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Hesmyrr
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada5776 Posts
November 15 2010 21:33 GMT
#421
Yes, because by that time Ace and that other guy was starting to raise ruckus on the thread that aggression was necessity, and as I have repeatedly stated pacifistic approach only works if everyone - at least those in position of power - is willing to follow it. It was also in my interest to get assurance that my province won't be backstabbed by SIFZ since I was planning on grabbing the neutral province like everyone else anyway (by that time newer map with #26 nation was not present if you remember). There's so much pro-town and pro-self motivation in order for me to persuade SIFZ into being non-aggressive besides big bad mole theory that it isn't even funny.
"If watching the MSL finals makes you a progamer, then anyone in Korea can do it." - Ha Tae Ki
Ace
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States16096 Posts
November 15 2010 21:34 GMT
#422
I'm panicking? Show me panic. the guy has ONE vote on him with a shit case.

If there is a mole in SIFZ and Hessmyrr is scum then Hessmyrr would defend unless he knows that he can safely take 25.

If he knows that he can safely take 25 then the 2 other countries bordering it would also be scum. Which would be freaking stupid then wouldn't it? Because 22 would be Scum, knowing the attack is coming and then Hessmyrr defends, 24 just takes 25 and 22 pops 23 - locking your shit alliance between 3 scum and a mole.

Hello captain logic!
Math me up, scumboi. - Acrofales
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
November 15 2010 21:36 GMT
#423
LSB, did two countries together attack Hesmyrr? Because then wouldn't just defending lead to him dying anyway, and the preferred thing therefore WOULD be to attack 25.
Hesmyrr
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada5776 Posts
November 15 2010 21:36 GMT
#424
"Why would Hesmyrr not defend himself?"
The answer is:
If Hesmyrr knew that he was going to be able to secure Province 25, then he could cast doubt on SFIZ. This would lead to an innocent being lynched and an advantage for mafia.

Repeating myself, I could have created a doubt on your alliance simply by defending myself and revealing that I had been hit.

"How did he get Province 25?"
Well, obviously mafia coordinated so that Hesmyrr could take it.

Now you are suggesting that #24 you just wanted to contact on, and possibly #26 and #22 is mafia? Seriously?
"If watching the MSL finals makes you a progamer, then anyone in Korea can do it." - Ha Tae Ki
Ace
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States16096 Posts
November 15 2010 21:36 GMT
#425
On November 16 2010 06:31 kingjames01 wrote:

The answer is:
If Hesmyrr knew that he was going to be able to secure Province 25, then he could cast doubt on SFIZ. This would lead to an innocent being lynched and an advantage for mafia.



lol what? That doesn't even make sense.

Hessmyrr takes 25 - how does this cast doubt on SFIZ? Wow this is some really bad logic you got going on here.
Math me up, scumboi. - Acrofales
Hesmyrr
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada5776 Posts
November 15 2010 21:38 GMT
#426
oh wait, it isn't LSB who made the last post so the thing about #24 is kinda void, but it stil is terrible argument.
"If watching the MSL finals makes you a progamer, then anyone in Korea can do it." - Ha Tae Ki
Ace
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States16096 Posts
November 15 2010 21:40 GMT
#427
On November 16 2010 06:36 Pandain wrote:
LSB, did two countries together attack Hesmyrr? Because then wouldn't just defending lead to him dying anyway, and the preferred thing therefore WOULD be to attack 25.


2 countries hit Hessmyrr(27).

If they were allied, one of them would get 27. Neither did so we know they aren't allies. The hit failed.

If there was a mole in the Alliance, then Hessmyrr would know that an attack was only coming from 23 and either simply defend or hit 23.

Instead Hessmyrr did something completely unrelated and moved to 25 not expecting to be hit. If he is expecting to be hit or clearly knows a hit is coming he just defends.

The ONLY way Hessmyrr could know all of this information about a hit coming AND take 25 is if 24 and 22 are also Scum.

But they can't be, because 22 would have simply killed 23 while Hessmyrr defends or Hessmyrr and 22 just BOTH pop 23.

