Mafia is an educated guessing game of epic proportions. The objective of the game is to lynch or kill all mafia members before they outnumber the rest of the town. It's much like a game of poker because mafia members are also part of the town during the day and may manipulate the vote to their liking. If the mafia at any time outnumber or equal the townspeople, they win. The town's goal is to lynch all the members of the mafia.
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Lynch Protection If a bomb explodes during the day, the day may be extended in order to insure that there are 24 hours after the bomb exploding before a lynch occurs
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Fanatic: You have the ability to suicide bomb a player at any point in the game. To do so simply post ##Kill: LSB in the thread. Please note, only 1 suicide bomb is allowed to explode during a day/night cycle, afterward all other suicide bombs will not work until the next day. You will die if you suicide someone and both players will be flipped. For the cause!
Medic: You have the ability to prevent one mafia hit on a player of your choice during the night. As 1 KP rules apply, mafia cannot kill the person you choose to protect. You are not allowed to protect yourself.
Mafia: Your goal is to eliminate everyone else in the town. Your ability, as a group, is killing off whomever you decide on at night and knowing the role of each other player in the mafia. You may choose to kill nobody if you so choose. You MAY kill other mafia. As a whole, your KP is 1 throughout the whole game, so choose wisely!
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On February 17 2011 04:47 darmousseh wrote: OMG, this game is going to be insane. Any time someone feels threatened they are going to just bomb someone. lol. Sounds like fun.
On February 17 2011 04:44 Amber[LighT] wrote: 8 of 8 Fanatics remain (This includes all town-aligned players) ? of ? Medics remain
Do medics have the fanatic ability as well as the protection ability?
Nope.
On February 17 2011 04:52 LunarDestiny wrote: /in
also:
Can blue role or mafia suicide bomb?
Nope.
And I just thought of this New rule. If a bomb explodes during the day, the day may be extended in order to insure that there are 24 hours after the bomb exploding before a lynch occurs
And I just thought of this New rule. If a bomb explodes during the day, the day may be extended in order to insure that there are 24 hours after the bomb exploding before a lynch occurs
I played a game with similar setup. Bang Bang Mafia. Also happened to be the only game where I am mafia (DLYM is reverse so it doesn't count).
20 players, 4 mafia, 1 SK. Major difference is vanilla townie and godfather got guns. Only one person can shoot per day, no consective shot from same person, and they don't die after shooting.
Basically town just destroyed itself by bad shooting.
medic should role claim. Everyone else claims fanatic. Start the game.
As lynch deadline approaches the person with the most votes prove their town by killing the second suspect. If both flip town you were on the wrong track anyway. Otherwise you go into Day 2 with better odds.
On February 17 2011 07:41 Ace wrote: nice setup! Good luck lynching any fanatics though!
oops did I reveal a strategy there!
After the first suspect blows himself up suspect no. 2 (who will also be a fanatic) will have to be lynched
If the first suspect is a fanatic why wouldn't he just blow up suspect #2
Or why not everyone roleclaim on Day 1 :D
Everyone knows suspect #2 won't even be discussed once suspect #1 blows up something, and because he feels betrayed he won't follow the town plan, so suspect #5 will die (randomness wooo). It will be like suspect #10 to be the 2nd lynch, you know, the person that hasn't prodded anybody at all but is a good target because it's too easy to go the inactive route. And regardless of the flip the town greets you like a hero for the amazing analysis of suspect #10.
I'd be willing to bet on this scenario happening at least once in the 2 days this game will take.
On February 17 2011 09:56 darmousseh wrote: Also this would remove the ability for a mafia fanatic to bomb someone right before they die unless they are closely watching the thread.
On February 17 2011 09:56 darmousseh wrote: Also this would remove the ability for a mafia fanatic to bomb someone right before they die unless they are closely watching the thread.
Mafia don't have the fanatic ability.
They don't need it. This is going to be hilarious.
On February 17 2011 07:49 Ace wrote: medic should role claim. Everyone else claims fanatic. Start the game.
As lynch deadline approaches the person with the most votes prove their town by killing the second suspect. If both flip town you were on the wrong track anyway. Otherwise you go into Day 2 with better odds.
Because the killing random people strategy worked great in Big Bang Mafia!
LSB, finished with his giant analysis of the Mafia Nurse Korynne, submitted his analysis to town.
Sadly, he was shouted down, lots of random people poked each other with OMGUS, some people said “oh good idea” and didn’t do anything about it, and some people thought LSB was too smart and tried to lynch him.
But LSB wasn’t done.
Nonono, he was far from over.
He ran towards Korynne, gave her a giant hug, and exploded his suicide vest
Today, we drink to LSB’s memory!
LSB the Fanatic is dead Korynne the Mafia Nurse is dead
Okay, please please hold out as long as possible before using your suicide bomb. It can only help to get more information. It may be beneficial to hold out until a minute before the end of day 1 to blow someone up, in order to get the full extra 24 hours of daytime.
In the last two games that Coag played: Orgah Mafia and XXXVI, he really shaped up his game (he actually tried analyzing. Now he revert to his old self. I thought he decided to played serious from then on.
in all fairness we don't quite know that yet, we are playing in a pretty wonky setup, and the game has literally just stared, some fooling around is to be expected (plus it was amusing)
Anyway, are we going with the plan that the person who is going to be lynched bombs the next scummiest target? or is that far too risky for town, and if you are going to be hung you should just take it like a man? To be honest I'm partial to the second option as in a worst case scenario we lose 3 townies day 1 (really worst case scenario we lose two townies and a medic)
Jackal terrifies me in this game as he has a tendency to tunnel
Anyway, are we going with the plan that the person who is going to be lynched bombs the next scummiest target? or is that far too risky for town, and if you are going to be hung you should just take it like a man? To be honest I'm partial to the second option as in a worst case scenario we lose 3 townies day 1 (really worst case scenario we lose two townies and a medic)
Jackal terrifies me in this game as he has a tendency to tunnel
It's not about taking it like a man, but about if we are certain enough of a second target. 2kp town sounds nice in theory, im sure mafia wants to lay low to not become 1of the 2 suspects day 1.
Please dont tunnel. While this setup allow us to take out red we are personal certain off, atleast try to convince town before going allah akhbar on your suspects...
Anyway, are we going with the plan that the person who is going to be lynched bombs the next scummiest target? or is that far too risky for town, and if you are going to be hung you should just take it like a man? To be honest I'm partial to the second option as in a worst case scenario we lose 3 townies day 1 (really worst case scenario we lose two townies and a medic)
Jackal terrifies me in this game as he has a tendency to tunnel
It's not about taking it like a man, but about if we are certain enough of a second target. 2kp town sounds nice in theory, im sure mafia wants to lay low to not become 1of the 2 suspects day 1.
Please dont tunnel. While this setup allow us to take out red we are personal certain off, atleast try to convince town before going allah akhbar on your suspects...
My powers of persuasion are minimum. So they gave me a bomb.
so, I'm sitting in lecture and I'm bored so I'm going to promote activity, to be impartial I chose the player that had the most original name ##Vote OriginalName
On February 17 2011 19:09 Barundar wrote: Whatever, as long as you use it to pressure people first. And don't blow up our medic.
Seems like the most experienced people in this game are LunarDestiny, Deconduo, amberlight and Chaoser. I bet either amber or chaoser is the godfather
This is so so so so so so important.
Treat yourself as a game decider when you want to blow yourself up. When you do this, you are pretty much cutting the towns numbers down by 1/4 on Day 1 if you mess up, and then again by a 1/3 or 2/5 [depending on our lynching abilities].
Everyone should get their behavioral analysis hats on and start thinking about 4 players. I'm going to assume that there is only 1 medic in this game, since anymore than that would probably be broken for the town. Why? Simple. Role claiming would be a slightly less risky plan with multiple medics since there is less risk of losing our protection abilities as the days continue. Okay so now you want to focus on finding 4 players. 3 of them should be your potential mafia players. Easier said than done right? The other is who you think is the medic. Keep tabs on all of these players. Try to do your best to save your medic pick without vocalizing that you think 'player x is who I think is the medic!'
With that said...
I'm still interested in hearing from Deconduo since he's been rather quiet. I think once we hit the first 24 hours it would be safe to say he's lurking. It's weird because he posted an hour before the game started, but since he's from Europe I'm going to give him a pass on that since he most likely went to sleep by time everything started.
Chaoser is another one I want to hear about. He's been quiet and his only post has been "lawl." He didn't seem very intent on creating a strategy for us to follow aside from laughing.
Lynch suspects for Day 1? I would start with those 2. Chaoser would probably be my bet as of right now since he hasn't contributed after the Coag thing, which people were kinda getting upset about. It's not like he actually exploded! We can't sit around and discuss useless information or play-styles. This isn't exactly innovative Coagulation play it's pretty much normal from what I remember of his style.
lol...we always choose him...What do you guys think about if someone is bombed before lynch then we don't lynch that day? Think that makes sense right?
On February 17 2011 19:09 Barundar wrote: Whatever, as long as you use it to pressure people first. And don't blow up our medic.
Seems like the most experienced people in this game are LunarDestiny, Deconduo, amberlight and Chaoser. I bet either amber or chaoser is the godfather
This is so so so so so so important.
Treat yourself as a game decider when you want to blow yourself up. When you do this, you are pretty much cutting the towns numbers down by 1/4 on Day 1 if you mess up, and then again by a 1/3 or 2/5 [depending on our lynching abilities].
Everyone should get their behavioral analysis hats on and start thinking about 4 players. I'm going to assume that there is only 1 medic in this game, since anymore than that would probably be broken for the town. Why? Simple. Role claiming would be a slightly less risky plan with multiple medics since there is less risk of losing our protection abilities as the days continue. Okay so now you want to focus on finding 4 players. 3 of them should be your potential mafia players. Easier said than done right? The other is who you think is the medic. Keep tabs on all of these players. Try to do your best to save your medic pick without vocalizing that you think 'player x is who I think is the medic!'
With that said...
I'm still interested in hearing from Deconduo since he's been rather quiet. I think once we hit the first 24 hours it would be safe to say he's lurking. It's weird because he posted an hour before the game started, but since he's from Europe I'm going to give him a pass on that since he most likely went to sleep by time everything started.
Chaoser is another one I want to hear about. He's been quiet and his only post has been "lawl." He didn't seem very intent on creating a strategy for us to follow aside from laughing.
Lynch suspects for Day 1? I would start with those 2. Chaoser would probably be my bet as of right now since he hasn't contributed after the Coag thing, which people were kinda getting upset about. It's not like he actually exploded! We can't sit around and discuss useless information or play-styles. This isn't exactly innovative Coagulation play it's pretty much normal from what I remember of his style.
I concur that everyone should do analysis and please be careful with your bombs x_x no need to just blow up everyone. I find it weird that people joking at the start of a game gets LD all hot and bothered.
On February 17 2011 11:31 LunarDestiny wrote: In the last two games that Coag played: Orgah Mafia and XXXVI, he really shaped up his game (he actually tried analyzing. Now he revert to his old self. I thought he decided to played serious from then on.
Good morning. I agree that we should probably use the voting to pressure some inactives right away, but at the same time be careful. If you are pressured, don't blow yourself up right away please. That will just make it harder to identify potential scum.
I'm not sure about lynching or pressuring chaoser right off the bat. He seriously plays chaotically at the start of every game. Actually though he has yet to be chaotic... He tends to be an early target in every game i've played, and he has been town most of that time.
On February 18 2011 01:20 Amber[LighT] wrote: Everyone should get their behavioral analysis hats on and start thinking about 4 players. I'm going to assume that there is only 1 medic in this game, since anymore than that would probably be broken for the town. Why? Simple. Role claiming would be a slightly less risky plan with multiple medics since there is less risk of losing our protection abilities as the days continue. Okay so now you want to focus on finding 4 players. 3 of them should be your potential mafia players. Easier said than done right? The other is who you think is the medic. Keep tabs on all of these players. Try to do your best to save your medic pick without vocalizing that you think 'player x is who I think is the medic!'
What criteria would you suggest for people to use when selecting 3 mafia, and why do you think it's necessary to guess on who the medic is? I've found that if you think someone is mafia, don't get distracted by trying to find connections to others, focus on one lynch at time.
In my opinion it would be great if people posted 3 suspects, but without reasons it's not worth much?
With that said...
I'm still interested in hearing from Deconduo since he's been rather quiet. I think once we hit the first 24 hours it would be safe to say he's lurking. It's weird because he posted an hour before the game started, but since he's from Europe I'm going to give him a pass on that since he most likely went to sleep by time everything started.
Chaoser is another one I want to hear about. He's been quiet and his only post has been "lawl." He didn't seem very intent on creating a strategy for us to follow aside from laughing.
Lynch suspects for Day 1? I would start with those 2. Chaoser would probably be my bet as of right now since he hasn't contributed after the Coag thing, which people were kinda getting upset about. It's not like he actually exploded! We can't sit around and discuss useless information or play-styles. This isn't exactly innovative Coagulation play it's pretty much normal from what I remember of his style.
It's evening/afternoon in EU at the moment. I know deconduo likes to lurk when mafia
On February 17 2011 19:09 Barundar wrote: Whatever, as long as you use it to pressure people first. And don't blow up our medic.
Seems like the most experienced people in this game are LunarDestiny, Deconduo, amberlight and Chaoser. I bet either amber or chaoser is the godfather
This is so so so so so so important.
Treat yourself as a game decider when you want to blow yourself up. When you do this, you are pretty much cutting the towns numbers down by 1/4 on Day 1 if you mess up, and then again by a 1/3 or 2/5 [depending on our lynching abilities].
Everyone should get their behavioral analysis hats on and start thinking about 4 players. I'm going to assume that there is only 1 medic in this game, since anymore than that would probably be broken for the town. Why? Simple. Role claiming would be a slightly less risky plan with multiple medics since there is less risk of losing our protection abilities as the days continue. Okay so now you want to focus on finding 4 players. 3 of them should be your potential mafia players. Easier said than done right? The other is who you think is the medic. Keep tabs on all of these players. Try to do your best to save your medic pick without vocalizing that you think 'player x is who I think is the medic!'
With that said...
I'm still interested in hearing from Deconduo since he's been rather quiet. I think once we hit the first 24 hours it would be safe to say he's lurking. It's weird because he posted an hour before the game started, but since he's from Europe I'm going to give him a pass on that since he most likely went to sleep by time everything started.
Chaoser is another one I want to hear about. He's been quiet and his only post has been "lawl." He didn't seem very intent on creating a strategy for us to follow aside from laughing.
Lynch suspects for Day 1? I would start with those 2. Chaoser would probably be my bet as of right now since he hasn't contributed after the Coag thing, which people were kinda getting upset about. It's not like he actually exploded! We can't sit around and discuss useless information or play-styles. This isn't exactly innovative Coagulation play it's pretty much normal from what I remember of his style.
Ok, the way I see it is we essentially get three lynches per day. Lynch Target 1, if not a medic, can suicide on Lynch Target 2 before he dies. We then kill Lynch Target 3. This is only somewhat fuxxed if Lynch Target 1 is a medic.
I agree that one medic is by far the most likely scenario. If we have two it would be impossible to for mafia to kill them as they can protect each other indefinitely.
On February 18 2011 04:31 deconduo wrote: Ok, the way I see it is we essentially get three lynches per day. Lynch Target 1, if not a medic, can suicide on Lynch Target 2 before he dies. We then kill Lynch Target 3. This is only somewhat fuxxed if Lynch Target 1 is a medic.
I agree that one medic is by far the most likely scenario. If we have two it would be impossible to for mafia to kill them as they can protect each other indefinitely.
and if we are wrong on all 3 then we are in a bad spot, I don't think this is a brilliant idea somehow, unless we are sure of who the mafia is, I belive that if you are a townie and are going to be hung, unless you know for sure (or 90% sure at least) that your target is mafia then its probably better to just die and not take another townie with you.
On February 18 2011 04:31 deconduo wrote: Ok, the way I see it is we essentially get three lynches per day. Lynch Target 1, if not a medic, can suicide on Lynch Target 2 before he dies. We then kill Lynch Target 3. This is only somewhat fuxxed if Lynch Target 1 is a medic.
I agree that one medic is by far the most likely scenario. If we have two it would be impossible to for mafia to kill them as they can protect each other indefinitely.
and if we are wrong on all 3 then we are in a bad spot, I don't think this is a brilliant idea somehow, unless we are sure of who the mafia is, I belive that if you are a townie and are going to be hung, unless you know for sure (or 90% sure at least) that your target is mafia then its probably better to just die and not take another townie with you.
Yeah, I agree, don't waste your suicide ability to kill a random person.
If you do get targeted for a lynch I think the best bet is to act calmly and try to help with analysis instead of being all fanatic-like. If you blow up and kill another townie (or god forbid a medic) then you make the game significantly harder to identify scum. The suicide ability will become a lot more important as the game goes on. Right now, it's basically and RNG mechanic.
On February 18 2011 04:31 deconduo wrote: Ok, the way I see it is we essentially get three lynches per day. Lynch Target 1, if not a medic, can suicide on Lynch Target 2 before he dies. We then kill Lynch Target 3. This is only somewhat fuxxed if Lynch Target 1 is a medic.
I agree that one medic is by far the most likely scenario. If we have two it would be impossible to for mafia to kill them as they can protect each other indefinitely.
and if we are wrong on all 3 then we are in a bad spot, I don't think this is a brilliant idea somehow, unless we are sure of who the mafia is, I belive that if you are a townie and are going to be hung, unless you know for sure (or 90% sure at least) that your target is mafia then its probably better to just die and not take another townie with you.
The idea is that if town has two potential lynch targets, one can detonate on the other, instantly resolving any questions about the two players considered the scummiest. The alternative is that those two players will almost certainly take up the towns first two lynches, so they'll just die more slowly.
On February 17 2011 19:09 Barundar wrote: Whatever, as long as you use it to pressure people first. And don't blow up our medic.
Seems like the most experienced people in this game are LunarDestiny, Deconduo, amberlight and Chaoser. I bet either amber or chaoser is the godfather
This is so so so so so so important.
Treat yourself as a game decider when you want to blow yourself up. When you do this, you are pretty much cutting the towns numbers down by 1/4 on Day 1 if you mess up, and then again by a 1/3 or 2/5 [depending on our lynching abilities].
Everyone should get their behavioral analysis hats on and start thinking about 4 players. I'm going to assume that there is only 1 medic in this game, since anymore than that would probably be broken for the town. Why? Simple. Role claiming would be a slightly less risky plan with multiple medics since there is less risk of losing our protection abilities as the days continue. Okay so now you want to focus on finding 4 players. 3 of them should be your potential mafia players. Easier said than done right? The other is who you think is the medic. Keep tabs on all of these players. Try to do your best to save your medic pick without vocalizing that you think 'player x is who I think is the medic!'
