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??? In that case why not ask for medic protection, or at the very least propose a good plan that would warrant you getting Mayor votes. You're entire platform comes down to a pretty weak reason and on top of that several players already jumped at the chance to vote for you off of that. Now I doubt all of them are that ridiculously dumb to: 1.) be in your circle and trust that you are innocent so early in the game 2.) Not think 1 step ahead and realize that if they are indeed part of your circle then it may not be the smartest idea to immediately out themselves 3.) Lastly if there are other factions that can talk to each other, then Fishball's circle may not even be a town circle. So now these players need to explain how they are so trustworthy of Fishball so fast. There can't BE a circle if Fishball already knows that all the member's do not know each other's alignment. On October 29 2010 14:13 infinitestory wrote: Definitely agree. Fishball's promise that he will give a full roleclaim if and when he is elected makes me feel safer about this. If his roleclaim ends up being bull, we'll probably find out quickly. However, I think we need to make sure that "highly scrutinized" clause DrH talks about here is well kept. Mayor may be an elected position of power, but that is by no means synonymous with town, especially with regards to someone campaigning for the position. You wouldn't believe this but people lie about giving you information after you do something for them. See any game with a Scum Mayor. Secondly if Fishball lies about his role claim and we have no role list then how will we know? You can't. On October 29 2010 14:55 youngminii wrote: I buy fishball's story. I don't buy bum's. It's posts like this that I'm talking about. You buy Fishball's story with no explanation even though nothing about his claim can be proven. | ||
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Both of you have played Mafia before so why run on this platform? You SHOULD be able to run without revealing so much critical information on Day 1. If neither of you gets Mayor you're a good target for scum kill now. If there's so many people with the ability to communicate then why couldn't you just keep quiet, use your ability Night 1 and then start owning faces Day 2? As it is you've given up a lot of information in a desperate plea to get elected and, if you are as good at this game as you think you are you should know that's a big no no. My vote is going to bumatlarge if he's still running, or Pandain. No one knows anyone else's alignment right now except for Scum. That being said I would have voted for Fishball if he didn't try such an illogical gambit for Mayor. | ||
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Being Mayor doesn't help you confirm yourself as being pro-town. If someone that can protect you believes you are that important, you'll get your protection tonight and then do what you need to do to be confirmed. If confirming yourself is such a big deal you certainly did not have to draw so much attention to yourself like this. You could have quietly done what you needed to do Night 1 and then came out on Day 2 with what is needed. It's your lack of foresight that's also barring me from voting for you. The one thing working in your favor though is that you're so bad at being Scum if you were in the spotlight I wouldn't it'd be like stealing candy from a baby ^_^ | ||
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On October 30 2010 08:04 DoctorHelvetica wrote: I can understand why you'd vote bum but I can't imagine why Pandain would be your second choice, or why anyone would vote for pandain really The Pandain vote was just because I didn't want to vote for you or Fishball. I voted for bumatlarge though. If bum withdraws I'd vote for Pandain over you two. But hey we've got lots of time right? Maybe something will happen that makes me change my mind. | ||
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On October 30 2010 08:12 DoctorHelvetica wrote: you'd vote for the scummiest candidate over someone who can use the mayoral role effectively to coordinate the use of our blues? that's dumb play. No. YOU think Pandain is scummy. I don't. Big difference. | ||
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On October 30 2010 08:17 DoctorHelvetica wrote: What makes you think I haven't planned out how to use my role throughout the game? You're telling me to stay quiet and then come out tomorrow with what needs to be said. I'm offering coordination to the town with guaranteed protection. If you don't think thats better than what pandain is offering (nothing) then I don't really know what to say. What lack of foresight? My plans are long-term plans on how I will use my role to benefit the town. The first step is confirming my identity, the second step is using my powers to coordinate the town in a way that is crucial to our survival and victory. I've put the finger of suspicion on more players than you. Coagulation, youngminii, you haven't really done much in the way of scumhunting either. Mind telling me who you think is scum, if anybody? While scumhunting is important to me, being mayor will without a doubt maximize the effectiveness of my role and give the town coordination it needs in this game. It's pretty simple. I think you're misunderstanding my lack of foresight comment. It was in reference to the statement I made about you outting yourself instead of just proving your ability on Night 1 and then revealing the information on Day 2. Also be aware that I have NOT voted for Pandain. Stop pidgeon-holing me into his camp please Besides, if Fishball claims to have a circle of players and that his ability will help him figure out their alignments then why should we vote for you? He only has to focus on a small subset of players to find Scum. | ||
