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um....
If there is a mole in SIFZ and the mole is Scum and Hessmyrr is Scum and the mole told Hessmyrr he was going to get attacked... then what freaking sense does it make for Hessmyrr to attack a neutral territory instead of defending
What, does that mean 22 and 24 are Scum also since they "let" him get that territory?
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Uhh... no. I happening to contact you during day 1 while you guys were apparently discussing my demise contrarily to majority town concensus do not automatically lead to conclusion that there are mole within your faction and I am scum. What benefit do I gain from asking you the PM instead of just defending n1, and talking shit about you breaching the NAP (anti-town move) when it fails? Also if there are mole in your ranks, then I would have known that attack was coming.
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COUNTRY 24. Please PM me if you attacked Area 25 I can provide protect, and anonymity for you.
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oh isn't that interesting, so you guess his country and ask try to get a greasy role claim too?
So out of all the countries how did you have enough information to guess Hessmyrr is 27 in one shot?
And you even wanted to pop the poor guy when I could have sworn you wanted peace a day earlier.
Why lynch him when you're the one who seems to be playing shady?
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Here is the map from Night 1: + Show Spoiler +
Here is the updated map:
![[image loading]](http://imgur.com/E6Hd4.jpg)
I just did a quick job. Hopefully Coagulation makes a better one soon. This will help us visualize what happened.
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On November 16 2010 06:11 Hesmyrr wrote: Uhh... no. I happening to contact you during day 1 while you guys were apparently discussing my demise contrarily to majority town concensus do not automatically lead to conclusion that there are mole within your faction and I am scum. What benefit do I gain from asking you the PM instead of just defending n1, and talking shit about you breaching the NAP (anti-town move) when it fails? Also if there are mole in your ranks, then I would have known that attack was coming. Go discuss NAP in the thread. We already made it clear that we aren't going to do any girly sit on our hands play.
You on the other hand were going to try to persuade me to not do anything. If there was a mole in our ranks, you would have moved to country 25. Which is what you did.
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On November 16 2010 06:12 LSB wrote: COUNTRY 24. Please PM me if you attacked Area 25 I can provide protect, and anonymity for you. IF country 24 attacked me, there would have been two person attacking the same territory and it wouldn't have become mine then. I find it highly suspect that how you are trying to incorporate more people into joining your PM land by bringing very circumstantial argument out of nowhere. Hopefully #24 is smart enough not to follow your advice.
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On November 16 2010 06:12 Ace wrote: oh isn't that interesting, so you guess his country and ask try to get a greasy role claim too?
So out of all the countries how did you have enough information to guess Hessmyrr is 27 in one shot?
And you even wanted to pop the poor guy when I could have sworn you wanted peace a day earlier.
Why lynch him when you're the one who seems to be playing shady?
Since when have I wanted Peace? I've argued for war, you can go back through the thread to check.
And as for figuring out Hesmyrr?
He's concerned about the SIFZ.
If you someone like country 1, your not going to care. And especially since we're attacking 27, he's going to care a lot I only cared about country 27 anyways. Look at the map. The only country we can attack and take over is 27, and we can pressure 26.
Country 26 is with us in SIFZ, so POE leads us to Hesmyrr
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On November 16 2010 06:13 LSB wrote:Show nested quote +On November 16 2010 06:11 Hesmyrr wrote: Uhh... no. I happening to contact you during day 1 while you guys were apparently discussing my demise contrarily to majority town concensus do not automatically lead to conclusion that there are mole within your faction and I am scum. What benefit do I gain from asking you the PM instead of just defending n1, and talking shit about you breaching the NAP (anti-town move) when it fails? Also if there are mole in your ranks, then I would have known that attack was coming. Go discuss NAP in the thread. We already made it clear that we aren't going to do any girly sit on our hands play. You on the other hand were going to try to persuade me to not do anything. If there was a mole in our ranks, you would have moved to country 25. Which is what you did.
Are you really this dense? If he knows an attack is coming why would he MOVE TO A NEUTRAL COUNTRY that can be attacked by 2 other countries? If they attack he fails and has no provinces left. Hence if he knows an attack is coming HE WOULD DEFEND.
Lol wow this is such a sad, sad reason for trying to off someone.
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On November 16 2010 06:14 Hesmyrr wrote:Show nested quote +On November 16 2010 06:12 LSB wrote: COUNTRY 24. Please PM me if you attacked Area 25 I can provide protect, and anonymity for you. IF country 24 attacked me, there would have been two person attacking the same territory and it wouldn't have become mine then. I find it highly suspect that how you are trying to incorporate more people into joining your PM land by bringing very circumstantial argument out of nowhere. Hopefully #24 is smart enough not to follow your advice. Country 24, if you attacked area 25, we have found 2 scum. Please PM me if you did
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Oh cool, at least I know you're trying to war. Good idea imo.
