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Hesmyrr
Canada5776 Posts
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
If there is a mole in SIFZ and Hessmyrr is scum then Hessmyrr would defend unless he knows that he can safely take 25. If he knows that he can safely take 25 then the 2 other countries bordering it would also be scum. Which would be freaking stupid then wouldn't it? Because 22 would be Scum, knowing the attack is coming and then Hessmyrr defends, 24 just takes 25 and 22 pops 23 - locking your shit alliance between 3 scum and a mole. Hello captain logic! | ||
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Pandain
United States12984 Posts
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Hesmyrr
Canada5776 Posts
"Why would Hesmyrr not defend himself?" The answer is: If Hesmyrr knew that he was going to be able to secure Province 25, then he could cast doubt on SFIZ. This would lead to an innocent being lynched and an advantage for mafia. Repeating myself, I could have created a doubt on your alliance simply by defending myself and revealing that I had been hit. "How did he get Province 25?" Well, obviously mafia coordinated so that Hesmyrr could take it. Now you are suggesting that #24 you just wanted to contact on, and possibly #26 and #22 is mafia? Seriously? | ||
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
On November 16 2010 06:31 kingjames01 wrote: The answer is: If Hesmyrr knew that he was going to be able to secure Province 25, then he could cast doubt on SFIZ. This would lead to an innocent being lynched and an advantage for mafia. lol what? That doesn't even make sense. Hessmyrr takes 25 - how does this cast doubt on SFIZ? Wow this is some really bad logic you got going on here. | ||
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Hesmyrr
Canada5776 Posts
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
On November 16 2010 06:36 Pandain wrote: LSB, did two countries together attack Hesmyrr? Because then wouldn't just defending lead to him dying anyway, and the preferred thing therefore WOULD be to attack 25. 2 countries hit Hessmyrr(27). If they were allied, one of them would get 27. Neither did so we know they aren't allies. The hit failed. If there was a mole in the Alliance, then Hessmyrr would know that an attack was only coming from 23 and either simply defend or hit 23. Instead Hessmyrr did something completely unrelated and moved to 25 not expecting to be hit. If he is expecting to be hit or clearly knows a hit is coming he just defends. The ONLY way Hessmyrr could know all of this information about a hit coming AND take 25 is if 24 and 22 are also Scum. But they can't be, because 22 would have simply killed 23 while Hessmyrr defends or Hessmyrr and 22 just BOTH pop 23. Hence the case against Hessmyrr doesn't add up because his actions show he couldn't have known about the hit. | ||
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LSB
United States5171 Posts
On November 16 2010 06:36 Pandain wrote: LSB, did two countries together attack Hesmyrr? Because then wouldn't just defending lead to him dying anyway, and the preferred thing therefore WOULD be to attack 25. Last night Countries 26 and 23 attacked 27. Although now Caller tells us that if he just defended he would have still lived, I can safely say that probably Hesmyrr was not aware of that fact. | ||
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
LSB you almost made my trigger finger itchy. You don't wanna do that now do you? | ||
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Hesmyrr
Canada5776 Posts
On November 15 2010 22:06 Hesmyrr wrote: To my experience, Caller always find a way to extend the original deadline in strange ways =/ The Caller's confirmation that unofficial PM alliance do not stack their kills is good news though (I just asked him via PM and he confirmed it); should help to reduce the chaos somewhat if defending oneself is almost assured protection til nation with multiple province/fronts appears as long as gunpowder/elite soldier roles don't behave stupidly. seven hours before the night post in which I could have changed my actions any time. Thanks. | ||
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kingjames01
Canada1603 Posts
On November 16 2010 06:40 Ace wrote: 2 countries hit Hessmyrr(27). If they were allied, one of them would get 27. Neither did so we know they aren't allies. The hit failed. If there was a mole in the Alliance, then Hessmyrr would know that an attack was only coming from 23 and either simply defend or hit 23. Instead Hessmyrr did something completely unrelated and moved to 25 not expecting to be hit. If he is expecting to be hit or clearly knows a hit is coming he just defends. The ONLY way Hessmyrr could know all of this information about a hit coming AND take 25 is if 24 and 22 are also Scum. But they can't be, because 22 would have simply killed 23 while Hessmyrr defends or Hessmyrr and 22 just BOTH pop 23. Hence the case against Hessmyrr doesn't add up because his actions show he couldn't have known about the hit. Okay, no, I misunderstood the circumstances of the Night actions, as well as, the mechanic of defending. From this line of reasoning, I'm going to openly say that I was wrong and Hesmyrr did not know that he was going to be attacked. | ||
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LSB
United States5171 Posts
On November 16 2010 06:45 Ace wrote: Jesus...read the rules CAREFULLY. LSB you almost made my trigger finger itchy. You don't wanna do that now do you? You claim, I claim, and we fight to the death? On November 16 2010 06:45 Hesmyrr wrote: seven hours before the night post in which I could have changed my actions any time. Thanks. All right, its good that you posted that. I'll lay off you unless country 24 brings up interesting information | ||
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kingjames01
Canada1603 Posts
Two different Provinces attacking 1 Province? You should have done the following: 28 Assist 26, 26 Attack 27, 30 Assist 23, 23 Assist 22, 22 Attack 25. | ||
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
On November 16 2010 06:51 LSB wrote: You claim, I claim, and we fight to the death? Yes, it might just have to come to that. I'm going to start taking out your members one by one starting tonight. Not sure which country I should aim for first though. | ||
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kingjames01
Canada1603 Posts
On November 16 2010 06:51 LSB wrote: I'll lay off you unless country 24 brings up interesting information Assuming 24 is Town, the 24 COULD NOT have attacked 25 last night. We know that Hesmyrr (27) took 25. If two Provinces from different factions attack the same Province, then no one gets it. So, the only way that 24 attacked 25 last night was if 24 was mafia. If 24 was mafia, I doubt he'd tell you anything... | ||
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Hesmyrr
Canada5776 Posts
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LSB
United States5171 Posts
On November 16 2010 06:54 Ace wrote: Yes, it might just have to come to that. I'm going to start taking out your members one by one starting tonight. Not sure which country I should aim for first though. Intresting | ||
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kingjames01
Canada1603 Posts
On November 16 2010 06:54 Ace wrote: Yes, it might just have to come to that. I'm going to start taking out your members one by one starting tonight. Not sure which country I should aim for first though. What does this mean? Ace are you in SFIZ? If not, the only other way to get access to SFIZ is if you had a Naval Force. However, you can only use that Power once... Do you have some sort of secret Power? | ||
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
On November 16 2010 06:57 kingjames01 wrote: What does this mean? Ace are you in SFIZ? If not, the only other way to get access to SFIZ is if you had a Naval Force. However, you can only use that Power once... Do you have some sort of secret Power?  | ||
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