon this on the first night. 3. We don't know what's gonna happen during the night. It's insane mafia, and there are two parties who have interest in winning the item game. That means that, with the help of some random events, the whole Item Game could be over in one night. I know it seems unlikely, but it IS a possibility, if you combine mafia KP with Black KP with some vigilante who happens to be in the IG (*cough* Coag's weapon *cough*) or something. We've seen stranger things happen in Insane. So yeah, I know this post is kinda confusing but I need to go so I wrote it kinda fast. Bottom line is, don't underestimate night KPs, at least until we get to see one night. If we go for the assumption that there will be like 3-4 people left in the IG after tonight, and our shot will be 50-50, I think we're blindfolding ourselves. | ||
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Tackster
Ireland429 Posts
Jackal58 United States. March 26 2011 22:12. Posts 945 I'm not asking anybody to sheep. I'm offering 2 scum at the possibility of 1 townie getting hit. Best case is 2 for 2 and then 4 confirmed townies worst case is 3 confirmed townies. You're not 'offering' two scum your 'gambling' 2 scum... Worst case here is you lynch a townie and FOS 2 more townies... | ||
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Jackal58
United States4264 Posts
I know what 3 of the IG items are. Of the 3 none are particularly beneficial to the black team but they would allow reds to rape us. The other 3 may have attributes that would equally make black damn near invincible but that is merely speculation on my part. I know who 3 of the 4 townies are. Of the 3 of us we are confident in our choice of Tackster. Of the other 3 1 says a scum is definitely among the two noobs in the IG. Annul says it's the other noob. Of those 3 players 2 are scum. Plain and simple. 66% chance that Tack is red or black. 50% of the IG players agree he is scum. 1 other allows for it to be likely. 2 disagree. 1 being Tackster the other annul. Yes we may be wrong but it will pretty much nail the other two to the wall if we are. Worse case scenario 1 townie - 1 red - 1 black. Items to town. I can't make it any more win than that. Again this is more for bum than anybody else but feel free to call me names some more. I am nothing but pro town. | ||
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Jackal58
United States4264 Posts
On March 26 2011 22:41 Tackster wrote: You're not 'offering' two scum your 'gambling' 2 scum... Worst case here is you lynch a townie and FOS 2 more townies... Not a chance. | ||
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Insanious
Canada1251 Posts
1) Jackal58 is scum. He never defends what he says, he simply says "I don't want to reveal info" this is 100% scum behaviour. Scum want to keep secrets, town want to expose them. Anyone who is town, would be happy to explain why they think something, using PMs or what ever else is available to them. A scum keeps secrets. Jackal58 is keeping secrets. 2) Amber[Light] and BrownBear need to post more. They are active players, that look VERY scummy simply due to the way they are playing this game. FOS these two. Now I will be back to talk about Jackal after i shower and get breakfast. | ||
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Tackster
Ireland429 Posts
Jackal58 United States. March 26 2011 22:42. Posts 947 Cubed. That was my plan. Except I picked a name. I said at the beginning of my post outlining my plan I was about to piss off 3 IG players. I know what 3 of the IG items are. Of the 3 none are particularly beneficial to the black team but they would allow reds to rape us. The other 3 may have attributes that would equally make black damn near invincible but that is merely speculation on my part. I know who 3 of the 4 townies are. Of the 3 of us we are confident in our choice of Tackster. Of the other 3 1 says a scum is definitely among the two noobs in the IG. Annul says it's the other noob. Of those 3 players 2 are scum. Plain and simple. 66% chance that Tack is red or black. 50% of the IG players agree he is scum. 1 other allows for it to be likely. 2 disagree. 1 being Tackster the other annul. Yes we may be wrong but it will pretty much nail the other two to the wall if we are. Worse case scenario 1 townie - 1 red - 1 black. Items to town. I can't make it any more win than that. Again this is more for bum than anybody else but feel free to call me names some more. I am nothing but pro town. No evidence. No clear mechanism for you to know any of this. And bad stats. You claim to have confirmed 3 town. That assumes: #1 You yourself are town (unconfirmed) #2 You can somehow confirm peoples roles d1 to a certainty (LOL) #3 You have amazing abilities at reading (seem to be yourself wrong as we speak) Answer me this: how can you claim it is in town's interest to follow a plan from someone that isn't cleared? As you and the others in the terrific trio have not PMd me how can you claim that 'town' consensus holds true when they must be basing their opinions on a thread where so many are calling my reads pro-town? We were speaking about using our alignment PMs to confirm status. Seeing as we're allowed to use our alignment spiels in the main thread to auto-confirm I ask all townies in the IG to check my posts from page 68 to 71. In one of my posts I clearly referenced the alignment PM we got night 0. Compare my posts to the PM. The similarity is obvious. Lastly if you have this magical ability to confirm a town why dont you do it with me? Or anyone in the 3? Ask me the magic question or something... Because if you can't confirm one of the three of us how are you confirming the others? I believe there's a one word answer to that - tunneling. The blind kind. | ||
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orgolove
Vatican City State1650 Posts
