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Now watch Pandain roll Mason and add you two to his circle first. :p | ||
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Also, Happy Birthday Pandain! | ||
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On January 20 2011 12:42 LunarDestiny wrote: QUESTION: Will the OP include clues pointing toward mafia? ie. flamewheel got owned by XXX. Qatol got kill for the 9000th time by YYY. I hope not, considering there's a 24 hour "night" before the first day. That would give town 72 hours to make out the first set of clues haha. Question of my own: Do Mafia pick who kills each person, only played once, so I'm not sure. Will the clue be left about that person, or will you just randomly pick someone from the mafia team? For example, Mafia would never send a roleblocker or godfather if a clue will be left about them, right? Also, for the serial killer, do they have to kill every night, and are clues left about them? | ||
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With a cherry on top. | ||
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On January 22 2011 11:51 Node wrote: The game will begin tomorrow unless more people drop out. Hooray! When about? Morning, or at 8:00-10:00 PM? | ||
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On January 22 2011 12:20 LunarDestiny wrote: Time Cycle: This game will follow a 24 hour night/48 hour day cycle. In case I am not able to post around deadline, any votes after the 48 hour mark will not count and the game will be put on halt until the night post is up. Currently the deadline is 18:00 PST / 21:00 EST / 11:00 KST, but that is subject to change. 24hours... Yeah, but there is some night zero thing, so I wasn't sure if that was a full cycle or not. | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + Written In Reverse lyrics I'm writing this to you in reverse Someone better call a hearse I can see it all from here From just a few glimpses Now that lightbulb's gone off And it's pulling my wince And now the lightbulb's gone off I've seen it in your eyes I've seen you blankly stare And I wanna show you how I love you But there's nothing there I'm not standin' here! Oh I'm not standin' here! And I'm writing in reverse I know it could be worse I'm not standing here, I'm not standing here (I'm not standing here, I'm not standing here) (and I'm writing in reverse, I know it could be worse) And I hear that famous song And I hear that can't be wrong No nothin' was planned You just can't help yourself Some people are so easily shuffled and dealt If there's only one of us you truly felt We're gettin' you raw And it feels real good Although only briefly Like high school poppers would Will you lose a bit of yourself? Will you lose a bit of yourself? I'm not standin' here! Oh I'm not standin' here! And I'm writing in reverse I know it could be worse I hear that famous song And I hear that can't be wrong All I know, is all I know, Yes, all I know, is all I know Is all I know... I'm writing this to you in reverse Someone better call a hearse (woo!) I can see it all from here From just a few glimpses Now that lightbulb's gone off And it's pulling my wince And now the lightbulb's gone off I've seen it in your eyes And there's nothing there There's nothing there I wanna show you how I love you I can see you blankly stare | ||
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1. How they will choose bodyguards. 2. How they will use the power of census 3. How they will use and release the information census gives them. Here are my thoughts on the matter: 1. Trying to pick scum. There is, in all reality, not very high chances of getting more than one scum, if any at all. By the time mayor will have to pick bodyguards, he will not be sure enough to reliably be able to pick scum, as there will be limited information available, and I foresee some part of the mafia team lying low for the first day/night. Also, while it would be advantageous if the mayor picked gf/roleblocker as one of his bodyguards, I almost feel it would not be to the towns advantage if he picked only one vanilla mafia. This means that mafia could kill the first bodyguard, then trade one of their team members for the powerful mayor role, as well as whatever other role the mayor may have. I'm not sure what the optimal solution here is, as picking scum allows us to get scum kills easily, but also gives mafia a lot of control over the mayor's life. RNG-ing bodyguards wouldn't be optimal either, as there would be a higher chance of hitting blues. I almost feel that mayoral candidates should threaten to recruit lurkers (not inactives going to be modkilled), as that would force them to begin posting a bit more. This could cause scum to slip up, and the mayor could go from there on who to choose, scum, lurker, vanilla townie. 2. The census is a powerful... power. I think the mayor should listen to suggestions by town on how to use the power, but the decision should not be based solely off what town says. Unless town comes to an independent majority, the final decision should rest on the mayor. What I mean by this, is that it may be very easy, with however many mafia in the game, to start some sort of bandwagon on what to census. This could give mafia a lot of control over the census, if we simply went off town votes for census use. The difference would be if confirmed townies later on started the push for certain census takes, or if a majority of town came up with the idea in parallel, not with one person leading the charge. Otherwise, I think it should be up to the mayor to do what he thinks is best for town. 3. This is a tricky part. When taking the census of mafia roles, the mayor should definitely release said information to the town, as mafia already knows their own role counts. However, I think information on blue roles should be kept confidential until some sort of town circle is established, and then only carefully released to them. If the mayor wants to release information about blues to the town, it should be something like "Yes, there are detectives", so that town can at least be assured, unlike TL Mafia XXXV, where the assumption of medics, mad hatters, and detectives made town rely on things that didn't exist. However, I'm not sure if Mayor should release if there are none of a certain role in the game, as this helps mafia as much as town. Also, once some sort of communication has been established between the mayor and others, the mayor could try to trick mafia by releasing fake census numbers, to fool roleblockers. I'm not sure how effective this is, as I've never seen a mayor played yet. In the case of a mafia mayor: 1. The mafia mayor would ideally want to pick town roles, if mafia plans on killing them. This is incredibly easy for the mayor to do, as he only need pick people not on his own team. However, the mayor could also pick teammates as bodyguards, particularly the godfather, to avoid DT checks. Then the mafia could just let the mayor be, if that were not too suspicious, for a while, to keep the power of census. 2. The mafia mayor isn't very useful for town when it comes to the census. He will have to give out some information on mafia numbers for the first few nights, though these can easily be faked. This means that the mayor can check the numbers of roles like DTs and Medics, and then release fake mafia numbers to the public. 