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Hesmyrr
Canada5776 Posts
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orgolove
Vatican City State1650 Posts
As I mentioned before, Amber[Light] is highly suspicious given he was the first to oppose the vote-lynch system. Any townie who logically considers the circumstances will realize that in fact, having the king follow the vote of the majority is the only way to keep the king under the town's control, and indeed, the only way the town possibly has a chance in this mafia favored setup. Again, this game's setup is simply the standard F9, except there is no reliable detective and the mafia is given a chance to insta-lynch if the "kingmaker" does not think it through carefully. Considering that F9 is balanced around 2 mafia-1 rolechecker-(1doctor)-6 (5) town, you can see where I'm going. We can't do anything about not having a 100% detective, but we can minimize the chance of mafia becoming the king and insta-killing a town arbitrarily then getting away with it by saying "oh he just looked scummy." This is important especially given that we lost our only natural defense against a mafia king. With no hero, a mafia king can kill with impunity. So what's my point? All these arguments shown above were clearly posted not once, but several times. And yet Amber[Light] has time and time again disagreed with forcing the king to follow a majority rule. Only a mafia (or a really dumb townie) would keep going for something that so completely goes against the town's interests. ##Vote: Amber[Light] | ||
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Pandain
United States12989 Posts
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orgolove
Vatican City State1650 Posts
I could only imagine an assassin King coming up with some BS as to why candidate X should be lynched, and the town just idly agrees while candidate X is screaming at the other players that they aren't being reasonable. How many town did we start with? 7. How many scum? 2. That's the only defense we have against the mafia. They know it too, and that's why if you're a mafia, you'd be clearly hoping for the king to be allowed to kill whoever he wants instead of listening to the masses. Plus, you'd be giving yourselves an opening to escape scrutiny even if a red becomes the king, given how easy it would be to say "oh damn, I made a mistake." Thus, only a mafia would keep pushing to establish something that is so anti-town. | ||
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Amber[LighT]
United States5078 Posts
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LSB
United States5171 Posts
Because in a nutshell that's all you said. Speaking of while. Don't let Brownbear be unnoticed. He have been dodging all day and hasn't be responding or contributing at all ##VOTE: Brownbear | ||
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CubEdIn
Romania5359 Posts
Baiscally, everyone has made a decent or half-decent point, but to me there's not enough information to actually VOTE for anyone. My instincts still say that we should target inactives. Not for lynching per se, but in order to get them to talk. It's too easy for the reds to just stay low and watch us slaughter each other. Also, there are two mafia in this game. I have yet to see two opinions that were in alignment with one another, so I really doubt that we're gonna hit a red so far, unless one mafia is active and the other one passive (which, I must say, is not a bad plan I guess). I'll keep thinking about this, but even though I suspect people, I don't suspect anyone enough in order to send them to be lynched. I'll try to take a step back and look at the whole picture again, when I come back in a few hours, and cast my vote then. I must say I'm not happy with the reasoning so far. There are some valid points, as I said, but nothing that's even 75% sure to get us a red lynch. | ||
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BrownBear
United States6894 Posts
On November 13 2010 22:30 LSB wrote: All right. Orgolove, do you have anything else against Amber[LighT] besides that he voted for the voting system? Because in a nutshell that's all you said. Speaking of while. Don't let Brownbear be unnoticed. He have been dodging all day and hasn't be responding or contributing at all ##VOTE: Brownbear Apologies, I've been busy as fuck. I'll be writing up a defense post later. | ||
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BrownBear
United States6894 Posts
On November 12 2010 23:35 LSB wrote: FOS: Brownbear GRRR MAFIA BLAH BLAH GRRR | ||
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Pandain
United States12989 Posts
*cries* One day, I shall be as persuasive as you one day. One day.... | ||
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BrownBear
United States6894 Posts
So far, I don't see a logical reason to kill Amber. However, there's some fun little gems... On November 12 2010 22:55 Amber[LighT] wrote: BLAH BLAH ORGOLOVE BLAH BLAH I'd like to hear more from BrownBear & Hesmyrr since they're playing on the fairly quiet side. And then 2 posts later... On November 12 2010 23:35 LSB wrote: FOS: Brownbear GRRR MAFIA BLAH BLAH GRRR And currently, LSB has completely ignored, to the point where he hasn't even acknowledged, the bandwagon forming on Amber so that he can continue to dump suspicion on me. There are connections, they're actually pretty obvious. Note, LSB, I never actually said you were red. I said you have given me a bad vibe all game. It's hard to throw up hard analysis based on gut feelings, because falling into that trap is a bad way to play the game. A couple of your posts... On November 09 2010 12:13 LSB wrote: That's why you look to my idea about the king following the town's decision. That way even if an assassin is chosen as king, nothing will happen. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=167304¤tpage=2#27 The biggest problem with no detective is that there is no easy way to check the alignment of inactives. This is why on the first day we should lynch an inactive. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=167304¤tpage=2#30 This is not a very good argument for lynching an inactive. This is a game of 9 people, where we really cannot afford to slip up much at all, so under no circumstances should we be just "lynching an inactive because we have nothing better to do" we should be finding something better to do. Let's be honest, it's a pretty poor argument, but you say it in such certain terms. Generally, the people I've seen going "This is what we should do" about stupid shit are more likely than not to be mafia trying to mislead town. So, I never FoS'd you or said "HEY GUYS LSB IS RED" I just said you were giving me a bad feeling. And now you're connected (kinda tenuously, but still) to Amber, who's been coming under some hard suspicion. It doesn't really add up to me. | ||
