EPTTL Mafia XXXVI - Page 70
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Impervious
Canada4217 Posts
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Impervious
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darmousseh
United States3437 Posts
On February 01 2011 02:31 deconduo wrote: The clue about dog meat is good, but you have the wrong person. Theres someone else with a dog in their profile: Beneather + Show Spoiler + He looked up and saw a masked man with a blood-spattered black apron tied around his waist. The man masterfully handled his instruments, hands moving at a blur, flashes of steel rising and falling, leaving perfectly sized morsels behind. He lifted a finger to his mouth and sucked. We had a new two new kinds of meat tonight. The flesh tastes like pork, a little bit more bitter, stronger. It tastes quite good. Human meat The second meat was really fatty and greasy, so the meat kind of breaks up in your mouth Dog meat And then we realized that this wasn't any ordinary meat. We never found the chef afterwards. Nor did we find d3_crescentia. Now lets take a look: Picture: Masked man. Human meat + Dog meat. ![[image loading]](http://www.teamliquid.net/userfiles/63932.jpg?1295751181) Quote: They say practice makes perfect, and then they say nobody is perfect where is the sense in that? That is a great pickup. I feel really bad about lynching a bodyguard though. I wonder if both bodyguards are mafia!?!?!?! Kav, what's your opinion? | ||
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deconduo
Ireland4122 Posts
Looking back at d3's list of suspects: Nemesis Darmousseh Beneather kitaman27 Eti307 LunarDestiny GMarshal Of these I think Nemesis and Beneather are certain mafia. Lunar is high up on the list as well, he completely ingored beneather as a possibility for the dog meat clue and tunnelled me instead. Probably trying to divert attention from beneather. Its hard to ignore the connections to the mayor as well, the 2 picked bodyguards and one of the biggest campaigners for him. My thoughts are to lynch Nemesis today and for vig (if we have one) to target kav tonight. If he dies it confirms Beneather and GMarshal as scum. | ||
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bumatlarge
United States4567 Posts
On February 01 2011 02:53 deconduo wrote: Pretty confident he's scum, clues fit well and he had motive to kill d3. Its possible that d3 fingered a large portion of the mafia team, which would be the reason they killed him off. Theres not a whole lot of other reasons for it. Looking back at d3's list of suspects: Nemesis Darmousseh Beneather kitaman27 Eti307 LunarDestiny GMarshal Of these I think Nemesis and Beneather are certain mafia. Lunar is high up on the list as well, he completely ingored beneather as a possibility for the dog meat clue and tunnelled me instead. Probably trying to divert attention from beneather. Its hard to ignore the connections to the mayor as well, the 2 picked bodyguards and one of the biggest campaigners for him. My thoughts are to lynch Nemesis today and for vig (if we have one) to target kav tonight. If he dies it confirms Beneather and GMarshal as scum. :X Thats pretty ballsy. I think if both BGs were scum and mayor was not... wouldnt he be dead already? Well perhaps it might be better to wait for one to die... Still using a vig on the chance TWO people might be scum is a little risky. Better off lynching the more incriminated one, and seeing what he flips. | ||
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Nemesis
Canada2568 Posts
On February 01 2011 02:53 deconduo wrote: Pretty confident he's scum, clues fit well and he had motive to kill d3. Its possible that d3 fingered a large portion of the mafia team, which would be the reason they killed him off. Theres not a whole lot of other reasons for it. Looking back at d3's list of suspects: Nemesis Darmousseh Beneather kitaman27 Eti307 LunarDestiny GMarshal Of these I think Nemesis and Beneather are certain mafia. Lunar is high up on the list as well, he completely ingored beneather as a possibility for the dog meat clue and tunnelled me instead. Probably trying to divert attention from beneather. Its hard to ignore the connections to the mayor as well, the 2 picked bodyguards and one of the biggest campaigners for him. My thoughts are to lynch Nemesis today and for vig (if we have one) to target kav tonight. If he dies it confirms Beneather and GMarshal as scum. You have some nice WIFOM there as your argument. Not a whole lot of reason to take out d3 other than he pointed scum? No one was even following d3's list at the time, and I doubt they anyone would follow it with how inactive he has been. Can't think of any other reason why mafia would kill d3? How about doing what you are doing now and framing the people he suspected? | ||
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kitaman27
United States9245 Posts
On February 01 2011 03:01 bumatlarge wrote: :X Thats pretty ballsy. I think if both BGs were scum and mayor was not... wouldnt he be dead already? Well perhaps it might be better to wait for one to die... Still using a vig on the chance TWO people might be scum is a little risky. Better off lynching the more incriminated one, and seeing what he flips. We also have to consider the fact that GMarshal claims to have taken a hit last night. So for GMarshal to be scum, either a SK would have had to hit him, which is unlikely since the SK hit wasn't sent in or GMarshal is lying about being hit, which would mean a kp is still uncounted for. Alternately, a vig could shoot jackal. If he lives then his vet claim is confirmed, if he dies then he is probably lying. We could still run into a situation where jackal claims to take a hit or a scumbuddy fake claims as vig, which would present problems to this plan. | ||
