EPTOn November 11 2010 12:17 LSB wrote:
Haha you ninjaed me
Haha you ninjaed me
Kingmaker - A New Game - Page 9
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DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
Day 1 ![[image loading]](http://www.nazi.org/community/columns/smith/column9/guillotine.png) Off with his head! Off with his head! Off with his head! The Villagers chant, they scream and they growl! They want Justice tonight and they want it right now! Do your duty dear King for the Assassins do prowl! Let the blade cut deep and hope thy blood does run foul! The Executioner grabs Coagulation's struggling body and forearms him to the back of the head. Coagulation: Oh come on my dear man, what ever happened to some bloody dignity! I'm innocent! Unhand me! The Executioner quickly stuffs some pork lining into his mouth to quiet his squelching. There shall be no saving this poor villain! As King DoctorHelvetica sits on his throne, he wonders aloud - My, My, this beard sure has grown. The Executioner winds back and the blade starts to twirl The Villagers are fascinated their minds in a whirl The steel strikes the flesh and the King starts to frown + Show Spoiler + Oh god my dear man! Coagulation was town! It is now Night 1, so send in your actions! You have 24 hours to make do with your faction! Tomorrow, a new King shall rise to lead you to victory. But be careful my friends - some of them may be tricky... | ||
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DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
Sorry Coag. | ||
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Coagulation
United States9633 Posts
On November 11 2010 10:01 DoctorHelvetica wrote: I feel bad for Coag though, if this keeps up he'll be day 1 lynch in every game he plays. On November 11 2010 11:02 Coagulation wrote: what have i done this game to be a nuisance? i dont understand... | ||
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BrownBear
United States6894 Posts
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LSB
United States5171 Posts
On November 12 2010 01:56 BrownBear wrote: Mk, well, night discussion was kind of a wash... Maybe you could look at my posts? I know that you said that you were going to do so. | ||
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Pandain
United States12989 Posts
But we've got a game, so let's play  | ||
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orgolove
Vatican City State1650 Posts
And the kingmaker probably didn't even look at the "red"-ness of any player and just chose DrH because he's experienced. Note that DrH has been a red in every single game except 1 - hopefully you'll consider your choice a bit longer before just insta-choosing an experienced player. | ||
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DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
On November 12 2010 17:12 orgolove wrote: It's kinda arbitrary right now. I really wish the king revealed himself early and we went through the strict vote-for-lynch system. Do it any other way and the mafia has way too much sway over what could happen. And the kingmaker probably didn't even look at the "red"-ness of any player and just chose DrH because he's experienced. Note that DrH has been a red in every single game except 1 - hopefully you'll consider your choice a bit longer before just insta-choosing an experienced player. how is me being a red in other games even a point? thats a pretty shitty attempt at making me look bad. I don't see why it's worth mentioning unless you want to talk about my behavior as mafia vs my behavior as town please don't pursue a grudge against me like you did in the last game, it clouds your judgment and makes you look bad. this is just metagaming without purpose. if the kingmaker has to choose a king within an hour of the game starting how is he able to make a choice based on "redness"? that's laughable. of course the kingmaker should pick an experienced player lol | ||
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DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
who should I have lynched instead orgolove? I didn't lynch amber because i thought your arguments were bogus and no one seems to have given any serious dissent to my opinion. although I'm sure with your expert pro-town play you would have surely 100% gotten a red on the first day eh | ||
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
Day 2 ![[image loading]](http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:KDntAceplxeUhM:http://koocha.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/PSD-Royal-Crown.jpg&t=1) Alas, oh look! A new King has been chosen! It is now Day 2, and all have awoken! But mischief is back! Evil is afoot! People are dying, things are not well Too bad for the Villagers, our good Doctor now rots in Hell Doctor.H, Town Hero has been killed! 7 little Villagers meet in the Town Square 5 of them are good, noble and fair 1 is the maker of Kings with power The Hero is dead, once known for his valor 2 of them villains that make you cower And one shall be crowned King at this important hour! Day 2 ends @ 11:00 ET/12:00KST on Saturday November 13th | ||
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CubEdIn
Romania5359 Posts
Seriously, if town wants to stand a chance in this game then everyone should get to posting. This game has been much slower than I expected, and if people don't post then we might as well random-kill, which will probably lose the game for town. At this point it's much to easy for mafia to sit back and slay whoever they want. I've gone through the posts and Dr.H didn't do anything that would even hint at him being town hero, so I don't think he got killed because of that. He also didn't straight-out accuse anyone other than Coag, who was proven town, so basically we have zero leads at the start of day 2. All I can hope for is that people start playing. As far as there's no posts involved, I'd vote for the inactives. I know it's a crappy idea since they are probably town, like BrownBear said, but, as I said before, this is too small of a game. Only 7 people left. We need to hear opinions, see people trying to play. Come on guys, wake up. | ||
