TL Mafia XXXV - Page 55

On January 04 2011 00:31 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
Ok to explain my last second voting drama. I was in irc with pandain, and everyone else who is cool enough to hang out there. Barundar and I are talking and then pandain just jumps all over me with questions about orgolove and annul (at this point I think pandain was still voting orgo). I'm like ok whatever so I answer but he wont respond when I ask him questions. Pandain was trying to get me to vote orgo through pm and irc but I thought orgo was innocent based on the fact that there was never a counterbandwago. Pandain didn't like this reason and he's getting pretty aggressive and then he switches his vote to annul saying something like "I wanna control this lynch" this sounded so scummy to me so I checked the votes and saw that this put annul one vote ahead of orgo. I didn't want pandain to have hammer power over the whole lynch so I switched to seraph because at this point I didn't want to be part of that mess. However after subsequent discussion with Barundar, a desire not to be left out of the action and a conviction that Orgo was town made me switch me vote back to annul.

I don't think pandain is scummy anymore and I'm 100% sure barundar is legit so my vote is going on mango because I've always found him to be inexplicably scummy along with his vote for barundar. And mr. zergling who is probably the most obvious scum we have right now.

On January 04 2011 03:31 DarthThienAn wrote:
guys, don't waste your time on me. zzz.

On January 04 2011 02:46 Barundar wrote:
I can't help but notice that RoL suspected both Seraph and Insanious alot, and neither of you switched to annul. Care to explain?

On January 04 2011 03:39 Barundar wrote:

Believe me, I don't want to. Didn't you afk your way to get mislynched by DrH in Salem? Don't make it so hard on towns that wants to win please

On January 04 2011 06:04 ~OpZ~ wrote:
i hit rol. any claims? lol. sorry just got off work. posting from phone.

On December 27 2010 13:45 Soulfire wrote:
I had meant to contribute earlier, but I was watching some streamed games of my team's CW.

I'm a new player, so for the most part I've just been reading what everybody has said thus far and trying to come up with any reasonable conclusion, which not surprisingly has been futile. I've gone over previous games and observed common posting habits for many of the more veteran players in this game and I honestly don't notice anything alarming enough to begin to point fingers safely. I'd definitely have to agree with Pandain, Wiggles and others; focus attention on the inactives, but struggle to differentiate between those who just don't care and are probably going to be modkilled and people who are trying to lay low, especially people making pointless posts to avoid the modkill.

But I will speak for other players who are new like I am, it is difficult to post something that contributes in Day 1 - so yet another thing to differentiate: new players who are lost and can only agree with others, and mafia trying to slip under the radar and avoid modkill.

On December 27 2010 18:01 Soulfire wrote:
Yet another vote for Pandain - can you guys seriously stop that? There's no reason to be doing that, and the only thing we know about him thus far is that he's been pretty damn helpful, and past games show that he knows what he's doing. There's no reason to be piling votes on people, and new players will just be prompted to join the bandwagon.

On December 28 2010 14:22 Soulfire wrote:
Just read the last 5 pages, and like many others, paid attention to the argument between Annul and LSB. BOTH come off as scummy, but to be totally honest I think it's a safer bet to go with a lurker, for the same reasons that many have said - the more talkative a scum is, the more likely he is to make a mistake and thus be lynched. We have NOTHING to go by other than very slight hints in posting style. Our best bet easily is to lynch a lurker because they may continue lurking later on, and we won't be able to gather any hints from them that may identify them as scum. However, Annul and LSB will both continue posting frequently, thus increasing the chance that they may make mistakes and reveal themselves. If they all of a sudden STOP posting frequently, that'd be out of the character developed on day 1 and would be a pretty strong hint that they're scum.

Just my 2 cents.

On December 29 2010 08:19 Soulfire wrote:
I've been on the whole "lynch LSB" bandwagon, but after reading Pandain's logic, even though it makes HIM sound incredibly scummy as well the the information fishing, I'm gonna vote for Brocket. When I read over Pokemafia he indeed acted quite differently, and I wouldn't be surprised if he was trying to hide under the radar.

