EPTTL Mafia XXXVII - Page 85
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Coagulation
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chaoser
United States5541 Posts
LSB gets lynched and he flips vigi, we have a confirmed townie in LA don't we? Unless medic protected him? Which I highly doubt? If LSB gets lynched and flips red we have the rest of the mafia team (LA+everyone against this lynch) I didn't even know LSB got protected. Why wasn't medic protecting foolishness and only protecting LSB? This is quite a coincidence that all this shit is just happening to one guy. | ||
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Jackal58
United States4264 Posts
On March 06 2011 06:14 chaoser wrote: Wait so why am I being voted on again? Did the points I bring up not make sense? LSB gets lynched and he flips vigi, we have a confirmed townie in LA don't we? Unless medic protected him? Which I highly doubt? If LSB gets lynched and flips red we have the rest of the mafia team (LA+everyone against this lynch) I didn't even know LSB got protected. Why wasn't medic protecting foolishness and only protecting LSB? This is quite a coincidence that all this shit is just happening to one guy. LA is not confirmed in any way shape or form. I was aware of who LSB shot well before LA claimed to have been hit. | ||
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chaoser
United States5541 Posts
The guilty part is you trying to subtly deflect the annul lynch, while hiding that you are trying to do that. This isn't " i dont think annul is a good lynch," which anyone mafia or town could say. This is "i secretly dont want to lynch annul but i dont want you to know that so im going to but maybe just maybe we can have him as a fallback option aka if my team cant get another suspect up there." Think about how convoluted your logic is. You're saying I said I didn't want him to be lynched but also saying I wanted him to be lynched but at the same time secretly don't want him lynched. WTF kind of logical loops did you jump through to get to that conclusion? I said I don't know if he's mafia or not but I am down with voting for him. It was DAY ONE for christ sake, who the fuck can seriously say with 100% confidence that they know someone is going to be mafia? All I know is that he was detrimental to town and wouldn't be good for us down the road. This was the same reasoning foolishness gave for his votes, that he would rather have someone active and suspicious of being mafia down the road and lynch someone who was suspicious but not active lynched right now. It gets rid of those DETRIMENTAL TO TOWN. Inactive+suspicious=better lynch than active+suspicious. I can go back and quote him on this. If you want to ask around, I was one of the first to get on his (annul's) case. Go ahead, ask around. BTW, this is exactly what mafia would want to do at this point, split the vote. First they jump on kev and then they jump on me, making it three people to vote for where they can last minute jump. | ||
GMarshal
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chaoser
United States5541 Posts
On March 06 2011 06:24 Jackal58 wrote: LA is not confirmed in any way shape or form. I was aware of who LSB shot well before LA claimed to have been hit. Why would he not be confirmed? LSB said he shot LA. LA claims he is vet. There's two ways this would go down. IF LSB is actually VIGI and shot LA then unless a medic protected LA (WHICH I DOUBT SINCE HE WAS SUSPECTED OF BEING MAFIA), LA is vet. IF LSB IS MAFIA THEN THEY BOTH LYING!!! | ||
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GMarshal
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Jackal58
United States4264 Posts
On March 06 2011 06:27 chaoser wrote: Why would he not be confirmed? LSB said he shot LA. LA claims he is vet. There's two ways this would go down. IF LSB is actually VIGI and shot LA then unless a medic protected LA (WHICH I DOUBT SINCE HE WAS SUSPECTED OF BEING MAFIA), LA is vet. IF LSB IS MAFIA THEN THEY BOTH LYING!!! Because LSB lied about who he hit for reasons known only to LSB. LSB believes LA is town for reasons known only to LSB. I know that LSB hit bumatlarge. I know a medic absorbed a hit on LSB. Why LSB is trying to get himself killed instead of LA we don't know. This is not my opinion alone. There are others involved that cannot speak or town is truly pooched. But you know most of this. Squirm scum squirm. | ||
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Coagulation
United States9633 Posts
The circle has a chain of confirmation that we verified this with. | ||
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Ser Aspi
France84 Posts
Your choice is to squirm and reveal the last mafia member or take this like a man and hope that guy can save the game. Your call brodooski. | ||
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chaoser
United States5541 Posts