With that said...
I'm still interested in hearing from Deconduo since he's been rather quiet. I think once we hit the first 24 hours it would be safe to say he's lurking. It's weird because he posted an hour before the game started, but since he's from Europe I'm going to give him a pass on that since he most likely went to sleep by time everything started.
Chaoser is another one I want to hear about. He's been quiet and his only post has been "lawl." He didn't seem very intent on creating a strategy for us to follow aside from laughing.
Lynch suspects for Day 1? I would start with those 2. Chaoser would probably be my bet as of right now since he hasn't contributed after the Coag thing, which people were kinda getting upset about. It's not like he actually exploded! We can't sit around and discuss useless information or play-styles. This isn't exactly innovative Coagulation play it's pretty much normal from what I remember of his style.
On February 17 2011 19:09 Barundar wrote: Whatever, as long as you use it to pressure people first. And don't blow up our medic.
Seems like the most experienced people in this game are LunarDestiny, Deconduo, amberlight and Chaoser. I bet either amber or chaoser is the godfather
This is so so so so so so important.
Treat yourself as a game decider when you want to blow yourself up. When you do this, you are pretty much cutting the towns numbers down by 1/4 on Day 1 if you mess up, and then again by a 1/3 or 2/5 [depending on our lynching abilities].
Everyone should get their behavioral analysis hats on and start thinking about 4 players. I'm going to assume that there is only 1 medic in this game, since anymore than that would probably be broken for the town. Why? Simple. Role claiming would be a slightly less risky plan with multiple medics since there is less risk of losing our protection abilities as the days continue. Okay so now you want to focus on finding 4 players. 3 of them should be your potential mafia players. Easier said than done right? The other is who you think is the medic. Keep tabs on all of these players. Try to do your best to save your medic pick without vocalizing that you think 'player x is who I think is the medic!'
With that said...
I'm still interested in hearing from Deconduo since he's been rather quiet. I think once we hit the first 24 hours it would be safe to say he's lurking. It's weird because he posted an hour before the game started, but since he's from Europe I'm going to give him a pass on that since he most likely went to sleep by time everything started.
Chaoser is another one I want to hear about. He's been quiet and his only post has been "lawl." He didn't seem very intent on creating a strategy for us to follow aside from laughing.
Lynch suspects for Day 1? I would start with those 2. Chaoser would probably be my bet as of right now since he hasn't contributed after the Coag thing, which people were kinda getting upset about. It's not like he actually exploded! We can't sit around and discuss useless information or play-styles. This isn't exactly innovative Coagulation play it's pretty much normal from what I remember of his style.
This post has mafia written all over it.
Explain your reasoning or your FOS is worthless.
It has no substance to it. Appears to be well thought out insightful post but it really says nothing at all.
On February 18 2011 04:48 Jackal58 wrote: You guys aren't any fun!!!! :p
Lol.
Kill jackal58
That's the reason there isn't fun yet. Playing fun means RNG kills and I'm pretty sure RNG favors the mafia so it's not a great idea. The most optimal play would be to lynch all the mafia without having to use our fanatic ability. The town exploding itself is the fastest way for us to lose, so we need to be sure we don't do that.
I actually think chaoser has the scummiest posts so far. His first post is too diffident and cautious, like a nervous mafia (reminding me of his mafia play in Mini Mafia IV). His second post brings absolutely nothing new at all.
On February 18 2011 04:31 deconduo wrote: Ok, the way I see it is we essentially get three lynches per day. Lynch Target 1, if not a medic, can suicide on Lynch Target 2 before he dies. We then kill Lynch Target 3. This is only somewhat fuxxed if Lynch Target 1 is a medic.
I agree that one medic is by far the most likely scenario. If we have two it would be impossible to for mafia to kill them as they can protect each other indefinitely.
and if we are wrong on all 3 then we are in a bad spot, I don't think this is a brilliant idea somehow, unless we are sure of who the mafia is, I belive that if you are a townie and are going to be hung, unless you know for sure (or 90% sure at least) that your target is mafia then its probably better to just die and not take another townie with you.
The idea is that if town has two potential lynch targets, one can detonate on the other, instantly resolving any questions about the two players considered the scummiest. The alternative is that those two players will almost certainly take up the towns first two lynches, so they'll just die more slowly.
But we still have to lynch a 3rd person. Then we lose one or two more at night. Start of day 2 town could be down 5 members because somebody wants to suicide rather than hang. That would be pretty much game over. That's a pretty shitty proposition. I'd say save your boom til it's closer to the end and if you are going on pure chance the odds are more in towns favor to hit scum. This is still a numbers game. The longer town remains viable the better our chance of winning.
On February 18 2011 05:07 GGQ wrote: I actually think chaoser has the scummiest posts so far. His first post is too diffident and cautious, like a nervous mafia (reminding me of his mafia play in Mini Mafia IV). His second post brings absolutely nothing new at all.
Earlier I said chaoser is crazy every single game and so FOSing him right away isn't always the best idea, but he still hasn't said anything, makes me curious.
On February 18 2011 05:07 GGQ wrote: I actually think chaoser has the scummiest posts so far. His first post is too diffident and cautious, like a nervous mafia (reminding me of his mafia play in Mini Mafia IV). His second post brings absolutely nothing new at all.
Earlier I said chaoser is crazy every single game and so FOSing him right away isn't always the best idea, but he still hasn't said anything, makes me curious.
On February 18 2011 05:07 GGQ wrote: I actually think chaoser has the scummiest posts so far. His first post is too diffident and cautious, like a nervous mafia (reminding me of his mafia play in Mini Mafia IV). His second post brings absolutely nothing new at all.
Earlier I said chaoser is crazy every single game and so FOSing him right away isn't always the best idea, but he still hasn't said anything, makes me curious.
Are you confusing chaoser and coagulation?
Maybe coag too, but I've played 2 games with chaoser and only 1 i think with coag. I think Coag just wants to provoke people right away. He basically threatened to kill the most recent poster lol.
For chaoser read mini mafia V. He got really defensive all of a sudden.
You guys didn't even know I was mafia till we all stacked votes to lynch pandain or something -_-. People thought I was blue in that game -_-. How is my first post nervous? I was just asking questions to get conversation started. No one was talking at all, at least I was trying to do my part in getting people to speak...don't make me waste my bomb guys =X
TBH, it's starting to get annoying at this point -_- people always FoS me Day 1 when i'm town and don't when I'm mafia...What about originalname who has actually said nothing at all? At least I pressure voted LD...
On February 18 2011 05:49 chaoser wrote: TBH, it's starting to get annoying at this point -_- people always FoS me Day 1 when i'm town and don't when I'm mafia...What about originalname who has actually said nothing at all? At least I pressure voted LD...
Just saying, that line was defensive and a thinly veiled threat.
damn straight it's defensive, i haven't done anything scummy and I got a means to prove it the way I want, want me to? If you got a real case against me come back when you have more than two lines of posts when some don't even have one and it's not only a few hours into Day 1
On February 18 2011 05:53 chaoser wrote: I think i might just blow you up for the hell of it...
No votes are on you. Someone points out that your posts have been somewhat scummy. Your first reaction is to get defensive. Also you drop a theat. When I point out that was a scummy thing to do (which it most certainly is) you say you want to blow me up 'for the hell of it'
If you are town you are doing a great job of playing about as bad as you can get.
Chill down chaoser, there is some weak fos like there always will be on day 1. Your play is alot unlike mini mafia V imo. But I would like to hear who you would lynch/blow up? =)
On February 18 2011 05:55 chaoser wrote: damn straight it's defensive, i haven't done anything scummy and I got a means to prove it the way I want, want me to? If you got a real case against me come back when you have more than two lines of posts when some don't even have one and it's not only a few hours into Day 1
Using the suicide mechanic as a way to prove you are town is the dumbest thing you can do. Instead how about making an actual effort. I pointed out that ONE LINE of yours is scummy and this is your response.
On February 18 2011 05:53 chaoser wrote: I think i might just blow you up for the hell of it...
No votes are on you. Someone points out that your posts have been somewhat scummy. Your first reaction is to get defensive. Also you drop a theat. When I point out that was a scummy thing to do (which it most certainly is) you say you want to blow me up 'for the hell of it'
If you are town you are doing a great job of playing about as bad as you can get.
Bad day, take it anyway you want. When I play mafia, trust me, I never get this defensive. Especially not on the first day. Why would mafia want to call a massive amount of attention to themselves unless it's to martyr? Even that's midgame, not early. That's just bad red play. Whatever, I'mma go cool off.
And to Barundar, I'm waiting for originalname to post + Amber to respond to GGQ's FoS on him. That post did strike me as long winded with no real point. I'll have to see.
Seriously guys. chaoser always gets defensive and ends up being town. Like he said, original is yet to talk and its better to pressure inactives. Mr wiggles also hasn't talked much either.
On February 18 2011 05:53 chaoser wrote: I think i might just blow you up for the hell of it...
No votes are on you. Someone points out that your posts have been somewhat scummy. Your first reaction is to get defensive. Also you drop a theat. When I point out that was a scummy thing to do (which it most certainly is) you say you want to blow me up 'for the hell of it'
If you are town you are doing a great job of playing about as bad as you can get.
Bad day, take it anyway you want. When I play mafia, trust me, I never get this defensive. Especially not on the first day. Why would mafia want to call a massive amount of attention to themselves unless it's to martyr? Even that's midgame, not early. That's just bad red play. Whatever, I'mma go cool off.
And to Barundar, I'm waiting for originalname to post + Amber to respond to GGQ's FoS on him. That post did strike me as long winded with no real point. I'll have to see.
Just for the sake of clarity that was my FoS on Amber.
Looking back what happened after my suspicion post on Coag.
Coag: Didn't reply immediately. In other games, he will reply very fast (even if the reply is simple and meaningless). I am worried about that he was away so he didn't see my post. Again, I wanted to point out that Coag improved his game and actually tried to do analysis. I will be expecting in the future those if Coag is town.
GMarshal: He is the first one to defend Coag and his defense came only 7 minutes after. He then asked and tried to generate discussions. Looking back at his last 2 games (orpah and XXXVI), he plays similar style. Although we don't know his alignment in orpah, he post a lot in both games. This explain why he reponse to my post immediately. chaoser: He questioned that I broke the ice but I don't get how that can be used against me.
And the later part of this quote doesn't make sense at all. If we don't lynch, mafia will just use nightkill and take out one of us. lol...we always choose him...What do you guys think about if someone is bombed before lynch then we don't lynch that day? Think that makes sense right?
On February 18 2011 06:19 Jackal58 wrote: Actually Chaoser's suggestion of a non-lynch if somebody goes boom on day 1 is the only suggestion that makes any sense so far.
I think this depends on how sure we are of the lynch target, but it may be a good idea, assuming we aren't really sure of who mafia is
On February 18 2011 06:19 Jackal58 wrote: Actually Chaoser's suggestion of a non-lynch if somebody goes boom on day 1 is the only suggestion that makes any sense so far.
Yes and no. If someone bombs a town today then:
Lynch today -> Tomorrow is lylo No lynch today -> Tomorrow is mylo -> No lynch -> Day 3 is lylo
We essentially sacrifice a lynch day one for more information. Whether or not this is a good idea I don't know. Its also somewhat irrelevant unless someone does bomb.
It's all about numbers. Of course if somebody goes boom and takes a red with them then it changes everything. But if two townies go up in smoke lynching somebody gets pretty dicey. If we're wrong we have no wrongs left.
I'm here guys. I'm just still getting the hang of analysis and really have nothing to say but you can be assured I'm watching. Also blowing each other up for no reason seems counter-productive so why can't we all just get along T_T
[joking tone]On the other hand next person to make fun of my name gets it -_- (rummages for detonator)[/joking tone]
On February 18 2011 06:12 LunarDestiny wrote: Looking back what happened after my suspicion post on Coag.
Coag: Didn't reply immediately. In other games, he will reply very fast (even if the reply is simple and meaningless). I am worried about that he was away so he didn't see my post. Again, I wanted to point out that Coag improved his game and actually tried to do analysis. I will be expecting in the future those if Coag is town.
It's a weak FoS, and what does it have to do with what happened since your last post? You end up sounding like you aren't really suspecious of him anyways?
GMarshal: He is the first one to defend Coag and his defense came only 7 minutes after. He then asked and tried to generate discussions. Looking back at his last 2 games (orpah and XXXVI), he plays similar style. Although we don't know his alignment in orpah, he post a lot in both games. This explain why he reponse to my post immediately.
No mafia is so obvious as to defend their team mate straight off. Why is it relevant to explain why he responds to you immediately?
chaoser: He questioned that I broke the ice but I don't get how that can be used against me.
And the later part of this quote doesn't make sense at all. If we don't lynch, mafia will just use nightkill and take out one of us. lol...we always choose him...What do you guys think about if someone is bombed before lynch then we don't lynch that day? Think that makes sense right?
Sounds like OMGUS to me?
When I read your post, it comes off as weak fingerpointing. It starts out by saying it addresses what has happened since his last post, but really it just restates your weak suspecions. What more is, you produce wishy washy opinion on 3 people. Whats the point of bolding their name when your comments are so back and forth? When your first post in a long while is so empty, it raises red flag for me. FoS on you.
That said, Coag you need to start posting more.
On February 18 2011 07:01 OriginalName wrote: I'm here guys. I'm just still getting the hang of analysis and really have nothing to say but you can be assured I'm watching. Also blowing each other up for no reason seems counter-productive so why can't we all just get along T_T
[joking tone]On the other hand next person to make fun of my name gets it -_- (rummages for detonator)[/joking tone]
This is not good enough. If you read the mafia guides it's the silent people that gets lynched first. And no, we can't just all get along. If you keep quiet we can't get a read on you. Hence mafia can just lurk like you. And we will be forced to kill you off before we can go after them.
You could easily post your opinion on the no lynch suggestion, as well as how and when we should use our suicide?
For an example, it's my opinion that we should avoid rushing towards lylo. The longer the game, the more information we got.
On February 18 2011 07:48 Coagulation wrote: GO AHEAD. SAY DAY 1 POLICY LYNCH COAG I DARE YA. MAKE MY DAY.
I was waiting for Coag to post this. When he is town and gets lynch early, he goes berserk and say something like coag auto lynch.
@Barundar
Bolding names is just making it easier for the eye.
It's a weak FoS, and what does it have to do with what happened since your last post? You end up sounding like you aren't really suspecious of him anyways?
It is to see Coag's reaction. Coag did changed his playstyle when he was town. I want to see if Coag would lurk and ignore my post, OMGUS post right at me, or explain why am I wrong.
No mafia is so obvious as to defend their team mate straight off. Why is it relevant to explain why he responds to you immediately?
This is to say even if Coag is mafia, Gmarshall can not be concluded as mafia because he defended Coag since it is his style to be active in games.
I won't comment on Chaoser's part because he hasn't respond to me what he mean by we should lynch after bombing. And I don't want people answering the question from him. I want to know the original thought in his post.
On February 18 2011 07:01 OriginalName wrote: I'm here guys. I'm just still getting the hang of analysis and really have nothing to say but you can be assured I'm watching. Also blowing each other up for no reason seems counter-productive so why can't we all just get along T_T
[joking tone]On the other hand next person to make fun of my name gets it -_- (rummages for detonator)[/joking tone]
This is not good enough. If you read the mafia guides it's the silent people that gets lynched first. And no, we can't just all get along. If you keep quiet we can't get a read on you. Hence mafia can just lurk like you. And we will be forced to kill you off before we can go after them.
You could easily post your opinion on the no lynch suggestion, as well as how and when we should use our suicide?
For an example, it's my opinion that we should avoid rushing towards lylo. The longer the game, the more information we got.
Suicides really favor Scum unless were 100% sure which is nigh impossable as there's no DTs in this setup.
Lynching is a nessescity for town victory as it:
A) Its a non Suicide KP (although you could argue a mislynch would cause the same scenario as someone is killed due to night phase) along with information on perhaps motive and experience.
B) Its based on what we want unless we bandwagon on a scum sponsered victim.
Inactivity lynches don't work either as you could be hitting town at the sane time if the mafia is experienced and/or active.
I won't comment on Chaoser's part because he hasn't respond to me what he mean by we should lynch after bombing. And I don't want people answering the question from him. I want to know the original thought in his post.
I said we shouldn't lynch after bombing. If it's two greens that flip we should vote no lynch since we're 1) probably on the wrong trail anyway and 2) will make tmr lylo
so, since activity has died down, and I want people to post ##Unvote ##Vote Amber[LighT]
please post, you have one post that looks constructive and then you vanish, when you vanish like that I have to wonder if you are off scheming with the anti town forces, so please post to reassure me
EBWOP: I know however that Amber[LighT] is obviously a model citizen of this fine nation and would never scheme with the anti town forces, however it is as important for a citizen to appear virtuous as to be virtuous
On February 18 2011 11:10 GMarshal wrote: EBWOP: I know however that Amber[LighT] is obviously a model citizen of this fine nation and would never scheme with the anti town forces, however it is as important for a citizen to appear virtuous as to be virtuous
On February 18 2011 18:25 Barundar wrote: I've gotten stupidly sick and have a hard time just looking at a screen at the moment. @LSB if you want to replace me go ahead.
I won't comment on Chaoser's part because he hasn't respond to me what he mean by we should lynch after bombing. And I don't want people answering the question from him. I want to know the original thought in his post.
I said we shouldn't lynch after bombing. If it's two greens that flip we should vote no lynch since we're 1) probably on the wrong trail anyway and 2) will make tmr lylo
Yes.
I still FOS chaoser for his PMS earlier, but this is a much more constructive post.
On February 18 2011 14:05 Coagulation wrote: OH snap edit. posted in wrong game.
Modkill imo
On a more serious note, there's only been a handful of posts while I was asleep. This should be the busiest time. I would consider everyone playing to be usually pretty active so I'm wondering why the silence?
Agreed with deconduo, i usually wake up to pages. This is not the usual day 1 FoS circus for sure.
My problem with LunarDestiny's post is it's build up as a "here are my thoughts on 3 important people", but really it ends up not saying anything about them. The coag bit could be: I'm watching for if coag has actually changed his play", GMarshal... well he doesn't say anything about him, and the Chaoser bit sounds defensive. So I have to wonder, why does he post a for him pretty long post without any content? I find it suspecious, even if it doesn't mean he is mafia.
Earlier I posted a list of deconduo, LunarDestiny chaoser and Amber[light] as the most experienced, and there is bound to be a mafia in there. The chaoser vs Deconduo fight looks a lot like 2 townies fighting to me. Chaoser's posts where short and emotional, quite different from his long posts in mini mafia V, and deconduo went after him fearlessly, I'm pretty certain mafia would be more careful not to piss off people in a setup like this.