But yeah, Pandain really strikes me as a mafia trying to save LSB - but then again, is there any way to protect someone WITHOUT appearing suspicious? Atleast he presents a logical argument. If LSB does not "prove himself", LYNCH HIM ON DAY 2.

On December 29 2010 11:36 Soulfire wrote:
Gonna actually have to agree with Pandain's analysis here, I didn't think of it the way he put it: We don't have much to go on, so we might as well guarantee important information with a lynch of LSB.

##Unvote
##Vote LSB

On December 31 2010 18:04 Soulfire wrote:


This "analysis" really strikes me as an attempt to shift the focus off of yourself - pretty much every single one of your points is incredibly flawed and forced, and i'll explain why:

Quote #1: "Few points here: He’s new, he doesn’t want to out himself, and hands lurkers the excuse of not caring. First point isn’t incriminating, but the other two are pretty notable."

Seriously? I'm not 100% sure if this is you you meant by "not wanting to out myself", but this post was damn near the beginning of the game (first hour or two?). It does the town NO GOOD to point fingers that early with no real evidence. All it could do is start some illogical bandwagon that would be nothing better than a complete gamble. And your third point completely ignored the other part of that sentence, about the other kind of lurker that very well could be a mafia trying to hide...

Quote #2: Ok, fine, Pandain wagon was bullshit, I have no clue why anyone joined it at all, town or not. What I do find interesting is that apparantly Pandain is "pretty damn helpful" while LSB, evidently, has not been.

Holy shit this sounds forced. I wasn't even talking about "helpful people" in general, I was just commenting on the illogical bandwagon on Pandain (started by the blind FoSing earlygame that you said I should have done - yet you disagree with the bandwagon also?). Re-read what I said again: In no place should it have been expected that I mention LSB; I simply commented on the value of Pandain to this game, shown by his previous activity in other games and what he had already done to help newbies this game.

Quote #3:I don’t really get this. I’m thinking that if we can get Soulfire lynched or nightkilled then annul can be cleared of most suspicions. Once again he pushes lynching lurkers too. Also, people don’t switch roles midway (or at least not in this setup), so a change in character indicates they’re either dodging an accusation or real life problems.

For starters, I push lynching lurkers (even though you said I defended them in the first quote...?) because at the time this seemed like the most logical option to us, and frankly it still kind of is, for the reasons I explained above - a lurker will lurk and we have no guarantee of ever catching them, but an active mafia make slip up. I don't even get how I'm connected to the suspicion of annul; I think annul was suffering from some serious tunnel vision, and LSB slipped up in his defense. A change in character could easily be a scum trying to hide at an opportune moment - I don't really understand that last sentence.

Quote #4: Completely dodges the LSB/Annul situation by going for a new bandwagon on brocket. Also staying under the radar by following pandain quite closely.

Um, I've always been in favor of voting inactives (for reasons listed above), and above you even stated that. I viewed the long argument between LSB and annul as, as stated above, tunnel vision - both were active players that may slip up in the long run to reveal to us their potential role as scum. It seemed much more logical to lynch Brocket, especially since he was more active in the other game of Mafia he played. As for my vote against LSB, I admittedly followed a hunch that wasn't safe after reading Pandain's analysis - if he was red, it would've given us a LOT of information, but unfortunately he wasn't. Not sure how this is scummy; this is more like the act of a newb to the game.

Quote #5: Conclusion: Very likely scum. Not too many posts at all, and none of them offering any original insight. imo this is a better lynch than anyone else so far, but Mr Wiggles earns second place. If Soulfire dodges the lynch then I’d at least like someone to DT check him

Basically your analysis felt madly forced, and then in the end without contributing ANYTHING legitimate in your analysis you feel strongly enough to say "very likely"? That seems suspicious to me, quite frankly, but I'll let the others decide on that.

Apart from that, I'm following the discussions carefully and have for now decided to vote for Mr. Wiggles as mostly a temporary vote.