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I think bumatlarge is good enough to know if he's being manipulated. However, how is it that you can't possibly be manipulated by Scum but can coordinate the town? Unless you have the ability to figure out roles in mass I'm not buying it. And I hope you aren't planning for a mass roleclaim because that would definitely be a red flag. | ||
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On October 30 2010 08:43 DoctorHelvetica wrote: ace would you mind telling me 1 or 2 people who you suspect to be scum mr.great scumhunter? I don't have any suspects yet. | ||
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On October 30 2010 08:58 NB wrote: so far we have 3 people who most likely to be mayor: Pandain, fishball, Dr.h Panda: i think he would be the most reasonable choice since his first election post looks really clean o.O or as Dr.H said: "transparent" Fishy: i dont know about this guy... he claimed that he has some sort of mason going on... and i dont trust any group of towny... there is always important information in there being shared and there always could be a spy.... really fishy Dr.H: lots of people voting for him since he has some great posts on what he would do once he become a mayor. Let me tell you: He has never been a towny b4 in the history of mafia => he is a Veteran mafia and a shitty towny (no offends). Those people who did bandwagon and vote for him could easily be a group of mafia just voting for their leader... Dr.H will be my Last choice what so ever. for now, i will keep my vote on my self and consider to change it on to the most reasonable person in the end! Hold on, I think I've gotta rethink that question Dr.H asked me earlier. | ||
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On October 30 2010 09:06 DoctorHelvetica wrote: There are a few things you didn't respond to ace that I'd like you to revisit. specifically this I responded to the bolded already. I'm voting for bumatlarge because I don't see any negatives with him. With you and Fishball I do. I've also already explained about Pandain. | ||
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On October 30 2010 09:07 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Why does that make you nervous? I can prove to the entire town that I am town aligned. If I don't do that, simply lynch me. Why would you vote for a low key mayor that isn't offering anything with the role when I am handing the town a blue-confirmed mayor who can coordinate on a plate? Why wouldn't you want that? Because people don't have to believe your going to do what you say? I think you're better off trying to show us from another angle why you need to be Mayor. With you and Fishball both saying you have to be mayor because of your role it's actually killing your chances imo. | ||
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On October 30 2010 09:15 DoctorHelvetica wrote: It just seemed out of place that you would bring up fishballs candidacy as a point against me when you're against him as well, rather than asking why people should vote for me over bumatlarge instead So what's my plan then, assume for a minute I'm scum. To lie about proving I'm town, get elected, use the 1 lynch, and then die for the lie? Sacrifice myself for a single kill? 1.) That wasn't being used as a point against you. I was talking about you, Fishball and Pandain as the remaining candidates who didn't have my vote. Nothing to do with bumatlarge. 2.) If you're Scum, get Mayor, lynch someone - how do you die? I don't know what roles are in the game and neither does anyone else. The name of the game is INSANE Mafia. Maybe you're scum with a role that can do something and look Pro-Town? I don't know and honestly, even if I did know the roles in the game that doesn't mean I'm going to take you at your word. There have been plenty of games where Scum says they promise to do something, like oh kill themselves and then WALLA! Something else happens, the Scum spin it to show that there is a better idea and the Scummy Martyr goes free. I'm not in the business on playing for promises. | ||
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On October 30 2010 14:56 orgolove wrote: And regarding your second point, in a game where we don't know the true mechanics of your role, your role could easily involve simply infecting people with your stick. I lol'd | ||
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On October 30 2010 14:59 orgolove wrote: -_- And no, that won't work. In a game where we don't know how many plaguebearers there are, if the mafia ever has their own plague doctors, then the numbers can remain the same while the mafia "heals" one of their previous disease hits. I must say thats a really good point. | ||