3. The mafia mayor will release fake numbers into the thread. He can say whatever number of mafia he wants, so long as it is within the realm of possibility, as we do not know the Mafia KP formula. This also means that he can fake mafia death. Tell us there are, say 7 mafia one night, then after a lynch say there are 6. Frame a dead townie, easy, right? It also doesn't matter very much to the mafia mayor to release blue or even green numbers to the public. Mafia will already know this information, so its release can be used to appease town. A mafia mayor looks to be very bad for town, and so I believe the mayor should be kept under constant scrutiny, and should be very active in voicing his opinions on different matters, so that the public can continue to analyze him to verify his integrity. Those are my views mayoral candidates, now what are yours? Explain them to me in full, with good logic, and I may consider giving you my vote. And if you liked my views, vote for Mr. Wiggles, he's a bear. Signed, Mr. Wiggles. | ||
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What if we chose the bodyguards based on volunteers? This could protect our blues from dying, as they only have to not volunteer. I'm also sure we won't get 24 people volunteering, as most people have some self-interest or sense of self-preservation. This would be most useful if we wanted two greens to be bodyguards. Anyone who volunteers will be put under instant scrutiny, so this would discourage mafia. Also, mafia would not put more than one member into the volunteer pool, or else there would be a high chance of picking two mafia bodyguards, which isn't really good for mafia, no matter mayoral alignment. The only problem is if we get a mafia mayor, he would have two townies protecting him. This set-up would rely heavily on DTs, as they would need to check and somehow release the information about the bodyguards right away, so that we knew they were town. This would force mafia to have to waste hits on the greens, or else make it look too much like the mayor is mafia. The problem arise though, when the mafia just leave the bodyguards, who are town, to try to get us to lynch our own mayor. What do you guys think? | ||
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1<0<2 in terms of mafia bodyguards. Assuming greens for non mafia. Pros and Cons of each number: 1. Pros: -One actual meatshield Cons: -Mafia can kill Mayor on Night 2 0. Pros: -Two actual Meatshields -Mafia have to waste hits on greens -Cannot kill Mayor until Night 3, -Mininum 2 Census Cons: -No information about mafia after BG/Mayor deaths 2. Pros: -We know two mafia after mayor death Cons: -Mafia can kill Mayor at their discretion -No assured Censuses This is all assuming town mayor, which we can't really do. I guess what it all boils down to, is what's more important? Do we want to have the power of census for more nights, or do we want two assured mafia kills? I haven't played with census yet, so I'm not entirely sure about if it's a very useful ability or not. I think it is, but maybe it's not in practice. I think the best scenarios are 2 or 0 mafia BGs. 1 gives a lot of leeway to the mafia it seems, they can direct the game a lot more easily than the other two possibilities. | ||
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On January 24 2011 05:19 LunarDestiny wrote: What exact is the point of this? You want town mayor with 2 green protecting him. So should all green sign up for this or should some blues also volunteer. What is the number of volunteer you want to get? Lets assume that mayor is town because mafia mayor will wreck this plan: -If all green sign up as volunteer, then mafia will be like "LOL, lets shoot the other non volunteer." -If some blue are mixed with the volunteer, then mafia can also choose to shoot non-volunteer because they are more likely to be blue. This will also risk blue being bodyguard. This relies on everyone not being selfless and volunteering. I would expect a low number to volunteer. This gets wrecked if everyone jumps at the opportunity. A lot of the time though, people seem to be selfish and want to live, so you would only get a small amount of selection. I'm just throwing ideas out there as the mayoral candidates don't seem to be active right now. I want to get discussion going. | ||
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On January 24 2011 05:18 kitaman27 wrote: I think the best bodyguard selection method would be to select two first-time or relatively new players who might not be the most active. This would force the mafia to choose between picking off the experienced players or the bodyguards that they would normally live to late game in a normal setup. This seems like a viable option as well, so long as we are careful to pick players who won't get modkilled. My last game, mafia just picked off experienced and active players and let the town tear itself apart. This could help prevent that for a few nights. | ||
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Well it wouldn't be mayor's option, as it would all happen publicly in the thread. | ||
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On January 24 2011 07:48 Divinek wrote: Trading damn near anything is worth it for a scum player in this game imo. I think the first census to check the number of scum in the game makes the most sense that way we wont spend countless pages trying to figure out what the number of NKs do or do not mean. I don't think it'd be as beneficial to keep checking their numbers every night with it. It may be more useful to figure out the amount of blues we have to discern better plans of action, but I'm not entirely sure yet. Also just popping into to say I'm alive hii The only thing about blues is it might be nicer to keep the information restricted to the mayor and maybe others if a town circle forms. It almost seems like it would help scum more than town to know the number of blues still alive. If I'm wrong, could someone tell me how knowing blue numbers helps town? It would also be good to check mafia a couple of times, because if the number changes and their kp changes at the same time, then we'll be able to figure out their KP formula and won't need to census them anymore as we'll know the #ofmafia +/- 1. | ||
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On January 24 2011 10:07 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Meh, this is how the mayor role usually is. It's not so bad for us. A mafia with "two godfathers" can get really cocky and make huge mistakes. Without PMs it's hard to take advantage of that as much. I think scum still gets PMs. That was my understanding from my earlier questions. Mods, can scum send PMs to each other? Thanks. | ||
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On January 24 2011 10:25 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Yes of course they can. I don't see how that is relevant to what I'm saying. If they can't PM townies then it's much harder to use the godfather role to full effect. Oh, my bad for the misunderstanding. | ||