That leaves Amber and LunarD. Amber has not responded to my questions to his posts, and LunarD made a very fast FoS on Coagulation, and later a suspeciously empty post. So LunarD, what do you think of Amber's posting behavior, and Amber are you sticking with Chaoser and Deconduo as suspects still?
I'm suspicious of everyone who has made posts threatening/suggesting that they will blow up. It feels like a mafia thing to do to put on a fake bravado. Legit fanatics have no reason to bring attention to their powers.
On February 18 2011 23:17 Barundar wrote: Agreed with deconduo, i usually wake up to pages. This is not the usual day 1 FoS circus for sure.
My problem with LunarDestiny's post is it's build up as a "here are my thoughts on 3 important people", but really it ends up not saying anything about them. The coag bit could be: I'm watching for if coag has actually changed his play", GMarshal... well he doesn't say anything about him, and the Chaoser bit sounds defensive. So I have to wonder, why does he post a for him pretty long post without any content? I find it suspecious, even if it doesn't mean he is mafia.
Earlier I posted a list of deconduo, LunarDestiny chaoser and Amber[light] as the most experienced, and there is bound to be a mafia in there. The chaoser vs Deconduo fight looks a lot like 2 townies fighting to me. Chaoser's posts where short and emotional, quite different from his long posts in mini mafia V, and deconduo went after him fearlessly, I'm pretty certain mafia would be more careful not to piss off people in a setup like this.
That leaves Amber and LunarD. Amber has not responded to my questions to his posts, and LunarD made a very fast FoS on Coagulation, and later a suspeciously empty post. So LunarD, what do you think of Amber's posting behavior, and Amber are you sticking with Chaoser and Deconduo as suspects still?
I'm not suspicious of Deconduo anymore. He's clearly helping out now and my only problem was that he was inactive. Not really much of a basis to lynch anybody.
I'm on the fence on Chaoser. On one hand we saw the completely useless joking posts that "irked" a bunch of people at the start, and it struck a nerve with me unconsciously, but I didn't want that to be "the only reason we lynched him." On the other hand I agree with his plan that we shouldn't lynch and bomb. It's actually one of the best ideas for us to follow; however we don't have much of a basis for lynching... but wait, YES WE DO.
In my earlier post I stated that everyone should post a list of suspects. Specifically 3 suspects that you would believe to be on the mafia team. Wow isn't that swell? Now since we clearly don't have everybody on board with this plan it's not going to work. People were also asking "why," well it's simple. THis gives the town an opportunity to know what everybody is thinking. It also gives everybody an idea of who's suspicious of who. It's all out on the table. We can then discuss the suspects without any hiding. Deceit is going to suffocate this town.
This also gives us a preliminary idea of our suspects. If there's too many random suspects (everybody picks 3 people in random orders) then we should go ahead and say that we're not ready to blow someone up. Lynching 1 person and then finding out he's just a townie is so much better than playing guessing games with 5+ potential targets. This also gives us some time before we begin voting and it's not going to be a surprise to the lynch candidate that he was chosen. If he's mafia then whatever... If he's a fanatic then hopefully he realizes that he should not try and be a hero and take someone with him.
Don't forget just because we list suspects doesn't mean that we have found any mafia. It's still Day 1 and we need to recognize that as well. I would also say it's important that we agree on not using any suicides at all for Day 1. I really don't think we could be so certain that we're going to hit mafia by sacrificing one of our own tonight. Our odds are much lower than later on down the line, and I've stated this before.
On February 18 2011 01:20 Amber[LighT] wrote: Everyone should get their behavioral analysis hats on and start thinking about 4 players. I'm going to assume that there is only 1 medic in this game, since anymore than that would probably be broken for the town. Why? Simple. Role claiming would be a slightly less risky plan with multiple medics since there is less risk of losing our protection abilities as the days continue. Okay so now you want to focus on finding 4 players. 3 of them should be your potential mafia players. Easier said than done right? The other is who you think is the medic. Keep tabs on all of these players. Try to do your best to save your medic pick without vocalizing that you think 'player x is who I think is the medic!'
What criteria would you suggest for people to use when selecting 3 mafia, and why do you think it's necessary to guess on who the medic is? I've found that if you think someone is mafia, don't get distracted by trying to find connections to others, focus on one lynch at time.
In my opinion it would be great if people posted 3 suspects, but without reasons it's not worth much?
I'm still interested in hearing from Deconduo since he's been rather quiet. I think once we hit the first 24 hours it would be safe to say he's lurking. It's weird because he posted an hour before the game started, but since he's from Europe I'm going to give him a pass on that since he most likely went to sleep by time everything started.
Chaoser is another one I want to hear about. He's been quiet and his only post has been "lawl." He didn't seem very intent on creating a strategy for us to follow aside from laughing.
Lynch suspects for Day 1? I would start with those 2. Chaoser would probably be my bet as of right now since he hasn't contributed after the Coag thing, which people were kinda getting upset about. It's not like he actually exploded! We can't sit around and discuss useless information or play-styles. This isn't exactly innovative Coagulation play it's pretty much normal from what I remember of his style.
It's evening/afternoon in EU at the moment. I know deconduo likes to lurk when mafia
Behavioral analysis. The backbone of playing mafia. Read up on it if you're not too great at it. We don't have a lot of posts to go through yet but the best way is to catch players when they make mistakes. Call them out. Players have already done that. Don't forget just because someone calls another player out doesn't mean they're automatically safe. If people don't give good reasoning then they should be looked at by other players. It's up to all of us to keep tabs on everybody in this game.
I want players to begin thinking about who the medic could be. Don't say it in the thread. This way when you see that name pop up in a list you can start working to save him/her. Medic anonymity is key in this game. Best case scenario is that we lynch mafia today, then the medic has a 1/8 survival. Worst case scenario is someone gets upset, blows himself and another fanatic up, and we lynch a 3rd fanatic, making the medics survival rate 1/5 for night one. That's almost an 8% reduction!!!
On February 18 2011 11:05 GMarshal wrote: so, since activity has died down, and I want people to post ##Unvote ##Vote Amber[LighT]
please post, you have one post that looks constructive and then you vanish, when you vanish like that I have to wonder if you are off scheming with the anti town forces, so please post to reassure me
Quality over quantity my friend. I'm learning to post with more meaning since I typically would get ignored in games with nonsensical banter. You are clearly not following my plan and just gunning me down. I won't hold it against you since I get fans voting for me every game.
Since I don't want to disappoint I want to make sure I follow my own plan.
I want to keep Chaoser on my list of suspects. I am putting him at the bottom of my list though. I like his idea but he hasn't come forward and helped identify scummy players. A lot of players seem to believe he's scummy too and have posted reasons and have called him out on it and he gets quite defensive. And the suicide defense is never a good defense. If we all did that we would never lynch anybody and wait for mafia to pick us all off. We need more.
My most suspicious is definitely Jackal58. You FOS me without much defense. You call my initial post scummy. You won't even contribute other than useless one liners. And the kicker is that GGQ asked you to elaborate on my FOS and you refused to do so. You said it "has no substance." It's the only plan aside from Chaosers "don't lynch AND bomb" plan. You haven't posted anything better than what I have. That's textbook scumplay and that's actually something that RoL did to me in a past game IIRC. All you do is make simple refutes and then barely contribute. There's no way I can sit here and say to myself that you're around for the benefit of the town. You are not helping the town yet want to initiate a smear campaign against me?
My number 2 would be Coagulation, and this is a weak suspicion as well. Him and Chaoser both did the "blow my self up defense" and I, at first, felt it was okay to let it slide, but then he did it again and if we need to make an example out of players then so be it. I really feel like, with Chaoser, that this is a weak suspicion and I would like to keep both of them around until tomorrow. There's not enough on Coag for me to say he's the most scummiest. I also feel like he's going to be an asset late game and we need him around.
I believe we should lynch Jackal58 tonight, and not use any fanatic abilities. I would like the rest of the town to be on board with at least not using the fanatic ability. We only have a couple of pages of content and our most suspicious might be our best bet, but 2 and 3 on anybody's list right now is going to be weak since we haven't really dived into this game yet. Don't forget that it's still Day 1.
If I missed something someone wants to know let me know. I didn't get the chance to post yesterday but I should be around periodically today.
On February 18 2011 23:17 Barundar wrote: Agreed with deconduo, i usually wake up to pages. This is not the usual day 1 FoS circus for sure.
My problem with LunarDestiny's post is it's build up as a "here are my thoughts on 3 important people", but really it ends up not saying anything about them. The coag bit could be: I'm watching for if coag has actually changed his play", GMarshal... well he doesn't say anything about him, and the Chaoser bit sounds defensive. So I have to wonder, why does he post a for him pretty long post without any content? I find it suspecious, even if it doesn't mean he is mafia.
Earlier I posted a list of deconduo, LunarDestiny chaoser and Amber[light] as the most experienced, and there is bound to be a mafia in there. The chaoser vs Deconduo fight looks a lot like 2 townies fighting to me. Chaoser's posts where short and emotional, quite different from his long posts in mini mafia V, and deconduo went after him fearlessly, I'm pretty certain mafia would be more careful not to piss off people in a setup like this.
That leaves Amber and LunarD. Amber has not responded to my questions to his posts, and LunarD made a very fast FoS on Coagulation, and later a suspeciously empty post. So LunarD, what do you think of Amber's posting behavior, and Amber are you sticking with Chaoser and Deconduo as suspects still?
I'm not suspicious of Deconduo anymore. He's clearly helping out now and my only problem was that he was inactive. Not really much of a basis to lynch anybody.
I'm on the fence on Chaoser. On one hand we saw the completely useless joking posts that "irked" a bunch of people at the start, and it struck a nerve with me unconsciously, but I didn't want that to be "the only reason we lynched him." On the other hand I agree with his plan that we shouldn't lynch and bomb. It's actually one of the best ideas for us to follow; however we don't have much of a basis for lynching... but wait, YES WE DO.
In my earlier post I stated that everyone should post a list of suspects. Specifically 3 suspects that you would believe to be on the mafia team. Wow isn't that swell? Now since we clearly don't have everybody on board with this plan it's not going to work. People were also asking "why," well it's simple. THis gives the town an opportunity to know what everybody is thinking. It also gives everybody an idea of who's suspicious of who. It's all out on the table. We can then discuss the suspects without any hiding. Deceit is going to suffocate this town.
This also gives us a preliminary idea of our suspects. If there's too many random suspects (everybody picks 3 people in random orders) then we should go ahead and say that we're not ready to blow someone up. Lynching 1 person and then finding out he's just a townie is so much better than playing guessing games with 5+ potential targets. This also gives us some time before we begin voting and it's not going to be a surprise to the lynch candidate that he was chosen. If he's mafia then whatever... If he's a fanatic then hopefully he realizes that he should not try and be a hero and take someone with him.
Don't forget just because we list suspects doesn't mean that we have found any mafia. It's still Day 1 and we need to recognize that as well. I would also say it's important that we agree on not using any suicides at all for Day 1. I really don't think we could be so certain that we're going to hit mafia by sacrificing one of our own tonight. Our odds are much lower than later on down the line, and I've stated this before.
On February 18 2011 01:20 Amber[LighT] wrote: Everyone should get their behavioral analysis hats on and start thinking about 4 players. I'm going to assume that there is only 1 medic in this game, since anymore than that would probably be broken for the town. Why? Simple. Role claiming would be a slightly less risky plan with multiple medics since there is less risk of losing our protection abilities as the days continue. Okay so now you want to focus on finding 4 players. 3 of them should be your potential mafia players. Easier said than done right? The other is who you think is the medic. Keep tabs on all of these players. Try to do your best to save your medic pick without vocalizing that you think 'player x is who I think is the medic!'
What criteria would you suggest for people to use when selecting 3 mafia, and why do you think it's necessary to guess on who the medic is? I've found that if you think someone is mafia, don't get distracted by trying to find connections to others, focus on one lynch at time.
In my opinion it would be great if people posted 3 suspects, but without reasons it's not worth much?
With that said...
I'm still interested in hearing from Deconduo since he's been rather quiet. I think once we hit the first 24 hours it would be safe to say he's lurking. It's weird because he posted an hour before the game started, but since he's from Europe I'm going to give him a pass on that since he most likely went to sleep by time everything started.
Chaoser is another one I want to hear about. He's been quiet and his only post has been "lawl." He didn't seem very intent on creating a strategy for us to follow aside from laughing.
Lynch suspects for Day 1? I would start with those 2. Chaoser would probably be my bet as of right now since he hasn't contributed after the Coag thing, which people were kinda getting upset about. It's not like he actually exploded! We can't sit around and discuss useless information or play-styles. This isn't exactly innovative Coagulation play it's pretty much normal from what I remember of his style.
It's evening/afternoon in EU at the moment. I know deconduo likes to lurk when mafia
Behavioral analysis. The backbone of playing mafia. Read up on it if you're not too great at it. We don't have a lot of posts to go through yet but the best way is to catch players when they make mistakes. Call them out. Players have already done that. Don't forget just because someone calls another player out doesn't mean they're automatically safe. If people don't give good reasoning then they should be looked at by other players. It's up to all of us to keep tabs on everybody in this game.
I want players to begin thinking about who the medic could be. Don't say it in the thread. This way when you see that name pop up in a list you can start working to save him/her. Medic anonymity is key in this game. Best case scenario is that we lynch mafia today, then the medic has a 1/8 survival. Worst case scenario is someone gets upset, blows himself and another fanatic up, and we lynch a 3rd fanatic, making the medics survival rate 1/5 for night one. That's almost an 8% reduction!!!
On February 18 2011 11:05 GMarshal wrote: so, since activity has died down, and I want people to post ##Unvote ##Vote Amber[LighT]
please post, you have one post that looks constructive and then you vanish, when you vanish like that I have to wonder if you are off scheming with the anti town forces, so please post to reassure me
Quality over quantity my friend. I'm learning to post with more meaning since I typically would get ignored in games with nonsensical banter. You are clearly not following my plan and just gunning me down. I won't hold it against you since I get fans voting for me every game.
Since I don't want to disappoint I want to make sure I follow my own plan.
I want to keep Chaoser on my list of suspects. I am putting him at the bottom of my list though. I like his idea but he hasn't come forward and helped identify scummy players. A lot of players seem to believe he's scummy too and have posted reasons and have called him out on it and he gets quite defensive. And the suicide defense is never a good defense. If we all did that we would never lynch anybody and wait for mafia to pick us all off. We need more.
My most suspicious is definitely Jackal58. You FOS me without much defense. You call my initial post scummy. You won't even contribute other than useless one liners. And the kicker is that GGQ asked you to elaborate on my FOS and you refused to do so. You said it "has no substance." It's the only plan aside from Chaosers "don't lynch AND bomb" plan. You haven't posted anything better than what I have. That's textbook scumplay and that's actually something that RoL did to me in a past game IIRC. All you do is make simple refutes and then barely contribute. There's no way I can sit here and say to myself that you're around for the benefit of the town. You are not helping the town yet want to initiate a smear campaign against me?
My number 2 would be Coagulation, and this is a weak suspicion as well. Him and Chaoser both did the "blow my self up defense" and I, at first, felt it was okay to let it slide, but then he did it again and if we need to make an example out of players then so be it. I really feel like, with Chaoser, that this is a weak suspicion and I would like to keep both of them around until tomorrow. There's not enough on Coag for me to say he's the most scummiest. I also feel like he's going to be an asset late game and we need him around.
I believe we should lynch Jackal58 tonight, and not use any fanatic abilities. I would like the rest of the town to be on board with at least not using the fanatic ability. We only have a couple of pages of content and our most suspicious might be our best bet, but 2 and 3 on anybody's list right now is going to be weak since we haven't really dived into this game yet. Don't forget that it's still Day 1.
If I missed something someone wants to know let me know. I didn't get the chance to post yesterday but I should be around periodically today.
I don't need to write a book to say this is just more of the nothing you said before. That doesn't make me scummy. Nice OMGUS btw.
Good morning, that analysis by amber is waaaay too long. Still no idea who to lynch first and I'm afraid if we pick someone too early, they will just blow themselves up.
For now, if I don't get another chance to vote I'm going to vote chaoser because he is acting strangely yet predictably. Makes him hard to analyze.
On February 18 2011 23:17 Barundar wrote: Agreed with deconduo, i usually wake up to pages. This is not the usual day 1 FoS circus for sure.
My problem with LunarDestiny's post is it's build up as a "here are my thoughts on 3 important people", but really it ends up not saying anything about them. The coag bit could be: I'm watching for if coag has actually changed his play", GMarshal... well he doesn't say anything about him, and the Chaoser bit sounds defensive. So I have to wonder, why does he post a for him pretty long post without any content? I find it suspecious, even if it doesn't mean he is mafia.
Earlier I posted a list of deconduo, LunarDestiny chaoser and Amber[light] as the most experienced, and there is bound to be a mafia in there. The chaoser vs Deconduo fight looks a lot like 2 townies fighting to me. Chaoser's posts where short and emotional, quite different from his long posts in mini mafia V, and deconduo went after him fearlessly, I'm pretty certain mafia would be more careful not to piss off people in a setup like this.
That leaves Amber and LunarD. Amber has not responded to my questions to his posts, and LunarD made a very fast FoS on Coagulation, and later a suspeciously empty post. So LunarD, what do you think of Amber's posting behavior, and Amber are you sticking with Chaoser and Deconduo as suspects still?
I'm not suspicious of Deconduo anymore. He's clearly helping out now and my only problem was that he was inactive. Not really much of a basis to lynch anybody.
I'm on the fence on Chaoser. On one hand we saw the completely useless joking posts that "irked" a bunch of people at the start, and it struck a nerve with me unconsciously, but I didn't want that to be "the only reason we lynched him." On the other hand I agree with his plan that we shouldn't lynch and bomb. It's actually one of the best ideas for us to follow; however we don't have much of a basis for lynching... but wait, YES WE DO.
In my earlier post I stated that everyone should post a list of suspects. Specifically 3 suspects that you would believe to be on the mafia team. Wow isn't that swell? Now since we clearly don't have everybody on board with this plan it's not going to work. People were also asking "why," well it's simple. THis gives the town an opportunity to know what everybody is thinking. It also gives everybody an idea of who's suspicious of who. It's all out on the table. We can then discuss the suspects without any hiding. Deceit is going to suffocate this town.
This also gives us a preliminary idea of our suspects. If there's too many random suspects (everybody picks 3 people in random orders) then we should go ahead and say that we're not ready to blow someone up. Lynching 1 person and then finding out he's just a townie is so much better than playing guessing games with 5+ potential targets. This also gives us some time before we begin voting and it's not going to be a surprise to the lynch candidate that he was chosen. If he's mafia then whatever... If he's a fanatic then hopefully he realizes that he should not try and be a hero and take someone with him.
