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Now, as the GF... you know we are lynching town today... this means town 100% loses.
But just above you said:
GF can only win if:
1) we lynch SK today 2) we lynch SK tomorrow AFTER GF only kills 1 person
So yeah...looks like you tripped up on your own words
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On February 20 2011 07:41 GMarshal wrote: yes, but you seem to be ignoring vital evidence Insanious, why's riddles, as I see it there is no reason to doubt them, which means that either you or someone who is already dead are the SK, hence by hanging you we pretty much guarantee that the SK is dead, giving town an actual chance of victory. On the off-chance why lied then GF pretty much has to only kill one person tonight to make sure he dosn't outright lose, so as I see it we are in a good spot. Naturally GF while *I* have full faith on why being honest you should really consider if its worth risking losing outright by killing two people tonight. False. I say deconduo was a grunt. As such killing me gurantees an anti-town is dead... but might not be one that matters.
As well, I never said it wasn't good for GF to kill 1 person, just that it doesn't help town. Killing 1 or killing 2 does the same amount of damage to the town... GF would of had to only kill 1 yesterday for it to make a difference to the town.
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On February 20 2011 07:49 chaoser wrote:Show nested quote +Now, as the GF... you know we are lynching town today... this means town 100% loses. But just above you said: Show nested quote +GF can only win if:
1) we lynch SK today 2) we lynch SK tomorrow AFTER GF only kills 1 person So yeah...looks like you tripped up on your own words how so?
if we lynch town today (which we are) then Scenario 2 happens, were GF can win if GF only kills 1 person.
There is no slip up there. These are scenarios not "this + this happens"
GF wins if:
1) town lynches SK today
OR
2) town lynches SK tomorrow AFTER GF only kills 1 person
there is no slip up... please point one out?
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Seeing as how critical the game has become, I really hope gryffindor and beefy can give their opinions soon, so we all can evaluate their thoughts on this.
I think it's quite clear how dearly town will pay in case of a wrong lynch, it's not necessary to iterate it more.
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On February 20 2011 07:52 Insanious wrote:Show nested quote +On February 20 2011 07:49 chaoser wrote:Now, as the GF... you know we are lynching town today... this means town 100% loses. But just above you said: GF can only win if:
1) we lynch SK today 2) we lynch SK tomorrow AFTER GF only kills 1 person So yeah...looks like you tripped up on your own words how so? if we lynch town today (which we are) then Scenario 2 happens, were GF can win if GF only kills 1 person. There is no slip up there. These are scenarios not "this + this happens" GF wins if: 1) town lynches SK today OR 2) town lynches SK tomorrow AFTER GF only kills 1 person there is no slip up... please point one out?
Cause if GF (me, according to you), doesn't lynch SK today, GF will get killed by SK tonight. That's the slipup. If I was GF I would not put my neck out on the line saying a townie is the SK, I'd put my neck out on the line saying the SK is the SK, Get it?
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On February 20 2011 07:50 Insanious wrote:Show nested quote +On February 20 2011 07:41 GMarshal wrote: yes, but you seem to be ignoring vital evidence Insanious, why's riddles, as I see it there is no reason to doubt them, which means that either you or someone who is already dead are the SK, hence by hanging you we pretty much guarantee that the SK is dead, giving town an actual chance of victory. On the off-chance why lied then GF pretty much has to only kill one person tonight to make sure he dosn't outright lose, so as I see it we are in a good spot. Naturally GF while *I* have full faith on why being honest you should really consider if its worth risking losing outright by killing two people tonight. False. I say deconduo was a grunt. As such killing me gurantees an anti-town is dead... but might not be one that matters. As well, I never said it wasn't good for GF to kill 1 person, just that it doesn't help town. Killing 1 or killing 2 does the same amount of damage to the town... GF would of had to only kill 1 yesterday for it to make a difference to the town.
Lol
If I was a grunt, how was there 2 mafia kills last night? Fail.
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Insanious is obviously mafia with the italicization mixup vote: Insanious I know we're in a bad spot, but this is an easy one, guys.
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meh im dead, 3 votes = half of town...
I am town btw . I'll come back to post
I told you so
once we lose the game.
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@ Chaoser If you think i'm the GF why don't you vote for me? Afraid of revenge of Chaotix are you :p Why are you so afraid?
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On February 20 2011 06:11 Insanious wrote:Show nested quote +On February 20 2011 06:08 deconduo wrote:On February 20 2011 06:07 Insanious wrote:On February 20 2011 05:57 deconduo wrote: @Insanious Did you kill why? no I did not Ah well I was hoping your personality wouldn't allow you to lie, shame. I did not lie, I am not mafia or sk. i do not have any powers in this game. I cannot kill, I am a plain green.  sorry town, that I apparently look so scummy that you are going to throw away the game on this lynch.
Your Crazed Rabbit yes?
Repeat after me. Capitalize every word and don't change anything.
I Insanious (Crazed Rabbit) is not Mafia or Serial Killer. I am on the towns side.
If you have a red text it may be the "truth"
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I Insanious (Crazed Rabbit) is not Mafia or Serial Killer. I am on the towns side.
I have said this already, but no one believes me .
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On February 20 2011 08:46 beefy187 wrote: @ Chaoser If you think i'm the GF why don't you vote for me? Afraid of revenge of Chaotix are you :p Why are you so afraid?
I can not say
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On February 20 2011 09:02 chaoser wrote:Show nested quote +On February 20 2011 08:46 beefy187 wrote: @ Chaoser If you think i'm the GF why don't you vote for me? Afraid of revenge of Chaotix are you :p Why are you so afraid? I can not say ???