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BrownBear really really like cookies. And kitty cats. Even weaker of a connection, but in the same vein. | ||
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On January 24 2011 11:42 ilovejonn wrote: Also, his profile picture is a guy dressed in a black suit. Hole in head perhaps those ear piercings? But that may be stretching it. The hole in head was Qatol, supposedly shot by Foolishness. Qatol was the "original" assassin.Don't know if it's still a clue or not, but it is in reference to Qatol, not the new killer. | ||
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On January 24 2011 11:33 LunarDestiny wrote: Not strong, but post anyway. OriginalName What do Tigers Dream of when they take their little tiger snooze? Do they dream of mauling Zebras or Halle Berry in a Catwomen suit? Well don't you worry your little tiger head we'll get you back to tyson and your cozy tiger bed! And then we'll find our best friend Doug and then we will give him a best friend hug. Doug Doug douggie Doug Doug and if he gets caught by some Crystel Meth Tweakers Then were Shit Outta Luck totally written on an iPhone cause I'm a boss. Also, to add on to Catwoman/Cat connection. Normally Catwoman is portrayed as wearing a black catsuit, so this fits in with the theme of black and the phrase black cat. | ||
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On January 24 2011 12:30 LunarDestiny wrote: Do we have a lynch on day 1? I believe we do. | ||
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Really? So it is completely mayor's choice of lynch Day 1? This changes a lot. It makes it even more important that the mayor isn't scum, so they don't get an extra KP on top of the power of census. It also means we need to pick someone town can trust. | ||
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So I'd also like to hear from mayoral candidates: How are you going to decide the Day 1 lynch? | ||
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On January 24 2011 12:46 zerroth wrote: i was trying to find connections about that line about creating a new colony/world and becoming heroes. There isnt really anything thats popped out for me in players profiles. SiNiquity has a video for the game Starsiege. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/profile.php?user=SiNiquity From the video, it somewhat fits the theme of starting new, and becoming heroes, watch it. Originalname is starting to fit more and more though. | ||
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On January 24 2011 14:11 LSB wrote: Read the thread guys comeon... ? | ||
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On January 24 2011 14:46 Mr.Zergling wrote: Still no other mayor candidates? Volunteering? :p | ||
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On January 24 2011 09:36 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Also I'll run for mayor. Reasons you should vote for me: 1. I am a big mafia target and bodyguard protection will help me survive into the later stages of the game. 2. I do fairly well at organizing town discussion and making sure we don't get sidetracked. 3. I'm not the best scumhunter, but I'm getting better. I am pretty good at determining who is trustworthy so I think I'll make good decisions as far as bodyguards. 4. I'm great at clue analysis. | ||
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On January 25 2011 06:56 darmousseh wrote: What if LSB was scrum? Wouldn't that make him a vigilante or a serial killer? Mafia killed off their weakest, most suspicious, player so Zerroth can role-claim vig and start a mafia-run town circle. Obviously. Unparalleled scum-hunting skills right here. | ||
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On January 25 2011 07:15 LunarDestiny wrote: NO ONE HERE IS SPAINISH??? CHINESE DUDE HAD TO USE GOOGLE TO FIND OUT WHAT "mi dio" is. Those who are spanish, I think you are mafia for not pointing out what "mi dio" is. "mi dio" = my god mi = my dio = god ilovejonn source: http://mymemory.translated.net/s.php?q=mi dio&sl=it-IT&tl=en-GB&sj=all Your translation is actually from Italian. When I translated from Spanish it gave me "I gave". I couldn't find any connection to "I gave", and assumed it must mean my God before translating. But is that a clue, or just an Italian expression of surprise from the soon to be killed character of Foolishness? | ||
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On January 25 2011 08:55 BrownBear wrote: Who is aidinai? More importantly, why has he managed to completely derail town with one useless post? Let's focus more on the mayoral debate. For one, I wonder why RoL voted Kav without giving reason. Maybe he's just not voting for himself, either because he doesn't think he can, or because he is being polite. Or maybe he's decided he doesn't want the mayoral position that much after all. If so, why? He never seemed to be that enthusiastic about pursuing the position besides his one long post on the matter. I'm actually curious about the change of heart too, as he sounded like he was going to really push for the mayorship now, and he had Dr.H throw his support behind him. Is he not running anymore, has he conceded? Or is it simply a matter or politeness? | ||
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On January 25 2011 10:37 BrownBear wrote: I would think RoL would have posted saying "NVM guys, my bad, don't want to be mayor after all..." Perhaps he's feeling apathetic about this game as well? If so, why is he still playing? Apathy shouldn't be tolerated. I'll switch over to Kav in a second. Let's not just all agree on killing ON right now though. More discussion/analysis = better chance of killing someone. Also, ON isn't really doing a good job of defending himself if he actually is scum. Typically scum are more active in their defense, and will usually try to deflect suspicion onto someone else, or highlight someone else's scummy behavior. Basically, draw suspicion away from them, not act like the suspicion is no big deal. That speaks apathetic townie to me, not scum. Well ON did try to poke at a few other people using weak clue correlation towards them. Also, could the bolded black be referring to the Serial Killer? Then he wouldn't have his team to rely on, and would have to act independently. This sounds like it could seem daunting and make him act timidly. I do agree that we need some more analysis and discussion though, before we tunnel-vision, especially as we have some time before mayor/lynch, and there are no role reveals. It would also be interesting to hear from ON, though it must be hard to defend oneself from clues, as all you can really do is point out holes in the clue logic. | ||
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On January 25 2011 11:17 BrownBear wrote: Honestly, if we become convinced he's SK, we should just make him a bodyguard, and lynch him at our leisure. Except the SK doesn't protect the mayor. Also, I believe any special roles get to keep their powers if they are recruited. This would basically give the SK free reign to kill whoever he wanted for a few nights and screw up town, especially if he knew we knew who he was and were going to lynch him. Bodyguards, if recruited from Blues, SK, or Special Reds, still get to keep their powers, correct? | ||