Don't forget just because we list suspects doesn't mean that we have found any mafia. It's still Day 1 and we need to recognize that as well. I would also say it's important that we agree on not using any suicides at all for Day 1. I really don't think we could be so certain that we're going to hit mafia by sacrificing one of our own tonight. Our odds are much lower than later on down the line, and I've stated this before.
On February 18 2011 01:20 Amber[LighT] wrote: Everyone should get their behavioral analysis hats on and start thinking about 4 players. I'm going to assume that there is only 1 medic in this game, since anymore than that would probably be broken for the town. Why? Simple. Role claiming would be a slightly less risky plan with multiple medics since there is less risk of losing our protection abilities as the days continue. Okay so now you want to focus on finding 4 players. 3 of them should be your potential mafia players. Easier said than done right? The other is who you think is the medic. Keep tabs on all of these players. Try to do your best to save your medic pick without vocalizing that you think 'player x is who I think is the medic!'
What criteria would you suggest for people to use when selecting 3 mafia, and why do you think it's necessary to guess on who the medic is? I've found that if you think someone is mafia, don't get distracted by trying to find connections to others, focus on one lynch at time.
In my opinion it would be great if people posted 3 suspects, but without reasons it's not worth much?
With that said...
I'm still interested in hearing from Deconduo since he's been rather quiet. I think once we hit the first 24 hours it would be safe to say he's lurking. It's weird because he posted an hour before the game started, but since he's from Europe I'm going to give him a pass on that since he most likely went to sleep by time everything started.
Chaoser is another one I want to hear about. He's been quiet and his only post has been "lawl." He didn't seem very intent on creating a strategy for us to follow aside from laughing.
Lynch suspects for Day 1? I would start with those 2. Chaoser would probably be my bet as of right now since he hasn't contributed after the Coag thing, which people were kinda getting upset about. It's not like he actually exploded! We can't sit around and discuss useless information or play-styles. This isn't exactly innovative Coagulation play it's pretty much normal from what I remember of his style.
It's evening/afternoon in EU at the moment. I know deconduo likes to lurk when mafia
Behavioral analysis. The backbone of playing mafia. Read up on it if you're not too great at it. We don't have a lot of posts to go through yet but the best way is to catch players when they make mistakes. Call them out. Players have already done that. Don't forget just because someone calls another player out doesn't mean they're automatically safe. If people don't give good reasoning then they should be looked at by other players. It's up to all of us to keep tabs on everybody in this game.
I want players to begin thinking about who the medic could be. Don't say it in the thread. This way when you see that name pop up in a list you can start working to save him/her. Medic anonymity is key in this game. Best case scenario is that we lynch mafia today, then the medic has a 1/8 survival. Worst case scenario is someone gets upset, blows himself and another fanatic up, and we lynch a 3rd fanatic, making the medics survival rate 1/5 for night one. That's almost an 8% reduction!!!
On February 18 2011 11:05 GMarshal wrote: so, since activity has died down, and I want people to post ##Unvote ##Vote Amber[LighT]
please post, you have one post that looks constructive and then you vanish, when you vanish like that I have to wonder if you are off scheming with the anti town forces, so please post to reassure me
Quality over quantity my friend. I'm learning to post with more meaning since I typically would get ignored in games with nonsensical banter. You are clearly not following my plan and just gunning me down. I won't hold it against you since I get fans voting for me every game.
Since I don't want to disappoint I want to make sure I follow my own plan.
I want to keep Chaoser on my list of suspects. I am putting him at the bottom of my list though. I like his idea but he hasn't come forward and helped identify scummy players. A lot of players seem to believe he's scummy too and have posted reasons and have called him out on it and he gets quite defensive. And the suicide defense is never a good defense. If we all did that we would never lynch anybody and wait for mafia to pick us all off. We need more.
My most suspicious is definitely Jackal58. You FOS me without much defense. You call my initial post scummy. You won't even contribute other than useless one liners. And the kicker is that GGQ asked you to elaborate on my FOS and you refused to do so. You said it "has no substance." It's the only plan aside from Chaosers "don't lynch AND bomb" plan. You haven't posted anything better than what I have. That's textbook scumplay and that's actually something that RoL did to me in a past game IIRC. All you do is make simple refutes and then barely contribute. There's no way I can sit here and say to myself that you're around for the benefit of the town. You are not helping the town yet want to initiate a smear campaign against me?
My number 2 would be Coagulation, and this is a weak suspicion as well. Him and Chaoser both did the "blow my self up defense" and I, at first, felt it was okay to let it slide, but then he did it again and if we need to make an example out of players then so be it. I really feel like, with Chaoser, that this is a weak suspicion and I would like to keep both of them around until tomorrow. There's not enough on Coag for me to say he's the most scummiest. I also feel like he's going to be an asset late game and we need him around.
I believe we should lynch Jackal58 tonight, and not use any fanatic abilities. I would like the rest of the town to be on board with at least not using the fanatic ability. We only have a couple of pages of content and our most suspicious might be our best bet, but 2 and 3 on anybody's list right now is going to be weak since we haven't really dived into this game yet. Don't forget that it's still Day 1.
If I missed something someone wants to know let me know. I didn't get the chance to post yesterday but I should be around periodically today.
I don't need to write a book to say this is just more of the nothing you said before. That doesn't make me scummy. Nice OMGUS btw.
Ok, I dont see how you can say that Amber's post consists of "nothing" in it he makes a couple good points, 1.) Everyone should try to identify the medic so in case he seems likely to be lynched the lynch can be redirected 2.) We should all make a list of our top 3 suspects, he dosn't really clarify why but is seems like a good idea 3.) Generic do behavioral analysis advice 4.) pokes lurkers 5.) posts a list of 3 suspects 6.) replies to my poke
so it isn't "nothing" it just seems more wordy than is strictly necessary, but that isn't a problem
On February 18 2011 23:17 Barundar wrote: Agreed with deconduo, i usually wake up to pages. This is not the usual day 1 FoS circus for sure.
My problem with LunarDestiny's post is it's build up as a "here are my thoughts on 3 important people", but really it ends up not saying anything about them. The coag bit could be: I'm watching for if coag has actually changed his play", GMarshal... well he doesn't say anything about him, and the Chaoser bit sounds defensive. So I have to wonder, why does he post a for him pretty long post without any content? I find it suspecious, even if it doesn't mean he is mafia.
Earlier I posted a list of deconduo, LunarDestiny chaoser and Amber[light] as the most experienced, and there is bound to be a mafia in there. The chaoser vs Deconduo fight looks a lot like 2 townies fighting to me. Chaoser's posts where short and emotional, quite different from his long posts in mini mafia V, and deconduo went after him fearlessly, I'm pretty certain mafia would be more careful not to piss off people in a setup like this.
That leaves Amber and LunarD. Amber has not responded to my questions to his posts, and LunarD made a very fast FoS on Coagulation, and later a suspeciously empty post. So LunarD, what do you think of Amber's posting behavior, and Amber are you sticking with Chaoser and Deconduo as suspects still?
I'm not suspicious of Deconduo anymore. He's clearly helping out now and my only problem was that he was inactive. Not really much of a basis to lynch anybody.
I'm on the fence on Chaoser. On one hand we saw the completely useless joking posts that "irked" a bunch of people at the start, and it struck a nerve with me unconsciously, but I didn't want that to be "the only reason we lynched him." On the other hand I agree with his plan that we shouldn't lynch and bomb. It's actually one of the best ideas for us to follow; however we don't have much of a basis for lynching... but wait, YES WE DO.
In my earlier post I stated that everyone should post a list of suspects. Specifically 3 suspects that you would believe to be on the mafia team. Wow isn't that swell? Now since we clearly don't have everybody on board with this plan it's not going to work. People were also asking "why," well it's simple. THis gives the town an opportunity to know what everybody is thinking. It also gives everybody an idea of who's suspicious of who. It's all out on the table. We can then discuss the suspects without any hiding. Deceit is going to suffocate this town.
This also gives us a preliminary idea of our suspects. If there's too many random suspects (everybody picks 3 people in random orders) then we should go ahead and say that we're not ready to blow someone up. Lynching 1 person and then finding out he's just a townie is so much better than playing guessing games with 5+ potential targets. This also gives us some time before we begin voting and it's not going to be a surprise to the lynch candidate that he was chosen. If he's mafia then whatever... If he's a fanatic then hopefully he realizes that he should not try and be a hero and take someone with him.
Don't forget just because we list suspects doesn't mean that we have found any mafia. It's still Day 1 and we need to recognize that as well. I would also say it's important that we agree on not using any suicides at all for Day 1. I really don't think we could be so certain that we're going to hit mafia by sacrificing one of our own tonight. Our odds are much lower than later on down the line, and I've stated this before.
On February 18 2011 01:20 Amber[LighT] wrote: Everyone should get their behavioral analysis hats on and start thinking about 4 players. I'm going to assume that there is only 1 medic in this game, since anymore than that would probably be broken for the town. Why? Simple. Role claiming would be a slightly less risky plan with multiple medics since there is less risk of losing our protection abilities as the days continue. Okay so now you want to focus on finding 4 players. 3 of them should be your potential mafia players. Easier said than done right? The other is who you think is the medic. Keep tabs on all of these players. Try to do your best to save your medic pick without vocalizing that you think 'player x is who I think is the medic!'
What criteria would you suggest for people to use when selecting 3 mafia, and why do you think it's necessary to guess on who the medic is? I've found that if you think someone is mafia, don't get distracted by trying to find connections to others, focus on one lynch at time.
In my opinion it would be great if people posted 3 suspects, but without reasons it's not worth much?
With that said...
I'm still interested in hearing from Deconduo since he's been rather quiet. I think once we hit the first 24 hours it would be safe to say he's lurking. It's weird because he posted an hour before the game started, but since he's from Europe I'm going to give him a pass on that since he most likely went to sleep by time everything started.
Chaoser is another one I want to hear about. He's been quiet and his only post has been "lawl." He didn't seem very intent on creating a strategy for us to follow aside from laughing.
Lynch suspects for Day 1? I would start with those 2. Chaoser would probably be my bet as of right now since he hasn't contributed after the Coag thing, which people were kinda getting upset about. It's not like he actually exploded! We can't sit around and discuss useless information or play-styles. This isn't exactly innovative Coagulation play it's pretty much normal from what I remember of his style.
It's evening/afternoon in EU at the moment. I know deconduo likes to lurk when mafia
Behavioral analysis. The backbone of playing mafia. Read up on it if you're not too great at it. We don't have a lot of posts to go through yet but the best way is to catch players when they make mistakes. Call them out. Players have already done that. Don't forget just because someone calls another player out doesn't mean they're automatically safe. If people don't give good reasoning then they should be looked at by other players. It's up to all of us to keep tabs on everybody in this game.
I want players to begin thinking about who the medic could be. Don't say it in the thread. This way when you see that name pop up in a list you can start working to save him/her. Medic anonymity is key in this game. Best case scenario is that we lynch mafia today, then the medic has a 1/8 survival. Worst case scenario is someone gets upset, blows himself and another fanatic up, and we lynch a 3rd fanatic, making the medics survival rate 1/5 for night one. That's almost an 8% reduction!!!
On February 18 2011 11:05 GMarshal wrote: so, since activity has died down, and I want people to post ##Unvote ##Vote Amber[LighT]
please post, you have one post that looks constructive and then you vanish, when you vanish like that I have to wonder if you are off scheming with the anti town forces, so please post to reassure me
Quality over quantity my friend. I'm learning to post with more meaning since I typically would get ignored in games with nonsensical banter. You are clearly not following my plan and just gunning me down. I won't hold it against you since I get fans voting for me every game.
Since I don't want to disappoint I want to make sure I follow my own plan.
I want to keep Chaoser on my list of suspects. I am putting him at the bottom of my list though. I like his idea but he hasn't come forward and helped identify scummy players. A lot of players seem to believe he's scummy too and have posted reasons and have called him out on it and he gets quite defensive. And the suicide defense is never a good defense. If we all did that we would never lynch anybody and wait for mafia to pick us all off. We need more.
My most suspicious is definitely Jackal58. You FOS me without much defense. You call my initial post scummy. You won't even contribute other than useless one liners. And the kicker is that GGQ asked you to elaborate on my FOS and you refused to do so. You said it "has no substance." It's the only plan aside from Chaosers "don't lynch AND bomb" plan. You haven't posted anything better than what I have. That's textbook scumplay and that's actually something that RoL did to me in a past game IIRC. All you do is make simple refutes and then barely contribute. There's no way I can sit here and say to myself that you're around for the benefit of the town. You are not helping the town yet want to initiate a smear campaign against me?
My number 2 would be Coagulation, and this is a weak suspicion as well. Him and Chaoser both did the "blow my self up defense" and I, at first, felt it was okay to let it slide, but then he did it again and if we need to make an example out of players then so be it. I really feel like, with Chaoser, that this is a weak suspicion and I would like to keep both of them around until tomorrow. There's not enough on Coag for me to say he's the most scummiest. I also feel like he's going to be an asset late game and we need him around.
I believe we should lynch Jackal58 tonight, and not use any fanatic abilities. I would like the rest of the town to be on board with at least not using the fanatic ability. We only have a couple of pages of content and our most suspicious might be our best bet, but 2 and 3 on anybody's list right now is going to be weak since we haven't really dived into this game yet. Don't forget that it's still Day 1.
If I missed something someone wants to know let me know. I didn't get the chance to post yesterday but I should be around periodically today.
I don't need to write a book to say this is just more of the nothing you said before. That doesn't make me scummy. Nice OMGUS btw.
Ok, I dont see how you can say that Amber's post consists of "nothing" in it he makes a couple good points, 1.) Everyone should try to identify the medic so in case he seems likely to be lynched the lynch can be redirected 2.) We should all make a list of our top 3 suspects, he dosn't really clarify why but is seems like a good idea 3.) Generic do behavioral analysis advice 4.) pokes lurkers 5.) posts a list of 3 suspects 6.) replies to my poke
so it isn't "nothing" it just seems more wordy than is strictly necessary, but that isn't a problem
To be strictly honest all jackal seems to be doing is more useless one liners. And while I generally dont see post length as rediculously scummy indicator id really like to see more analysis and reasoning from him.
I have a problem getting behind a person who accuses without really explaining his intentions or why somebody believes someone who seems to be contributing is scum and Amber seems to be honestly contributing albeit I can see where I he is getting at in a way I dont think I quite agree with him yet.
Amber in the games ive seen with him generally has a good scum-hunting record and Jackals style seems to be referencing how hes playing.
Ill probably have to vote within the next 4 or so hours so unless more info comes up i have a good idea who im voting for. (Albeit i really dont think it will be Jackal unless he really slips soon).
Since I don't think its a bad idea I'll go with my list of lynch targets
1.) Original Name: He dosn't seem to be saying much at all, I want him to contribute more, especialy since I've never played with him before and I have no idea of what his posting style is like
2.) Amber[LighT] I like his post, alot, however most of it seems generic town advice, don't blow each other up, identify medic and mafia, etc. I'm going to follow his idea of listing our top 3 suspects because it seems like a decent one. However my gut tells me that he is probably mafia, so for that reason I am going to keep him on my list
3.) Jackal, his contributions have been rather poor and he seems to be tunneling on Amber[LighT], knowing Jackal's style if he isn't mafia then I expect him to be kamikazing someone before day 3 is over, but I guess we'll see, he's on my radar as possible scum for now
of course, just as I say that you post ON , ah well, time to take a look at chaoser as a possible target, although he seems to be playing his normal style
On February 19 2011 03:25 GMarshal wrote: of course, just as I say that you post ON , ah well, time to take a look at chaoser as a possible target, although he seems to be playing his normal style
naww its ok man im still new to mafia and im not used to making long posts like that xD
On February 19 2011 03:24 GMarshal wrote: Since I don't think its a bad idea I'll go with my list of lynch targets
1.) Original Name: He dosn't seem to be saying much at all, I want him to contribute more, especialy since I've never played with him before and I have no idea of what his posting style is like
2.) Amber[LighT] I like his post, alot, however most of it seems generic town advice, don't blow each other up, identify medic and mafia, etc. I'm going to follow his idea of listing our top 3 suspects because it seems like a decent one. However my gut tells me that he is probably mafia, so for that reason I am going to keep him on my list
3.) Jackal, his contributions have been rather poor and he seems to be tunneling on Amber[LighT], knowing Jackal's style if he isn't mafia then I expect him to be kamikazing someone before day 3 is over, but I guess we'll see, he's on my radar as possible scum for now
I'm not tunneling him. Just nobody has said much of anything and what he has said amounts to about as much as my one liners.
But we still have to lynch a 3rd person. Then we lose one or two more at night. Start of day 2 town could be down 5 members because somebody wants to suicide rather than hang. That would be pretty much game over. That's a pretty shitty proposition. I'd say save your boom til it's closer to the end and if you are going on pure chance the odds are more in towns favor to hit scum. This is still a numbers game. The longer town remains viable the better our chance of winning
Although its obvious, pointing this out is important, as the more we emphasize a non-suicide policy the more likely we are to win, I can count it as a contribution, much like Amber's try to guess medic and keep him alive
Actually Chaoser's suggestion of a non-lynch if somebody goes boom on day 1 is the only suggestion that makes any sense so far . supporting a good idea, I can count this as a contribution too
It's all about numbers. Of course if somebody goes boom and takes a red with them then it changes everything. But if two townies go up in smoke lynching somebody gets pretty dicey. If we're wrong we have no wrongs left. pointed out earlier, still though good to defend good idea
Conclusion, as I see it Amber[Light] has contributed more in his post than you in your one liners, still though there is some level of contribution in your posts, for now I think you are town, just playing your usual game
Moslty because i really cant see who else would be scum right now and im agree with Gmarshals conclusion :/
Coagulation is acting as normal unreadable Amber has been disscussed to death today Chaoser while weak still has something on him
If i see a reason to change before the deadline and i get the chance i will do so however but im nto sure how active i can be till around 8-9CST and tommorrow i will probably dead silent until around 7-8 EST as im on a plane (if i find Wi-Fi i will post though) but i will try to keep track as best i can.
Chaoser is deep shit now. Three people voted for him (two people mistyped).
Well, here is my challenge to you, Chaoser. Suicide (if you can) to the person you think is scum If you can't I am going to blow you. Either way, town will get information on the lynch with additional 24 hours.
I will blow you after 7:00 KST (1.5 hour from now).
Doh, i messed up my vote. Lunar, that was really a bold move. Why are you trying to force chaoser to blow up someone? We need to live as long as possible so we can get more information.
On February 19 2011 05:27 LunarDestiny wrote: Chaoser is deep shit now. Three people voted for him (two people mistyped).
Well, here is my challenge to you, Chaoser. Suicide (if you can) to the person you think is scum If you can't I am going to blow you. Either way, town will get information on the lynch with additional 24 hours.