On March 06 2011 06:34 Ser Aspi wrote: Nothing you say matters. We both know that what I said is true. Now you are getting scared and your demeanor has changed completely. That wasn't in the script now eh? Your choice is to squirm and reveal the last mafia member or take this like a man and hope that guy can save the game. Your call brodooski. lol, you're funny. scum calling town scum, priceless. My demeanor changed cause I'm excited. You know why? Cause this is mafia making their last big play. Obviously you all know how it's going to go down if you fail this one lynch. Because LSB lied about who he hit for reasons known only to LSB. LSB believes LA is town for reasons known only to LSB. I know that LSB hit bumatlarge. I know a medic absorbed a hit on LSB. Why LSB is trying to get himself killed instead of LA we don't know. This is not my opinion alone. There are others involved that cannot speak or town is truly pooched. But you know most of this. How can we confirm ANY OF THIS AS REAL TRUTH. You said LSB LIED?! LOLOL, you're saying a lie is going to lead to the truth. So let's add that as another reason for him being red. LAL | ||
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Jackal58
United States4264 Posts
On March 06 2011 06:39 chaoser wrote: lol, you're funny. scum calling town scum, priceless. My demeanor changed cause I'm excited. You know why? Cause this is mafia making their last big play. Obviously you all know how it's going to go down if you fail this one lynch. How can we confirm ANY OF THIS AS REAL TRUTH. You said LSB LIED?! LOLOL, you're saying a lie is going to lead to the truth. So let's add that as another reason for him being red. LAL I'm not asking anybody to believe LSB. I'm asking town to trust me. A variety of blues have. I gave you 2 confirmation options. Neither will confirm anything other than LSB is a vigi or that I'm a vanilla townie. I would prefer if town needs to go that route that they lynch me. Because lynching LSB will allow scum to exploit an apparent confirmation of LA. That is a lie. I am their mouthpiece because I am just a vanilla townie. | ||
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GMarshal
United States22154 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + GMarshal Hi! Would you like to be the first member of my analysis circle? if so I'll be PMing you with my thoughts and bouncing analysis off you! I hope you can do the same with me. If you *are* scum, I don't care, as this will just give me more to analyze, if you aren't then this will be good for the both of us. So yeah, RoL already warned us these would be necessary so I think we might as well start one, I think you should pick a 3rd member just so we can have the most unbiased analysis possible, if you don't want to pick a 3rd member then we can just go with a two person circle or I can choose. + Show Spoiler + chaoser You choose lol, and yes, lets, same to you. GMarshal So, I'm going to go with darmousseh, on a whim. that good with you? chaoser sure, i'd rather have a newbie in our group though since we're both decent players and I think by inviting a newbie in we prevent them from 1) lurking if they're mafia and 2) makes them feel more "part of the game" and so they'll actually want to play and help town instead of doing stupid shit/not saying anything so that by day 5 when we post analysis they'll come off as horrible red when they're just bored town, I know when I first started I chilled a lot and came off as that GMarshal I already sent him the invite, we can add a newb if you want though, go ahead and pick one randomly and we can incorporate him chaoser I picked icemat. I don't quite understand the cells. Sorry, running on pure coffee right now + Show Spoiler + Original Message From GMarshal: The cells are just a group of people you bounce ideas off, this encourages more active posting as you feel obliged by more active players asking you questions and bouncing ideas off you. This also leads to people posting more and more stuff to analyze Did you send him a PM btw? chaoser yeah, i told him I was in a group with you GMarhsal ok, thanks chaoser What do you think about annul's mafia count thing? also people need to get off my back, wish this was guts and glory again... Original Message From GMarshal: annul is playing stupid and I would lynch him just on that it is true you seem to always be picked on day 1... sorry? Its a fair assumption to assume 6 mafia in a 30 player game, but it could also be a scum slip, right now I'm unsure, if we did lynch him and he flipped red then I would believe we have a 6 mafia team to deal with chaoser Mr. Wiggle's post is exactly what I was thinking, we don't know the GF set up so it could be that there's 4 players only, or 5 for KP. Usually 6 mafia is standard when the KP is calculated as 3 for 6, 2 for 4, 1 for 2. But this is like some crazy addition thing with GF being 1 KP so the math would be off? 6 is like 1+2.5 so 3.5. I guess it's not that off since that means 3 KP + 1 power. Maybe I'm just too tired ugh. I think I'mm go back to studying and then turn in for the night + Show Spoiler + chaoser While I do like the idea of