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So mayor should be getting mafia numbers tonight, awesome. | ||
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On January 26 2011 11:33 kitaman27 wrote: Once we have the mafia number, we also have the SK number unless there is a vig hit. Why would checking if the lynched was a SK be more helpful than checking if he was scum? We can also tell if mafia number comes back the same, but KP is reduced by 1, unless it's mafia stacking hits or something though. We'll know the next night if it stays the same or raises. Can SK abstain from a kill? | ||
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On January 26 2011 11:43 bumatlarge wrote: Almost true, but we are assuming that #ofM/2 is the formula, which may or may not be the case. If we all feel safe assuming that, then you're right Yes, but does it matter if we know how many SK there are right away, or just that we killed them? The SK number almost helps mafia as much as town, because if they know they are all dead they don't have to worry about wasting hits. | ||
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On January 26 2011 12:56 LSB wrote: Stop asking questions! No, No, and No (starting from the last blue text) Thank you for your quick response times. You host mafia games, we have fun, good job!  | ||
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On January 26 2011 13:28 LunarDestiny wrote: On number of mafia: I am very certain that mafia starts out with 5 or 6 players. That is based on the other 5? games I played with similar amount of players. If the checks return 4, then OriginalName is likely a scum. The SK might affect this, so don't count on it. If checks return 5, then we don't know much about the lynch. If checks return 6, then we are almost certain that OriginalName is a mislynch. Or OriginalName was a SK, though possibility of town remains (for 6). The thing is, Kav isn't confirmed, so we still need to take census results with a grain of salt (As they may be forged). I feel Kav has been acting pretty town so far, but I just don't want everyone to blindly believe census results and base all decisions off those alone. | ||
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On January 27 2011 09:24 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: When a man and a woman love each other very much... And then the stork gets involved, and the man doesn't know about it. And then he comes home one day, and finds out his wife is pregnant. But he never learns about the stork, never about the stork... | ||
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On January 27 2011 11:06 LunarDestiny wrote: Kav, how many mafia there are? Interested to know too. SK can't decline to kill too, I think LSB answered, unless they are being replaced for not sending in the kill. =/ So what were mafia doing? They must have hit SK(s) or vets or something. Hit claims? | ||
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On January 27 2011 11:08 Beneather wrote: ^ was about to ask that question? Or Did the Mafia and SK visit the same person. Do people know if they were visited? I think people know if they were hit. People are also notified if they were medic protected, so that might have soaked up some hits. I don't know if medic protection claiming is good or not though, helps mafia narrow down SK(s). | ||
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Also, just thought of this, what happens if there were two SKs, and they somehow both made it to the end? Would it be a tie cause they can't NK eachother? Or would it be who votes for lynch first? :p | ||
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On January 27 2011 11:13 Kavdragon wrote: Rest in peace brother Meapak_Ziph. See you in another life. In other news, I've been informed that there are 5 mafia. Ok, (if being truthful) so with 5 mafia, their KP should be around 3, maybe 4 (Doubt it). That would mean: A: 3 KP, 1 hit something that didn't die, no SKs left B: 3KP, 2 hit something that was allergic to bullets, or they hit-stacked (on night 1?), 1 SK I don't think it would be the case that they hit all 3 on something that wouldn't die and there are 2 SKs. This relies on mayor telling the truth too. | ||
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On January 27 2011 11:16 Beneather wrote: Wait so you were hit? I'm confused. The chances of that ever happening are very slim but I think that they both win? Since both are SK and they cant kill eachother. I wasn't hit. I was editing that people are notified if they are hit and live, because otherwise they just show up dead in the day post. :p | ||
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So what do people think we should do with the lurkers? How should we treat them? It looks like we actually have about 13 people with only around 10 posts, give or take 4. That's about half the player list. I think we can safely assume that there's going to be at least a couple mafia hiding in there, with only a few posts. I'd like to hear what the rest of town thinks we should do. We may not have a ton of time before tomorrow's lynch to do much about it without distracting from the actual lynch, but I think it may be worth it to potentially do a little pressure voting on lurkers (later), or else just call them out on it (like what just happened to Coag while I was writing this). By lurker, I mean someone who is just reading and not contributing, or just writing posts that say: "Yeah, I agree", or "Good analysis d00d", or other spam. It'd be nice to see more people get active, or at least provide their own opinions, fleshed out somewhat, or their original analysis. For example, a few people, Mr. Zergling, Divinek, Amber[Light], d3, where are you? None of you have really posted since the election or directly after night 1 ended, what's up? | ||
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On January 28 2011 14:28 Kavdragon wrote: This is a blue claim. Townies should never just sit back till there's more to analyze. If every townie did this, they would never get anywhere. If you are a vanilla townie, your play is unacceptable. If you are a blue player, you've made yourself more obvious by drawing attention to this than anyone else has by calling you out. However, I'm inclined to believe that you are NOT a blue player. Last game that you played a blue role in was Salem, if my research is correct. You were an active medic in that game, that told people what to do. This seems contradictory to what you are doing now, and makes little sense. Yes, people can change their play styles, but history has show it's usefulness before. Also, he could be a green wanting to draw attention to himself and absorb a hit. Bolding that definitely starts a whole bunch of WIFOM for both town and mafia. | ||
