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On March 06 2011 06:39 chaoser wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2011 06:34 Ser Aspi wrote:
Nothing you say matters. We both know that what I said is true. Now you are getting scared and your demeanor has changed completely. That wasn't in the script now eh?
Your choice is to squirm and reveal the last mafia member or take this like a man and hope that guy can save the game. Your call brodooski. lol, you're funny. scum calling town scum, priceless. My demeanor changed cause I'm excited. You know why? Cause this is mafia making their last big play. Obviously you all know how it's going to go down if you fail this one lynch. Show nested quote +Because LSB lied about who he hit for reasons known only to LSB. LSB believes LA is town for reasons known only to LSB. I know that LSB hit bumatlarge. I know a medic absorbed a hit on LSB. Why LSB is trying to get himself killed instead of LA we don't know. This is not my opinion alone. There are others involved that cannot speak or town is truly pooched. But you know most of this. How can we confirm ANY OF THIS AS REAL TRUTH. You said LSB LIED?! LOLOL, you're saying a lie is going to lead to the truth. So let's add that as another reason for him being red. LAL
Ah yes, you panicked too much there scumbo. Lashing out at your accusers and calling them mafia is such a scum move. Especially in this case as my innocence is unquestionable at this point. But you've been spreading doubt all game, why would you stop now.
I'm not privy to any notable information but a simple vote and post glance tells us which suspect is more likely
1. Jackal LSB and I were crucial votes on Seraph, an exceedingly close lynch the mafia clearly intervened in.
2. Chaoser and company were core votes on jbright.
3. LSB has people backing up his stories. See point 1 as well.
4. LSB bandwagon is building up way too fast and unopposed. No other mafia bandwagon took up that unopposed and without any defense. On the other hand, the icemac bandwagon had no resistance at all and jumped high immediately.
5. Chaoser is panicking with the heat on him.
Not really hard to see which case is more likely. Despite all of LSB's cases flaws, he could just be a crazy townie. Chaoser...not so much.
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On March 06 2011 07:31 Barundar wrote:
Coagulation suddenly deciding to join the game, or cubedin suddenly showing decisiveness by voting chaoser, changes nothing for that opinion.
EXCUSE ME? I RESENT THAT!
I'm not showing decisiveness, this is the regular time of voting for me.
Also, I've been poking at chaoser repeatedly during this game. And if I have to choose between him and LSB, it's not even a dilemma.
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See the LSB situation makes no sense whatsoever, if LSB were really a vigi then he would have had no issue telling us the truth and then saying "as a confirmed townie, who was both rbed, and hit by scum and medic protected I hit bum for *insert valid reason here*" instead all he tells us is that he he hit a person who was most likely to be lynched rather than who he actually hit an dosn't mention his save? Sorry but if that is LSB's town play then I cannot believe a word he says from this point forward. Is it that difficult to understand that players on the town side SHOULD NOT LIE?!?!?!
Also its nice to see a blue circle formed, seems like we learned nothing of salem. I hope for all your sake's that LSB dosn't flip red or the streets will probably run with blue blood tonight.
Lynch LSB because he lied and town has no need of lies.
If he flips blue then its his own damn fault, if he wanted to defend LA he should have used logic not lies.
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4. LSB bandwagon is building up way too fast and unopposed.
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On March 06 2011 07:42 CubEdIn wrote:P.S.: ...
Like the absolute lack of a bandwagon against chaoser we are seeing right now... oh...wait...
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Bait and Switch
A new idea of a play
Welcome to the bait and switch! By giving imperfect information to the mafia, we can tell a lot.
Read why I did this before you yell out LAL
The setup
+ Show Spoiler +
What happened Night 3
LSB shoots Bum
Doctor Protects LSB
Mafia Shoots Foolishness and LSB
People dead: LSB and Foolishness.
What town thinks happened Night 3
LSB shoots LA
Mafia shot Bum and Foolishness
LA is Vet
People dead: Bum and Foolishness.
Keep in mind, mafia has a pretty good idea of what happened Night 3. The key difference is that the town thinks that LSB could be telling the truth about LA
The Bait
+ Show Spoiler +We set up the switch like this. I’m in contact with LA. LA claims that he was hit last night. I then claim I hit him. Simple. Now the key point is that. LSB is the bait here. When town looks at this situation, naturally the townie would gravitate towards lynching LA. For example, check this out On March 05 2011 07:07 GMarshal wrote:
Alright, so this either confirms you two or is a desperate scum gamble to survive, if we hung either of you the other would be confirmed, however the price of that confirmation is bringing us one day closer to lylo if you guys aren't a scumteam...
So, people what are your thoughts on the topic? If we lynch LA we confirm LSB as town or scum depending on the flip, alternatively we could just ignore that and go after kevinconism/others as our lynch of the day and worry about LSB and LA tomorrow, hoping that a mafia hit would flip one of them for us. When GMarshal sees what happens, his first reaction is to lynch LA. This is because LA isn’t a great contributor, he is under suspcision, and the town wants to get rid of him. Having LSB claim is just another plus. Now, but what happens if LA is lynched? He flips green, and LSB looks good (Well assuming he is green, he could be red, but either way LSB is a better lynch for mafia) But if LSB is lynched, that’s a big plus for mafia. So the bait is there. Who would take the bait?