I just want to point out how there's no one else that's coming up to defend Jackal. I don't know if that's because no one wants to be associated with him when he flips, or if he's really a townie and we're doing it wrong... | ||
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deconduo
Ireland4122 Posts
On March 26 2011 23:34 orgolove wrote: Sorry guys - still in the middle of a busy weekend here. I just want to point out how there's no one else that's coming up to defend Jackal. I don't know if that's because no one wants to be associated with him when he flips, or if he's really a townie and we're doing it wrong... You do realise this post makes no sense? | ||
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orgolove
Vatican City State1650 Posts
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Insanious
Canada1251 Posts
That is the worst reason I have heard in a mafia game pretty much ever... In a game of mafia, people don't trust the town as a whole because it can be manipulated by mafia. The same can be said about a 6 person mafia game (aka. The Item Game). Mafia ARE manipulating the town in that game... the scum WILL follow any lynch that a green puts forward as long as it is not against them self... A show of hands means absolutely nothing, when the scum are whispering lies into people's ears. Only proof means anything, and without PMs or posts, this means nothing. - - - - Now, lets look to where Jackal SLIPPED UP: On March 26 2011 12:03 Jackal58 wrote: That should read 4 of 6 Alright, so he is saying: - Darmousseh, Lemmon, Jackal, and Coag say Tack is scum - Annul and Tack say that Tack is town but wait... On March 26 2011 14:07 annul wrote: i never told jackal that i thought tackster was a green i never told jackal i thought tackster was a red or black either. So now he is making up what Annul said... Not to mention darmousseh, who doesn't post, is telling Jackal that he thinks Tack is scum. So Jackal lied about what he knew of other players, in order to get Tack killed... very town like right? On March 26 2011 12:22 Jackal58 wrote: Tackster hasn't responded to PMs. Another lie, that we know... Tackster said he hasn't been sent, or has sent out PMs... meaning Jackal once again LIED about Tackster to get him killed. On March 26 2011 12:41 Jackal58 wrote: I am not going to do that. My original post said I am not going to do that. I will not and can not put townies on the line before night one action. You know what I have said. Everything I have posted can be confirmed during night one actions. I will not post PMs for the same reason. My post was more for Bum and his team to go over. But I want to be as transparent as I can be. But I will not kill my fellow townies to satisfy your desire to defend scum. Sorry man. I gave you what I can. It's Bum's lynch. Not yours. He can feel free to lynch me if he chooses. But I just put my dick entirely on the line for town and I feel no special compulsion to further satisfy your curiosity. This doesn't make sense either... He has already said "Tackster is scum" "Me, Coag are Town" "Annul is probably town" So who are you putting at risk? darmousseh or lemon? And i forget, didn't you say lemon was town as well later... So basically you are not putting out PMs because why? Because everyone knows you think Coag, you, annul, and lemmon are town. That darmousseh and Tackster are scum... dude wtf. On March 26 2011 13:42 Jackal58 wrote: I told you I don't really give a shit. I'm not jumping through any more of your hoops to appease your curiosity. Bum holds the only hoops I'm interested in. We have the game in hand. We is town. Go bait some robins. ... and then he cannot find the proof of town in tnkted's posts. So basically Jackal doesn't have the town alignment PM. Jackal is Scum. He is manipulating the IG to win it for his scum team. I believe he thinks that Tackster is the other scum team player... Jackal needs to die. | ||
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chaoser
United States5541 Posts
On March 26 2011 23:34 orgolove wrote: Sorry guys - still in the middle of a busy weekend here. I just want to point out how there's no one else that's coming up to defend Jackal. I don't know if that's because no one wants to be associated with him when he flips, or if he's really a townie and we're doing it wrong... 1) That is WIFOM and has almost no weight. 2) People did sort of defend him (coag, people in the IG, etc) 3) He's not in a mason circle...he's in the IG... | ||
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deconduo
Ireland4122 Posts
On March 26 2011 14:34 Tackster wrote: Lol my PM asked for people to actually converse with me. You're either seeing scum where you want to or trying to create problems for town. Thanks for outing that btw I think it shows how reasonable I am! As a townie I am sitting tight till i get more information... And you should too Tack got the townie PM, Jackal didn't. | ||
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orgolove
Vatican City State1650 Posts
Point is, no one's standing up to really defend him. Either the reds or blacks are really cutting him loose early, or he's actually a townie and we're missing the real targets. There hasn't been any counter-bandwagon formed, something that would've happened if he was a really crucial member of any of the the groups with the information. | ||
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Insanious
Canada1251 Posts
On March 26 2011 23:55 orgolove wrote: WIFOM? Since when does pointing out some obvious ways he may not be a red/black counts as that? Point is, no one's standing up to really defend him. Either the reds or blacks are really cutting him loose early, or he's actually a townie and we're missing the real targets. There hasn't been any counter-bandwagon formed, something that would've happened if he was a really crucial member of any of the the groups with the information. The counter bandwaggon is Tackster... Also, you are defending him now. | ||
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