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On February 20 2011 09:15 SiNiquity wrote:Show nested quote +On February 20 2011 09:02 chaoser wrote:On February 20 2011 08:46 beefy187 wrote: @ Chaoser If you think i'm the GF why don't you vote for me? Afraid of revenge of Chaotix are you :p Why are you so afraid? I can not say ???
Thanks for showing up, can you weigh in on what's been going on?
And I can not say anything about the first question he asked.
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On February 20 2011 09:15 SiNiquity wrote:Show nested quote +On February 20 2011 09:02 chaoser wrote:On February 20 2011 08:46 beefy187 wrote: @ Chaoser If you think i'm the GF why don't you vote for me? Afraid of revenge of Chaotix are you :p Why are you so afraid? I can not say ??? obviously it has something to do with chaoser's red text...
for some reason, I assume it is something like:
"you cannot change your vote once cast"
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Night actions this game
- (2) Night 1: Bumatlarge, Ace killed. Ace attempted to kidnap aidnai.
- (3) Night 2: Brownbear, Node killed. Why killed.
- (2) Night 3: Coagulation killed. Aidnai killed.
- (3) Night 4: JBright, Believer killed. deconduo killed.
Day actions this game
- (2) Day 1: zerroth lynched, LunarDestiny suicided.
- (2) Day 2: Kitaman is killed during the day. Misder is lynched.
- (5) Day 2 mod-kills: me_viet, ELITECubWarman8, SouthRawrea, Johnhughthom, Project Psycho
- (2) Day 3: Mr. Wiggles killed by Reenk Roink. GGQ lynched.
- (2) Day 3 mod-kills: darmousseh (roleclaimed in PMs), ilovejon (roleclaimed in PMs)
- (1) Day 4: thefluffyone93 lynched.
So nights 2 and 4 were the ones with additional kills. At present it seems obvious now that there's a 3rd party killer, but I haven't seen much thought given on to how this 3rd party works. Here are the possibilities I've come up with:
- The 3rd party can start killing people starting Night 2. This means that in between nights 2 and 3 a mafia grunt was killed (i.e. Day 3), and nights 3 and 4 (i.e. Day 4) a mafia grunt was killed. Thus one person from each bullet is mafia:
- Day 3: Mr. Wiggles, GGQ, darmousseh, ilovejon
- Day 4: thefluffyone93
Ppever's post after day 3 seems to hint that at least some anti-town forces have died:
On February 16 2011 22:33 pevergreen wrote: ilovejonn has been modkilled for breaking the rules.
I was going to do a role update and reveal the number of remaining anti-town players etc, but after the breaking of rules, no. So I find this the most likely possibility. This would also imply that thefluffyone93 was definitively mafia, and probably darmousseh (given his victory conditions appear to be red text).
- The 3rd party can kill more and more people as time goes on, but can only kill every other night. So 1 on night 2 and 2 on night 4. This would mean that there's only 1 mafia on the list above, or 2 and 1 of those killed was the GF. Only not screwed if 2 killed, but in this case it'd be imperative to kill the SK else 3 kills on night 6 would obliterate the rest of the town. This seems a bit OP, so I'm leaning against it.
We're screwed possibilities (i.e. ignore these, but for completeness some other ones I thought up):
- The 3rd party is only allowed to hit once every other night. This would imply either:
2 mafia died in between nights 3 and 4 (only thefluffyone93 died, so no).
- There are 3 mafia, 1 SK and 2 town. Either way we lose as far as I can tell, so I'm not giving this one too much credence in the spirit of optimism.
- The 3rd party is allowed to hit once starting Night 2 but is immune to night hits (popular in TL setups, idk about Totalwar, can a totalwar vet clarify?). Mafia attempted to kill SK on night 3 but were unable to do so. Again this would imply 3 mafia, 1 SK, 2 town. And again, this would mean it's SK vs Mafia and thus we're screwed, so I'm not putting too much thought into this.
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@SiNiquity theres also the fact that darmousseh was atheotes and "atheotes is almost always mafia" to point that he is, but its a moot point at this point we have to assume that the town is up against 1 mafia (probably the GF) and 1 sk, and I'm almost sure we are guaranteed to have killed the SK with this lynch.
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Can total war vets tell us how SKs usually work over there? I know at TL they can check someone, kill someone, and can't die to night hits.
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On February 20 2011 09:29 Insanious wrote:Show nested quote +On February 20 2011 09:15 SiNiquity wrote:On February 20 2011 09:02 chaoser wrote:On February 20 2011 08:46 beefy187 wrote: @ Chaoser If you think i'm the GF why don't you vote for me? Afraid of revenge of Chaotix are you :p Why are you so afraid? I can not say ??? obviously it has something to do with chaoser's red text... for some reason, I assume it is something like: "you cannot change your vote once cast"
I have not cast my vote yet
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On February 20 2011 09:38 chaoser wrote:Show nested quote +On February 20 2011 09:29 Insanious wrote:On February 20 2011 09:15 SiNiquity wrote:On February 20 2011 09:02 chaoser wrote:On February 20 2011 08:46 beefy187 wrote: @ Chaoser If you think i'm the GF why don't you vote for me? Afraid of revenge of Chaotix are you :p Why are you so afraid? I can not say ??? obviously it has something to do with chaoser's red text... for some reason, I assume it is something like: "you cannot change your vote once cast" I have not cast my vote yet my bad, I had assumed that you had voted me. Didn't really pay attention considering how sure you are I am anti-town.
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