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Pandain
United States12989 Posts
Some notes: I doubt orgolove is red, since why would he make himself linked to Dr. H when the night actions I would've assumed would already have been sent(past original time.) This could just be a whole wifom thing, but I doubt it. We need to talk more. I need to talk more :p | ||
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Amber[LighT]
United States5078 Posts
I think Orgolove is my biggest suspect since he was the only person that threw out a blank accusation yesterday (against me). The pressure wasn't pushed after DrH stepped up and named his lynch, so I'm a bit suspicious of this. I'd like to hear more from BrownBear & Hesmyrr since they're playing on the fairly quiet side. | ||
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LSB
United States5171 Posts
On November 12 2010 22:55 Amber[LighT] wrote: Idk don't discount Orgolove just yet. Just because DrH flipped doesn't guarantee anything. It would seem that the assassins went for a dead-end route. They picked a target that wouldn't lead back to any mafia connections. Think about the people who targeted who on Day 1. Think of everyone who put pressure on Coag. Chances are one of the people in that list is mafia. DrH did more-or-less enhance the lynching but the chances of the assassins backing that decision were probably pretty high. I think Orgolove is my biggest suspect since he was the only person that threw out a blank accusation yesterday (against me). The pressure wasn't pushed after DrH stepped up and named his lynch, so I'm a bit suspicious of this. I'd like to hear more from BrownBear & Hesmyrr since they're playing on the fairly quiet side. Only thing about Orgolove is just right before the day post, he decided to make a (kindof sucky) accusation against DoctorH. And I don't think the mafia is dumb enough to attack someone who they are going to kill. However, we can't discount the fact that possibly Orgo was looking for anti-Doc sentiment in the town | ||
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LSB
United States5171 Posts
Brownbear makes three significant points in the game. 1) Brownbear dodges the main debate He argues against lynching inactives + Show Spoiler + On November 09 2010 12:36 BrownBear wrote: Well, I'm looking at the "lynch an inactive" plan, and I don't really think it's that smart, given that we especially don't want to get anywhere near LYLO. I think we really should be trying to drop an Assassin right now: it's totally doable this stage in the game, and if we fall into the "hurr durr lets just lynch inactive" trap TL town usually falls into, it's going to bite us in the ass. On November 09 2010 12:43 BrownBear wrote: Well, obviously, but I'm too used to seeing a bunch of people vote on an inactive, go AFK for the rest of the cycle, and then the poor guy dies, even if he shows up. I'm just saying, king should be using his judgement here. If town wants to kill a dude "for being inactive" but the dude has posted, should king go ahead and kill the dude? Not unless the king thinks he's actually an assassin, or the king himself is an assassin. Part of the awesome part of having a King is that the king reveals a lot about HIS role by how he acts. If we force him to be our puppet, that doesn't tell us much at all. Giving the kings a bit more leeway might actually make an Assassin-King work in our favor - we thrust him into the spotlight, make him more likely to screw up, and thus stand a better chance of catching him. I'm in favor of ADVISING the king, but not forcing him to follow our orders. Gives us more to work with. Also, whoever is the king should be held to a VERY HIGH standard of activity, for the same reason: we know they're king, but we want to know as much more about them as we can. Although this isn't necessarily pro-town or anti-town, its more of an attempt to lurk and try to get some easy posts in. The inactive debate has happened countless times before and brownbear easily could pull arguments without actually contributing to the town. Now, if this was the only debate at the time, I wouldn't worry. But the issue was whether or not the king should claim and follow the majority. This is pretty crucial as the mafia defiantly would want to go against the plan. And brownbear is absent from the debate 2) Contradicts himself in order to seem better Slightly against the Coag lynch + Show Spoiler + On November 10 2010 06:58 BrownBear wrote: Because we don't want to lynch based off of JUST being inactive and bad? ----- Player 1: "Hey, Player 2 is inactive and terrible. I'm king. I'm going to kill him before the end of the day because of this." Players 3-9: "Well, Player 2 is inactive and bad. I guess I don't have any problems with killing him..." Player 1: "Awesome! EXECUTE PLAYER 2!!!" Player 2 flips green Player 1: "Well, shit. At least he was inactive and bad. Now, lets look at the posts today and analyze... wait... fuck." ----- That shit ain't gonna fly here. If no better option exists at or near the end of the day, go ahead and lynch Coag, but under no circumstances should you be executing people until the last possible minute. If anyone turns this into Bang Bang Mafia I will make it my personal goal to get them executed as soon as possible. On November 10 2010 07:07 BrownBear wrote: Coag's first post (of 2) this game. The "bite me Pandain" is in reference to Pandain trying to pressure-vote him. Coag's second post (of 2). This is kind of just blatantly wrong. Town absolutely needs to figure out what the king's thinking and logic is. Kingmaker is not infallible, an Assassin-King could absolutely be chosen, and it's town's duty to not only advise the king on a scummy player to lynch, but also attempt to figure