I will blow you after 7:00 KST (1.5 hour from now).
What possible good does it do to blow any body up right now? I'm betting you can't. ##VOTE: Lunar Destiny
Let's write out all the thoughts on people first though...
GGQ - Only one liners, answers some questions, and FoS me.
darmousseh - Writes that I'm acting like I usually do so not really suspicious and then votes me cause i'm acting as I usually do
Coag - 100% nothing contributed, jokes about blowing people up, edits a post, all caps another, all 1 liners, some even two-three worders
GMarshal - contributing, good job
Jackal - already analyzed by GMarshal
LunarDestiny - Focuses heavily on Coag
OriginalName - Says he's watching, posts about various people but doesn't really stick with one or the other, says he will vote in 4 hours, hasn't voted yet. Who you voting for dawg?
Barundar - Is sick, I don't really got a read on him, not posting all that much though
Amber - Wrote two long posts, the first one of which people thought wasn't really contributing even though it was long though the second one is better...
deconduo - votes me cause i'm defensive, mostly one liners
Well, here is my challenge to you, Chaoser. Suicide (if you can) to the person you think is scum If you can't I am going to blow you. Either way, town will get information on the lynch with additional 24 hours.
Why not just let me get lynched instead of you blowing me up...
Well, here is my challenge to you, Chaoser. Suicide (if you can) to the person you think is scum If you can't I am going to blow you. Either way, town will get information on the lynch with additional 24 hours.
Why not just let me get lynched instead of you blowing me up...
BTW, what is everyone's thoughts on suicide for day 1? We barely have any info so I don't know if I'd help with blowing up or not. Though if it were up to me, No guts, no glory, I'd boom =D
On February 19 2011 06:30 chaoser wrote: BTW, what is everyone's thoughts on suicide for day 1? We barely have any info so I don't know if I'd help with blowing up or not. Though if it were up to me, No guts, no glory, I'd boom =D
If you can hit a mafia 100%, then yeah it's worth it maybe, otherwise we just shorten the amount of information we get if you accidentally blow up a townie.
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On February 19 2011 06:30 chaoser wrote: BTW, what is everyone's thoughts on suicide for day 1? We barely have any info so I don't know if I'd help with blowing up or not. Though if it were up to me, No guts, no glory, I'd boom =D
Townie, who is about to get lynched, can blow someone else he is certain off up, giving town 24 hrs of extra daytime to decide on another lynch/no lynch. If he isn't certain, he shouldn't blow anyone up.
I don't like the notion that town dismissed getting the lynch person to not blow someone and just take the lynch. This game has 11 players and 3 mafia.What mafia fear the most, being forced to suicide someone and they will try convincing town to not suicide because it will soon be MisLynch and lose.
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I also played a game similar to this and that was the only time that I am truly mafia (DLYM is reversed).
There, what we feared most is being forced to shoot as 3 of the 4 of us can't shoot. On day3, someone actually called me out. Lucky I was godfather there and can shoot. But if I was not the godfather there, there goes a mafia.
Meh why not just let chaoser stack up votes then Lunar? You would have been able to challenge him and offer to change your vote instead if he blew up someone.
In any case we now got 24 hours extra to decide on a lynch, which isn't all that bad. Question is if we go for a no-lynch or we find someone else. It's only day 1, and we haven't gotten anything solid, but on the other hand both LD and chaoser can be regarded as green for now.
Amber is suspecious but I don't want to vote him without a better analysis of his behavior. Will look through his old games tomorrow.
The 3 people I find has been the most quiet is GGQ, Coagulation and OrignalName.
On February 19 2011 06:57 chaoser wrote: Either way we both dead so I guess that's two green down if that's what you actually think and the actual reason you forced me to blow up -_-
So you think a mafia to go this far to get someone killed? I could have just bangwagon you on instead.
On February 19 2011 06:57 chaoser wrote: Either way we both dead so I guess that's two green down if that's what you actually think and the actual reason you forced me to blow up -_-
So you think a mafia to go this far to get someone killed? I could have just bangwagon you on instead.
Either way it was a bad blowup...If you had said that before hand I would have blown someone else up, I didn't even want to target you, could have just left you up to lynches.
On February 19 2011 06:57 chaoser wrote: Either way we both dead so I guess that's two green down if that's what you actually think and the actual reason you forced me to blow up -_-
So you think a mafia to go this far to get someone killed? I could have just bangwagon you on instead.
Either way it was a bad blowup...If you had said that before hand I would have blown someone else up, I didn't even want to target you, could have just left you up to lynches.
On February 19 2011 05:27 LunarDestiny wrote: Chaoser is deep shit now. Three people voted for him (two people mistyped).
Well, here is my challenge to you, Chaoser. Suicide (if you can) to the person you think is scum If you can't I am going to blow you. Either way, town will get information on the lynch with additional 24 hours.
I will blow you after 7:00 KST (1.5 hour from now).
On February 19 2011 06:57 chaoser wrote: Either way we both dead so I guess that's two green down if that's what you actually think and the actual reason you forced me to blow up -_-
So you think a mafia to go this far to get someone killed? I could have just bangwagon you on instead.
Either way it was a bad blowup...If you had said that before hand I would have blown someone else up, I didn't even want to target you, could have just left you up to lynches.
On February 19 2011 05:27 LunarDestiny wrote: Chaoser is deep shit now. Three people voted for him (two people mistyped).
Well, here is my challenge to you, Chaoser. Suicide (if you can) to the person you think is scum If you can't I am going to blow you. Either way, town will get information on the lynch with additional 24 hours.
I will blow you after 7:00 KST (1.5 hour from now).
On February 19 2011 06:57 chaoser wrote: Either way we both dead so I guess that's two green down if that's what you actually think and the actual reason you forced me to blow up -_-
So you think a mafia to go this far to get someone killed? I could have just bangwagon you on instead.
Again, I don't want you to be lynched without suiciding if you are town. Also, if you are mafia, you won't be able to suicide and that will confirm you as mafia.
##vote no lynch so after we said time and time again that you should not detonate unless you are 100% sure people go and blow themselves up... I thought we agreed that that was really bad for the town? At least it looks like neither of you are medics
On February 19 2011 07:17 GMarshal wrote: ##vote no lynch so after we said time and time again that you should not detonate unless you are 100% sure people go and blow themselves up... I thought we agreed that that was really bad for the town? At least it looks like neither of you are medics
Mafia don't want to force called out and force to suicide.
On February 19 2011 07:17 GMarshal wrote: ##vote no lynch so after we said time and time again that you should not detonate unless you are 100% sure people go and blow themselves up... I thought we agreed that that was really bad for the town? At least it looks like neither of you are medics
Mafia don't want to force called out and force to suicide.
Prefering Lynch over Suicide is what mafia wants.
I dislike your approach to this, the way I see it we should be playing this just like a regular mafia game with the caveat that if we know for sure someone is scum we can off them immediately, as in regular mafia games our goal is to stay alive as long as possible to gather information and hunt scum, blowing each other up goes against this goal. So congratulations, this gave us very little information and cost us two nights of active scum hunting as well as two kp which we could of saved for people we were more certain were scum.
Mafia isn't scared of being "forced" to suicide, because we have no way of forcing anyone to do anything, a good townie would have let himself die while trying to point out who scum is, once he died an was verified we would have a vote list to look at, now mafia has the upper hand, we need to be very active with our scum hunting, as we cannot afford any more stupid mistakes
On February 19 2011 07:17 GMarshal wrote: ##vote no lynch so after we said time and time again that you should not detonate unless you are 100% sure people go and blow themselves up... I thought we agreed that that was really bad for the town? At least it looks like neither of you are medics
Mafia don't want to force called out and force to suicide.
Prefering Lynch over Suicide is what mafia wants.
I dislike your approach to this, the way I see it we should be playing this just like a regular mafia game with the caveat that if we know for sure someone is scum we can off them immediately, as in regular mafia games our goal is to stay alive as long as possible to gather information and hunt scum, blowing each other up goes against this goal. So congratulations, this gave us very little information and cost us two nights of active scum hunting as well as two kp which we could of saved for people we were more certain were scum.
Mafia isn't scared of being "forced" to suicide, because we have no way of forcing anyone to do anything, a good townie would have let himself die while trying to point out who scum is, once he died an was verified we would have a vote list to look at, now mafia has the upper hand, we need to be very active with our scum hunting, as we cannot afford any more stupid mistakes
Look, I just force a player to suicide. If chaoser was mafia, he can't do it (DON'T SAY: Well, chaoser is town so your point is invalid).
Look at Ace's advice:
On February 17 2011 07:49 Ace wrote: medic should role claim. Everyone else claims fanatic. Start the game.
As lynch deadline approaches the person with the most votes prove their town by killing the second suspect. If both flip town you were on the wrong track anyway. Otherwise you go into Day 2 with better odds.
So Ace's advice is bad because he thinks Fanatic if being on verge of lynched should use his suicide ability?
Who's the second suspect though? we didn't have one so seriously...you didn't follow Ace's "plan". It wasn't even close to approaching the lynch deadline, there's like 5 more hours left
People, after I died. Look at Gmarshall's last post.
He basically say: -Play this like regular mafia game and don't suicide unless you are pretty damn sure. -Mafia isn't scared about being forced to suicide. -Town can't afford any more mistake. -Hinting not to use suicide ever again if not very certain.
yes, I do think it is bad advice, because frankly its most likely the the fanatic is going to hit another fanatic and put the town in a bad spot, rather than actually hitting mafia, I'm sure its good advice for someone who has ungodly scumhunting abilities but sucks at persuading town, or if we had two suspects one of which we know to be scum for sure, but that wasn't the case, it was a case of "I'm going to hang, pick random target, detonate"
On February 19 2011 07:36 LunarDestiny wrote: People, after I died. Look at Gmarshall's last post.
He basically say: -Play this like regular mafia game and don't suicide unless you are pretty damn sure. -Mafia isn't scared about being forced to suicide. -Town can't afford any more mistake. -Hinting not to use suicide ever again if not very certain.
this is exactly what I am saying. where's the problem with it?
No fucking point discussing it further, chaoser and LunarDestiny is dead, and while I agree with GMarshal, nothing seems able to convince LD otherwise.
LD and chaoser, if you want to help out atleast give us your thoughts on people.
well, unless you or chaoser are red then the setup just tilted more in the mafias favor, notice how I said it should only be used if we are almost certain? That means that much like a vigi shot we should save it for when we know we are going to get something out of it.
Ace's advice was that when town picked two top suspects, one should suicide the other removing both top suspects and almost certainly killing a mafia. That's not what happened here, which is why this wasn't a good situation. Forcing chaoser to explode was premature, and we probably just lost two fanatics.
If so, we have to look at our options. we lynch today and hit lylo tomorrow, or we no lynch today and hit mylo tomorrow. Either way, if we misbomb or mislynch tomorrow, we lose. We can no lynch two days in a row, which would give us the most discussion time, but then we get no kills and mafia get two kills. I suggest lynching today, which gives us the power to choose one of the two kills before we hit lylo. Also I'd like to point out that lylo isn't quite so scary in this game, since, if we are about to lynch a fanatic he can always explode and hopefully give us another chance.
Of course, if either chaoser or LunarDestiny is mafia, then we still have a mislynch before lylo.
Lurkers: This setup makes lurkers want to lurk more. They ARE afraid of being called out and ARE very afraid to be forced to shoot.
Those who promote Lynch over Suicide scummy.
Also, suicide is not like vig shot. Every vanilla townie can suicide, mafia can not. Use this point to hunt mafia and those who say suicide is bad are scummy.
What the heck happened. Why Lunar? if you are going to do that do it closer to the deadline at least, but threatening someone to go boom just makes you into a into a target. Do we know if they are both green or are we still waiting for the host to post?
On February 19 2011 07:49 LunarDestiny wrote: Lurkers: This setup makes lurkers want to lurk more. They ARE afraid of being called out and ARE very afraid to be forced to shoot.
Those who promote Lynch over Suicide scummy.
Also, suicide is not like vig shot. Every vanilla townie can suicide, mafia can not. Use this point to hunt mafia and those who say suicide is bad are scummy.
Or everyone contributes but mafia just would contribute in an unhelpful way. And by that logic shouldn't you have blown up a lurker and not me? Coag hasn't posted a single useful thing but can get by with a "that's just the way he is" while me playing my normal game makes it mean "he's mafia"? Retarded...
On February 19 2011 07:51 darmousseh wrote: What the heck happened. Why Lunar? if you are going to do that do it closer to the deadline at least, but threatening someone to go boom just makes you into a into a target. Do we know if they are both green or are we still waiting for the host to post?
we are waiting on the host, but they are almost certainly both green
On February 19 2011 07:49 LunarDestiny wrote: Lurkers: This setup makes lurkers want to lurk more. They ARE afraid of being called out and ARE very afraid to be forced to shoot.
Those who promote Lynch over Suicide scummy.
Also, suicide is not like vig shot. Every vanilla townie can suicide, mafia can not. Use this point to hunt mafia and those who say suicide is bad are scummy.
Or everyone contributes but mafia just would contribute in an unhelpful way. And by that logic shouldn't you have blown up a lurker and not me? Coag hasn't posted a single useful thing but can get by with a "that's just the way he is" while me playing my normal game makes it mean "he's mafia"? Retarded...
I was forcing you to blow up someone who you think is mafia. Not me. You blew me.
If I am mafia, why did I expose myself. I could have easily post something not in favor of you and vote you. There's 4 votes right there.
Actually some really nice posts being written now, seems like this actually woke up town. I agree with LD's criterium, and I agree with GGQ's plan suggestion... and I agree with GMarshals list.
On February 19 2011 07:49 LunarDestiny wrote: Lurkers: This setup makes lurkers want to lurk more. They ARE afraid of being called out and ARE very afraid to be forced to shoot.
Those who promote Lynch over Suicide scummy.
Also, suicide is not like vig shot. Every vanilla townie can suicide, mafia can not. Use this point to hunt mafia and those who say suicide is bad are scummy.
Statistcally speaking wouldn't the mafia want people to use their suicide ability since in a simple RNG, they would be more likely to hit a townie? You gotta think of the suicide ability as a tool to pressure people and as a last resort to kill mafia, otherwise we are just shortening the game. Maybe what you did was fine (if chaoser is red), but otherwise I think you did it way too early. One thing though is that you are right about using our suicide ability to pressure people to see if they are mafia, but you did it too soon and it's harder to get any information from it.
On February 19 2011 07:49 LunarDestiny wrote: Lurkers: This setup makes lurkers want to lurk more. They ARE afraid of being called out and ARE very afraid to be forced to shoot.
Those who promote Lynch over Suicide scummy.
Also, suicide is not like vig shot. Every vanilla townie can suicide, mafia can not. Use this point to hunt mafia and those who say suicide is bad are scummy.
Or everyone contributes but mafia just would contribute in an unhelpful way. And by that logic shouldn't you have blown up a lurker and not me? Coag hasn't posted a single useful thing but can get by with a "that's just the way he is" while me playing my normal game makes it mean "he's mafia"? Retarded...
I was forcing you to blow up someone who you think is mafia. Not me. You blew me.
If I am mafia, why did I expose myself. I could have easily post something not in favor of you and vote you. There's 4 votes right there.
Cause i wasn't SURE who was mafia. I didn't want to go about blowing people up that weren't mafia not to mention I barely had any time to think about the situation, I had like half an hour from reading your post to the deadline you posted. Also why the fuck would you do it this early, at least do it when we only have 2 hours left or something. We had 5 hours dude. It was 3 votes on me with 4 people yet to vote. That's not deep shit at all.
On February 19 2011 08:35 Coagulation wrote: Fantastic job folks.
Thanks for the awesome contribution, so who do you think is most likely to be scum coag, what is your opinion on using suicide bombings to get mafia targets? Should we not lynch today since we already lost two townies or should we go for the lynch hoping we have enough information to hit scum?
A couple of sacrificial bambs right there. That made no sense whatsoever.
If I am about to be lynched I will take somebody with me. But I won't boom until a minute before deadline. And I wont turn it into a two page pissing contest.
GGQ and Amber Light are high on my list. One is awol and the other posts volumes of nothing.
I highly recommend that we lynch today, or we will be on mylo tomorrow, which is just lylo with an extra person to consider. I realised that we can't even expect to no lynch tomorrow, since we can only opt for a no lynch by tying the vote, which would allow mafia to switch the vote at the last second tomorrow. If you aren't following me, that just means that we are definitely best off lynching today. We still have more than 24 hours to consider, so let's start working on our choice.
My suspicion is on Coagulation and OriginalName, who have spoken the least. Speak up.
On February 19 2011 09:32 GGQ wrote: I highly recommend that we lynch today, or we will be on mylo tomorrow, which is just lylo with an extra person to consider. I realised that we can't even expect to no lynch tomorrow, since we can only opt for a no lynch by tying the vote, which would allow mafia to switch the vote at the last second tomorrow. If you aren't following me, that just means that we are definitely best off lynching today. We still have more than 24 hours to consider, so let's start working on our choice.
My suspicion is on Coagulation and OriginalName, who have spoken the least. Speak up.
On February 19 2011 09:32 GGQ wrote: I highly recommend that we lynch today, or we will be on mylo tomorrow, which is just lylo with an extra person to consider. I realised that we can't even expect to no lynch tomorrow, since we can only opt for a no lynch by tying the vote, which would allow mafia to switch the vote at the last second tomorrow. If you aren't following me, that just means that we are definitely best off lynching today. We still have more than 24 hours to consider, so let's start working on our choice.
My suspicion is on Coagulation and OriginalName, who have spoken the least. Speak up.
Scum would.
Did you not read my post at all? What justification do you have for saying that? Logic, please.
On February 19 2011 09:32 GGQ wrote: I highly recommend that we lynch today, or we will be on mylo tomorrow, which is just lylo with an extra person to consider. I realised that we can't even expect to no lynch tomorrow, since we can only opt for a no lynch by tying the vote, which would allow mafia to switch the vote at the last second tomorrow. If you aren't following me, that just means that we are definitely best off lynching today. We still have more than 24 hours to consider, so let's start working on our choice.
My suspicion is on Coagulation and OriginalName, who have spoken the least. Speak up.
Scum would.
Did you not read my post at all? What justification do you have for saying that? Logic, please.
On February 19 2011 09:32 GGQ wrote: I highly recommend that we lynch today, or we will be on mylo tomorrow, which is just lylo with an extra person to consider. I realised that we can't even expect to no lynch tomorrow, since we can only opt for a no lynch by tying the vote, which would allow mafia to switch the vote at the last second tomorrow. If you aren't following me, that just means that we are definitely best off lynching today. We still have more than 24 hours to consider, so let's start working on our choice.
My suspicion is on Coagulation and OriginalName, who have spoken the least. Speak up.
