EPTI actually think that we should use one right now, but if it get the town to stop bickering about Zeks and Gabe, then perhaps it will be of benefit. What do you guys think? Do we have a strategy for double lynches?
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Kavdragon
United States1251 Posts
I actually think that we should use one right now, but if it get the town to stop bickering about Zeks and Gabe, then perhaps it will be of benefit. What do you guys think? Do we have a strategy for double lynches? | ||
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DarthThienAn
United States2734 Posts
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Brocket
Australia192 Posts
I've never supported Zeks, I only suggested Gabe was a higher priority because there is evidence (set up or otherwise) pointing against him. I'll thrown in an extra. Whether zeks or gabe gets voted out as townie, I'll vote myself day 3. No worries. | ||
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Infundibulum
United States2552 Posts
On December 15 2010 06:51 Kavdragon wrote: One quick note. I was(am) writting up an analysis of this day's voting, and I'd like to remind people that we do have two double lynches. I actually think that we should use one right now, but if it get the town to stop bickering about Zeks and Gabe, then perhaps it will be of benefit. What do you guys think? Do we have a strategy for double lynches? Generally we want to use a double lynch before the mafia has a lot of vote swinging power. I like to start double lynching on Day 3 or 4 (remember, if we vote for double lynch on Day 3 it doesn't come active until Day 4) because around this time detectives have usually hit at least 1 red if they are playing well. In addition, if we miss the lynch today we will almost have to vote for double lynch tomorrow in order to increase our chances of catching up to the mafia in terms of kills, especially since we can't count on M2 and there is no vigilante role that is town aligned. | ||
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Infundibulum
United States2552 Posts
On December 15 2010 06:51 DarthThienAn wrote: I voted zeks, because I think he's the best chance of being mafia of the people we have now. I also haven't read the last couple pages cuz I'm busy, but I want to point out deconduo again... I'm not sure he said anything this game --useful-- other than giving a reason for his vote. good call on deconduo. notice his vote for gabe with a very short justification post in the thread. He was a bit more active Day 1 so I agree with your suspicion. | ||
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Oceanic
United States122 Posts
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Infundibulum
United States2552 Posts
On December 15 2010 06:53 Brocket wrote: Good post Infund. Well as I said, I'm happy to vote myself day 3 should gabe be a red. I've never supported Zeks, I only suggested Gabe was a higher priority because there is evidence (set up or otherwise) pointing against him. I'll thrown in an extra. Whether zeks or gabe gets voted out as townie, I'll vote myself day 3. No worries. i think you mean should gabe be a town? in any case voting for yourself doesn't do anything, so I don't know what you're trying to prove. | ||
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Brocket
Australia192 Posts
It was mostly for dramatic effect. I'm just saying I don't care if I get voted off as long as I know gabe is a townie or a mafia. There is just too much evidence against him with the events transpiring from night 1 combined with his voting process both day 1 and day 2 for me to avoid FoS on gabe. | ||
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Pandain
United States12989 Posts
1.I do not believe Gabriel is scum. Why would a mafia be SO active day 1, and even more so. Rather than just chillaxing in the back and letting town go vs town, he's actually actively trying to find scum. Now, what I find interesting is that if he was scum, then 1.Why haven't his scum buddies reigned him in at all. 2.Why does he keep making such long posts on day 1, which is really the best day since mafia can go afk basically. It just doesn't make sense for gabriel to be mafia. There is still a slight chance that he is, but that is overshadowed by the likes of Seraph, zeks, and DXCVILL for instance, all of those who have been "contributing without contributing"(save zeks recently.) If we do lynch zeks, not only do we lynch a potential scum, but if he flips mafia then the 11-12 outcome on day 1 will immensely help us with scum hunting. That's only a side bonus, but it is a point worth noting. Furthormore, town needs to broaden its perspectives. It is too late to go after these, but I am posting these here, those who have been "contributing without really contributing." In the interest of time I shall just post one, but there are others who I