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If I was Scum I'd heavily consider running for Mayor just to deny it to the town. It's more than just an extra vote (which is always powerful) - I deny the right for a pro-town player to have bodyguards and can now kill with impunity. Either way the more you talk the more I'm against you being Mayor. Too much WIFOM bullshit instead of just facing up to the fact that we have no role list, can't trust people on their word alone and your power really isn't the super duper "I need Mayor because my role owns" ability I was led to believe. I don't see how you getting to be Mayor amplifies your power to the point of ownage. | ||
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Well I guess we can finally get this show on the road. | ||
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Of your 5 listed players: Youngminii and NB are the most suspect to me. Youngminii for his vote with no early explanation in the game and his inactivity ever since, and NB for that alarming post he made about 10? pages back. Other than that the rest of those posters are active and you'd be making a big mistake lynching any of them. If they are active and you suspect them to be Scum you can always trap them later. | ||
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On October 31 2010 07:10 jcarlsoniv wrote: This is interesting. It's sort of like a mini-Mayor without the protection, and with some privacy? Would the two votes have to be for the same person? Or could it possibly be someone who voted elsewhere, but then secretly voted for Dr.H so people don't know that's where he really wants his vote? I wonder what other applications it has, it sounds like it's just useful for helping rig elections. Additionally, do you think it's coupled with another power, or a standalone role? Besides screwing with votes, as players die off Elders become more powerful. +1 vote is brutal in the game which is why when people mistakenly said Mayor just gets +1 vote what's the big deal I made an issue of it. | ||
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On October 31 2010 07:11 DoctorHelvetica wrote: So lynch an inactive like Kenpachi you think? Sure, but I think it's better that you discuss it with the town first. So if you really feel any of the 5 players on your list need to be lynched then explain it and get some consensus so no one can make a fuss about it after. | ||
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I swear orgolove and Dr.H remind me of Napoleon and Snowball from Animal Farm. | ||
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So besides his actions in another game, what reason do you have for lynching Snowba...er I mean orgolove? | ||
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On October 31 2010 07:39 DoctorHelvetica wrote: 1. Complete change in posting behavior 2. Focused insistence on bringing down 1 specific player, something a town player would have no reason to do on day 1 3. Weak arguments that bank more on accusatory rhetoric, misinformation, and character attack than logic 4. Gives no real reason to believe I am scum. A townie has no reason to relentlessly assault a player they have no strong reason to believe is scum I'm surprised an experienced player such as yourself wouldn't read all the posts. I don't want to be extremely redundant so I hope you'll actually read the posts this time. I'm taking it easy because it's early in the game. I don't read every post the minute they get posted, but I do eventually read all of them. As for your points, (2) is not Scummy. Town players tunnel vision all of the time and in fact is what leads to most innocent lynches. (3) is a solid reason. (4) - If orgolove hasn't come right out and said you are Scum and is only trying to assault you then I guess you've got a solid argument. (1) I don't see an issue with. Nothing radical has happened to the point of anyone changing their posting behavior becomes a major flag. | ||
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Look at this point Dr.H is going to be Mayor. Whether or not anyone likes it it's time to start thinking about scumhunting. The more you argue the more people are going to view you as expendable. | ||
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On October 31 2010 08:01 infinitestory wrote: fuck we just lost a plague doctor, didn't we i find it hilariously ironic that DrH, whose role (if he what he claims is the 100% truth) is dependent highly on the plague doctors, was just arguing in personal attacks with and almost lynched a plague doctor OMG ANIMAL FARM ALL OVER AGAIN! @Dr.H: Maybe, but I think it's better to err on the side of caution and investigate than lynch. | ||
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On October 31 2010 08:12 Infundibulum wrote: this is true but a detective still needs to find an outlet for his information if he doesnt want to claim asap so we wouldn't know for a few cycles, in all likelihood There's nothing wrong with that. In fact the detective doesn't need a mouth piece. Just come right out and claim you've found Scum or breadcrumb it. | ||