Scum would.
Did you not read my post at all? What justification do you have for saying that? Logic, please.
On February 19 2011 09:36 Coagulation wrote: ON MY 4000th POST SOMEONE WILL DIE.
Are you saying that you are going to use your 4000th post to blow someone up, so you are restricting yourself to using only one post to help us before that? You've been perhaps the least pro-town player in this game, btw.
On February 19 2011 10:22 Jackal58 wrote: Everybody in the game has a basic grasp of arithmetic. Revisit your logic.
Alright, I'll go over it again, slower for you.
If we lynch today, it will be 4v3. If we don't, it will be 5v3. Either way, we will have to lynch tomorrow and we will have to get that lynch correct or we lose (we can't safely 'no lynch' tomorrow, even if it's 5v3, because of the way the lynch mechanics work in this game). That means that if we lynch tonight, it is a free extra kill in the hands of town. We are not in a mathematically worse position if we mislynch tonight because we will be looking at a game-ending lynch tomorrow whether we mislynch or 'no lynch'. If we 'no lynch' tonight, we are simply depriving town of an opportunity to try to lynch scum first. I can't see how taking a killing power away from town benefits us.
Not only does lynching make sense mathematically, it also provides town with an opportunity for discussion. If we no lynch tonight, then that's all that's going to happen. We get no more information until the mafia picks their kill tonight. By deciding on a lynch, we will get arguments, debates, and analysis, all of which will help us scumhunt. For both of these reasons, lynching tonight is far superior to not lynching.
In any event we need to use the lynch possibility to pressure people.
OriginalName earlier argued against a no lynch sollution, but now he seems to have changed his mind.
Coagulation has not shown any intent of helping the town. This is unlike his play in mafia xxxvi, where he actually contributed. He has so far only threatened to blow up people that questioned him.
On February 19 2011 10:22 Jackal58 wrote: Everybody in the game has a basic grasp of arithmetic. Revisit your logic.
Alright, I'll go over it again, slower for you.
If we lynch today, it will be 4v3. If we don't, it will be 5v3. Either way, we will have to lynch tomorrow and we will have to get that lynch correct or we lose (we can't safely 'no lynch' tomorrow, even if it's 5v3, because of the way the lynch mechanics work in this game). That means that if we lynch tonight, it is a free extra kill in the hands of town. We are not in a mathematically worse position if we mislynch tonight because we will be looking at a game-ending lynch tomorrow whether we mislynch or 'no lynch'. If we 'no lynch' tonight, we are simply depriving town of an opportunity to try to lynch scum first. I can't see how taking a killing power away from town benefits us.
Not only does lynching make sense mathematically, it also provides town with an opportunity for discussion. If we no lynch tonight, then that's all that's going to happen. We get no more information until the mafia picks their kill tonight. By deciding on a lynch, we will get arguments, debates, and analysis, all of which will help us scumhunt. For both of these reasons, lynching tonight is far superior to not lynching.
On February 19 2011 10:22 Jackal58 wrote: Everybody in the game has a basic grasp of arithmetic. Revisit your logic.
Alright, I'll go over it again, slower for you.
If we lynch today, it will be 4v3. If we don't, it will be 5v3. Either way, we will have to lynch tomorrow and we will have to get that lynch correct or we lose (we can't safely 'no lynch' tomorrow, even if it's 5v3, because of the way the lynch mechanics work in this game). That means that if we lynch tonight, it is a free extra kill in the hands of town. We are not in a mathematically worse position if we mislynch tonight because we will be looking at a game-ending lynch tomorrow whether we mislynch or 'no lynch'. If we 'no lynch' tonight, we are simply depriving town of an opportunity to try to lynch scum first. I can't see how taking a killing power away from town benefits us.
Not only does lynching make sense mathematically, it also provides town with an opportunity for discussion. If we no lynch tonight, then that's all that's going to happen. We get no more information until the mafia picks their kill tonight. By deciding on a lynch, we will get arguments, debates, and analysis, all of which will help us scumhunt. For both of these reasons, lynching tonight is far superior to not lynching.
Now, please, show me the problems in my logic.
You're doing scummy math.
Show me the non-scummy math then jackal! you insist on keeping your suspicion on people with actually supporting it at all, please show me your pro-town mathematical ability
On February 19 2011 11:14 GMarshal wrote: I'll go for the pressure vote as well ##Unvote ##Vote Original Name
now contribute something! what are your thoughts on the whole situation?
Hey I said I was going to be inactive for the next while so give me a break.
On our current situation-
Right now Town is at a clear disadvantage and the popular targets seem to be:
GGQ Amber[light] Coagulation
And for some people very possibly myself due to my weird schedule and just when I find time to post.
Coag is just odd in his playstyle right now he's probably my biggest fear for town so I really don't know what to think about him. Amber I believe is town and GGQ inreally need to look over more If something of his catches my eye I'll make another post soon
We need to solidfy a lynch target now or not at all.
On February 19 2011 11:14 GMarshal wrote: I'll go for the pressure vote as well ##Unvote ##Vote Original Name
now contribute something! what are your thoughts on the whole situation?
Hey I said I was going to be inactive for the next while so give me a break.
On our current situation-
Right now Town is at a clear disadvantage and the popular targets seem to be:
GGQ Amber[light] Coagulation
And for some people very possibly myself due to my weird schedule and just when I find time to post.
Coag is just odd in his playstyle right now he's probably my biggest fear for town so I really don't know what to think about him. Amber I believe is town and GGQ inreally need to look over more If something of his catches my eye I'll make another post soon
We need to solidfy a lynch target now or not at all.
Remember, they are coming.
Apologies, I missed that you said you were going to be inactive, although I don't consider it a very good excuse I can give you a pass on it, your post is pretty good so for now I'll give you a free pass
for now coag you haven't contributed at, so post more please
On February 19 2011 10:22 Jackal58 wrote: Everybody in the game has a basic grasp of arithmetic. Revisit your logic.
Alright, I'll go over it again, slower for you.
If we lynch today, it will be 4v3. If we don't, it will be 5v3. Either way, we will have to lynch tomorrow and we will have to get that lynch correct or we lose (we can't safely 'no lynch' tomorrow, even if it's 5v3, because of the way the lynch mechanics work in this game). That means that if we lynch tonight, it is a free extra kill in the hands of town. We are not in a mathematically worse position if we mislynch tonight because we will be looking at a game-ending lynch tomorrow whether we mislynch or 'no lynch'. If we 'no lynch' tonight, we are simply depriving town of an opportunity to try to lynch scum first. I can't see how taking a killing power away from town benefits us.
Not only does lynching make sense mathematically, it also provides town with an opportunity for discussion. If we no lynch tonight, then that's all that's going to happen. We get no more information until the mafia picks their kill tonight. By deciding on a lynch, we will get arguments, debates, and analysis, all of which will help us scumhunt. For both of these reasons, lynching tonight is far superior to not lynching.
Now, please, show me the problems in my logic.
You're doing scummy math.
Show me the non-scummy math then jackal! you insist on keeping your suspicion on people with actually supporting it at all, please show me your pro-town mathematical ability
If you don't see the bias in that post I can't help you. I'm simply searching for the third now.
Ok, jackal lets look at whats the current situation is ok? There are originally 11 players, 3 scum 7 town 1 medic 1. medic 2. town 3. town 4. town 5. town 6. town 7. town 8 town 9 scum 10 scum 11 scum
now chaoser and ld bomb each other so two town die leaving us with:
1. medic 2. town 3. town 4. town 5. town 6. town 9 scum 10 scum 11 scum
lets assume a mislynch, a terrible one, we hang the medic
2. town 3. town 4. town 5. town 6. town 9 scum 10 scum 11 scum that leaves 5 town 3 scum, scum have 1 kp so the next day we have
3. town 4. town 5. town 6. town 9 scum 10 scum 11 scum
hence lyol, best case scenario we lynch right and also bomb a mafia leaving us with 5. town 6. town 9 scum at the end of the night
Lets see what happens if we don't lynch today
1. medic 2. town 3. town 4. town 5. town 6. town 9 scum 10 scum 11 scum
then over night lets assume no medic save, in fact lets say mafia get lucky and kill the medic
2. town 3. town 4. town 5. town 6. town 9 scum 10 scum 11 scum
then if we mislynch and assuming no medic save/dead medic, we get a 3/3 tie which means mafia wins
hence it is in our best interest to lynch someone today
please point out where this math is scummy jackal, as of right now I'm tempted to FoS you, the only thing that is keeping me from voting against you is the fact I dont think this is your style when you are mafia, you are far less aggressive when you are
On February 19 2011 12:34 GMarshal wrote: Ok, jackal lets look at whats the current situation is ok? There are originally 11 players, 3 scum 7 town 1 medic 1. medic 2. town 3. town 4. town 5. town 6. town 7. town 8 town 9 scum 10 scum 11 scum
now chaoser and ld bomb each other so two town die leaving us with:
1. medic 2. town 3. town 4. town 5. town 6. town 9 scum 10 scum 11 scum
lets assume a mislynch, a terrible one, we hang the medic
2. town 3. town 4. town 5. town 6. town 9 scum 10 scum 11 scum that leaves 5 town 3 scum, scum have 1 kp so the next day we have
3. town 4. town 5. town 6. town 9 scum 10 scum 11 scum
hence lyol, best case scenario we lynch right and also bomb a mafia leaving us with 5. town 6. town 9 scum at the end of the night
Lets see what happens if we don't lynch today
1. medic 2. town 3. town 4. town 5. town 6. town 9 scum 10 scum 11 scum
then over night lets assume no medic save, in fact lets say mafia get lucky and kill the medic
2. town 3. town 4. town 5. town 6. town 9 scum 10 scum 11 scum
then if we mislynch and assuming no medic save/dead medic, we get a 3/3 tie which means mafia wins
hence it is in our best interest to lynch someone today
please point out where this math is scummy jackal, as of right now I'm tempted to FoS you, the only thing that is keeping me from voting against you is the fact I dont think this is your style when you are mafia, you are far less aggressive when you are
This looks correct to me. Now to identify the correct target. Probably at least 1 of the mafia is lurking and so I think going after a lurker is the best bet. I think that
Amber[light] Coagulation
Are the most lurky. Coag has yet to contribute at all and amber's posts were mostly fluff, but he's probably a bad townie. Coag has mostly been threatening everyone and I think it's time to put pressure on coag, if only to get him to analyze with us more. Saying something like "On my 4000th post someone is going to die" doesn't help us at all.
For now, i'm putting coag, if he gives good analysis or something other than "Die everyone" then I will probably switch. I have an idea of someone else who is playing scummy, but I'm waiting for them to post again to see if my suspicions are true.
On February 19 2011 12:34 GMarshal wrote: Ok, jackal lets look at whats the current situation is ok? There are originally 11 players, 3 scum 7 town 1 medic 1. medic 2. town 3. town 4. town 5. town 6. town 7. town 8 town 9 scum 10 scum 11 scum
now chaoser and ld bomb each other so two town die leaving us with:
1. medic 2. town 3. town 4. town 5. town 6. town 9 scum 10 scum 11 scum
lets assume a mislynch, a terrible one, we hang the medic
2. town 3. town 4. town 5. town 6. town 9 scum 10 scum 11 scum that leaves 5 town 3 scum, scum have 1 kp so the next day we have
3. town 4. town 5. town 6. town 9 scum 10 scum 11 scum
hence lyol, best case scenario we lynch right and also bomb a mafia leaving us with 5. town 6. town 9 scum at the end of the night
Lets see what happens if we don't lynch today
1. medic 2. town 3. town 4. town 5. town 6. town 9 scum 10 scum 11 scum
then over night lets assume no medic save, in fact lets say mafia get lucky and kill the medic
2. town 3. town 4. town 5. town 6. town 9 scum 10 scum 11 scum
then if we mislynch and assuming no medic save/dead medic, we get a 3/3 tie which means mafia wins
hence it is in our best interest to lynch someone today
please point out where this math is scummy jackal, as of right now I'm tempted to FoS you, the only thing that is keeping me from voting against you is the fact I dont think this is your style when you are mafia, you are far less aggressive when you are
No it isn't. How the hell do we go from 5-3 with mafia kp to 3-3 ?????? New math is stupid.
I can't believe this. We are self-destructing as a town and I've stated this as a problem from the very start. I'm lost as to why Chaoser and LD decided to take it upon themselves to bomb like this. When I initially read this my head spun because I thought we had a pretty good understanding that we weren't going to threaten other players with bombs.
I really don't think lynching anyone is a good idea, but maybe GGQ & GMarshall are right at this point. If we don't lynch we're losing the ability to take out a potential mafia. I also don't think our odds are that good, but I think GGQ went a little off-base with his "4v3" thing. Was that a mafia slip up? He seemed pretty confident that we're going to miss today if we lynch.
I'm a little flattered that Jackal is still going after me, but it's really becoming annoying. It's so obvious that there's better candidates and he's convinced himself that I'm creating this elaborate scheme. He has no basis for voting for me and refutes EVERYTHING I say without much consideration. It's saddening to see someone play with such obvious scumtells. I've been saying this from the beginning yet people are ignoring him as a threat to the town. Darmo is beginning to get into Jackal territory. If you have a problem with my plans please start posting why and we can begin discussing them or you're going to be just as much of a suspect as Jackal is to me.
Anyone know where Deconduo is at? He seemed to run off after this post.
On February 19 2011 07:05 deconduo wrote: ##Unvote ##Vote No lynch
Obviously this will change if one of them is red.
Why not just wait until LSB posted the flip and then decide what to post? It only happened about 1 1/2 hrs after Deconduo made that post. I placed him on my list of suspects for his inactivity and then removed him, but he's yet to come around and start talking. I mean look at his posting history. It's less than stellar and after a re-read I'm nervous that he's actually scum. He wasn't the biggest Chaoser fan as well and banked on the LD/Chaoser explosion, yet did nothing to stop it. He was against people blowing themselves up so why would he just sit back and let them explode like that?
I'm done being pushed around. If we have any chance of winning we need to get the scummiest players taken out. You have been harassing my plans and ideas and have done nothing to unify the town, justify any actions, or explain specifically your issues with any suggestions or list of suspects that I have. You either don't want to comment and mess up by tipping off the rest of the town who your scum-buddies are, or you're playing bad. I'm banking on the former.
While I too find Jackal frustrating, I would hold off on lynching him, if he really is town then I can practically guarantee he'll kamikaze tomorrow as he seems convinced you are mafia, instead vote to lynch Coagulation, he hasn't posted any contributions at all, or Original Name who claims he is too busy right now (which could be true, its also an excellent excuse to lurk)
On February 19 2011 14:45 GMarshal wrote: While I too find Jackal frustrating, I would hold off on lynching him, if he really is town then I can practically guarantee he'll kamikaze tomorrow as he seems convinced you are mafia, instead vote to lynch Coagulation, he hasn't posted any contributions at all, or Original Name who claims he is too busy right now (which could be true, its also an excellent excuse to lurk)
I agree with you completely, but this is something I can't ignore. THe last time I did this scum got away and I was killed. It's upsetting to think that someone is going to be able to get away with what seems to be the most obvious scum tells that I've ever seen, and I don't want this to go unnoticed.
On February 19 2011 14:45 GMarshal wrote: While I too find Jackal frustrating, I would hold off on lynching him, if he really is town then I can practically guarantee he'll kamikaze tomorrow as he seems convinced you are mafia, instead vote to lynch Coagulation, he hasn't posted any contributions at all, or Original Name who claims he is too busy right now (which could be true, its also an excellent excuse to lurk)
I agree with you completely, but this is something I can't ignore. THe last time I did this scum got away and I was killed. It's upsetting to think that someone is going to be able to get away with what seems to be the most obvious scum tells that I've ever seen, and I don't want this to go unnoticed.
Bullshit that you want to kill someone you don't think is scum. Where is your behavior analysis? Try and look through any game with Jackal as town.
On February 19 2011 14:32 Amber[LighT] wrote: He wasn't the biggest Chaoser fan as well and banked on the LD/Chaoser explosion, yet did nothing to stop it. He was against people blowing themselves up so why would he just sit back and let them explode like that?
At no point ANYWHERE did I say I was against people blowing themselves up. I haven't even hinted or suggested anything of the like. You get a vote for trying to put words in my mouth.
On February 19 2011 14:45 GMarshal wrote: While I too find Jackal frustrating, I would hold off on lynching him, if he really is town then I can practically guarantee he'll kamikaze tomorrow as he seems convinced you are mafia, instead vote to lynch Coagulation, he hasn't posted any contributions at all, or Original Name who claims he is too busy right now (which could be true, its also an excellent excuse to lurk)
I have no intentions of going boom unless I'm a minute away from being lynched.
On February 19 2011 14:32 Amber[LighT] wrote: He wasn't the biggest Chaoser fan as well and banked on the LD/Chaoser explosion, yet did nothing to stop it. He was against people blowing themselves up so why would he just sit back and let them explode like that?
At no point ANYWHERE did I say I was against people blowing themselves up. I haven't even hinted or suggested anything of the like. You get a vote for trying to put words in my mouth.
On February 18 2011 05:55 chaoser wrote: damn straight it's defensive, i haven't done anything scummy and I got a means to prove it the way I want, want me to? If you got a real case against me come back when you have more than two lines of posts when some don't even have one and it's not only a few hours into Day 1
Using the suicide mechanic as a way to prove you are town is the dumbest thing you can do. Instead how about making an actual effort. I pointed out that ONE LINE of yours is scummy and this is your response.
On February 18 2011 06:19 Jackal58 wrote: Actually Chaoser's suggestion of a non-lynch if somebody goes boom on day 1 is the only suggestion that makes any sense so far.
Yes and no. If someone bombs a town today then:
Lynch today -> Tomorrow is lylo No lynch today -> Tomorrow is mylo -> No lynch -> Day 3 is lylo
We essentially sacrifice a lynch day one for more information. Whether or not this is a good idea I don't know. Its also somewhat irrelevant unless someone does bomb.
On February 18 2011 23:23 deconduo wrote: I'm suspicious of everyone who has made posts threatening/suggesting that they will blow up. It feels like a mafia thing to do to put on a fake bravado. Legit fanatics have no reason to bring attention to their powers.
This is what I meant Deconduo. Perhaps you can explain how you were inferring that blowing up was something you actually wanted players to do? Because your posts seem to hint otherwise...
Then this came after the fact:
On February 19 2011 06:42 deconduo wrote: In 15min I'm expecting an explosion from either Lunar or Chaoser.
Also don't forget before you voted no lynch you removed yourself from Chaoser:
On February 19 2011 02:06 deconduo wrote: In a rush, might not get to vote in time.
Vote: Chaoser
Hopefully I'll get back in time to place a more thought out vote, but for now I'm going with instinct. Sorry chaoser.