out the King's role. If the king is acting scummy/not agreeing with town/being evasive/executing without fully discussing why or explaining himself... chances are he's got something to hide. The thing I can't tell here is whether this is Coag deliberately trying to mislead town, or whether it's just Coag being an idiot. Analysis is hard when the player doesn't give you anything to analyze. On November 10 2010 07:54 BrownBear wrote: Are you kidding? If we scumhunt properly, we can get a scum king to work for us, or out himself as scum as well. It's a win-win situation. Firstly, Brownbear started yelling at Coag for his anti-town analysis, he was pretty much anti Coag for a while. And this post On November 11 2010 11:09 BrownBear wrote: I don't think Coag is the new Bill Murray... I think we're too focused on him honestly. I'd have him as a execute-if-we-have-no-better-options candidate. Honestly, I'd go with Hesmyrr or LSB over Coag. This is a slight defense of Coag. He's saying that he doesn't want Coag lynched. This is even after Brownbear flamed Coag for anti-town ideas. And lets take a look at who he wants lynched. Hesmyrr- Hesmyrr has been inactive. Brownbear is supposedly against lynching inactives LSB- more on this later, but Brownbear just makes a random accusation and then disappears, not stating why. All this post is so that he can buy some kudos points when coag flips blue. This wishy washy view is to slightly influence the town in the direction he wants. 3) He makes a random accusation with no weight He accuses me, for no apparent reason + Show Spoiler + On November 11 2010 11:09 BrownBear wrote: I don't think Coag is the new Bill Murray... I think we're too focused on him honestly. I'd have him as a execute-if-we-have-no-better-options candidate. Honestly, I'd go with Hesmyrr or LSB over Coag. I then ask him why, repeadily. No response. On November 11 2010 11:37 LSB wrote: Very interesting. I understand the posting out of character. But can you please tell me about this 'rehashing'? Or flying under the radar? On November 12 2010 02:00 LSB wrote: Maybe you could look at my posts? I know that you said that you were going to do so. Its a slip up that he said, "I feel that LSB is mafia." At the time, he was just looking for someone to accuse and say that they are mafia. I did this (as mafia) back in TMMM, when I said that "Oh, Southrawer/Divinek is mafia". I couldn't back up my claim and that was a great scumtell. Brownbear, can you black up your claim? | ||
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DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
w/e GG guys. makes sense mafia would hit the experienced player! Keep your heads together and stay cool! | ||
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orgolove
Vatican City State1650 Posts
As I repeated time and time again, the town is just crippling themselves by not going the route of revealing the king immediately and actually voting on the lynch. I repeated myself so many times, showed reasons over and over and over and over again, but you are so obtuse. Why are you so focused on the "Kingmaker" mechanic? How many times do i have to tell you that if we follow the voting system, this game is just a rehash of the F9 setup? You know, the F9 setup that has been the standard mafia setup and was proven to be pretty balanced, despite all your arguments that the mafia could "influence" the arguments? Revealing and voting for the king's lynch is the ONLY way we can stop the crazy disadvantage the town could get if the kingmaker happens to choose a red and they insta-lynch a town. @DoctorH, your own "grudge" is showing by how emotionally you're responding to my posts -_- You just assume I'm posting negatively against you because of my grudge? I wrote that post against you based on two things: 1. anyone who thinks even for a second realizes that revealing the king and voting on his lynch is the best way to go about it. 2. You call yourself an "experienced" player and yet you were against this, even before the king was chosen. But despite this, the kingmaker still unwisely chose you as the king. I honestly don't know what you were thinking - if you were the hero, then shouldn't you especially be thinking about what's best for the town? And now, we already lost two towns, one of them our ONLY blue. And yet you refuse to reveal the king and vote on the lynch. Sigh, this game is already over. | ||
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Pandain
United States12989 Posts
Perhaps we should discuss? I'm also starting to think it might be a scum king this round :/ | ||
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orgolove
Vatican City State1650 Posts
Just think about the friggin mechanics. We are already crippled from the start with the lack of a reliable detective. The standard F9 setup is balanced around having one rolechecker and two mafia. Now we not only have a rolechecker, but the mafia is given a chance to control the lynch as they please. It is a setup highly favored for the reds. The only way town has a chance to prevent this is by understanding this and exploiting the town's only advantage - THE NUMBERS. Why are the townies here, if any, still resistant to voting for the lynch? Jesus christ - it's so simple, and yet people are so blinded by the "kingmaker" gimmick that they refuse to see simple logic. I've fought all the way throughout the game to make you guys aware of this. But no... I'm highly suspicious of anyone at this point who keeps arguing for a secret king decision instead of a majority guided vote. This isn't a matter of anger or emotion - it's simple logic. If you are against something that is 100% in favor of giving more power to the town, then you are either a red or a green who will only be a burden to the rest of the town. So I put it here again. My vote is to lynch the first fool that raised the bandwagon against voting: ##Vote: Amber[Light] | ||
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