EPTI was wrong on both OpZ and RoL, making me less confident in my analysis of Mr.Zergling. But when Zergling came out after we started pressuring annul, thats when I thought we where right about him. It feels counter-intuitive to let zergling go now for those reasons, would mean we just got lucky on annul. And he still doesn't actually contribute.
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Barundar
Denmark1582 Posts
I was wrong on both OpZ and RoL, making me less confident in my analysis of Mr.Zergling. But when Zergling came out after we started pressuring annul, thats when I thought we where right about him. It feels counter-intuitive to let zergling go now for those reasons, would mean we just got lucky on annul. And he still doesn't actually contribute. | ||
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Mr.Zergling
United States141 Posts
On January 04 2011 13:18 Barundar wrote: About trusting me I have been open on who I'm working with. If you want to be sure of the people I trust, you can kill me and see for yourself. I'm not telling anyone what to do, but after I switched my vote to annul, LunarDestiny PM'ed me he would help me push, on his own initiative. Pandain I'm working close with, not exactly hiding that. I was wrong on both OpZ and RoL, making me less confident in my analysis of Mr.Zergling. But when Zergling came out after we started pressuring annul, thats when I thought we where right about him. It feels counter-intuitive to let zergling go now for those reasons, would mean we just got lucky on annul. And he still doesn't actually contribute. I made alot of posts after annul died, because lunar was pressuring me | ||
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why
United States215 Posts
On January 03 2011 22:21 Pandain wrote: Alright also, me and baruder have started a town circle, including those we know are confirmed townies. DT(s), if you have checked someone who was green, as long as it wasn't annul, they are confirmed town. Feel free to claim to them. Furthormore I am opening up an idea for the town to discuss, and before anyone does anything we should discuss it in thread. I have started a town circle with a few select individuals. I am willing to accept role claims. Now, there is a chance that I am not "confirmed" yet, despite the fact I have been roleblocked, and despite the fact I helped get annul lynched, and despite the fact that I have been one of the most active individuals in the thread. But I feel that for the reasons above, I am basically confirmed. Furthormore, unless a vigi claims whether to me or in thread that they shot node/RoL, opz is confirmed as well. Should we claim to him? Should we claim to me? I AM in a town circle with Opz, but this must be thought out before anything else. If I have medics with me, I can coordinate who to protect(so then not everyone protects me for instance, + Show Spoiler + or maybe they will, you can't tell mafia! In addition, I'd like to point out that if DT's feel uncomfortable claiming to me, we can also have people they checked claim to me, and we can work from there. So, what do you guys think? Blues, I don't think this is a good idea (at least not with Pandain at the center of it). The reason is simple: we haven't confirmed Pandain yet. At the moment, we are obviously ahead in this game with all DT's and medics alive and 2 mafia down. Pandain, despite all his pro-town actions (and I think it is very likely that he is town) is not 100% confirmed. He hasn't proved he is DT (he has only checked DrH who died before pandain claimed and then he got roleblocked but mafia could just not use their roleblock on a townie so no one could counterclaim). If he is red, then it would be a disaster so there's just no reason to have pandain lead this town circle when he isn't 100% confirmed. Now Opz, on the other hand, I can see claiming to if no one can think of a way he wouldn't be 100% confirmed. With no vig counterclaim, I can't think of a way for him not to be confirmed, so a town circle should form with Opz at the helm. Of course, the best way to do things would be to have a DT confirm people and then build a circle from the people he confirmed. But I guess there is no way to verify a DT is legit until he picks up a red and then we lynch the red, correct? So maybe the DTs are waiting until that happens so they can confirm themselves. | ||
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Meapak_Ziphh
United States6786 Posts
I know I'm going to get jumped all over by Insanious for this post but when I flip town people will go back and read this and I'll be vindicated. I'd also like everyone to know that I will not change my vote from any of these four however I will change amongst them if I have a chance to save myself. | ||
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ilovejonn
Canada2548 Posts
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Brocket
Australia192 Posts
I'm willing to change my 2nd vote to one of the 4 (still have to keep an eye on jackal though). I'm happy keeping mango and seraph to be honest, they've been pretty good at contributing just like everybody else. I guess that means I ought to switch my 2 votes to zergling and darth so I don't have to pick one. It'll have to do. | ||
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Barundar
Denmark1582 Posts
On January 04 2011 14:29 Mr.Zergling wrote: I made alot of posts after annul died, because lunar was pressuring me How many times do I have to repeat myself? You only come out to defend yourself, or in the case of annul, to question our reasons for switching to him. You aren't responding to my PM's. If you are town please stop acting up, and give me something I can work with. Contributing is not the number of posts. It's the ammount of reasons, opinions, input and ideas you come forward with. It has nothing to do with activity. | ||
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Brocket
Australia192 Posts
So it's those 4, mango, seraph, zergling + darth. And meapak makes number 5. | ||
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seRapH
United States9808 Posts