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On January 29 2011 07:25 BrownBear wrote: If by funny you mean terrible and frustrating, then yeah. Right now I'm still undecided on Nemesis, and yes, I know my vote is on him. However, because I think RoL is town, I'm giving Coag a day to shape up, and bum's been very active/posting analysis, I'm sticking with Nem for now. Currently RoL is the vote leader, which is not something I'm cool with. Are we really lynching him? I'd like to hear reasons why, there hasn't been a real unified case against him. I'd like to hear what you think of Mr. Zergling. So far, not many people have mentioned him at all while it seems he is a potential lynch candidate, or discussed the analysis on him, even though he has a couple votes on him. | ||
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On January 29 2011 07:36 BrownBear wrote: Because I'm giving Coag a chance, I have already posted my reasoning behind not voting RoL, and I haven't really taken a look at Mr. Zergling yet. Honestly, I'm wondering why I haven't seen anything about him, yet there's votes on him. Secret bandwagon? I'll try to throw up some analysis on Mr. Z, but I am heading to a rehearsal now, so I can't guarantee I'll get a full analysis done before the end of the day. I'll do my best, though. On January 29 2011 02:01 deconduo wrote: Mr. Zergling: + Show Spoiler + On January 21 2011 11:25 Mr.Zergling wrote: By waiting till the game starts lol, I think it will all be explained then On January 22 2011 01:05 Mr.Zergling wrote: woot On January 23 2011 14:54 Mr.Zergling wrote: /confirm Im waiting on my mayor vote till there is more than one candidate lol On January 24 2011 14:46 Mr.Zergling wrote: Still no other mayor candidates? On January 26 2011 12:41 Mr.Zergling wrote: Well, that was certainly a kick off... Really weird not having flipping, I forgot there wasn't and came on just to see if we got a red xD That is every single one of his posts this game. Now, obviously I haven't been very active myself, but it is tough to come into a game 25 pages in. However, I'm pretty sure I've contributed a bit more than he has, and I will be posting more that I have caught up somewhat. In addition you have this as I said earlier: + Show Spoiler + Clue: Cue the clash of lightning. Play the roar of thunder. And make sure there is a shower of rain. It was just a movie scene, just something from a scary film. A bad dream. This couldn’t be happening. I should explain. Mr.Zergling's Profile: Favorite Movie scene: Cue, play, movie scene There's no earthly way of knowing Which direction we are going. There's no knowing where we're rowing Or which way the river's flowing. Is it raining? Is it snowing? Is a hurricane a blowing? Thunder, lightning, rain Not a speck of light is showing so the danger must be growing. Are the fires of hell a glowing? Is the grisly reaper mowing? Yes! The danger must be growing Scary Film/Bad Dream For the rowers keep on rowing. And they're certainly not showing any signs that they are slowing! Not only that, but this had been pointed out twice before: + Show Spoiler + On January 24 2011 12:53 Kavdragon wrote: A couple of things... The song lyrics are from a song called "Retrace" by anberlin http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anberlin This would fit with the "I'm writting in reverse" theme that was in the night post. From Mr Zerglings's profile + Show Spoiler + Favorite Movie scene: There's no earthly way of knowing Which direction we are going. There's no knowing where we're rowing Or which way the river's flowing. Is it raining? Is it snowing? Is a hurricane a blowing? Not a speck of light is showing so the danger must be growing. Are the fires of hell a glowing? Is the grisly reaper mowing? Yes! The danger must be growing For the rowers keep on rowing. And they're certainly not showing any signs that they are slowing! Nothing huge, but something worth pointing out. + Show Spoiler + On January 26 2011 13:50 bumatlarge wrote: Mr. Zergling + Show Spoiler + Favorite Movie scene: There's no earthly way of knowing Which direction we are going. There's no knowing where we're rowing Or which way the river's flowing. Is it raining? Is it snowing? Is a hurricane a blowing? Not a speck of light is showing so the danger must be growing. Are the fires of hell a glowing? Is the grisly reaper mowing? Yes! The danger must be growing For the rowers keep on rowing. And they're certainly not showing any signs that they are slowing! Kavdragon pointed this out. From a movie, obviously, but it's about a rowboat (life is but a dream )in some form a of precipitation. Closest I could find relating to a movie. Also he has the poem "The Raven" which is probably a long shot, but "just something from a scary film. A bad dream. This couldn’t be happening. I should explain." could be something.A lot of people have videos, but none of them are too relevant. After Original Name, this seems fairly strong, and I looked hard, but couldn't find much on this part for anyone else. I don't think Kav really likes me now lol. Here. I gave an idea to determine mayor randomly off the top of my head. You are really gonna drill me for anRNG plan to demonstrate how a mayor would be picked? I knew I would have to extend the time if it was to hold any water, so if you legitimately think I was trying to sway it away from you in that time, I don't know what to say. Hope you are gonna post more then this if you do an analysis. I wasn't there early enough to give my opinion that 2 candidates weren't enough to mean anything, but I stand by that. And yet, he has not responded to it, In fact, both those posts went completely ignored. I find this curious. All the discussion is between the RoL and Nemesis clues, (which are pretty damning as well I admit) but this has been passed by. If he is scum, his buddies are purposely trying to divert attention onto RoL/Nemesis and trying to not draw attention to the clues against him. In summary -Lurker -Significant clue points towards him -Hasn't responded to the clues -Clues have gone ignored by other people as well Deconduo has made this analysis in addition to the ones he quotes. It's just people are ignoring or are ignorant of the suspicions placed on him. It just doesn't look good that no one has even replied to any of this but are naming others with similar analysis as lynch candidates. | ||
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On January 29 2011 11:03 Coagulation wrote: no one defended nemesis all day. i dont think hes mafia. The sad thing is we won't know until the game ends, what with the 6 modkills and all.  | ||
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Amber[Light] zerroth Mr.Zergling tube ilovejohn d3_crescentia Are all going to face mighty lightning (and lose)? What the hell... I hope if they are all killed it's an epic night post about how they were hanging Nemesis when the roof collapsed in on them and then the floor fell out, or something equally hilarious... Still makes me sad though. | ||