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deconduo
Ireland4122 Posts
On February 01 2011 03:06 Nemesis wrote: You have some nice WIFOM there as your argument. Not a whole lot of reason to take out d3 other than he pointed scum? No one was even following d3's list at the time, and I doubt they anyone would follow it with how inactive he has been. Can't think of any other reason why mafia would kill d3? How about doing what you are doing now and framing the people he suspected? -In what way is that WIFOM? Its a pretty good idea to kill off someone who suspects your entire team. Obviously theres no proof of that being the reason he was killed, but its a good theory imo. On the other hand, your argument is WIFOM. -Nice chainsaw defense of beneather, I like how you completely ignored all the clues against him. | ||
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Nemesis
Canada2568 Posts
On February 01 2011 03:13 deconduo wrote: -In what way is that WIFOM? Its a pretty good idea to kill off someone who suspects your entire team. Obviously theres no proof of that being the reason he was killed, but its a good theory imo. On the other hand, your argument is WIFOM. -Nice chainsaw defense of beneather, I like how you completely ignored all the clues against him. I wasn't defending beneather, I was attacking your bad logic, and as I said before I don't care too much about clues. Yes, I know what I said is WIFOM, but what you said is also WIFOM, and I am pointing that out to you. I have just showed you how it is WIFOM by creating a probable scenario which contradicts your WIFOM situation. | ||
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Barundar
Denmark1582 Posts
On February 01 2011 02:53 deconduo wrote: Pretty confident he's scum, clues fit well and he had motive to kill d3. Its possible that d3 fingered a large portion of the mafia team, which would be the reason they killed him off. Theres not a whole lot of other reasons for it. Looking back at d3's list of suspects: Nemesis Darmousseh Beneather kitaman27 Eti307 LunarDestiny GMarshal Of these I think Nemesis and Beneather are certain mafia. Lunar is high up on the list as well, he completely ingored beneather as a possibility for the dog meat clue and tunnelled me instead. Probably trying to divert attention from beneather. Its hard to ignore the connections to the mayor as well, the 2 picked bodyguards and one of the biggest campaigners for him. My thoughts are to lynch Nemesis today and for vig (if we have one) to target kav tonight. If he dies it confirms Beneather and GMarshal as scum. i love the ballsy plan suggestion. But why would you want to kill off the mayor instead of using census to confirm if beneather is red? | ||
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Impervious
Canada4217 Posts
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deconduo
Ireland4122 Posts
On February 01 2011 03:21 Nemesis wrote: I wasn't defending beneather, I was attacking your bad logic, and as I said before I don't care too much about clues. Yes, I know what I said is WIFOM, but what you said is also WIFOM, and I am pointing that out to you. I have just showed you how it is WIFOM by creating a probable scenario which contradicts your WIFOM situation. I am not going to let you bait me into an argument over WIFOM as I'm sure you would like to divert attention from important matters once again. I will however clarify my logic: -I feel that the clues point quite clearly towards beneather being the scum that killed d3. It is also much more likely that it was a mafia kill rather than an SK kill. -As d3 had already pointed out suspicions towards beneather, amongst others, this would be a good motive for the kill. OBVIOUSLY only the killer (or his team) knows the exact reasoning behind making a kill, however it does no harm to speculate especially on an unexpected kill. -I know that all the times I've been mafia, I've always tried to kill people who get too close to working out who we are. You can see I was thinking about this early when I looked over at who had been killed so far. This was before I suspected Beneather at all. Finally, lets take a look at the people who lynched RoL and saved Nemesis on day 2: bumatlarge LunarDestiny Nemesis darmousseh Beneather kitaman27 Eti307 kavdragon (switched) Notice any similarities? | ||
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Nemesis
Canada2568 Posts
On February 01 2011 02:53 deconduo wrote: Pretty confident he's scum, clues fit well and he had motive to kill d3. Its possible that d3 fingered a large portion of the mafia team, which would be the reason they killed him off. Theres not a whole lot of other reasons for it. Looking back at d3's list of suspects: Nemesis Darmousseh Beneather kitaman27 Eti307 LunarDestiny GMarshal Of these I think Nemesis and Beneather are certain mafia. Lunar is high up on the list as well, he completely ingored beneather as a possibility for the dog meat clue and tunnelled me instead. Probably trying to divert attention from beneather. Its hard to ignore the connections to the mayor as well, the 2 picked bodyguards and one of the biggest campaigners for him. My thoughts are to lynch Nemesis today and for vig (if we have one) to target kav tonight. If he dies it confirms Beneather and GMarshal as scum. Ok a few things bother me about this post. 1. Completely no mention of jackal...trying to save your scumbuddy here? 2. Killing town's census over a WIFOM argument over speculations on d3's death. Ace has mentioned it before in TMM3 when aidnai mislynched in LYLO because of speculating on why mafia would fakeclaim being roleblocked, "You don't know what mafia knows" so you shouldn't speculate too much on what they might do. 3. And in his post after, I don't see how you jumped to the conclusion that I was defending beneather when I was clearly at the top of your list. The obvious conclusion would be I'm defending myself. Trying too hard to connect factions here? | ||
