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annul
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kingjames01
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LSB
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Coagulation
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On December 19 2010 22:25 Ace wrote: lol oh my bad guys, I'm scum. *crickets chirp* | ||
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
On December 19 2010 22:56 annul wrote: what is your real power then? epic lying and information gathering. Province 13 Your allies are: Veldril Hesmyrr Resilient Mafia: You are known for being incredibly stubborn and hard to break: as such you automatically count as having a defender regardless of your night action. It also takes two tries to lynch you. But the town will be aware of this after your first failed lynch. You all know Hessmyrr's role already. He actually had to deal with real life things and couldn't participate much. Same with Veldril. Veldril's role was a Spy and he could get information about any province's role. He was No Lan Plan. Interestingly enough I never got aid from any of them because I never needed it. I sold the idea that I was a Vet with auto +1 defense and immune to lynches to people which actually wasn't far fetched. The problem with trying to paint me scum via getting aid was the reason it was hard for you guys to get support. Likewise announcing you have an alliance over there doesn't really make people want to work with you either. Either way we actually were at a major disadvantage until Caller gave us help. With no ability to kill early on this was a brutal game for Scum. | ||
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annul
United States2841 Posts
"It also takes two tries to lynch you. But the town will be aware of this after your first failed lynch." no, town was not aware of this. town knew lynch failed, the town did NOT know it "takes two tries" | ||
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annul
United States2841 Posts
like you didnt lie whatsoever about your role, other than the unlynchable element, which caller broke by not actually revealing. you told the truth re: your role (to me, anyway) just your alignment was obscured. i really don't understand how you can possibly get that role as a mafia, but -shrug- | ||
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
We started with 3 Mafia and had no idea about the total or who else was Scum. Jcarl was added to our team but we didn't know. There were more Scum I think but I don't know who they were. Jcarl contacted me and told me he was Scum and started assassinating people. The ONLY reason we had a shot at winning was because of him finding me. Why wouldn't mafia have that role? Remember when the game started we can't actually kill anyone. So really survival was a pretty good tradeoff. Imagine a game where the Mafia can't kill townies, and in fact no one can "die" but everyone can increase their own voting power - it's in Town's best interest to just gobble all their voting power and snuff the Scum out. We were in a tough position. | ||
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Chezinu
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jcarlsoniv
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On December 20 2010 21:21 Ace wrote: Actually I talked to Caller about that. I argued that once I live then clearly everyone would know I didn't die so am I going to be flipped as Scum? I think he meant to have me flip Scum but I said wouldn't it be kind of obvious once I live? Besides the way I lied about it made the game a little better imo. We started with 3 Mafia and had no idea about the total or who else was Scum. Jcarl was added to our team but we didn't know. There were more Scum I think but I don't know who they were. Jcarl contacted me and told me he was Scum and started assassinating people. The ONLY reason we had a shot at winning was because of him finding me. Why wouldn't mafia have that role? Remember when the game started we can't actually kill anyone. So really survival was a pretty good tradeoff. Imagine a game where the Mafia can't kill townies, and in fact no one can "die" but everyone can increase their own voting power - it's in Town's best interest to just gobble all their voting power and snuff the Scum out. We were in a tough position. Lol yay me! so here's the deal. you've been on the inside with a certain person named Perry. Apparently he's a man from the American branch of the Shinmafigumi, and offers you, a deposed lord, a deal. You provide the connections on the mainland, and in a day or so he provides you the troops to take a territory. The catch is, you've gotta join the Shinmafiagumi. But you won't know who they are, either. You up for it? note: this is strictly confidential. You may not disclose this to anybody else. If I hear about it from somebody else I will be most displeased. Modkill displeased. a) your province name will be "shimafigumi" as will any other people (if any) that accepted this offer. You guys will also be the same color and shit but you get an action each. b) you dont get no powers back c) you may not even get away with it your attack might fail what will happen is you send me a province at (this) night (bordered by sea) that you want to attack. If your attack is successful then you just got a province. If not, well you lost your chance just for shits and giggles im giving you the power to kill off one player of your choice every night. it'll function like a lynch. it won't work on certain roles, though. I was pretty convinced that Ace was scum, so I took the gamble and claimed to him. That was the only reason scum had a shot with winning. Caller couldn't have given this role to a better person. I was in with NIKZ, and somewhat with SIFZ, although LSB was not very good at keeping myself and KJ informed while all 3 of us were in a backdoor alliance. I had a lot of information, and I knew where everyone was from the get go. | ||