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On November 16 2010 06:13 LSB wrote:Show nested quote +On November 16 2010 06:11 Hesmyrr wrote: Uhh... no. I happening to contact you during day 1 while you guys were apparently discussing my demise contrarily to majority town concensus do not automatically lead to conclusion that there are mole within your faction and I am scum. What benefit do I gain from asking you the PM instead of just defending n1, and talking shit about you breaching the NAP (anti-town move) when it fails? Also if there are mole in your ranks, then I would have known that attack was coming. Go discuss NAP in the thread. We already made it clear that we aren't going to do any girly sit on our hands play. You on the other hand were going to try to persuade me to not do anything. If there was a mole in our ranks, you would have moved to country 25. Which is what you did. Can you explain this statement, because I cannot understand leap of reasoning here. I'm astounded that people in your alliance believe what you are saying because I can't really see anyone agreeing to your case.
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Whatever, that Alliance is fucked anyway. I bet there's a Scum in there just waiting to form a "Town voting block" and start lynching innocents.
Oh wait...
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Country #24, don't contact LSB if you did not attack #25. You can come out and state that you attacked #25 and something wrong happened if you actually attacked. There's absolutely no reason you should have to personally contact LSB to disprove his outlandish suspicion. Makes me believe he is country-fishing actually.
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On November 16 2010 06:19 Hesmyrr wrote:Show nested quote +On November 16 2010 06:13 LSB wrote:On November 16 2010 06:11 Hesmyrr wrote: Uhh... no. I happening to contact you during day 1 while you guys were apparently discussing my demise contrarily to majority town concensus do not automatically lead to conclusion that there are mole within your faction and I am scum. What benefit do I gain from asking you the PM instead of just defending n1, and talking shit about you breaching the NAP (anti-town move) when it fails? Also if there are mole in your ranks, then I would have known that attack was coming. Go discuss NAP in the thread. We already made it clear that we aren't going to do any girly sit on our hands play. You on the other hand were going to try to persuade me to not do anything. If there was a mole in our ranks, you would have moved to country 25. Which is what you did. Can you explain this statement, because I cannot understand leap of reasoning here. I'm astounded that people in your alliance believe what you are saying because I can't really see anyone agreeing to your case. Go read the post
Do you wish to stay alive this game? Big bad wolves are our there. The way to win is to act, and destroy the mafia in their dens before they grow strong. If we're going to be sitting ducks, the mafia / communists will snap us up easily.
We are the hunters. The mafia will fear us. The communists will run. We are the SIFZ
On November 16 2010 06:20 Ace wrote: Whatever, that Alliance is fucked anyway. I bet there's a Scum in there just waiting to form a "Town voting block" and start lynching innocents.
Oh wait... What is your opinion of Hesmyrr's actions then?
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On November 16 2010 06:21 Hesmyrr wrote: Country #24, don't contact LSB if you did not attack #25. You can come out and state that you attacked #25 and something wrong happened if you actually attacked. There's absolutely no reason you should have to personally contact LSB to disprove his outlandish suspicion. Makes me believe he is country-fishing actually. Okay sure. You can do this if you want.
Or you could contact a third party or something. Just please tell us what you did last night.
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I say you Contact me because I was attacked(why would mafia defend), and I also like having secrets :p
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Actually that is a good point. 24 should not come out and reveal who he is, that would be pretty stupid lol.
@LSB: Those actions prove your theory is wrong. We know for sure that Hessmyrr can't be Scum AND there can't be Scum in your alliance or else Hessmyrr would have simply defended.
Since Hessmyrr attacked that means he either didn't know about your plan, or that the 2 other countries that could have hit 25 let him have it which would make them Scum.
The funny part about all of this is that 27 is now neutral and all 3 of them can fight for it again. yay!
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ummm LSB he attacked 27 last night. Why are you asking questions you know the answer to?
In fact, why are you trying to get so much information so fast? You're the only one that voted for him so far so what's up with this weak pressure? He isn't guilty of anything.
You know what, I don't like the smell of your alliance. Do I have to start smacking guys up over there for you people to act right?
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Okay, let's consider this situation:
- If the SFIZ included 22, 23, 26, 28, 29 and 30, then the only player that would be at risk would be Province 27.
- Province 25 wouldn't care cause it is neutral.
- If a person PMs LSB concerned about being attacked, then obviously that must be Province 27.
- The timing indicated by the PM indicates a very big coincidence or that information was shared outside of the SFIZ.
- Coincidence in a mafia game is highly indicative of scum and it is very likely that a "mole" was involved.
Conclusion: 1) Hesmyrr is mafia 2) There is a mole in SFIZ
Now, Ace and Hesmyrr seem to be panicking and making poorly thought-out arguments.
"Why would Hesmyrr not defend himself?" The answer is: If Hesmyrr knew that he was going to be able to secure Province 25, then he could cast doubt on SFIZ. This would lead to an innocent being lynched and an advantage for mafia.
"How did he get Province 25?" Well, obviously mafia coordinated so that Hesmyrr could take it.
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