cells, I think you should back off of it, it's detracting from everything else town needs to do, feel like it's just two town (you and BM) butting heads over an issue you won't agree on. It gives a chance for mafia to seem like they contributing too by just dropping in and commenting. Let's just work on our own circle, it seems some have thought it was a good idea too. At the very least, activity is at an all time high this game lol. I'll post this idea in thread too. GMarshal Ok, I'm done talking about cells then. Lets get scum hunting/poking inactives + Show Spoiler + Original Message From GMarshal: gryffindor is really aggravating! Anyway I doubt the town is stupid enough to lynch me off his accusations, so I guess its best we consider real targets. Any thoughts on annul? chaoser holy crap i'm busy for a day and the game turns into a shit fest...wtf annul...I'm willing to vote him just cause spam is BAD for the game, especially if it's just two people yelling at each other. At least you and grfy were talking about plans, he's just spamming with LSB...going to make it hard to play endgame when there's like 60 pages to go through...i'll catch up tmr morning, just wrote a 6 page paper in 2 hours. I aced my test btw lol. + Show Spoiler + Original Message From GMarshal: I made a quick topic for our little circle, I still mistrust icemac, so keep an eye on his posts http://www.quicktopic.com/45/H/hTug9L8PrCD chaoser Actually I was just about to pm you about that dude. Annul: At present, annul is bad for town whether he's mafia or not...I mean there's not helping town and there's being detrimental to town. Making the thread into a heated mud slinging battle=not very good atmosphere to be catching red in. Promoting discussion is fine, promoting flaming is not. It just lets mafia blend in and take sides and have an easy way of "contributing to discussion". I know he can do better too, it's just a question of why isn't he i guess. I hate policy lynches but if it keeps going this way... I'm willing to have him as a fall back lynch if no one else comes up. Icemat: That being said, icemat is looking pretty scummy to me. He's not saying anything at all, he's saying there's nothing to analysis day 1 so he won't do it, doesn't take a real stance on anything. And then he votes an inactive when clearly we have A LOT to go on? come on now...what's your opinion on him? + Show Spoiler + Original Message From GMarshal: Annul I don't have a very good read on, he is either an aggressive/stupid townie or just scum. I agree though, he would make a fine fall back lynch, although I think LSB is pushing for him a little too hard. Ice is playing faaaar to aggressive for a new player, its interesting how his PM to me is rather apologetic, which makes me think he is possibly flip flopping scum. Also notice how he didn't post all that much,yet he took annul/gryffindors side so he could have expected to go by kind of unnoticed yet noted as a contributor, also this would keep annul/gryffindor from jumping on him. Right now I have a minor scum read on him, hopefully we can bait out more information. Also anyone who says analysis isn't worth anything day 1 just looks scummy in my eyes thoughts on Jackal? chaoser LSB just doesn't like him lawl lol. They got history. Can i see the PM from ice? Gmarshal Sure "Hey chaoser told me that you me Darm and him are in the same circle or whatever. Just Pm'ing it up to get acquainted. My bad for shitting on your idea earlier. Still not a big fan of it but if it helps us win then so be it. talk to you later." + Show Spoiler + Original Message From GMarshal: Damnit, and I was sure he was town too... alright, thoughts? From the votes I would take a look at LD amongst others. chaoser dude...i don't trust icemac...he's in the group but hasn't said anything. He doesn't do analysis, gives shit reasons for not doing it, I think he's red, two bandwagons formed on him and annul, mafia couldn't do anything and bussed annul while trying to semi trying to see if they could get it off him and onto other targets. what do you think? Original Message From GMarshal: Its possible, but what *really* concerns me is the ridiculous blue sniping that took place, this makes me almost certain that a really good player is on the scum team, also notice how they used up all their KP (I'm assuming 3). The other possibility is those blues were stupid and claimed to someone (if wiggles claimed then it was probably to LSB, IMO), just my general thoughts. icemac we can go after if no better lynches present themselves chaoser if it's a 6 man setup and annul died, it's 5 men, meaning 3 KP. I don't know if RoL is using 1 KP per kill or rounding up system, I just PMed him. If it's rounding up then 2.5 KP can still kill 3 people and they can still frame/cover so if that's the case then i still wouldn't trust DTs, it could even be mafia claiming, and then when the person gets lynched, they can say he got framed... GMarshal I agree, I'm not saying to trust DTs, I'm pointing out that whoever mafia is feels confident enough to not care to use frames/covers that much day 1 Chaoser hey, what are you thoughts on __________? I think we can trust him. Talking to him on skype, if you got skype, get on and we can start a chat, I think we can get somewhere with this (moved onto skype from there on) | ||
