TL Mafia XXXVI - Page 71

On February 01 2011 04:00 Nemesis wrote:

Ok a few things bother me about this post.
1. Completely no mention of jackal...trying to save your scumbuddy here?
2. Killing town's census over a WIFOM argument over speculations on d3's death. Ace has mentioned it before in TMM3 when aidnai mislynched in LYLO because of speculating on why mafia would fakeclaim being roleblocked, "You don't know what mafia knows" so you shouldn't speculate too much on what they might do.
3. And in his post after, I don't see how you jumped to the conclusion that I was defending beneather when I was clearly at the top of your list. The obvious conclusion would be I'm defending myself. Trying too hard to connect factions here?

On February 01 2011 02:53 deconduo wrote:
Its hard to ignore the connections to the mayor as well, the 2 picked bodyguards and one of the biggest campaigners for him.

My thoughts are to lynch Nemesis today and for vig (if we have one) to target kav tonight. If he dies it confirms Beneather and GMarshal as scum.

On February 01 2011 04:22 LunarDestiny wrote:

I am very certain that dog meat is a clue pointing to a killer. I recall only you and Beneather have dog related profile. I am super reluctant to lynch a bodyguard.

Also, scum bodyguard protects scum mayor.

On February 01 2011 04:29 Kavdragon wrote:


Out of curiosity, is this an FoS?
Having a vig hit me is a bad idea. I am 97% positive that I am protected. It's an interesting push though, something that may be very telling of you, Decon:

There is a possibility that I don't think has been mentioned in regards to the kills last night:

Mafia hitting D3 makes little sense. Ergo, Mafia didn't hit D3.
Town asked for a Vig to hit D3, and D3 was hit. Ergo, a Vig hit D3.
Mafia hit GMarshal. GMarshal's biggest contribution to the game recently has been protecting me. Ergo, Mafia are trying to kill me.
Mafia have two hits, so it's possible that they hit an SK. However, hits happen in order. This means that the Mafia could hit GMarshal, then hit me, in one night. I could have been the second target.

Now, let's look at what the mafia would do in that case:
Gmarshal didn't die, and didn't claim Vet. Thus he's either medic protected, or he's SK. He was gone during the time that the SK didn't put in a hit, so that make them think that he very well might be SK.
If Gmarshal is SK, Beneather is Mafia, then I'm unprotected. But rather than waste a hit on the Mayor (again) why not call for a vig to hit the mayor? At worst, the vig looses his hit, and at best they take out the mayor.

Deconduo, what have you to say for your idea?
+ Show Spoiler +

On February 01 2011 04:32 GMarshal wrote:
"My thoughts are to lynch Nemesis today and for vig (if we have one) to target kav tonight. If he dies it confirms Beneather and GMarshal as scum."

My only issue with this is that if Beneather is mafia then its possible for mafia to stack hits on me and make sure I die, and then they get a free mayor kill, I'm actually up for anything that confirms me as a townie, but I dont know if its worth giving the mafia a chance to deprive us of the census.

On February 01 2011 03:51 deconduo wrote:


I am not going to let you bait me into an argument over WIFOM as I'm sure you would like to divert attention from important matters once again. I will however clarify my logic:

-I feel that the clues point quite clearly towards beneather being the scum that killed d3. It is also much more likely that it was a mafia kill rather than an SK kill.

-As d3 had already pointed out suspicions towards beneather, amongst others, this would be a good motive for the kill. OBVIOUSLY only the killer (or his team) knows the exact reasoning behind making a kill, however it does no harm to speculate especially on an unexpected kill.

-I know that all the times I've been mafia, I've always tried to kill people who get too close to working out who we are. You can see I was thinking about this early when I looked over at who had been killed so far. This was before I suspected Beneather at all.


Finally, lets take a look at the people who lynched RoL and saved Nemesis on day 2:

bumatlarge
LunarDestiny
Nemesis
darmousseh
Beneather
kitaman27
Eti307
kavdragon (switched)

Notice any similarities?

On February 01 2011 04:29 deconduo wrote:


How nice of you to join us. Why did you completely ignore the dog in beneather's profile when you voted for me? Not to mention the fact that there are a shitton more clues pointing to beneather.

On February 01 2011 04:37 deconduo wrote:


Not a FOS, just something to keep around, but honestly I don't think much of it yet. Kita has been somewhat outspoken against nemesis so it is unlikely they are both mafia and I like Nemesis as scum a lot more than kita. Also I think GMarshal is probably SK or telling the truth about being protected.

I must have missed the part where town asked vig to hit d3. Even if thats the case it would mean beneather is vig and there your logic fails.

On February 01 2011 04:49 Kavdragon wrote:


Uh...What? How does that mean that Vig is Beneather? Also, I asked for the vig to hit him. LINK

On February 01 2011 04:30 Kavdragon wrote:
Also, I only implied this in that post, but I think that the mafia are busing Beneather so they can kill me.

On February 01 2011 04:44 LunarDestiny wrote:

Again, how sure are you that Beneather is mafia? He got masked man, dog meat, and master chef as the clue. Of the three, I strongly believe that dog meat is the most powerful clue follow by masked man, master chef is iffy.

We missed both day 1 and day 2 lynch. I am not going to risk a potential bodyguard.

On February 01 2011 04:53 Barundar wrote:

And I think you are being paranoid. I have been suspecious of Beneather since his first real post, and now there is even clues to back it up. It seems like there is too strong of a resistance to push for a lynch now though, so I will try tomorrow instead. But if you are town, don't just discard him beceause you picked him as BG.

For today's targets:

Jackal: I still want you to answer my questions regarding the vet discussion.

Deconduo: Ballsy plan suggestions are big plusses in my book. The plan was kinda scummy though, would make it easy to pick off mayor.

Nemesis: I never thought he was scum, but at this point we will be strugling killing anyone else, any day, beceause of the suspecions against him. Hence we can kill him off.

On February 01 2011 04:52 LunarDestiny wrote:
Back to discussing today's lynch which ends in about 6 hours. It's not like I will be able to convince people to lynch 1 of the 2 dog profile players.

If I have to choose between Nemesis and Jackal, I would prefer Nemesis since keywords from his profile are all over the place. His bare escape from Day2 lynch is somewhat alarming since RoL won by only 1 vote.

On February 01 2011 04:54 deconduo wrote:


You already agreed that the dog clue is pretty concrete and that it could only point to me or beneather. Beneather was already a top suspect before dog meat was worked out, and yet somehow you don't agree that this puts the nail in his coffin?

On February 01 2011 04:58 deconduo wrote:


Yeah I came to this conclusion too which is why I am voting Nemesis and not beneather.

I want to ask you this again though, why did you go straight for me and not even mention beneather when you worked out the dog meat clue?

On February 01 2011 04:51 deconduo wrote:


Clues show beneather killed d3. If vig killed d3 -> beneather is vig.