Why did you switch before the flip, and to a no vote? It could have been a fake kill?
On February 19 2011 22:49 deconduo wrote: ##Unvote ##Vote:Amber[Light]
On February 19 2011 14:32 Amber[LighT] wrote: He wasn't the biggest Chaoser fan as well and banked on the LD/Chaoser explosion, yet did nothing to stop it. He was against people blowing themselves up so why would he just sit back and let them explode like that?
At no point ANYWHERE did I say I was against people blowing themselves up. I haven't even hinted or suggested anything of the like. You get a vote for trying to put words in my mouth.
On February 18 2011 05:55 chaoser wrote: damn straight it's defensive, i haven't done anything scummy and I got a means to prove it the way I want, want me to? If you got a real case against me come back when you have more than two lines of posts when some don't even have one and it's not only a few hours into Day 1
Using the suicide mechanic as a way to prove you are town is the dumbest thing you can do. Instead how about making an actual effort. I pointed out that ONE LINE of yours is scummy and this is your response.
He had no votes on him, blowing up right there to prove he was town after a single FOS would be the dumbest thing he could do. How does this imply that blowing up in general is bad?
On February 18 2011 06:19 Jackal58 wrote: Actually Chaoser's suggestion of a non-lynch if somebody goes boom on day 1 is the only suggestion that makes any sense so far.
Yes and no. If someone bombs a town today then:
Lynch today -> Tomorrow is lylo No lynch today -> Tomorrow is mylo -> No lynch -> Day 3 is lylo
We essentially sacrifice a lynch day one for more information. Whether or not this is a good idea I don't know. Its also somewhat irrelevant unless someone does bomb.
And? I voiced no opinion on actually blowing up, just stated the possibilities if it did happen
On February 18 2011 23:23 deconduo wrote: I'm suspicious of everyone who has made posts threatening/suggesting that they will blow up. It feels like a mafia thing to do to put on a fake bravado. Legit fanatics have no reason to bring attention to their powers.
Once again, talking about people going 'ahaha I've got a bomb and I wanna use it.' Not giving any opinion on the act of blowing up once again.
This is what I meant Deconduo. Perhaps you can explain how you were inferring that blowing up was something you actually wanted players to do? Because your posts seem to hint otherwise...
On February 19 2011 02:06 deconduo wrote: In a rush, might not get to vote in time.
Vote: Chaoser
Hopefully I'll get back in time to place a more thought out vote, but for now I'm going with instinct. Sorry chaoser.
Why did you switch before the flip, and to a no vote? It could have been a fake kill?
If you thought that it could possibly be a fake kill you are dumber than I thought. They would BOTH have to be mafia/medic... No, instead you are once again trying to manipulate what I said to cast suspicion on me.
On February 19 2011 22:49 deconduo wrote: ##Unvote ##Vote:Amber[Light]
On February 19 2011 14:32 Amber[LighT] wrote: He wasn't the biggest Chaoser fan as well and banked on the LD/Chaoser explosion, yet did nothing to stop it. He was against people blowing themselves up so why would he just sit back and let them explode like that?
At no point ANYWHERE did I say I was against people blowing themselves up. I haven't even hinted or suggested anything of the like. You get a vote for trying to put words in my mouth.
On February 18 2011 05:59 deconduo wrote:
On February 18 2011 05:55 chaoser wrote: damn straight it's defensive, i haven't done anything scummy and I got a means to prove it the way I want, want me to? If you got a real case against me come back when you have more than two lines of posts when some don't even have one and it's not only a few hours into Day 1
Using the suicide mechanic as a way to prove you are town is the dumbest thing you can do. Instead how about making an actual effort. I pointed out that ONE LINE of yours is scummy and this is your response.
He had no votes on him, blowing up right there to prove he was town after a single FOS would be the dumbest thing he could do. How does this imply that blowing up in general is bad?
On February 18 2011 06:25 deconduo wrote:
On February 18 2011 06:19 Jackal58 wrote: Actually Chaoser's suggestion of a non-lynch if somebody goes boom on day 1 is the only suggestion that makes any sense so far.
Yes and no. If someone bombs a town today then:
Lynch today -> Tomorrow is lylo No lynch today -> Tomorrow is mylo -> No lynch -> Day 3 is lylo
We essentially sacrifice a lynch day one for more information. Whether or not this is a good idea I don't know. Its also somewhat irrelevant unless someone does bomb.
And? I voiced no opinion on actually blowing up, just stated the possibilities if it did happen
On February 18 2011 23:23 deconduo wrote: I'm suspicious of everyone who has made posts threatening/suggesting that they will blow up. It feels like a mafia thing to do to put on a fake bravado. Legit fanatics have no reason to bring attention to their powers.
Once again, talking about people going 'ahaha I've got a bomb and I wanna use it.' Not giving any opinion on the act of blowing up once again.
This is what I meant Deconduo. Perhaps you can explain how you were inferring that blowing up was something you actually wanted players to do? Because your posts seem to hint otherwise...
Then this came after the fact:
On February 19 2011 06:42 deconduo wrote: In 15min I'm expecting an explosion from either Lunar or Chaoser.
Also don't forget before you voted no lynch you removed yourself from Chaoser:
On February 19 2011 02:06 deconduo wrote: In a rush, might not get to vote in time.
Vote: Chaoser
Hopefully I'll get back in time to place a more thought out vote, but for now I'm going with instinct. Sorry chaoser.
Why did you switch before the flip, and to a no vote? It could have been a fake kill?
If you thought that it could possibly be a fake kill you are dumber than I thought. They would BOTH have to be mafia/medic... No, instead you are once again trying to manipulate what I said to cast suspicion on me.
This is all I wanted Deconduo. I appreciate you at least taking the time out to hammer out my suspicion. I'll gladly drop it.
@ Barundar if it's going to be the difference between a no-lynch and lynching Coagulation I will make sure it gets done. Don't we already have a majority at this point, or we're nearing it?
It seems like the town would much rather lynch someone than not to have suspects go unchecked, and of course I recognize that Coagulation is playing on the shady side. Like Jackal, he has been bleeding with scum tells from the very start.
@ Barundar if it's going to be the difference between a no-lynch and lynching Coagulation I will make sure it gets done. Don't we already have a majority at this point, or we're nearing it?
I'm fine with lynching either you or coagulation. Reason I pick coag over you is beceause you atleast post something. If you want to help me bus who I think is your teammate, thats ok
but I think GGQ went a little off-base with his "4v3" thing. Was that a mafia slip up? He seemed pretty confident that we're going to miss today if we lynch.
I want to address this quotation from Amber[Light]'s big post up there. If you read my post, the point was to logically show that lynching today is at least as good, if not better then not lynching. Thus I had to show the worst case scenario for a lynch, which is a mislynch. However, I actually think that we have some good suspects to work with and we're having good discussion too, I'm happy to see.
Coagulation, you are under pressure right now. Anything to say?
@Amber if you look at how jackal is playing he is playing exactly the way he usually does when he is town, including the hyperaggressive posts, please stop insisting on hanging him, we cannot afford any mislynches.
Coag, we are waiting to hear from you, you seem to be under quite a bit of pressure, so it would be in your best interest to come out and say something
actually I'm willing to take coag up on that offer, as long as we have his word that he will detonate tomorrow morning against a mafia target (coag has really good scumhunting skills IMO), also if he were scum I dont think he would offer to do so, instead he would probably claim medic.
but I think GGQ went a little off-base with his "4v3" thing. Was that a mafia slip up? He seemed pretty confident that we're going to miss today if we lynch.
I want to address this quotation from Amber[Light]'s big post up there. If you read my post, the point was to logically show that lynching today is at least as good, if not better then not lynching. Thus I had to show the worst case scenario for a lynch, which is a mislynch. However, I actually think that we have some good suspects to work with and we're having good discussion too, I'm happy to see.
Coagulation, you are under pressure right now. Anything to say?
bolded part = complete bullshit. we have zero tangible suspects at all only mafia would want to run around town stroking everyone saying "YAY GJ" when town is literally running around in circles banging head on wall etc getting nothing done.
To be perfectly honest, my gut says Amber[Light] is scum, and his willingness to lynch jackal, who is almost certainly an overaggressive townie, at this point in the game when we have established that we cannot afford a mislynch makes me really suspicious of him ##Unvote ##Vote Amber[Light]
On February 20 2011 07:50 GMarshal wrote: To be perfectly honest, my gut says Amber[Light] is scum, and his willingness to lynch jackal, who is almost certainly an overaggressive townie, at this point in the game when we have established that we cannot afford a mislynch makes me really suspicious of him ##Unvote ##Vote Amber[Light]
I haven't been aggressive. Focused maybe. But not aggressive.
That makes it four votes on Amber[Light] to three on Coagulation, for anyone that's not keeping track. I was only on Coagulation as an inactive/unhelpful player. Since he's started posting, I agree that he doesn't really seem like scum. I'm happy to move my vote.
coag you are finally posting and you didn't just go "DIE everyone" makes me think you are serious and are probably town this game. Amber was my second suspect and just has been making huge posts of nothing but fluff.
After a successful fanatic bombing the no.1 lynch suspect manages to sneak out from the noose by voting for the 2nd suspect.
I "tunneled" and then apologized and that's somehow being used against me. Strange that one event has created a bandwagon like this. I understand that were not doing so hot after a failed suicide but were making it worse by allowing coagulation to literally flip the vote. I've been avoiding discussing coag because his play is scum. You're allowing the one liner jackal complement his claims because its convenient for jackal to.do so. We hacent seen eye to eye this whole game. Is it a surprise he's gunning for me ?
Now you want the town savior coag to live another day just to blow up ? He's been talking about that all game ! What has you (gmarshal and ggq) so convinced that its not an act. Within hours he's nearly dodging a vote to live another day, and for what? To "blow up"? It's the same people siding with him that didn't want to hear about exploding and yet in the last 24 hours we've abandoned everything we discussed during the first day. We haven't learned a thing as a town if we let people get away with these explosion claims.
Even if coag is going to explode, let's assume what happens. I'll die bc of a mislynch and someone will die tonight . Then coag blows up. Worst case scenario is he takes out another fanatic. That's 4 pro town players gone before a lynch. That makes it 5 left.2 townies and 3 mafia. It's an auto lose. Keep me around and we gain a lynch and another day ( possibly 2 if we cam get really lucky) to hammer out some scum. Keep coag around and were going to lose.
ok, at this point I still think Amber[Light] is most likely scum, but I see GGQ's vote as an attempt at bussing, I don't understand your reasoning at all Coag so you better explain it during the night phase, still though, I'm willing to go with it on the suspicion that you have a logical reason for doing this.
Actually no one tired to defend Amber which is pretty indicative of a townie being bandwagoned, i think I get your reasoning Coag, although I still suspect Amber[Light] of being scum
Also what about darmo? He's more suspicious than ggq. I think we should go for him. Imo ggq seems like he's the medic. He's playing the part pretty well.
ummmmm why ggq Considering if you KNOW your town when we are gonna lynch YOU wouldnt the odds be more in favor of mafia getting lynched better if its some other than yourself when you know your town. What more reason do you need.
Because while you were sitting back I was gathering my thoughts on the other players. I don't want yo lose our last defense unless you have a good reason for lyncholing him at the last minute. I'll sacrifice myself so he can potentially help the town if it comes down to it. I need my suspicion about him to be denied.
On February 20 2011 10:21 GMarshal wrote: ok, at this point I still think Amber[Light] is most likely scum, but I see GGQ's vote as an attempt at bussing, I don't understand your reasoning at all Coag so you better explain it during the night phase, still though, I'm willing to go with it on the suspicion that you have a logical reason for doing this.
Actually no one tired to defend Amber which is pretty indicative of a townie being bandwagoned, i think I get your reasoning Coag, although I still suspect Amber[Light] of being scum
##Unvote ##Vote GGQ
So much this. Something stinks in Denmark. ##Unvote: Amber[L]ight ##Vote: GGQ
OK, this is looking a lot like townies switching back and forth between each other, in other words awful. I'm not mafia, and I don't know why you people think i am. Jackal58 has had some stick up his ass about me for terrible reasons that make no sense, so I'm ignoring him. GMarshal, I agree with you that the lack of defense on Amber[Light] does make it seem like he's not mafia, but you shouldn't just be sheeping Coagulation onto me.
Coagulation's only scum read that he's given on me is that one post that he quoted, and it isn't even scummy. I typed it in a hurry (as evidenced by the fact that I forgot to vote in that post) and wasn't paying enough attention to how I phrased things, but look at my posts and tell me I've been scummy. This is a terrible last-minute switch.
On February 20 2011 10:23 GMarshal wrote: also, GGQ has been waaaay too conciliatory this game, IIRC GGQ's style is much more aggressive/less "flowers and happiness"
Dont use your suicide until you have to. Everyone should play day 2 as normal until a lynch target is picked. If that person is a fanatic, they suicide.
Coag its obvious that we don't have any information and we can't risk losing a player. Let's see if our medic can work some magic and blow up someone and lynch tomorrow if we need to. Best case scenerio we are back where we started.
I'm going to ensure that there is a tie by doing this. Don't take the vote personally .
I'm not sure why I even swtched and belived coag. Seriously, he is controlling the flow of this game. Also we need to lynch someone. It's tied right now. I'm not sure of either amber or ggq, but I am certain coag is running this game right now. I still think amber's posts are just fluff, why the sudden switch. I would stay on amber, but that is a tie and the worst possible thing to happen.
Coag its obvious that we don't have any information and we can't risk losing a player. Let's see if our medic can work some magic and blow up someone and lynch tomorrow if we need to. Best case scenerio we are back where we started.
I'm going to ensure that there is a tie by doing this. Don't take the vote personally .
##unvote ##vote: coagulation
And thats a scummy move, as we already determined that a no lynch is as bad as a myslynch for the town today.
On February 20 2011 11:03 GGQ wrote: My vote was late, Coag, I'm lynched.
answer my question if your town
IM GOING TO SUICIDE
IF your town who should it be.
This is important.
If mafia disregard
I already said on the last page, dont suicide unless town decides to lynch you, it doesnt make sense. It's optimal for town to go for a lynch, then if that person isn't mafia he should blow himself up on the next best target.
As for who I recommend as lynch targets, I'd say you should look at the people who didn't participate in this little catastrophe, Barundar, ON, and deconduo. Also darmousseh is a little suspicious to me.
On February 20 2011 11:05 GMarshal wrote: I'm not sure of the last member, but Amber[Light] is getting bombed come day
I.don't get how this makes me.scum. the best thing I could do was create a tie so we can work again tomorrow. We have no.Intel that any of us are scum and of.course you're pointing the finger once again.
On February 20 2011 11:05 GMarshal wrote: I'm not sure of the last member, but Amber[Light] is getting bombed come day
I.don't get how this makes me.scum. the best thing I could do was create a tie so we can work again tomorrow. We have no.Intel that any of us are scum and of.course you're pointing the finger once again.
Well that was assuming coag was going to hang, since GGQ is dying if he flips green then I'll be almost certain that the scum is hiding among the lurkers
On February 20 2011 11:03 GGQ wrote: My vote was late, Coag, I'm lynched.
answer my question if your town
IM GOING TO SUICIDE
IF your town who should it be.
This is important.
If mafia disregard
I already said on the last page, dont suicide unless town decides to lynch you, it doesnt make sense. It's optimal for town to go for a lynch, then if that person isn't mafia he should blow himself up on the next best target.
As for who I recommend as lynch targets, I'd say you should look at the people who didn't participate in this little catastrophe, Barundar, ON, and deconduo. Also darmousseh is a little suspicious to me.
Also GMarshal because usually he has more sense than this.
Freaking A, I voted coag because there was about to be a tie in order to break the tie, and we still ended up with a tie. Lynch amber tomorrow for sure.
On February 20 2011 11:13 Amber[LighT] wrote: Gmarshal jumping the gun and blaming me for what I wanted to happen anyway. thanks!
Sorry, I don't approve of the tie, but I guess its better than a confirmed townie dying, to be honest at this point I think we (the active players) are mostly not scum and we should go after the lurkers. I understand if people FoS me at this point though, I have been playing very aggressive this game
On February 20 2011 11:18 LSB wrote: A little announcement, even if I did not write the day post, any bombs submitted at 11:01 KST tomorrow will count.
On February 20 2011 11:16 darmousseh wrote: Freaking A, I voted coag because there was about to be a tie in order to break the tie, and we still ended up with a tie. Lynch amber tomorrow for sure.
baruder and ON, where were you guys?
Lower atmosphere surrounded by screaming twin infants. With no in flight entertainment. And my headphones broke.
On February 20 2011 11:16 darmousseh wrote: Freaking A, I voted coag because there was about to be a tie in order to break the tie, and we still ended up with a tie. Lynch amber tomorrow for sure.
baruder and ON, where were you guys?
Lower atmosphere surrounded by screaming twin infants. With no in flight entertainment. And my headphones broke.
On February 20 2011 11:16 darmousseh wrote: Freaking A, I voted coag because there was about to be a tie in order to break the tie, and we still ended up with a tie. Lynch amber tomorrow for sure.
baruder and ON, where were you guys?
Lower atmosphere surrounded by screaming twin infants. With no in flight entertainment. And my headphones broke.
Just in case you idiots don't realise: When the vote subjects are BOTH mafia, the "this lynch is too easy" argument doesn't work for last minute switching.
But atleast the whole scum team is revealed now, should be a pretty easy win.
Coagulation: Played the lurking mafia, threatening to blow up anyone who mentions him, and refused to contribute at all. Makes 1 post saying he isn't mafia, which some of you somehow believe. Propose to know a certain mafia he can blow up, but only produces a list. Is the first to switch votes away from his teammate Amber[light] after he makes 1 post saying he isn't guilty.
Amber[light] Has tried to play the contributing mafia, writing walls of text with generic advice. When it's down to him or Coag dieing today he suggest to help bandwagon coag, I have played scumteam with coag and he is not afraid to let his team bus him. Frantic last minute vote switching resulting in a tie.
GMarshal Has been hiding well, I was unsure if it was him, GGQ or OriginalName that was the remaining scum. He outted himself to save his team today:
Coag makes 1 post saying he isn't red, and GMarshal changes vote with:
On February 20 2011 07:34 GMarshal wrote: actually I'm willing to take coag up on that offer, as long as we have his word that he will detonate tomorrow morning against a mafia target (coag has really good scumhunting skills IMO), also if he were scum I dont think he would offer to do so, instead he would probably claim medic.
so instead of that ##Unvote ##Vote OriginalName
He gives no reason for switching to OriginalName, his post is just about Coag. Personally I questioned Coags post, but GMarshal just buys it, and places a more or less random vote without explanation.