On January 04 2011 12:07 LunarDestiny wrote: Opz is a confirmed vig unless another person claims to be a vig who used night action on RoL or Node. I don't think this part "2 night hits and a roleblock" is a possible answer to night 2's hit. I think you are just to say that mafia roleblocked RoL and used 2 night kill on RoL and Node. Look at roleblocker's description: Mafia Roleblocker Once per night, you may send in a PM detailing a person you would like to block. That person will be notified that they were blocked, and if the person being blocked has a night action, he or she will not be able to use it. Please note that this ability only pertains to active actions. Passive abilities, such as the Veteran's extra lives, cannot be blocked by mafia. This suggests that RoL the veteran can not be roleblocked and killed by 1 KP. So unless another person step up and claims to be a vig who used night action on night 2 on RoL or Node, Opz is a confirmed vig. I should probably chime in about how I suck and can't read rules. Sorry  Opz is confirmed. And Meapak is right about how we should consolidate votes! Mafia don't like picking sides, consolidating the votes gives them little opportunity to do so! | ||
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DarthThienAn
United States2734 Posts
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Barundar
Denmark1582 Posts
On January 04 2011 14:38 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Ok we need to consolidate our votes on these four people, Mr. Zergling, Darth, TheMango, and Seraph. I know a lot of people aren't going to unvote me but Insanious TheMango, Brocket, Pandain need to unvote their junk lynches and work on the reds we have. Also we should vote for double lynch again. We're going to get a red today possibly two if people unvote me. However if I do die this should prove several more people as town. People need to work with opz, he's confirmed. People should also work with Barundar and Pandain. Other than the people I've already mentioned as confirmed, I believe why and orgolove are also town. Our DT's and medics should double claim to both opz and Barundar/Pandain to ensure that the information is in safe hands. We've almost completely forgot about the MH role in all this excitment but who ever this is should have bombs on any of the four people above. If we lynch a red today, and the MH moves a bomb onto our two or three remaining suspects and then we double lynch tomorrow we can kill the MH and the remaining mafia if assuming there are four (and assuming the MH has his bombs placed well). I know I'm going to get jumped all over by Insanious for this post but when I flip town people will go back and read this and I'll be vindicated. I'd also like everyone to know that I will not change my vote from any of these four however I will change amongst them if I have a chance to save myself. I fail to see how you dieing proves me? | ||
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Meapak_Ziphh
United States6786 Posts
It doesn't "prove" you in the strictest sense however you will have a dead green (me) and a dead red (whoever else gets lynched) to vindicate your position to the people who are voting you, same goes for pandain. I'd also like to add an addendum to my earlier post and say that I think Mr. Wiggles and LunarDestiny are town as well. | ||
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Barundar
Denmark1582 Posts
On January 04 2011 15:26 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: It doesn't "prove" you in the strictest sense however you will have a dead green (me) and a dead red (whoever else gets lynched) to vindicate your position to the people who are voting you, same goes for pandain. I'd also like to add an addendum to my earlier post and say that I think Mr. Wiggles and LunarDestiny are town as well. Problem is, I don't trust you. I agree with Brocket when he sais you seem desperate. If you actually had an interest in confirming me, you wouldn't have a problem dieing. Difference between me and you vs. me and Pandain is, that me and Pandain are actively working together. You and me aren't. If I die, my circle is cleared of suspecion, and I'm fine with that since I'm green. If you are red however, you pointing out my name, and several of the people I trust, flipping you will make everyone mistrust us. Again, I have no reason to believe in you. | ||
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Meapak_Ziphh
United States6786 Posts
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Barundar
Denmark1582 Posts
On January 04 2011 16:06 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: lol if you're afraid of looking red because I flip red then jump on board my bandwagon, we're serving cheap beer 99¢ nachos and the dance floor is open till 2 am. If you are honestly that afraid of me flipping red then there's no better time than now to vote Meapak_Ziphh and lock in your townie guarantee at the phenomenally low price of one green. But seriously dude, to you and all the others who say I look desperate, would I be that desperate to call out me whole scum team? If you don't think these people are scum then by golly who do you think is? Aside from me of course. Actually this goes to anyone, do you have a better target than any of these four I named? Rofl, 180 switch. Now I'm actually mafia together with the people I trust, the people who helped me bring down annul? If people actually had any doubts to my allignment they could lynch me, and decide on the rest of the people I trust from there. Nice job confirming yourself as scum. ##Vote Meapak | ||
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GGQ
Canada2653 Posts
But for this vote I'm going to go with my gut, which has served me pretty well so far this game. I've thought that Meapak_Ziphh and TheMango were both suspicious for ages. I'm voting for them. | ||
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Meapak_Ziphh
United States6786 Posts
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Meapak_Ziphh
United States6786 Posts
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Meapak_Ziphh
United States6786 Posts
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Barundar
Denmark1582 Posts
But go ahead, and give me a reason to believe in you. Your major contribution to this game has been posting a voting ark. That in itself is not a contribution without analysis. You don't actually make any thoughts on what we can use the voting list for, you just look at who people voted for, and decide if they are scummy or not from there, and thats not scumhunting. So what makes a vote stay out to you? What are the votes to look for on day 1, and what are the votes to look for on day 2? In my opinion day 2 is easy, you removed your vote off annul, and didn't reapply it untill all hope was lost. But what about day 1? | ||
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