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GMarshal
United States22154 Posts
On March 05 2011 07:23 GMarshal wrote: Well, why didn't you just shoot him instead of calling for a vigi to do it? Why did you shoot tonight rather than yesterday night? Do you know for a fact that there is a second vigi that could have overlapped with you, or is that just a guess? you didn't reply to this question with the natural response "I was roleblocked" which would have been a perfectly logical response, instead you dodge the question. Having a difficult time keeping track of your lies? Or is there something im missing? | ||
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chaoser
United States5541 Posts
On March 06 2011 06:46 Jackal58 wrote: I'm not asking anybody to believe LSB. I'm asking town to trust me. A variety of blues have. I gave you 2 confirmation options. Neither will confirm anything other than LSB is a vigi or that I'm a vanilla townie. I would prefer if town needs to go that route that they lynch me. Because lynching LSB will allow scum to exploit an apparent confirmation of LA. That is a lie. I am their mouthpiece because I am just a vanilla townie. There's some inconsistencies in your story. LA said he's vet and got hit. This means either mafia hit him or vigi hit him. If no one claims then it's assumed either he is lying or mafia hit him. This can be confirmed and is simple. If vigi claims then supposed vigi can be lynched and the other will be confirmed and is simple. There is never a need to lie in that situation. Why would someone who didn't shoot him, say they shot him to give him creditability? To town, this is UNCONFIRMABLE. Also, since you are just a "vanilla townie", why are you part of this circle? What confirmed that you are indeed town? | ||
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chaoser
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Coagulation
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Message From LSB: All right guys, I'm going to say, we do have a really good chance for a town circle going. We've got 3 people I am 100% certain are green Removed names What happened last night 1. Mafia hit me 2. I shot Bum. Now, there is a little problem, LastArgument is being attacked. We want to know how to deal with this. A few options. 1. Redirect lynch into chaos. 2. Have LastArgument come out and Claim that he was hit. This would be iffy but it would be useful. this is his PM when LSB first mentioned the fucking brilliant fake vigi shot scenario according to him he rather get lynched than let LA get lynched was his logic. | ||
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CubEdIn
Romania5359 Posts
On March 06 2011 06:06 Ser Aspi wrote: 3 Here is the kicker. After all the bullshit you say about being decisive, after all the suspicion and doubt you put on all these dumb townies throughout the game, you don't say a damn word about cubedin (might as well air all the dirty laundry now) or kevconsim. Cubedin has made multiple 8 paragraph posts which boil down to "I dont know anything and dont have a real opinion about anyone," while nobody in the game has successfully forced a strong opinion out of kevconsim despite multiple thread and pm attempts. And GUESS WHO FELL ONTO THE JBRIGHT TRAP? Chaoser, cubedin, kevconsim. It's just a coincidence right!??!? RIGHT???? No fucking way scumbo. Right. You "made a trap" within the town-circle, and are raining down upon whoever voted for JB, even though you gave reasons to lynch him yourself. I'm sure there were only mafia outside your circle, right? I made posts and I explained why I chose JB, I always pushed that both be killed, if you don't believe me, fine. It's pretty obvious someone role-checked JB and he flipped green or blue, and now you're acting like a wise ass because you know that, while other people in the game do not. But fine, go ahead and lynch me for that. I'll die with a smile on my face when you see what I flip. I won't even try to defend myself against this. But trust me, when I'm mafia, I care enough for the game as to not get trapped in the wrong band-wagon. I learned that the hard way in Harry Potter. As for now, I'll go with Jackal and vote Chaoser. I've posted things against him in the past, and I already told you that LSB and LA are 90% town. But of course, you should consider this a bus-vote. ##Vote Chaoser | ||
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chaoser
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Barundar
Denmark1582 Posts
Coagulation suddenly deciding to join the game, or cubedin suddenly showing decisiveness by voting chaoser, changes nothing for that opinion. | ||
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