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On January 29 2011 13:00 Nemesis wrote: Something to note is that is that mr.wiggles suddenly changed his vote from abstaining to me when RoL was in danger of being lynched. Looking back at his post, he hasn't made any mentions of being suspicious of me. The only reason I can think of for his last minute change of vote is to save RoL. So if RoL flips scum, I would take a good look at this guy. His post are mostly fluff and he doesn't really take a position on anything. I suggest Mr. Wiggles for dt check/vigi hit. I wasn't abstaining. I voted myself as a placeholder, as I wasn't sure if I was going to be home today after school or not. I made my intentions clear that I was going to change my vote before the lynch, but wasn't going to change it two minutes before the deadline when I got to my comp after dinner, 11:00KST, as I thought it was. Then people continued voting, and I figured that the voting deadline was extended. The choice for me was between you and Mr. Zergling, and it seemed Mr. Zergling was going to be modkilled, as he was. So my vote landed on you. To be honest, I wasn't getting scum vibes from RoL, and I know he's capable of good scum-hunting from my other game with him. You, however, I am unfamiliar with, and your posts in defense of yourself did not do much to convince me of your innocence. As such, I considered you to be the better candidate for my vote tonight. Sorry if the timing of it was after some other votes switched around, but that was my intention since the original deadline I thought I barely had time for, or else it would have happened 30 minutes earlier. | ||
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On January 30 2011 03:45 Kavdragon wrote: Can someone explain to me why having the Vig claim before, or after is useful? Why does he need to claim at all? I feel he shouldn't claim. There aren't PMs in this game besides mason circle, so it's not like he could start a town circle or something. It doesn't make much sense to claim, besides to say, "Hey, look at me, I'm town!", and use up medic protection or get shot the next night. | ||
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On January 30 2011 11:19 zerroth wrote: I was guessing he suspected me because i was a bit inactive before as well as i had voted him previously. Kk so I'm guessing that the mafia did not kill anyone this night but the sk did? It might be the other way around, because it refers to the other person as an individual, so I would assume that would be SK. | ||
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On January 30 2011 12:20 Nemesis wrote: I think that he was most likely green, but we can probably find out by waiting and seeing if anyone claims they have been hit. Yesterday, 2 people claimed to have been hit: Mr. WIggles and Siniquity, and there were 2 deaths, so from what it seems 1 person(probably SK) didn't submit his night action tonight, so there should be 3 hits tonight. Where did I claim being hit? | ||
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On January 31 2011 03:13 BrownBear wrote: People also seem to have missed this, but I was roleblocked last night. This means mafia definitely sent something in, at least. What seems more likely to me is this scenario: NIGHT 1: Mafia starts out with a KP of 2. SK has a KP of 1. 3 hits are sent in, 1 is blocked. NIGHT 2: SK was lynched, part of the mass modkill, or didn't send in his hit. Mafia sends in 2 hits, 1 is blocked. This means somebody still has to post saying "yo I took a hit last night" Does this make sense, or am I thinking about it wrong? There's still a possibility, though unlikely, that mafia has 3 kp. 2 seems more likely though. I think it was an SK who didn't send in his hit. The other man didn’t do anything. And because the mods frown on not submitting your night action, we’re giving you clues on him even though he didn’t kill anyone. He is referred to as man, singular, then it is "your" night action, clues on "him", and "he" didn't kill anyone. These all refer to one person. The only single killers are vig and SK, and vig doesn't have to hit night two, so it must be SK, who is still alive, and who has clues hidden in the day post. This also tells us that there both clues referring to one of the mafia and the SK. We also have to keep in mind the possibility that mafia hit the SK as well, for your part dealing with night 2. If that's the case, I doubt SK will claim he was hit, as medics would know they didn't protect him, it draws attention to himself, and makes the DT likely to check his alignment. So, if we do get a claim, it means either: A. Mafia has 2 kp B. Mafia has 3 kp and hit SK, (or two town if another claim comes forward) | ||
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On January 31 2011 03:28 CubEdIn wrote: That is, of course, if there were 2 SKs, since it's pretty clear that someone did not send in actions. However, actions can also be mason/vig/protect/dt/etc. Yes, but those roles aren't compelled to kill anyone, and don't have clues left behind them, implying SK, see what I wrote two posts back. | ||
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On January 31 2011 03:51 CubEdIn wrote: Yes, but only Mafia can role-block people, and BrownBear claimed he got RBed. Which means that the mafia DID send in their night hits. It's unlikely that they didn't. I mean, you'd have to have all 5 people offline, otherwise mods would've PMed them or something. And why would BrownBear claim RB? a) he is mafia and trying to confuse the town by putting himself on the radar b) he actually got RBed, which means mafia did send in their actions. You are right about the clues part, but I dunno, maybe Node/LSB decided to put clues about SK BECAUSE he didn't send in night kill. Or maybe they are joking? ? I'm not referring to the SK when I said roles. I believe mafia sent in their kills, but SK didn't. I'm saying the "you didn't send in actions to kill, we're giving clues about you" cannot possibly refer to the DT, Mason, Medic, etc. Also, vig does not have to hit on night 2, he can wait all game if he wants to. You implied that it might be in reference to them, when it doesn't fit the giving out clues, and having to kill someone. I meant earlier, that it implied SK was the inactive one, not the mafia, sorry for the confusion. | ||
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On January 31 2011 08:54 deconduo wrote: So there is exactly one SK and he is alive?  Mod-slip?  | ||
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Are those black shapes in the alcove bats? Is that shadow in the corner a black cat? The noises inside are a mystery. The scampering in the bush, a deer? That blood-curdling scream, nothing an animal could make. The second meat was really fatty and greasy, so the meat kind of breaks up in your mouth (Dog meat) A beast hunched over him, an alien form that I had never seen before. There may be dogs about Now going through profiles, here is everyone who have mention of a beast/animal: Papapanda -panda in name, very weak Coagulation- monkeys, very, very weak Jackal58- Name association, jackal's are similar to dogs, but I find name associations weak Mr. Wiggles- Calls himself a bear (A manly awesome one too) BrownBear- Also a bear :p (Name) Beneather- MasterChief Also, now that I've written this, it seems pretty bad for the dog clues. Deconduo/Pandain died, and if I recall correctly they were the other dog profile. This makes beneather seem more likely as scum if dog really is a clue. This would also mean he is GF, if bumatlarge is telling the truth. Proposition: If Beneather is mafia, we can keep him to kill whenever (Tonight, tomorrow, the next day, etx.), at our leisure. Mafia knows that we've zeroed in on him, so they're going to keep selecting him as one of their hitmen, and we'll keep seeing clues about dogs or master chief, among the others. Forever. | ||