Hence the case against Hessmyrr doesn't add up because his actions show he couldn't have known about the hit.
Math me up, scumboi. - Acrofales
LSB
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5171 Posts
November 15 2010 21:42 GMT
#428
On November 16 2010 06:36 Pandain wrote:
LSB, did two countries together attack Hesmyrr? Because then wouldn't just defending lead to him dying anyway, and the preferred thing therefore WOULD be to attack 25.

Last night Countries 26 and 23 attacked 27.

Although now Caller tells us that if he just defended he would have still lived, I can safely say that probably Hesmyrr was not aware of that fact.
Once is an accident. Twice is coincidence. Three times is an enemy action. Bus Driver can never target themselves I'm sorry
Ace
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States16096 Posts
November 15 2010 21:45 GMT
#429
Jesus...read the rules CAREFULLY.

LSB you almost made my trigger finger itchy.

You don't wanna do that now do you?

Math me up, scumboi. - Acrofales
Hesmyrr
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada5776 Posts
November 15 2010 21:45 GMT
#430
On November 15 2010 22:06 Hesmyrr wrote:
To my experience, Caller always find a way to extend the original deadline in strange ways =/
The Caller's confirmation that unofficial PM alliance do not stack their kills is good news though (I just asked him via PM and he confirmed it); should help to reduce the chaos somewhat if defending oneself is almost assured protection til nation with multiple province/fronts appears as long as gunpowder/elite soldier roles don't behave stupidly.

seven hours before the night post in which I could have changed my actions any time. Thanks.
"If watching the MSL finals makes you a progamer, then anyone in Korea can do it." - Ha Tae Ki
kingjames01
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
Canada1603 Posts
November 15 2010 21:48 GMT
#431
On November 16 2010 06:40 Ace wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 16 2010 06:36 Pandain wrote:
LSB, did two countries together attack Hesmyrr? Because then wouldn't just defending lead to him dying anyway, and the preferred thing therefore WOULD be to attack 25.


2 countries hit Hessmyrr(27).

If they were allied, one of them would get 27. Neither did so we know they aren't allies. The hit failed.

If there was a mole in the Alliance, then Hessmyrr would know that an attack was only coming from 23 and either simply defend or hit 23.

Instead Hessmyrr did something completely unrelated and moved to 25 not expecting to be hit. If he is expecting to be hit or clearly knows a hit is coming he just defends.

The ONLY way Hessmyrr could know all of this information about a hit coming AND take 25 is if 24 and 22 are also Scum.

But they can't be, because 22 would have simply killed 23 while Hessmyrr defends or Hessmyrr and 22 just BOTH pop 23.

Hence the case against Hessmyrr doesn't add up because his actions show he couldn't have known about the hit.


Okay, no, I misunderstood the circumstances of the Night actions, as well as, the mechanic of defending. From this line of reasoning, I'm going to openly say that I was wrong and Hesmyrr did not know that he was going to be attacked.

Who would sup with the mighty, must walk the path of daggers.
LSB
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5171 Posts
November 15 2010 21:51 GMT
#432
On November 16 2010 06:45 Ace wrote:
Jesus...read the rules CAREFULLY.

LSB you almost made my trigger finger itchy.

You don't wanna do that now do you?


You claim, I claim, and we fight to the death?

On November 16 2010 06:45 Hesmyrr wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 15 2010 22:06 Hesmyrr wrote:
To my experience, Caller always find a way to extend the original deadline in strange ways =/
The Caller's confirmation that unofficial PM alliance do not stack their kills is good news though (I just asked him via PM and he confirmed it); should help to reduce the chaos somewhat if defending oneself is almost assured protection til nation with multiple province/fronts appears as long as gunpowder/elite soldier roles don't behave stupidly.

seven hours before the night post in which I could have changed my actions any time. Thanks.

All right, its good that you posted that.