The Switch
+ Show Spoiler +ChaoserOn March 05 2011 07:10 chaoser wrote:
Lynch LSB. If he's vigi then we have 100% confirmed in LA being a vet since I doubt medics protected him. If LSB is red then LA is red too. On March 05 2011 07:12 chaoser wrote:
LSB, if you were vigi, why didn't you hit barundar yourself? You were calling for a hit on him? Chaoser immediately pushed the town to lynching LSB instead of LA. Instead of lynching LA to confirm LSB, he realizes this could be his chance to take out LSB, who's been confirmed three times over But wait? Didn’t he have this great post about why we should lynch LA? http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=191888¤tpage=81#1604(A gigantic post telling us why LA is supposedly mafia) Why would he suddenly abandon all thought of lynching LA. Lynching LA would do the same thing, confirm that LSB is telling the ‘truth’ Unless he was mafia and took the bait. Chaoser went for the fat juicy target and took it. Mafia Caught! ##Vote Chaoser
Why I did this?/How does this work?
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After observing Mafia XXXVI and playing as mafia in Diplomacy, I realized one thing.
If your mafia, it’s really hard to play against your interests.
In Diplomacy, the Mafia interest was to take out the Vig. And I did that, I moved and attacked Ace. It was important to the mafia that we did this or Ace would have killed me, losing a lot of votes.
At the same time, I didn’t consider what a townie would have done. A townie would have let Ace confirm himself. Instead I tried to fabricate a reasoning for my interests.
Now lets apply this to this game.
The choice is between LSB and LA. Mafia interest is to take out LSB, especially since LA is probably inactive. So they go for it and fabricate a reasoning and try to get the town to go with it.
But remember. This isn’t what a townie would have done. A townie would have lynched the inactive (who isn’t going to help them in lylo anyways), because if they were both red, who is lynched first doesn’t matter
And I am very sure about Chaoser because of one big reason. He abandoned him lynch of LA. If he really thought LA was mafia, why would he abandon it? The only explanation is that he is mafia and took the bait
LastArgument
So is LA actually green? Well, I don’t know… yet… there is an easy way to tell if LA is green. And that will come day 4.
Why I am Town?
I shot Bumatalarge. My PMs with Barundar foreshadows this
I took a hit last night.
I killed Annul and Seraph.
Chaoser is red.
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Thanks for the birthday wishes guys!
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Rol, can I edit how the picture resizes? It's kindof annoying.
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O.O
I'm just going to stand here and think about that for the next 20 minutes or so...
That is either an absolutely brilliant Town plan or the most diabolical piece of BS i have been graced with seeing...
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If we lynch LA and he flips vet then it means nothing to town. It not an 100% confirmed, idiot. Mafia could have hit him and then mafia claims they were vigi hitting him.
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On March 06 2011 07:49 chaoser wrote:
If we lynch LA and he flips vet then it means nothing to town. It not an 100% confirmed, idiot. Mafia could have hit him and then mafia claims they were vigi hitting him.
So mafia decided to hit Foolishness, Bum and also some random dude named LA? All to attempt to confirm LSB?
I'm more inclined to believe that Annul is town. Oh wait, he flipped red.
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There's no bait and there's no switch. It's perfectly logical for town to lynch vigi to confirm his target. It's been done in games before. If I wasn't so strapped for time right now, I'd go find all those games in the past and show you. Unless a medic protected a mafia, the person who got hit and then didn't die is going to be town.
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On March 06 2011 07:46 LSB wrote:
Rol, can I edit how the picture resizes? It's kindof annoying.
No edits! Especially on a big post like that. Don't worry the pic looks fine :D
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On March 06 2011 07:53 LSB wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2011 07:49 chaoser wrote:
If we lynch LA and he flips vet then it means nothing to town. It not an 100% confirmed, idiot. Mafia could have hit him and then mafia claims they were vigi hitting him. So mafia decided to hit Foolishness, Bum and also some random dude named LA? All to attempt to confirm LSB? I'm more inclined to believe that Annul is town. Oh wait, he flipped red.
Or mafia stacked foolishness and hit Bum and then used the discrepancy in hits to tell this pretty little LA/LSB bullshit circle story.
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Oh I should add voting ends in 4 hours
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So, a simple question!
Why would a medic protect you over Foolishness? In case you didn't realise, quite a few of us has been suspecious of you for some time. Foolishness on the other hand has been playing exempliary town.
I call bullshit, right there.
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On March 06 2011 06:57 chaoser wrote:
Also, since you are just a "vanilla townie", why are you part of this circle? What confirmed that you are indeed town?
You role blocked me.
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You are being played Jackal. We all know you are town and that you are convinced, but really, what made you believe in LSB's lies?
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On March 06 2011 07:54 chaoser wrote:
There's no bait and there's no switch. It's perfectly logical for town to lynch vigi to confirm his target. It's been done in games before. If I wasn't so strapped for time right now, I'd go find all those games in the past and show you. Unless a medic protected a mafia, the person who got hit and then didn't die is going to be town.
The issue is it's not a matter of Vig/Vet. It's a matter of Pro-Town Player who has lynched two mafia before and probably isn't going to die because he's medic protected 24/7. And a player who's been under suspicion and not really going to help the town.
Taking out LSB in this case is a move that Mafia wants so badly that it will move in position and take it.
That is the bait, and the switch is. We knew what we were doing all along.
On March 06 2011 07:57 chaoser wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2011 07:53 LSB wrote:On March 06 2011 07:49 chaoser wrote:
If we lynch LA and he flips vet then it means nothing to town. It not an 100% confirmed, idiot. Mafia could have hit him and then mafia claims they were vigi hitting him. So mafia decided to hit Foolishness, Bum and also some random dude named LA? All to attempt to confirm LSB? I'm more inclined to believe that Annul is town. Oh wait, he flipped red. Or mafia stacked foolishness and hit Bum and then used the discrepancy in hits to tell this pretty little LA/LSB bullshit circle story.
So your saying that the Mafia somehow convinced LA the vet to claim that he was hit?
Your just grasping at straws. I admire the effort, but it's over
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