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One thing that did pop out at me though, and I don't think it's been mentioned, are two possible clues referring to LunarDestiny, and both in the "serial killer" part of the post. And then another persons enters the clearing. He is careful, disturbing nothing, as quiet as the trees surrounding him. A coward, he hid in the shadows witnessing it all, doing nothing. He gazes down at the body of Meapak, the drying blood staining his feet. He shudders, and continues on. Really fills my mind I followed TheAldo. And as I ran my knife across his throat, no one was there to help him. How fitting. I immediately headed back to the camp in order to find help. I grabbed the first person I saw, Deconduo and asked him to help me remove ilovejohn’s body. Deconduo didn’t help me. As soon as he realized that I wanted him to go inside, he fled. He didn’t get two steps before I killed him. Serves him right. Now, from LD's profile: "Crazy. Karma is a b****. Gets you every time. It's not good to wish bad on anybody. God sees everything!" The part that interests me is "Karma is a b****. Gets you every time.". If you look up at the day 2 post quote, theAldo is watching as Meapak is killed, hiding in the shadows. Then the new killer comes out and slits his throat. But what really gets me, is that it says "no one was there to help him. How fitting.". Aldo sat and watched, doing nothing as Meapak was killed, and now he is murdered in turn, and there is no one to help him. What makes it stand out as a clue though is the "how fitting" tacked onto the end. Now, if you look at the day 4 post quote, the killer asks for help. Deconduo was open to helping until he realized he had to enter the poop-your-pants-it's-so-scary-cave. Then he tried to run and was struck down by the killer. And once again, something is added, this time a "Serves him right.". These both fit in with the quote about Karma and getting your just desserts. TheAldo didn't help Meapak, instead letting him die alone, and was then "fittingly" killed alone with no one to help him. Then, Deconduo wouldn't help move the body, he wouldn't do a favor, and so he gets killed too, but I guess Karma's a b****, what can you do? :p These two clues fit LD very closely. I'm going to see if I can find anything else in the day 3 post, or potentially day 1 as well, leaving this here for now. | ||
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As for the Kav vs. Bum debate, I'm pretty convinced Kav is town, and think there might be something to his analysis. I'm probably going to look closer into Bum's posting history for myself, and watch what he says for the next while pretty closely. | ||
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On February 04 2011 10:14 Jackal58 wrote: I'm not being idiotic cat man do continue. I'm sorry, but catman made me laugh. :p If you think he's scummy, you should do an analysis, one strenuous clue isn't that great, especially when you have a stronger one on yourself. | ||
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On February 04 2011 11:55 Divinek wrote: why in the name of all that is holy is there a god damn novel on the page Ignorance of spoilers and quoting every post including analysis quoting many posts. | ||
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Also, bum just confirmed he was mafia, that's kind've a slip in a no-flip game even though we were 99% sure he was mafia. :p | ||
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On February 05 2011 13:37 Jackal58 wrote: LD was the inactive. His post regarding that was 2 or 3 pages back. Ok, thanks. | ||
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On February 09 2011 02:35 CubEdIn wrote: I've been going on people's profiles but I can't find a connection to the IV so it might be in vain. I'm sorry, but if this pun wasn't intentional, it's pretty hilarious! Just felt the need to point that out. :p | ||
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When it gets down to two people day, is it still first to most votes dies? Because with an odd number, even if there's one mafia and we don't kill him, in four days it will be two town, one mafia, and town will have to pick right, or else it's lynch for one townie, and getting shot for the other. | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + Yes, he's been looking pretty town now that he's started posting. What are your thoughts on the lynch? Original Message From RebirthOfLeGenD: BrownBear is also extremely likely to be green imo. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=184939¤tpage=48#944 Hide nested quote - Original Message From Mr. Wiggles: Cool. I'm going to bed right away, but I'll be back tomorrow. I wasn't really sure who to pick, as I haven't played with a mason set-up before. I wanted to pick someone I was getting town vibes from, and you don't seem too scummy to me right now, but I'm still going to take anything you say with a grain of salt. I also wanted to pick a semi-experienced player who I somewhat knew. You played in the last TL mafia, and picked out a fair number of mafia before you were killed. My third criteria was someone who was somewhat active too, and you've at least been posting in the thread. My choices after elimination of a bunch of other people were Meapack and you, and then I decided on you. Lucky too, considering what happened to Meapack. So that's the short version of why I picked you. I didn't want to pick mayor right away either, so if you had won that it would have been someone else. We also have a message board, but we don't really need that until there are more masons. Original Message From RebirthOfLeGenD: lol there are two things I am very surprised about right now. That I am alive, and that I got mason'd. Sup wigglezzz? why did you choose me? Also I was roleblocked last night. Original Message From Mr. Wiggles: Heyyyyy, buddy. + Show Spoiler + Ohh, well so much for keeping that secret. Original Message From Kavdragon: Oh excellent. In that case, yeah. Don't tell anyone. And I think that the link to the board is given when you get the PM....Cause I got it.. Hide nested quote - Original Message From Mr. Wiggles: Yeah, I don't plan on telling you who I'm inviting, but it automatically should tell you who gets added to the circle after it happens. We also have a message board, but I'm not planning on giving out the link until there are more masons, as mafia can spy on it. Original Message From Kavdragon: So...If you're ok with it, i can act as the mouth piece of the masons... So if you need to get anything out, then let me know. Btw, if you're totally convinced I'm town, (and I am..But....yeah.) then let me know who you are adding to the group. But I wouldn't let anyone else know who's in the group till it's too big to kill. Otherwise, don't tell me who you're inviting. (The advantage being that I can kill anyone who was let into the circle right before you die, the disadvantage is if I'm mafia...then your screwed. But really, if I'm mafia, masons are screwed anyways...) Original Message From Mr. Wiggles: Awesome. I wonder if he'll claim being hit? Don't worry though, the other person in the circle was RoL >.