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BrownBear
United States6894 Posts
On November 14 2010 06:28 Pandain wrote: *cries* One day, I shall be as persuasive as you one day. One day.... Yeeahhh, kinda hit Post instead of preview. I'm such a fool :/ | ||
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Hesmyrr
Canada5776 Posts
orgolove LSB BrownBear lot more people need to vote since the point of voting system is to overwhelm with numbers, if three more people are not going to join in with the vote I am going to decide between the players who have vote on them. I am sure you guys don't want that so chop chop. I'll start scouring the thread now to place my vote too (which will count as normal 1 vote if the condition I just specified is met). | ||
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Hesmyrr
Canada5776 Posts
Also re-emphasizing that people need to vote with their reasonings or else. | ||
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Hesmyrr
Canada5776 Posts
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BrownBear
United States6894 Posts
So... yeah. Vote: Amber | ||
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Hesmyrr
Canada5776 Posts
Amber[Light] (2) orgolove BrownBear BrownBear (1) LSB This will not be insta-majority lynch but deadline (1hr~30min before day ends) lynch. | ||
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Amber[LighT]
United States5078 Posts
On November 14 2010 08:45 BrownBear wrote: I'll vote Amber, for now. I'm mostly curious to see if the possible connection between Amber and LSB is actually a connection as opposed to my paranoia. So... yeah. Vote: Amber There is no connection. Just like how there was none between DrH and me. It will be a wasted lynch. #vote: BrownBear | ||
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Pandain
United States12989 Posts
On November 13 2010 10:16 Pandain wrote: I don't think Amber Light is neccesarily wrong. I mean, Dr. H supported Amber Light's idea and he was blue. And even I do somewhat. I agree it should be a guideline, and the king should outline his reasons why in thread he's going to do something, but just because he's saying the king doesn't have to follow the town's majority isn't bad. Basically this. Because he supported this isn't nearly a good enough reason to lynch someone. ##Vote Brownbear | ||
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LSB
United States5171 Posts
On November 14 2010 06:34 BrownBear wrote: woops, did not mean to hit post there. my bad. Let me flesh out my point... So far, I don't see a logical reason to kill Amber. However, there's some fun little gems... And then 2 posts later... And currently, LSB has completely ignored, to the point where he hasn't even acknowledged, the bandwagon forming on Amber so that he can continue to dump suspicion on me. There are connections, they're actually pretty obvious. Note, LSB, I never actually said you were red. I said you have given me a bad vibe all game. It's hard to throw up hard analysis based on gut feelings, because falling into that trap is a bad way to play the game. A couple of your posts... This is not a very good argument for lynching an inactive. This is a game of 9 people, where we really cannot afford to slip up much at all, so under no circumstances should we be just "lynching an inactive because we have nothing better to do" we should be finding something better to do. Let's be honest, it's a pretty poor argument, but you say it in such certain terms. Generally, the people I've seen going "This is what we should do" about stupid shit are more likely than not to be mafia trying to mislead town. So, I never FoS'd you or said "HEY GUYS LSB IS RED" I just said you were giving me a bad feeling. And now you're connected (kinda tenuously, but still) to Amber, who's been coming under some hard suspicion. It doesn't really add up to me. In case you haven't noticed, my case against you Brownbear began when I was wondering why you suspected me. It didn't just began because Amber[Light] asked me to nicely. Also, Brownbear did not directly address points 2 and 3. (He just has an excuse for point number one, saying that he was inactive). Instead he just resorted to attacking me. However, his argument is increadibly flawed. Secondly, it would be one thing to suggest lynching an inactive on the first day, but another thing to push for lynching an inactive. Brownbear completely ignored this post. On November 10 2010 02:52 LSB wrote: As for lynching inactives, Coagulation is the only 'inactive' left, and based on his recent play, he's not the type to suddenly afk on the town. Coagulation, could you please be a bit more active and join the discussion? Thanks Anyways, we should now move discuss whether or not we should use Merlin I am against using Merlin, as it is a waste of a lynch. Remember, lylo is not delayed when we use Merlin. I said that there we no inactive left. And indeed the reason why I supported the Coag lynch was not because of his inactivity (He was quiet active under pressure). But because his answers to my questions were not satisfactory | ||
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