shall bring up as well. Seraph + Show Spoiler + On December 10 2010 07:19 seRapH wrote: PROFESSOR OAK DIED?! NOOOOOOOOOOO spam On December 11 2010 02:41 seRapH wrote: I HAVE AWOKEN FROM MY SLUMBER Going to read through thread now  spam On December 11 2010 03:15 seRapH wrote: Oh come on guys, 5 people voting for Gabriel out of nowhere? He hasn't really been very scummy imo. I'm keeping an eye on this bandwagon for scum, it's very likely that someone amongst these 5 are poison-type pokemon, maybe even multiple of them. As of right now, I still don't see any obvious scum, or even likely scum, for that matter. Lynching inactive won't be a bad option at any rate, and likely a better choice than blindly following one of the two bandwagons right now. post to just get by On December 11 2010 05:25 seRapH wrote: At the very least he's voicing his disagreement with the Gabriel bandwagon. pointless On December 11 2010 13:35 seRapH wrote: ALL MIND GAMES Plus it pushes people to actually post. In the end it's all about how much content we have. pointless, and whats with the "we" On December 12 2010 07:55 seRapH wrote: I'm voting for Kenpachi now because he started the lynch Gabe wagon, and because he has no posts of substance. No substance --> Airhead --> KOFFING irony On December 13 2010 13:38 seRapH wrote: This sucks for you I really want to know who the voltorb's on now... spam/fishing????? On December 13 2010 21:20 seRapH wrote: WHAT WE LOST MEAPAKK TOO?! T_T Immediate FoS on ghurur for FoS'ing Meapakk. Mafia would likely continue attacking their intended targets, especially if they were chansey'd. bad accusation, and weak one too. But first, can someone just link me like a post or tell me exactly why zeks is a good lynch suspect. | ||
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Eiii
United States2566 Posts
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DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
Node KtheZ tube These 3 players are in danger of modkill. Please vote. | ||
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tube
United States1475 Posts
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ShoCkeyy
7815 Posts
Analysis for Day 1: Already agreeing with each other, but hey this isn't enough yet. + Show Spoiler + On December 10 2010 07:43 LSB wrote: I'll just use posts made before Inactives: Plan Firstly. DO NOT CLAIM DO NOT CLAIM Good now that we got that out of the way, some other ideas. One plan that would work is to use the blue roles to promote activity in the town. The Alakazam should check the inactive people and the lurkers, as it is incredibly difficult if not impossible to tell the difference between a bored townie and a lurking mafia. The Chansey's should protect active players, this way the mafia won't be able to take out the people who are contributing the most to town, so people won't be scared of trying to put forth their opinions. On December 10 2010 07:47 Amber[LighT] wrote: *Things like role checks. I agree with LSB as well, no role claiming strategies. They almost never work. On December 10 2010 10:03 d3_crescentia wrote: Hesmyrr with the insubstantial "I agree" post. Let's watch out for him. d3, why don't you also watch out for your team mates? or are you trying to confuse the town as well. Here's some more agreeing by LSB, BUT CONTRADICTING. First d3 says meh to LSB plan, but then later on agrees to LSB plan. + Show Spoiler + On December 10 2010 10:15 d3_crescentia wrote: LSB's blue plan is pretty meh. It's not a good plan of attack for our Zams to check lurkers and inactives; they should be checking people who could be scum, including whoever is contributing the most. Keep in mind that all the mafia needs to do is to distract and confuse the town enough so that they make poor decisions. On December 10 2010 10:11 LSB wrote: Remember, the town's best weapon is analysis. By checking the inactives, we flush out the mafia to the limelight where they easily could be found. We want the mafia to attempt to distract the town, this way we can catch onto what they are doing. The town has to be vigilant to guard against these attempts + Show Spoiler + Discussing a plan is one of the best ways to generate activity and catch a scum btw On December 10 2010 10:15 d3_crescentia wrote: I'd rather we just kill the inactives. I think checking them is a waste. Some more agreeing from d3 to LSB + Show Spoiler + On December 10 2010 10:32 d3_crescentia wrote: Seconded. That is kind of bullshit. Something a townie once said, which is quite true. Why would you go into a game already telling what people to do? Why do you constantly force your opinion to be "the voice of reasoning" + Show Spoiler + On December 10 2010 08:53 jcarlsoniv wrote: @LSB: While trying to coordinate blues seems good, I have to say, the more games I play, the more I hate to see people directing blues in thread. On Day 1, I think they need to do