I'll lay off you unless country 24 brings up interesting information
Once is an accident. Twice is coincidence. Three times is an enemy action. Bus Driver can never target themselves I'm sorry
kingjames01
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
Canada1603 Posts
November 15 2010 21:52 GMT
#433
LSB, you need to get SFIZ under control.
Two different Provinces attacking 1 Province? You should have done the following:

28 Assist 26,
26 Attack 27,

30 Assist 23,
23 Assist 22,
22 Attack 25.
Who would sup with the mighty, must walk the path of daggers.
Ace
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States16096 Posts
November 15 2010 21:54 GMT
#434
On November 16 2010 06:51 LSB wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 16 2010 06:45 Ace wrote:
Jesus...read the rules CAREFULLY.

LSB you almost made my trigger finger itchy.

You don't wanna do that now do you?


You claim, I claim, and we fight to the death?



Yes, it might just have to come to that. I'm going to start taking out your members one by one starting tonight. Not sure which country I should aim for first though.
Math me up, scumboi. - Acrofales
kingjames01
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
Canada1603 Posts
November 15 2010 21:55 GMT
#435
On November 16 2010 06:51 LSB wrote:
I'll lay off you unless country 24 brings up interesting information


Assuming 24 is Town, the 24 COULD NOT have attacked 25 last night. We know that Hesmyrr (27) took 25. If two Provinces from different factions attack the same Province, then no one gets it.

So, the only way that 24 attacked 25 last night was if 24 was mafia. If 24 was mafia, I doubt he'd tell you anything...
Who would sup with the mighty, must walk the path of daggers.
Hesmyrr
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada5776 Posts
November 15 2010 21:55 GMT
#436
Also reminding everyone that LSB wasn't the only one who made the attack (apparently way more than I expected) exploiting those trying to attack neutral lands. Should pay greater attention to those nation's future actions. Pandain's lurker vote is another interesting dimension we might choose to consider today.
"If watching the MSL finals makes you a progamer, then anyone in Korea can do it." - Ha Tae Ki
LSB
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5171 Posts
November 15 2010 21:55 GMT
#437
On November 16 2010 06:54 Ace wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 16 2010 06:51 LSB wrote:
On November 16 2010 06:45 Ace wrote:
Jesus...read the rules CAREFULLY.

LSB you almost made my trigger finger itchy.

You don't wanna do that now do you?


You claim, I claim, and we fight to the death?



Yes, it might just have to come to that. I'm going to start taking out your members one by one starting tonight. Not sure which country I should aim for first though.

Intresting
Once is an accident. Twice is coincidence. Three times is an enemy action. Bus Driver can never target themselves I'm sorry
kingjames01
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
Canada1603 Posts
November 15 2010 21:57 GMT
#438
On November 16 2010 06:54 Ace wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 16 2010 06:51 LSB wrote:
On November 16 2010 06:45 Ace wrote:
Jesus...read the rules CAREFULLY.

LSB you almost made my trigger finger itchy.

You don't wanna do that now do you?


You claim, I claim, and we fight to the death?



Yes, it might just have to come to that. I'm going to start taking out your members one by one starting tonight. Not sure which country I should aim for first though.


What does this mean? Ace are you in SFIZ? If not, the only other way to get access to SFIZ is if you had a Naval Force. However, you can only use that Power once... Do you have some sort of secret Power?

Who would sup with the mighty, must walk the path of daggers.
Ace
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States16096 Posts
November 15 2010 21:57 GMT
#439
BC isn't even in this game, Pandain is just being useless.
Math me up, scumboi. - Acrofales
Ace
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States16096 Posts
November 15 2010 22:00 GMT
#440
On November 16 2010 06:57 kingjames01 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 16 2010 06:54 Ace wrote:
On November 16 2010 06:51 LSB wrote:
On November 16 2010 06:45 Ace wrote:
Jesus...read the rules CAREFULLY.

LSB you almost made my trigger finger itchy.

You don't wanna do that now do you?


You claim, I claim, and we fight to the death?



Yes, it might just have to come to that. I'm going to start taking out your members one by one starting tonight. Not sure which country I should aim for first though.


What does this mean? Ace are you in SFIZ? If not, the only other way to get access to SFIZ is if you had a Naval Force. However, you can only use that Power once... Do you have some sort of secret Power?



Math me up, scumboi. - Acrofales
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