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Chezinu
United States7432 Posts
want to try and guess my role now? ..or are you still not talking to me? | ||
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kingjames01
Canada1603 Posts
Actually, Ace, you're misrepresenting the situation. What information did YOU actually gather? Maybe you just don't understand what happened this game. At the beginning of this game, LSB, jcarlsoniv and I started an alliance in PMs. Between the 3 of us and what was posted in the thread, we worked out the locations of all but 6 players. I was being bombarded via PMs for my location and actions, but of course, the key to success in any PM game is to keep the PM circle small. After 3 days of PMs back and forth, I finally allowed let Chezinu know my location. I don't believe that I ever gave Pandain the same information. During the day that many of the players were silenced, I hinted to ghrur where I was. I never told anyone else where I was. The "information gathering" that you're alluding to is probably the spreadsheet that jcarlsoniv GAVE to you with all of the information that we worked so hard to put together. It wasn't hard to peg you or Hesmyrr as mafia. I was actually suprised that you both gave yourselves up that easily. At one point, I was considering that based upon your reputation you would never have been playing so poorly. Then you went and sealed your fate and now I'm not so sure about what that means. Also, I predicted that you would be able to dodge the lynch once. On November 20 2010 10:10 kingjames01 wrote: Added comment: Since the nefarious evil-doers are pushing Ace, I suspect he has the ability to dodge a lynch once. In the past Mafia games where I have been Town, I have been Night Killed early due to my vocal and loud scum hunting in the thread. This game, Caller did not indicate that Mafia had any Night Kill abilities. After Night 1 when no players had been eliminated by the Mafia I decided that it would be safe for me to be relentless and lead the Town to victory. Since there were no Mafia Night Kills, no one knew where I was, and I was safe from lynching, the only way to eliminate me would be Attack randomly and hope to find me or for Caller to introduce an assassination mechanic. With this freedom, I hunted the Mafia using the thread, and via PMs. The town was very complacent when it came to actually using their lynches. We missed 3 or more lynches just because we couldn't achieve a majority. I worked my ass off trying to get a unified Town for the lynch votes. I even tried to fake that I had been silenced by the Shimafigumi to keep the Mafia unaware of my location. Fortunately for Mafia, Caller did introduce Night Kills. jcarlsoniv explained to me after I was assassinated that he began the game as Town. Only after he lost his Province during Night 1, did Caller tell him that he had a chance to become Mafia. I don't think Caller predicted what would happen though. Maybe he didn't know that jcarlsoniv, LSB and I were in communication outside of the thread and that I had already worked out almost everyone's location. Giving jcarlsoniv the ability to assassinate a target of his choice automatically meant that Mafia was able to pinpoint every last player in the game, as well as, remove me from the game. That was saddening for me since I was operating on the assumption that I would be safe right up until the end. We knew the identities of 2 of the mafia and it would only have been a matter of time before we found Veldril. I had it narrowed down to either him or CubEdIn and when Veldril started being active I got him too. However, I was dead. =) This game was very frustrating because we, the players, were not battling each other as much as we were battling the host and game mechanics. Caller was not prompt (and that's being nice). His use of hidden mechanics would have been okay had he been more involved with the game. The decision to allow jcarlsoniv to be a Traitor and then, in addition, give him a Night Kill Power turned out to be a poor one since it completely reversed the outlook of the game. It didn't guarantee a Mafia victory but THE MOD'S INTERFERENCE drastically altered the flow of the game. I joined this game to play against other players who began the game with the same advantages/disadvantages. I didn't sign up to play against the mod. Sengoku was a good idea and I would play again but Caller's intervention is too much of a random element. This was supposed to be a strategy game. I thought I would be playing Chess. Instead it turned out to be Snakes and Ladders. | ||
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