> He's a little dead now though. Original Message From Kavdragon: Hey, I'd rather this not go beyond you for now. I am a Medic. I protected GMarshal both nights. (I saved him last night) + Show Spoiler + Ok, was at school until a while ago. I'll be in the irc in the hours leading up to the lynch, you can find me there. Original Message From Kavdragon: Here's what's up: The mafia's plans: (In my opinion) The Mafia hit GMrshal last night, which means that the want to get at me. It's very likely that Beneather is scum, and they just need to get at GMarshal then pull off the hit. I think that they are willing to sack Beneather for me. Deconduo (probaly also scum) called for a vig to hit me tonight. This is because they aren't sure if GMarshal is a SK or not. If he's not, then I've been unprotected this entire time. At worst they waste the vig hit. Failing that, they have started to arose suspicion about me being mafia, so that they can lynch me if the above plans don't work. My plans: (Hopefully) I'm going to announce that I'm in contact with the Masons, and that a medic in that circle has claimed the protection that was given to GMarshal. (This medic's alignment is extremely reliable as he was invited before me(kav) and were he mafia, he would have had the chance to kill all members last night) Since the we have a confirmed Mafia hit on GMarshal, he cannot be mafia. (There is still a small possibility that he's SK, but I really doubt that.) + Show Spoiler + Don't worry, all information that comes to me only goes one way. What this is means is: A. 3 medics, happy day! B. You are lying, scum mayor, better go in a corner and cry now C. BB is scum. I let scum in the circle, I fear for my life, dunno. D. Bum is a liar/scum. Then he's trying to bring down LD for some reason, putting himself out there. 3 medics could possibly make sense though, as there is no role flip, and maybe there's a mininum amount of vets. With the low kp though, it does seem unlikely. Original Message From Kavdragon: Hey, in case he hasn't told you, BrownBear claims Medic. Hide nested quote - I am the other medic (assuming only 2 in this setup). My night actions so far: Night 1: Protected GMarshal, he didn't die. Night 2: Protected Barundar, got roleblocked, didn't matter (this was a gut feeling more than anything, I think he might be blue) Night 3: Decided bodyguards were more important, protected GMarshal again. Tonight: Going to protect bum for sure. The longer he lives, the better shot we have at succeeding. This is pretty DANG big news. Please don't tell him that I am the other medic. The chances of there being three medics are not very good, so it's likely that BB or Bum are lying, possibly both. Hopefully we can catch one of them. But yeah. Please don't let him know that I'm a medic. The possibility that he's scum is too great imo. (Also, I guess this also throws me into the suspect light, but I would hope that my actions (and all masons not dying) would convince you that I am indeed telling the truth.) + Show Spoiler + K. By the way, I'm treating BB as scum, but I do think he's town. Medic is a dumb thing for mafia to claim, and his play doesn't raise any flags. I don't think that you know if you were protected, unless you get hit, but feel free to check with the hosts. Original Message From Mr. Wiggles: Well you're notified if a medic protects you I think. So I'd get a message saying the medic protected me. I'll send him a PM asking what he thinks. I won't give him any specifics on who you're protecting though, just that he should do me. Hide nested quote - Original Message From Kavdragon: Hmm. I've never played with masons before, and I don't know general strategy, but just thinking about it, I would say that they want to kill you this game. The biggest advantage they have is the ability to communicate and share information. They don't want to let the town in on that. If this were a private board that all masons could see, then yes, they would probably want to spy on it. But as it is, me and you have private conversations without brownbear knowing. That's dangerous to the Mafia. The other important thing is that you are a confirmed townie, so we can all put our information into you, without fear. That means that you hold more information than anyone else right now, and that information will become increasingly useful as the game progresses. For this reason we NEED to make sure you surive. Having brownbear protect you wouldn't confirm him as town, unless you are hit while he's protecting you. However, if he's protecting you it doesn't matter. If you die, then he's lying. There's no reason for mafia to stack hits on you, so there's no way you would die if he's actually a medic. If he's mafia then the mafia can't hit you because it would show BB for his true colors. So either way, you're protected. So, yeah. The more I think about it, the more I like BB protecting you (You are important whether you like it or not) and me protecting GMarshal. Ask BB what he thinks. Original Message From Mr. Wiggles: That could work, and would also confirm BB as town. Question though, do mafia normally want to target the mason? Or is it more of a game by game thing. I always thought they might want to keep the mason to be able to monitor people and fish for information in PM, or am I wrong? Original Message From Kavdragon: Hey, I've role claimed to him. I'm not positive that he's town, but I'll be making it public soon, so i thought I might as well fish for responses and get a conversation going. Hopefully he's town, or he slips up in PM. In either case we need to figure out what to do with our protection. Assumeing he's scum, like we should, we need to have me protect the more important of two people. I'm in favor of protecting GMarshal, and having BB protect you. I haven't had a lot of time to think about it, so I'd love to hear your opinion on this. + Show Spoiler + ounds good to me. I will send that action in unless the situation changes. Original Message From Mr. Wiggles: So me and Kav were talking earlier. What we think for the next night, is that Kav will protect his target, and we'll get you to protect me. This is for a couple reasons. Firstly, it would confirm you as town or scum. If I'm protected, we'll know it was you and that you're town. If I die, Kav will be able to tell you're scum for sure. There's no reason for mafia to stack hits on me either, so that isn't an excuse. This is also to keep the mason alive and give me another night of recruiting. What do you think? Give back your thoughts to us. + Show Spoiler + Will do. Original Message From Kavdragon: Hey, GMarshal wouldn't be a bad one to have in the circle, but I'll leave it up to you. I've asked BB to protect you, and I'll be protecting GMarshal. + Show Spoiler + Well I was getting a town vibe out of you haha. I actually had you picked before you suspected me. Original Message From Barundar: Your the mason? Bold to recruit me while I suspect you! I'm green. Having BB claim medic was actually pretty huge haha. Some PMs were just Kav running his analysis by me too, and then just miscellaneous stuff. | ||
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