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Nemesis
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Kavdragon
United States1251 Posts
On January 31 2011 14:12 Impervious wrote: Make up your mind, woman..... First you think i need to post more, and then when I do, you don't like it..... Haha, yes. That's exactly how it's supposed to go: Pressure the Mafia into posting more, analyze posting, convict, then lynch. Thank you for playing the game! So far I've passed the first stage, and I'm working on the analysis. We'll see if that leads to Conviction, or Vindication. On February 01 2011 01:57 Barundar wrote: If I had to go by clue alone I would follow LD on Deconduo/pandain, or Beneather. Deconduo lurked as mafia in PYP3. In this game he has tried to contribute, even though he haven't had too many opinions on other players. Beneather has been scummy throughout thread but is a BG... What is your opinion on Beneather Kav? He's actually been on my scum list for a little while, (I think I posted my suspicions), but I've been hesitant to push for his lynch until a much better case can be made for him. I'd rather not lynch my protection until we are certain that he's not protecting me. On February 01 2011 02:49 darmousseh wrote: That is a great pickup. I feel really bad about lynching a bodyguard though. I wonder if both bodyguards are mafia!?!?!?! Kav, what's your opinion? Beneather is suspect, but why do you think GMarshal is Mafia? | ||
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bumatlarge
United States4567 Posts
On February 01 2011 03:51 deconduo wrote: I am not going to let you bait me into an argument over WIFOM as I'm sure you would like to divert attention from important matters once again. I will however clarify my logic: -I feel that the clues point quite clearly towards beneather being the scum that killed d3. It is also much more likely that it was a mafia kill rather than an SK kill. -As d3 had already pointed out suspicions towards beneather, amongst others, this would be a good motive for the kill. OBVIOUSLY only the killer (or his team) knows the exact reasoning behind making a kill, however it does no harm to speculate especially on an unexpected kill. -I know that all the times I've been mafia, I've always tried to kill people who get too close to working out who we are. You can see I was thinking about this early when I looked over at who had been killed so far. This was before I suspected Beneather at all. Finally, lets take a look at the people who lynched RoL and saved Nemesis on day 2: bumatlarge LunarDestiny Nemesis darmousseh Beneather kitaman27 Eti307 kavdragon (switched) Notice any similarities? Oh wow didn't notice that before. Are sure D3 wasn't just basing off his suspects off that list anyway minus Kav and myself? (as we seem to have been the only ones actually really going into RoL's analysis in detail) I'll give this a chance. You're suggesting nemesis for the lynch then? | ||
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deconduo
Ireland4122 Posts
I don't want to kill the mayor. I suspect him somewhat but not enough to want him dead for nothing. However if he dies during the night that gives us TWO confirmed scum. I'd be happy even going one for one, two for one is amazing. Unless a/the vig has someone better to shoot, then go for it. Worst case scenario is that the mayor doesn't die. Out of curiosity: Do scum bodyguards protect scum mayor? | ||
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deconduo
Ireland4122 Posts
On February 01 2011 04:13 bumatlarge wrote: Oh wow didn't notice that before. Are sure D3 wasn't just basing off his suspects off that list anyway minus Kav and myself? (as we seem to have been the only ones actually really going into RoL's analysis in detail) I'll give this a chance. You're suggesting nemesis for the lynch then? Oh shit, good point. On checking up, Beneather, kitaman27 and Eti307 are there because of voting for RoL. Still, the rest still stand. | ||
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BrownBear
United States6894 Posts
On February 01 2011 02:53 deconduo wrote: My thoughts are to lynch Nemesis today and for vig (if we have one) to target kav tonight. If he dies it confirms Beneather and GMarshal as scum. There's a pretty big issue with that, and that's that it's wasting a vig hit + possibly the power of census on the CHANCE that we nail 2 scum. Furthermore, if he doesn't die, we wasted a vig hit and now we don't know if one of them is scum or neither is scum, we just know that at least one of them isn't scum. Ballsy plan, but I would vote against it. | ||
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LunarDestiny
United States4177 Posts
On February 01 2011 04:16 deconduo wrote: What does Jackal have to do with anything I've been saying? I don't want to kill the mayor. I suspect him somewhat but not enough to want him dead for nothing. However if he dies during the night that gives us TWO confirmed scum. I'd be happy even going one for one, two for one is amazing. Unless a/the vig has someone better to shoot, then go for it. Worst case scenario is that the mayor doesn't die. Out of curiosity: Do scum bodyguards protect scum mayor? I am very certain that dog meat is a clue pointing to a killer. I recall only you and Beneather have dog related profile. I am super reluctant to lynch a bodyguard. Also, scum bodyguard protects scum mayor. | ||
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