My information gathering was from the multiple PMs with people plus Veldril's role (this is why Jcarl was scared to hit Chez since we knew he was a Ronin). DC, annul, Cubed, and Coag all had PMs with me even though I hardly trusted Coag because he was being flaky on the backstab with SIFZ v_v I may have forgotten someone but with them, the info from Veldril and Hess + just reading the thread it didn't take long to figure out a good amount of stuff. By the time Jcarl contacted me I had almost everything I needed to know about everyone near me anyway since I was sure no one was strong enough to kill me while I was a threat to everyone at night. You can ask Caller about this but I had to take a major gamble with Hess: I had to pretty much out myself as Scum without saying it to try and draw some votes from him. Hess actually got back late the night I told him to attack and that led to a long chain of events that ended up with him dying. With only 3 of us and Hess having that insanely good role I had no choice. Like I said before this game was heavily favored for the Town. With no risks of dying and 3 of us vs 21 other players (1:8 is insane) I don't see how you can complain. | ||
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LSB
United States5171 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + Original Message From Caller: not formally go make friends with people ----------------------------------------- Original Message From LSB: Do I have any allies? ----------------------------------------- Original Message From Caller: Province 30 Role:You’re not a huge fan of lords (read: communist)-you’d rather Liquidia be a happy democratic country instead of the feudalistic society it is. To do so, you’ll need to overthrow all your enemies by taking them over. But don’t worry about getting wiped out: as long as there are neutral countries, people will rise up for you. Just make sure not to die when there aren’t any left. So I got this great idea, I would contact the missionary and then I would find some allies that way... Caller said no + Show Spoiler + ----------------------------------------- Original Message From Caller: for townies and mafia they win with the missionary. im sorry, i got confused. as a communist you cannot be converted by the missionary. the missionary won't know though. ----------------------------------------- Original Message From LSB: Intresting... So it's going to be really hard for me to win... Hmm... will the conversion 'still go through?' ie the missionary thinks I'm converted? Also, if a townie gets converted, will the townie win with the missionary? If a mafia gets converted, will the mafia win with the missionary? ----------------------------------------- Original Message From Caller: i should add though that your goal remains the same, regardless of being converted-i.e. you dont win with the missionaries, you win by wiping out the feudal lords. you'll see what i mean by that in a bit ^_^ ----------------------------------------- Original Message From LSB: I'm communist. If I'm converted by the missionary and then I die, will I still be revived? If I'm lynched, will I still be revived? I was Communist. Do I get any special powers that make me unlynchabe? Nope, all I get is that if I lose all my territories at night, a Huge sign saying "Io Way is Communist" appears and it becomes a game of wack a mole. So the plan was to have SIFZ take over, and then it would just be a 1v2 battle, which is much better chances than a 1v23 battle. About SIFZ All right, now about SIFZ. It was incredibly successful. Partly because there was no mafia inside, but partly because we got lucky and contacted the missionary and Coagulation. Here's our quicktopic http://www.quicktopic.com/45/H/i36KzaEtPaNWj. Now since I made contact with the missionary, the plan was to first take over, and then have the missionary convert our enemies. Of course, this didn't turn out that well because we were so busy, trying to fight Hessmyr and scared of OpZ, so our missionary didn't get anything done. | ||
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kingjames01
Canada1603 Posts
On December 21 2010 02:42 Ace wrote: Like I said before this game was heavily favored for the Town. With no risks of dying and 3 of us vs 21 other players (1:8 is insane) I don't see how you can complain. No, I knew that it would be very hard for Mafia to win. That's why I can at least understand that Caller was forced to alter the game. However, Caller should have considered all of this and made it so that he would not HAVE to interfere. The decision to allow jcarlsoniv to have a Night Kill Power was made mid-game. This game was a mess right from the beginning. I've said before that players should be battling each other, not the host nor the game mechanics. Caller needed to keep tight control of the game. By not posting the Day and Night posts on time, he introduced an element of chaos into a forum game. From a game design point-of-view, this should never be allowed to happen. If players are even slightly invested in a game, then the host has a duty to moderate the game. I put a lot of time and effort into this game. I feel that Caller could have and definitely should have shown more effort. | ||
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Chezinu
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