what they think needs to be done without influence from the thread. Any direction from the thread can also be seen by scum, and thus they will be clued in as well. No, obviously, I know that the blues don't need to listen to what is said in the thread, but they will be influenced by what is said. Let's hope we have good blues this time around. On December 10 2010 09:59 jcarlsoniv wrote: I don't not support it (if that makes any sense). I am going under the assumption that our blues are at least halfway competent players, and will be able to think for themselves to use their roles effectively. This may be very naive though. I think general direction right now is fine for now, as long as we don't get too specific, especially Day 1. The last thing I want is for blues to be sniped right away. In this sense, I definitely agree with you that everyone should keep their roles secret for now. Tube Calling out LSB after LSB tried to "Defend" himself from Kav + Show Spoiler + On December 11 2010 14:39 tube wrote: Also, before you defend LSB you should take another look at the manners in which hes been posting Look at his defense against Kav's [long] list of suspicions. He tries to answer for all of his posts by merely responding that they were all taken out of context. Nor does he even say what "specific purpose" any of those posts had. If those purposes were to answer questions, they had more of an effect of making him look like hes trying hard to come off as town. Though apparently we should see his purposes as "quiet obvious" to the point where he does not have to explain them. (or can't?) Day 2 Coming soon. | ||
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Infundibulum
United States2552 Posts
On December 15 2010 07:31 Pandain wrote:\ But first, can someone just link me like a post or tell me exactly why zeks is a good lynch suspect. Sure, I can go over it: Day 1: he talked about me "slipping up" without explaining it much later when asked about it. He then gets really defensive and accuses people of overreacting to his votes, changes his vote to an inactive, and doesn't post as much for the rest of the day. But before the day ends he makes his "I think I'm dead post." GGQ correctly explained all the problems with that. Day 2: He very quickly goes after Gabriel, who as I explained before is an easy target and a good way to incite the town into an argument that can escalate out of control quickly. Aside from that I havent seen much of him. One big thing is that there's almost nobody defending him which i think is really surprising. Someone pointed out before that when a townie is going to be lynched, mafia like to defend him so they look good after the townie is lynched. So maybe zeks is red and is being bussed? | ||
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Amber[LighT]
United States5078 Posts
Want to bandwagon against me? Well heres your chance to now redeem yourselves from what I'm about to post. Analysis for Day 1: Already agreeing with each other, but hey this isn't enough yet. + Show Spoiler + On December 10 2010 07:43 LSB wrote: I'll just use posts made before Inactives: Plan Firstly. DO NOT CLAIM DO NOT CLAIM Good now that we got that out of the way, some other ideas. One plan that would work is to use the blue roles to promote activity in the town. The Alakazam should check the inactive people and the lurkers, as it is incredibly difficult if not impossible to tell the difference between a bored townie and a lurking mafia. The Chansey's should protect active players, this way the mafia won't be able to take out the people who are contributing the most to town, so people won't be scared of trying to put forth their opinions. On December 10 2010 07:47 Amber[LighT] wrote: *Things like role checks. I agree with LSB as well, no role claiming strategies. They almost never work. On December 10 2010 10:03 d3_crescentia wrote: Hesmyrr with the insubstantial "I agree" post. Let's watch out for him. d3, why don't you also watch out for your team mates? or are you trying to confuse the town as well. Here's some more agreeing by LSB, BUT CONTRADICTING. First d3 says meh to LSB plan, but then later on agrees to LSB plan. + Show Spoiler + On December 10 2010 10:15 d3_crescentia wrote: LSB's blue plan is pretty meh. It's not a good plan of attack for our Zams to check lurkers and inactives; they should be checking people who could be scum, including whoever is contributing the most. Keep in mind that all the mafia needs to do is to distract and confuse the town enough so that they make poor decisions. On December 10 2010 10:11 LSB wrote: Remember, the town's best weapon is analysis. By checking the inactives, we flush out the mafia to the limelight where they easily could be found. We want the mafia to attempt to distract the town, this way we can catch onto what they are doing. The town has to be vigilant to guard against these attempts + Show Spoiler + Discussing a plan is one of the best ways to generate activity and catch a scum btw On December 10 2010 10:15 d3_crescentia wrote: I'd rather we just kill the inactives. I think checking them is a waste. Some more agreeing from d3 to LSB + Show Spoiler + On December 10 2010 10:32 d3_crescentia wrote: Seconded. That is kind of bullshit. Something a townie once said, which is quite true. Why would you go into a game already telling what people to do? Why do you constantly force your opinion to be "the voice of reasoning" + Show Spoiler + On December 10 2010 08:53 jcarlsoniv wrote: @LSB: While trying to coordinate blues seems good, I have to say, the more games I play, the more I hate to see people directing blues in thread. On Day 1, I think they need to do what they think needs to be done without influence from the thread. Any direction from the thread can also be seen by scum, and thus they will be clued in as well. No, obviously, I know that the blues don't need to listen to what is said in the thread, but they will be influenced by what is said. Let's hope we have good blues this time around. On December 10 2010 09:59 jcarlsoniv wrote: I don't not support it (if that makes any sense). I am going under the assumption that our blues are at least halfway competent players, and will be able to think for themselves to use their roles effectively. This may be very naive though. I think general direction right now is fine for now, as long as we don't get too specific, especially Day 1. The last thing I want is for blues to be sniped right away. In this sense, I definitely agree with you that everyone should keep their roles secret for now. Tube Calling out LSB after LSB tried to "Defend" himself from Kav + Show Spoiler + On December 11 2010 14:39 tube wrote: Also, before you defend LSB you should take another look at the manners in which hes been posting Day 2 Coming soon. You should probably also note in your smear campaign that the post you quoted from me wasnt a simple agree. I had another post that you neglected: [QUOTE]On December 10 2010 07:46 Amber[LighT] wrote: [QUOTE]On December 10 2010 07:42 Oceanic wrote: Doesn't it say in 1 of the guides posted that lynching an inactive day 1 is not something you should do?[/QUOTE] Lynching an inactive typically results in lynching an apathetic townie. Everyone should be posting frequently to discuss who should die for day 1. There are no PM's so everything should be out in the open. We should really worry less about how the blues should play. Thinks like role checks won't be overly reliable, and saving people cannot be discussed in the thread. It probably would be a good idea for the electrodes to think about where to place voltorbs and pick up on good scum tells.[/QUOTE] | ||
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ShoCkeyy
7815 Posts
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Amber[LighT]
United States5078 Posts
On December 15 2010 08:06 ShoCkeyy wrote: But you certainly agreed with jumping on the "ShoCkeyy" bandwagon with d3 after me just naming you. I never pointed you out as scum, I basically just said that there's other people to be pointing at as well that he never mentioned. Then all the sudden after d3 and you voted for me, here comes LSB voting for me as well, when all three of you don't even have any form of analysis or clues as to why I am scum. You just "assumed" I am scum, all three of you that have been backing each other up for a while now in this game. There was no bandwagon. I don't understand where you got this thought from. If there was a bandwagon you would be ahead in votes. | ||
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BrownBear
United States6894 Posts
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Node
United States2159 Posts
I still think Eiii is mafia, and I'm very very suspicious of LSB. Note his "I'm going to die tonight!" and "Seriously, I don't understand why I'm still alive" posts. It's just a way of saying, "Look! I'm town! Really! Because I'm a target! Really!" If I had to pick a person who would be Gengar, it would be LSB. | ||
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ghrur
United States3786 Posts
On December 15 2010 08:38 Node wrote: I'm going to vote zeks today, as I don't want to let him slip through the cracks. I still think Eiii is mafia, and I'm very very suspicious of LSB. Note his "I'm going to die tonight!" and "Seriously, I don't understand why I'm still alive" posts. It's just a way of saying, "Look! I'm town! Really! Because I'm a target! Really!" If I had to pick a person who would be Gengar, it would be LSB. I agree with Node on the mafia LSB thing, but not on the Gengar. Thinking about it, LSB's playstyle this game is eerily similar to Radfield's playstyle in Salem. Even the "I'm going to die tonight!" thing matches up. | ||
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