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seRapH
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9777 Posts
November 15 2010 06:47 GMT
#361
On November 15 2010 15:43 Ace wrote:
Great now figure out who owns it. You can't.

Isn't this why I suggest a mass province claim? Worst that could happen with this is that we get Mafia x2 suspects. If there're 6 mafia that's 12 suspects. Not bad.

If caller meant that there's no way for town, even cooperating, to stack attacks then fine, half the plan is worthless.
boomer hands
Ace
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States16096 Posts
November 15 2010 06:51 GMT
#362
Well if you can get most of the town to mass province claim then fine. Just realize that unlike a game of Mafia dying at any given time is much more realistic since so many people can pop you.

Good luck with your plan!
Math me up, scumboi. - Acrofales
Caller
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Poland8075 Posts
November 15 2010 06:57 GMT
#363
i'm feeling lenient so you get 12 more hours for night actions.

seraph i already explained that only people on the same faction can stack. two random people can't say they will stack on a person. That's just silly when (in game) you don't have any solid trust with the other person.
Watch me fail at Paradox: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=397564
Coagulation
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States9633 Posts
November 15 2010 09:27 GMT
#364
On November 15 2010 15:57 Caller wrote:
i'm feeling lenient so you get 12 more hours for night actions.

seraph i already explained that only people on the same faction can stack. two random people can't say they will stack on a person. That's just silly when (in game) you don't have any solid trust with the other person.


you shouldnt slow the game down because people are 2 lazy to send in night actions. if they dont take the time to properly defend or w/e and get killed thats their own fault.. think of it as a modkill for being inactive except dished out by the active players.
Coagulation
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States9633 Posts
November 15 2010 09:31 GMT
#365
can you update my most recent map on front page or verify it is correct.
Hesmyrr
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada5776 Posts
November 15 2010 13:06 GMT
#366
To my experience, Caller always find a way to extend the original deadline in strange ways =/
The Caller's confirmation that unofficial PM alliance do not stack their kills is good news though (I just asked him via PM and he confirmed it); should help to reduce the chaos somewhat if defending oneself is almost assured protection til nation with multiple province/fronts appears as long as gunpowder/elite soldier roles don't behave stupidly.
"If watching the MSL finals makes you a progamer, then anyone in Korea can do it." - Ha Tae Ki
jcarlsoniv
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States27922 Posts
November 15 2010 13:09 GMT
#367
On November 15 2010 15:57 Caller wrote:
i'm feeling lenient so you get 12 more hours for night actions.

seraph i already explained that only people on the same faction can stack. two random people can't say they will stack on a person. That's just silly when (in game) you don't have any solid trust with the other person.


-_- longest mafia game ever...
Soniv ||| Soniv#1962 ||| @jcarlsoniv ||| The Big Golem ||| Join the Glorious Evolution. What's your favorite aminal, a bear? ||| Joe "Don't call me Daniel" "Soniv" "Daniel" Carlsberg LXIX ||| Paging Dr. John Shadow
LSB
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5171 Posts
November 15 2010 14:42 GMT
#368
On November 15 2010 15:47 seRapH wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 15 2010 15:43 Ace wrote:
Great now figure out who owns it. You can't.

Isn't this why I suggest a mass province claim? Worst that could happen with this is that we get Mafia x2 suspects. If there're 6 mafia that's 12 suspects. Not bad.

If caller meant that there's no way for town, even cooperating, to stack attacks then fine, half the plan is worthless.

Feel free to claim. I'm listening
Once is an accident. Twice is coincidence. Three times is an enemy action. Bus Driver can never target themselves I'm sorry
LSB
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5171 Posts
November 15 2010 14:43 GMT
#369
On November 15 2010 14:15 Ace wrote:
3.) Read the rules: You CANT PUNISH PEOPLE FOR ATTACKING! So you don't know who claimed what province. Fine. Let's just all gang up on the guy who was aggressive and pop him! WHOOPS!

Show nested quote +

Defend-makes you immune to almost all attacks except by multiple people of the same affiliation or with some sort of special ability. So if two people that aren't directly allied attack you with your Defense up, they can't harm you. But if they are both mafia for example, then unless you are being counterattacked (for instance, if someone attacks one of the mafia) or have aid sent, you will be in trouble.


What's that? The player that pops someone Night 1, who is suspected of being Scum because he didn't play by your non-majority sanctioned little rules ends up taking someone out of the game and defends on Night 2. Oh snap - you can't punish him! Why? Because you need players that are directly allied to break him. Are all pro-town players directly allied? I don't see that anywhere in the rules, especially since you know, Caller hinted at this being broken up into factions.

Oh wow, that changes a lot
Once is an accident. Twice is coincidence. Three times is an enemy action. Bus Driver can never target themselves I'm sorry
jcarlsoniv
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States27922 Posts
November 15 2010 15:00 GMT
#370
On November 15 2010 23:43 LSB wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 15 2010 14:15 Ace wrote:
3.) Read the rules: You CANT PUNISH PEOPLE FOR ATTACKING! So you don't know who claimed what province. Fine. Let's just all gang up on the guy who was aggressive and pop him! WHOOPS!


Defend-makes you immune to almost all attacks except by multiple people of the same affiliation or with some sort of special ability. So if two people that aren't directly allied attack you with your Defense up, they can't harm you. But if they are both mafia for example, then unless you are being counterattacked (for instance, if someone attacks one of the mafia) or have aid sent, you will be in trouble.