On January 04 2011 00:31 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
Ok to explain my last second voting drama. I was in irc with pandain, and everyone else who is cool enough to hang out there. Barundar and I are talking and then pandain just jumps all over me with questions about orgolove and annul (at this point I think pandain was still voting orgo). I'm like ok whatever so I answer but he wont respond when I ask him questions. Pandain was trying to get me to vote orgo through pm and irc but I thought orgo was innocent based on the fact that there was never a counterbandwago. Pandain didn't like this reason and he's getting pretty aggressive and then he switches his vote to annul saying something like "I wanna control this lynch" this sounded so scummy to me so I checked the votes and saw that this put annul one vote ahead of orgo. I didn't want pandain to have hammer power over the whole lynch so I switched to seraph because at this point I didn't want to be part of that mess. However after subsequent discussion with Barundar, a desire not to be left out of the action and a conviction that Orgo was town made me switch me vote back to annul.

I don't think pandain is scummy anymore and I'm 100% sure barundar is legit so my vote is going on mango because I've always found him to be inexplicably scummy along with his vote for barundar. And mr. zergling who is probably the most obvious scum we have right now.

On January 03 2011 22:21 Pandain wrote:
Alright also, me and baruder have started a town circle, including those we know are confirmed townies.

DT(s), if you have checked someone who was green, as long as it wasn't annul, they are confirmed town. Feel free to claim to them.

Furthormore I am opening up an idea for the town to discuss, and before anyone does anything we should discuss it in thread.

I have started a town circle with a few select individuals. I am willing to accept role claims.

Now, there is a chance that I am not "confirmed" yet, despite the fact I have been roleblocked, and despite the fact I helped get annul lynched, and despite the fact that I have been one of the most active individuals in the thread.

But I feel that for the reasons above, I am basically confirmed. Furthormore, unless a vigi claims whether to me or in thread that they shot node/RoL, opz is confirmed as well.

Should we claim to him? Should we claim to me? I AM in a town circle with Opz, but this must be thought out before anything else.

If I have medics with me, I can coordinate who to protect(so then not everyone protects me for instance, + Show Spoiler +.

In addition, I'd like to point out that if DT's feel uncomfortable claiming to me, we can also have people they checked claim to me, and we can work from there.

So, what do you guys think?

On January 04 2011 06:36 ~OpZ~ wrote:
sorry rol.....but im really fine lynching insanious now. or seraph. has he posted since you died? why has nobody said this. barundar is the one, along with myself who chose rol. but he used it as rol fucking up. dunno. i should of talked to rol. i guess i should of realized he was vet. always talking a lot during night phase. he didnt seem to be playing right.

On January 04 2011 08:53 ShoCkeyy wrote:



Ok, I can't believe you guys are letting Pandain get away... He's asking for blues to roleclaim... He has everyone believing he's a blue, which clearly he's not imo. Why do you go asking blues to roleclaim it's pretty easy to stack hits as a Mafia member and just kill off pandain, but of course he hasn't died because he's one of them. If the mafia really wanted to kill off blues, they already know one right here.

Pandain isn't a blue. Heed my warning.

On January 04 2011 08:58 ShoCkeyy wrote:
And of course this "town circle" is the rest of the mafia. They're trying to confuse you guys by saying they're doing good and instead they're not. And about Annul, it's pretty easy to go attacking the very own mafia member to not seem "scummy"

On January 04 2011 09:20 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:

How is attacking the godfather a good idea? If you really think they're scum prove it. At this point they're some of the only people scum hunting in the thread. Until you start pitching in I'd say pandain and barundar are way more town then you.

On January 04 2011 09:20 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:

How is attacking the godfather a good idea? If you really think they're scum prove it. At this point they're some of the only people scum hunting in the thread. Until you start pitching in I'd say pandain and barundar are way more town then you.

On January 04 2011 09:57 ShoCkeyy wrote:


Because the godfather was going down either way... Might as well as jump in on the bandwagon and just play along to not be considered "scum"...