Straight after he changes vote again with the following reason:
On February 20 2011 07:50 GMarshal wrote: To be perfectly honest, my gut says Amber[Light] is scum, and his willingness to lynch jackal, who is almost certainly an overaggressive townie, at this point in the game when we have established that we cannot afford a mislynch makes me really suspicious of him ##Unvote ##Vote Amber[Light]
Decent reason. Coag changes to amber at the same time. Time to sacrifice a team member.
Little later, Amber makes 1 post saying he is innocent. After Coag, GMarshal changes vote with:
On February 20 2011 10:21 GMarshal wrote: ok, at this point I still think Amber[Light] is most likely scum, but I see GGQ's vote as an attempt at bussing, I don't understand your reasoning at all Coag so you better explain it during the night phase, still though, I'm willing to go with it on the suspicion that you have a logical reason for doing this.
Actually no one tired to defend Amber which is pretty indicative of a townie being bandwagoned, i think I get your reasoning Coag, although I still suspect Amber[Light] of being scum
##Unvote ##Vote GGQ
WHAT A SHITTY REASON. 1) GGQ was just a number of people switching to amber, 2) If anyone is bandwagoning it's GMarshal himself.
This is the last minute vote switching mafia does when they can't find it in them to properly bus their team mate. I myself am bad at letting my team mates die. But this is typical behavior for a pretty new mafia player.
GMarshal has managed to lay low really well so far, but eratic vote switching like this when his teammates was on the chopping block gives him away.
On February 20 2011 15:29 Barundar wrote: Scumteam:
Coagulation: Played the lurking mafia, threatening to blow up anyone who mentions him, and refused to contribute at all. Makes 1 post saying he isn't mafia, which some of you somehow believe. Propose to know a certain mafia he can blow up, but only produces a list. Is the first to switch votes away from his teammate Amber[light] after he makes 1 post saying he isn't guilty.
Amber[light] Has tried to play the contributing mafia, writing walls of text with generic advice. When it's down to him or Coag dieing today he suggest to help bandwagon coag, I have played scumteam with coag and he is not afraid to let his team bus him. Frantic last minute vote switching resulting in a tie.
GMarshal Has been hiding well, I was unsure if it was him, GGQ or OriginalName that was the remaining scum. He outted himself to save his team today:
Coag makes 1 post saying he isn't red, and GMarshal changes vote with:
On February 20 2011 07:34 GMarshal wrote: actually I'm willing to take coag up on that offer, as long as we have his word that he will detonate tomorrow morning against a mafia target (coag has really good scumhunting skills IMO), also if he were scum I dont think he would offer to do so, instead he would probably claim medic.
so instead of that ##Unvote ##Vote OriginalName
He gives no reason for switching to OriginalName, his post is just about Coag. Personally I questioned Coags post, but GMarshal just buys it, and places a more or less random vote without explanation.
Straight after he changes vote again with the following reason:
On February 20 2011 07:50 GMarshal wrote: To be perfectly honest, my gut says Amber[Light] is scum, and his willingness to lynch jackal, who is almost certainly an overaggressive townie, at this point in the game when we have established that we cannot afford a mislynch makes me really suspicious of him ##Unvote ##Vote Amber[Light]
Decent reason. Coag changes to amber at the same time. Time to sacrifice a team member.
Little later, Amber makes 1 post saying he is innocent. After Coag, GMarshal changes vote with:
On February 20 2011 10:21 GMarshal wrote: ok, at this point I still think Amber[Light] is most likely scum, but I see GGQ's vote as an attempt at bussing, I don't understand your reasoning at all Coag so you better explain it during the night phase, still though, I'm willing to go with it on the suspicion that you have a logical reason for doing this.
Actually no one tired to defend Amber which is pretty indicative of a townie being bandwagoned, i think I get your reasoning Coag, although I still suspect Amber[Light] of being scum
##Unvote ##Vote GGQ
WHAT A SHITTY REASON. 1) GGQ was just a number of people switching to amber, 2) If anyone is bandwagoning it's GMarshal himself.
This is the last minute vote switching mafia does when they can't find it in them to properly bus their team mate. I myself am bad at letting my team mates die. But this is typical behavior for a pretty new mafia player.
GMarshal has managed to lay low really well so far, but eratic vote switching like this when his teammates was on the chopping block gives him away.
Tomorrow at 11:00 KST i'll prove you wrong about that if you are that convinced, however allow me to point out that erratic vote switching is my modus operandi always, weather scum or town, usually the sign of a scum player is firm votes but wishy-washy arguments.
On February 20 2011 15:29 Barundar wrote: Scumteam:
Coagulation: Played the lurking mafia, threatening to blow up anyone who mentions him, and refused to contribute at all. Makes 1 post saying he isn't mafia, which some of you somehow believe. Propose to know a certain mafia he can blow up, but only produces a list. Is the first to switch votes away from his teammate Amber[light] after he makes 1 post saying he isn't guilty.
Amber[light] Has tried to play the contributing mafia, writing walls of text with generic advice. When it's down to him or Coag dieing today he suggest to help bandwagon coag, I have played scumteam with coag and he is not afraid to let his team bus him. Frantic last minute vote switching resulting in a tie.
GMarshal Has been hiding well, I was unsure if it was him, GGQ or OriginalName that was the remaining scum. He outted himself to save his team today:
Coag makes 1 post saying he isn't red, and GMarshal changes vote with:
On February 20 2011 07:34 GMarshal wrote: actually I'm willing to take coag up on that offer, as long as we have his word that he will detonate tomorrow morning against a mafia target (coag has really good scumhunting skills IMO), also if he were scum I dont think he would offer to do so, instead he would probably claim medic.
so instead of that ##Unvote ##Vote OriginalName
He gives no reason for switching to OriginalName, his post is just about Coag. Personally I questioned Coags post, but GMarshal just buys it, and places a more or less random vote without explanation.
Straight after he changes vote again with the following reason:
On February 20 2011 07:50 GMarshal wrote: To be perfectly honest, my gut says Amber[Light] is scum, and his willingness to lynch jackal, who is almost certainly an overaggressive townie, at this point in the game when we have established that we cannot afford a mislynch makes me really suspicious of him ##Unvote ##Vote Amber[Light]
Decent reason. Coag changes to amber at the same time. Time to sacrifice a team member.
Little later, Amber makes 1 post saying he is innocent. After Coag, GMarshal changes vote with:
On February 20 2011 10:21 GMarshal wrote: ok, at this point I still think Amber[Light] is most likely scum, but I see GGQ's vote as an attempt at bussing, I don't understand your reasoning at all Coag so you better explain it during the night phase, still though, I'm willing to go with it on the suspicion that you have a logical reason for doing this.
Actually no one tired to defend Amber which is pretty indicative of a townie being bandwagoned, i think I get your reasoning Coag, although I still suspect Amber[Light] of being scum
##Unvote ##Vote GGQ
WHAT A SHITTY REASON. 1) GGQ was just a number of people switching to amber, 2) If anyone is bandwagoning it's GMarshal himself.
This is the last minute vote switching mafia does when they can't find it in them to properly bus their team mate. I myself am bad at letting my team mates die. But this is typical behavior for a pretty new mafia player.
GMarshal has managed to lay low really well so far, but eratic vote switching like this when his teammates was on the chopping block gives him away.
Tomorrow at 11:00 KST i'll prove you wrong about that if you are that convinced, however allow me to point out that erratic vote switching is my modus operandi always, weather scum or town, usually the sign of a scum player is firm votes but wishy-washy arguments.
Let me make this very clear to you. Im not mafia. after the game is over and everyone sees im town im going to make it my personal duty in life to fucking remind you about how dead fucking wrong your analysis is every day for the rest of your life. YOU CAN HOLD ME TO THAT.
If i dont get killed tonight IM 100% Going to Explode on you tomorrow.
AGAIN Just wanted to point out how Dead wrong Barundar is. And if i get lynched cause of his terrible logic. im going to post this a million times in POST GAME DISCUSSION.
your just gonna have to take my word for it at this point. I have no problem detonating to prove it. Right now i need people to focus on scum hunting so i can get scum when i detonate tomorrow.
as far as GMarshal Amber[light] i have no idea if they are town or mafia. and i would have no problem lynching or detonating on either one of them based on what happend with the vote i think amber[light] and GGQ are both scum. thats why the vote was split. if they hadnt BOTH BEEN MAFIA wouldnt Mafia have lynched one of them at last second?
Well looking over it again it does seem like the most suspecious votes was done by Darmousseh and Amber[light] at .59 . Both of them stacking on you coag. I might have been wrong.
That would leave Darmousseh and Amber and possibly ON or GGQ as the scumteam?
But keep the fucking game in the thread. If you harass me outside I'm done playing with you.
Darmousseh and Amber[light] does a .59 minute switch to coagulation.
final tally Amber[light] (2): deconduo, GGQ GGQ (3): Coagulation, GMarshal, Jackal58 Coagulation (3): Barundar, Amber[light], Darmousseh No lynch (1): OriginalName
GGQ thinks he is lynched and tries to vote Coag to save himself. Amber tries unvoting coag, either to save GGQ or to save Coagulation.
I see 3 possible scenarios: 1) Fist possibility I listed above, with Amber trying to undo his vote to save coag, leaving Coag, Gmarshal and Amber[light] as scumteam. Looking over it I must admit it looks unlikely that coag and Gmarshal should be on team with Amber[light]
2a) Other possibility is Amber[light] last minute saving GGQ with Darmousseh. Really the votes was tied so Amber didn’t have to switch to save GGQ, unless he knew Darmousseh was switching as well. Darmousseh voted after Amber[light], so one explanation could be Amber[light] and Darmousseh switching at the same time to even up votes. This is however very unlikely, considering Amber afterwards was under the impression GGQ was going to die.
2b) Last option still assumes Amber switches to save GGQ, not Coagulation. It is very possible that Amber[light] didn’t know Darmousseh was going to switch. Darmousseh made a post 2 min before his vote, so it looks like he just came back to check the thread, and decided a lynch was better than no lynch. This means Amber tried to remove his vote to save GGQ alone, without any agreements with Darmousseh. This seems the most likely, considering both GGQ and Amber[light] was under the impression that GGQ was going to die.
I guess the most obvious conclusion is option 2b). 1) seems unlikely when both GMarshal and Coagulation would volunteer to blow up Amber[light]. 2a) is unlikely considering how both Amber and GGQ thinks that GGQ is going to get lynched with Darmousseh's switch. Option 2b) makes perfect sense if Amber and GGQ is on a scumteam together, and their remaining member was inactive at the time.
My guess on a scum team would then be Amber[light], GGQ and OriginalName.
Ok, so there was about to be a tie so I voted coag since that would mean GGQ got lynched (since no one else was voting amber).. I probably should have just voted GGQ but I didn't really have any time to think, and I wasn't convinced he is mafia. Amber is really fluffy and has been the whole game. I don't know why coag you suddenly had everyone jump ship.
I think coag is most likely town because he's being very agressive at making people make mistakes. Decon, ON, and barun are the most suspicious for not being super active, but they could just be bored townies. Barun finally posts something significant, but he also didn't really do anything when we had a tie situation on our hands. We needed to lynch someone and by not participating it makes me suspicious.
My guess as to the mafia
GGQ Amber gmarshal
Gmarshal this whole time has been just following along and when coag switched, he was one of the first to switch. Maybe he knew that there was a possibility of saving both ggq and amber by not lynching either. I'm like 50% sure on gmarshal. If not gmarshal then it's probably barun or ON.
At the same time, gmarshal is probably just a bandwagoning townie.
Did anyone notice that decon claimed medic?
In any case, it's a travesty that both ggq and amber lived. They are probably both mafia. Let's lynch one, bomb the other.
On February 21 2011 04:00 darmousseh wrote: wow, that was really screwed up. Did anyone notice that decon claimed medic?
Ya but I was hoping nobody else did.
I figured it was worth it. If mafia target me and there is a second medic that clears two of us for tomorrow and also gives us an extra lynch (assuming he prots me, which was the whole point of claiming). Even if there isn't a second medic it gets fairly WIFOMish for them to go after me.
Wow if this isn't an obvious setup I don't know what is. Cmon guys do you really think that if I was mafia I would allow something like that to happen? Let's think before we go crazy and start bombing unnecessarily.
On February 21 2011 11:39 Amber[LighT] wrote: Wow if this isn't an obvious setup I don't know what is. Cmon guys do you really think that if I was mafia I would allow something like that to happen? Let's think before we go crazy and start bombing unnecessarily.
On February 21 2011 11:39 Amber[LighT] wrote: Wow if this isn't an obvious setup I don't know what is. Cmon guys do you really think that if I was mafia I would allow something like that to happen? Let's think before we go crazy and start bombing unnecessarily.
The end was pretty tame for such a game so explosive. As GMarshall, Deconduo and Barundar engaged in a lively discussion (involving a few 'speeches' that involved the use of the chairs and not so friendly devices) invisible gas seeped through.
It suddenly became quiet. The noises stopped.
A door was opened.
Bang! Bang! Bang Congratulations Amber[Light], OriginalName, and darmousseh on a flawless Scum Victory!
On February 21 2011 11:39 Amber[LighT] wrote: Wow if this isn't an obvious setup I don't know what is. Cmon guys do you really think that if I was mafia I would allow something like that to happen? Let's think before we go crazy and start bombing unnecessarily.
Scum!!!!!!
I hope there's no hard feelings <3 <3 <3
I'll take you up on that hug too
None what so ever sir. It's a game. Game over you won. I bow to your audacity to shoot me and then claim it was a set up. :p
On February 21 2011 11:59 darmousseh wrote: GG all
We took a huge risk.
Looking back the switch back to Coag should have been the end of us. There was only so much damage control that could be done. If GGQ managed to get his vote in I think we still would have been able to finagle a win by the 2nd night. Mathmatically either situation (no lynch, lynch coag) were pretty much a win as long as I didn't get lynched.
Gutsiest Play: Amber[Light], and darmousseh. For their vote switch to Coagulation. This allowed Coagulation to live and suspicion to still stick on GGQ. Note, if either GGQ, Amber[Light], or Coagulation died day 1, the mafia would have been pretty screwed. In fact, if GGQ posted 60 seconds earlier, the game would have ended completely different.
Gloryiest Post: It goes to Jackal58 to picking out the 3 mafia. Okay Gloryiest isn't a real word.
On February 21 2011 11:02 Jackal58 wrote: Night is almost over. GGQ Original Name Amber[L]ight Darmousseh
One of them is a townie. Which one? I honestly have no real idea.
This was my worst game ever. We woulda got a lynch last night on amber but i again fucked town and managed to make everyone vote for GGQ instead at the last second Ohman. I am the mayor of failville.
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Gutsiest Play: Amber[Light], and darmousseh. For their vote switch to Coagulation. This allowed Coagulation to live and suspicion to still stick on GGQ. Note, if either GGQ, Amber[Light], or Coagulation died day 1, the mafia would have been pretty screwed. In fact, if GGQ posted 60 seconds earlier, the game would have ended completely different.
Gloryiest Post: It goes to Jackal58 to picking out the 3 mafia. Okay Gloryiest isn't a real word.
Gutsiest Play: Amber[Light], and darmousseh. For their vote switch to Coagulation. This allowed Coagulation to live and suspicion to still stick on GGQ. Note, if either GGQ, Amber[Light], or Coagulation died day 1, the mafia would have been pretty screwed. In fact, if GGQ posted 60 seconds earlier, the game would have ended completely different.
Gloryiest Post: It goes to Jackal58 to picking out the 3 mafia. Okay Gloryiest isn't a real word.
On February 21 2011 11:02 Jackal58 wrote: Night is almost over. GGQ Original Name Amber[L]ight Darmousseh
One of them is a townie. Which one? I honestly have no real idea.
I'll take Gloryiest Honors.
My powers of persuasion are minimum.
Just go to a live report thread and spam up a tank and people will pay a bit more attention! And long analysis works really well.
Funny thing is I never brought that defense up at all this game... should've been a red flag if you've read any of the games I've played in. I noted that in the QuickTopic too because I was nervous about how to act as mafia, so I said fuck it and played like I normally would.
I don't think I've played with most of these players. I had to drop out of one of the more recent games but it was nice to play with some unfamiliar. I knew the Pandain method would work if I just persisted.
On February 21 2011 12:37 Amber[LighT] wrote: Funny thing is I never brought that defense up at all this game... should've been a red flag if you've read any of the games I've played in. I noted that in the QuickTopic too because I was nervous about how to act as mafia, so I said fuck it and played like I normally would.
I don't think I've played with most of these players. I had to drop out of one of the more recent games but it was nice to play with some unfamiliar. I knew the Pandain method would work if I just persisted.
Next time you're scum. And you want to start with a big post. Actually say something. Push some buttons on people. There wasn't a single thing you said in that post that made you look scummy. But there were tons of things you didn't say that pretty much guaranteed to me you were scum. I keep getting accused of tunneling. So I'm trying to work on that. But man you were in no doubt in my mind red from the get go.
On February 21 2011 13:08 Amber[LighT] wrote: I'd bet either Deconduo [good attempt at directing a hit in his direction] or Coagulation for obvious reasons.
Deconduo. I would have loved for you to kill Coagulation tbh. I knew he would ignore all my advice and blow himself up right away on someone.
Frowny face at all the people who ignored my logic in this game.
In theory the game is good, but it seems like when you give people special powers they are more inclined to act irrationally and as a result cause more chaos than necessary. Maybe if more players were in the game and there were more roles for the town? That would make it so the fanatics don't think that they need to play hero every day.
Idk though I've never hosted a game so I could be completely off base on that.
On February 22 2011 07:46 darmousseh wrote: Add a no explosion before first lynch rule and it's good
Scum tell here. Only mafia will want to limit town's choices of exploding or not exploding.
Obviously, I mean it was our incredible use of demolitions and well placed lynches that resulted in this overwhelming town victory, to be honest I dont think that the mafia ever stood a chance of holding out against our disciplined use of explosives and our well organized lynches, decided with plenty of time to avoid last minute surprises. Next time mafia really needs some kind of additional power to help them survive.
On February 22 2011 07:46 darmousseh wrote: Add a no explosion before first lynch rule and it's good
Scum tell here. Only mafia will want to limit town's choices of exploding or not exploding.
Obviously, I mean it was our incredible use of demolitions and well placed lynches that resulted in this overwhelming town victory, to be honest I dont think that the mafia ever stood a chance of holding out against our disciplined use of explosives and our well organized lynches, decided with plenty of time to avoid last minute surprises. Next time mafia really needs some kind of additional power to help them survive.
Absolutely. I mean mafia only managed to kill one person. Their absolute inefficiency is what cost them.
I just want to say that I don't think the balance was as bad as we made it look here. I'd be interested to see this game played where bombs were actually used optimally, to avoid mislynches.
I believe the game was actually balanced, town just played stupid, and in a small game like this losing two townies right off the bat was really bad for us
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