What's that? The player that pops someone Night 1, who is suspected of being Scum because he didn't play by your non-majority sanctioned little rules ends up taking someone out of the game and defends on Night 2. Oh snap - you can't punish him! Why? Because you need players that are directly allied to break him. Are all pro-town players directly allied? I don't see that anywhere in the rules, especially since you know, Caller hinted at this being broken up into factions.

Oh wow, that changes a lot


This is something I thought everyone realized.

The only way to really punish an attacker is to lynch him. Or to use a special blue role or something. But in order to lynch, you must convince everyone to lynch. Thus, seraph, your plan is hardly "fail-safe".
Soniv ||| Soniv#1962 ||| @jcarlsoniv ||| The Big Golem ||| Join the Glorious Evolution. What's your favorite aminal, a bear? ||| Joe "Don't call me Daniel" "Soniv" "Daniel" Carlsberg LXIX ||| Paging Dr. John Shadow
Veldril
Profile Joined August 2010
Thailand1817 Posts
November 15 2010 15:01 GMT
#371
I think people who are surrounded by other occupied provinces just need to defend if there's no neutral province to take. I would somehow ensure that you would survive the night. And if you don't, then it would give us clues that people who take your province have allies nearby so we can prepare for future actions.
Without love, we can't see anything. Without love, the truth can't be seen. - Umineko no Naku Koro Ni
Ace
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States16096 Posts
November 15 2010 15:21 GMT
#372
On November 16 2010 00:00 jcarlsoniv wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 15 2010 23:43 LSB wrote:
On November 15 2010 14:15 Ace wrote:
3.) Read the rules: You CANT PUNISH PEOPLE FOR ATTACKING! So you don't know who claimed what province. Fine. Let's just all gang up on the guy who was aggressive and pop him! WHOOPS!


Defend-makes you immune to almost all attacks except by multiple people of the same affiliation or with some sort of special ability. So if two people that aren't directly allied attack you with your Defense up, they can't harm you. But if they are both mafia for example, then unless you are being counterattacked (for instance, if someone attacks one of the mafia) or have aid sent, you will be in trouble.


What's that? The player that pops someone Night 1, who is suspected of being Scum because he didn't play by your non-majority sanctioned little rules ends up taking someone out of the game and defends on Night 2. Oh snap - you can't punish him! Why? Because you need players that are directly allied to break him. Are all pro-town players directly allied? I don't see that anywhere in the rules, especially since you know, Caller hinted at this being broken up into factions.

Oh wow, that changes a lot


This is something I thought everyone realized.

The only way to really punish an attacker is to lynch him. Or to use a special blue role or something. But in order to lynch, you must convince everyone to lynch. Thus, seraph, your plan is hardly "fail-safe".


Either everyone doesn't read the rules or they are scum trying to lol us with some crap plan.

So seraph, LSB are you bad townies or genius scum?
Math me up, scumboi. - Acrofales
Coagulation
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States9633 Posts
November 15 2010 15:44 GMT
#373
I feel fairly certain lsb is pro town
I couldnt imagine a mafia would feel the need to build an alliance solely based on geographical location.

seraph however from his posting in this thread and a brief exchange of pm's i feel might be up to something.
Coagulation
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States9633 Posts
November 15 2010 15:45 GMT
#374
anyway the anticipation is killing me. I really hope i didnt get taken out night 1.
Ace
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States16096 Posts
November 15 2010 15:49 GMT
#375
hey man be careful in those PM networks. Don't reveal your country or role to ANYONE.
Math me up, scumboi. - Acrofales
jcarlsoniv
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States27922 Posts
November 15 2010 16:05 GMT
#376
On November 16 2010 00:44 Coagulation wrote:
I feel fairly certain lsb is pro town
I couldnt imagine a mafia would feel the need to build an alliance solely based on geographical location.

seraph however from his posting in this thread and a brief exchange of pm's i feel might be up to something.


I agree that I don't think LSB is scum just because he didn't read the rules seeing as he has been arguing with seraph over being passive the whole time. However, if you're going to play, you have to read the freaking rules...

I don't feel as sure about seraph. The only thing that makes me feel like he is town is the fact that he came out with his non-aggression plan immediately, and is no sticking his neck out because of it. However, this can get a little WIFOM, so I don't want to dwell on it.

As Ace said, PM land can be dangerous, be careful.
Soniv ||| Soniv#1962 ||| @jcarlsoniv ||| The Big Golem ||| Join the Glorious Evolution. What's your favorite aminal, a bear? ||| Joe "Don't call me Daniel" "Soniv" "Daniel" Carlsberg LXIX ||| Paging Dr. John Shadow
Ace
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States16096 Posts
November 15 2010 17:16 GMT
#377
god DAMN Caller what's the hold up? I've gotta see how much extra land I conquered last night.
Math me up, scumboi. - Acrofales
Chezinu
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States7456 Posts
November 15 2010 17:56 GMT
#378
On November 16 2010 02:16 Ace wrote:
god DAMN Caller what's the hold up? I've gotta see how much extra land I conquered last night.

I was thinking the same thing, I want to see my empire expand!
lol, clueless in The Prism!
Veldril
Profile Joined August 2010
Thailand1817 Posts
November 15 2010 18:52 GMT
#379
The anticipation..... is... killling meeeee...... (Time to go to bed, see ya guys).
Without love, we can't see anything. Without love, the truth can't be seen. - Umineko no Naku Koro Ni
Caller
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Poland8075 Posts
November 15 2010 19:50 GMT
#380
as soon as Coagulation posts the updated map we'll be good to go.
Watch me fail at Paradox: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=397564
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