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On October 31 2010 08:14 DoctorHelvetica wrote: bumatlarge claims he has that power I say bumatlarge you should come out publicly with who you're going to convert into the circle first so it can be confirmed. No, he shouldn't. His power is pretty much being a converting Mason. Part of what makes him so powerful is the fact that Scum don't know who his partners are. If he really does have that ability then let him do his own thing. | ||
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I'm fine with a Detective investigating bum though. | ||
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Also as an innocent they should use their best judgment about what to reveal to a guy in PM land. You can still scumhunt without revealing your role. | ||
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On October 31 2010 08:26 DoctorHelvetica wrote: That's not necessarily the case. Why would you assume that person wouldn't know who else was in the circle. Bum, does your power give them to PM you or PM you and the list of people you have already converted? How could they know if bum doesn't tell them? o.0 | ||
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On October 31 2010 08:30 DoctorHelvetica wrote: If they are given the power to PM others in that circle, they would obviously need to know who is in that circle. It's possible that Bumatlarge conducts the actiont hrough Artanis who also relays the members of the circle something like "Bumatlarge has brought you into x circle you can now pm player x player y player z" that would seem sensible to me. I'd like bum to respond about this. Ohhhh ok we're looking at it in different ways. I thought Bum was just a Mason, you look at it more like he's the leader of a PM circle ala Fishball. My mistake. | ||
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On November 01 2010 04:07 youngminii wrote: Seriously Pandain? The lynch is the town's greatest weapon, you can't make scum immune to lynches without making the game horribly imbalanced. In any case, why don't you think about it carefully before telling me to claim? If I'm invincible, no one will believe me. If I'm immune to lynches, mafia will kill me. If I'm able to manipulate something, that will make me just as suspicious as I am now. Stop being an idiot and play the game properly. You always do this over-analytical crap which doesn't work. Go back a step and think before you post. Maybe you should start with the first post where clearly says PMs are not allowed. This pretty much says it all. Should start looking at players like Pandain who fished for a claim so hard. | ||
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Misder and Pandain both tried to ask youngminii for information, pretty much trying to force a role claim. AT NIGHT!. we can't vote right now so why force a roleclain out of youngminii? Both of them need to be looked at heavily from now on. If you're a Detective please investigate one of these guys and if they flip Scum do some damage. | ||
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On November 01 2010 07:01 Lexpar wrote: If I die tonight Doc H is almost definitely scum. Correct. You've been so valuable your death will implicate others. @Pandain: Call it what you want but I know role fishing when I see it. | ||
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On November 01 2010 08:05 DoctorHelvetica wrote: L is a character from the anime/manga Death Note in which he is the worlds best detective tracking down a serial killer of sorts with a magic notebook that kills anyone whose name is written in it. Ironically enough in these games L is the best town killer. Whether he's Scum or Town aligned lots of innocents die. | ||
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On November 01 2010 08:54 Misder wrote: @Node Why were you informed that BB would die so late last cycle, but now you are informed that DXC is going to die so early in this cycle? I thought of that too, but I think Node said way back that he knew of someone that was going to die. So he probably gets the information at the start of the Day, and didn't want to share it yesterday. | ||
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On November 01 2010 09:31 Misder wrote: Any reason for this? DH, do you know the role of Lexpar? I think Lexpar might have something that can detect if the Mayor is scum? | ||
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On November 01 2010 09:41 Misder wrote: I don't think thats right, since how can he detect it if he is dead? And whats preventing mafia from killing Lexpar Night 2 which would trigger the catalyst of detection? Lexpar said if he dies Dr.H is scum. So I'm guessing he has something that lets him know if he survives the Mayor is legit. I'm not worried about what the Mafia might do because honestly all this WIFOM bullshit is stalling the scumhunt. Let's just keep everything simple shall we? Early Day 1 bumatlarge and Pandain are the main two Mayor candidates. Later on Fishball throws his hat in the ring and gets some votes. Dr.H who first supported Fishball, eventually also runs for Mayor garnering enough votes to win While all of this was going on Fishball, bumatlarge and Dr.H revealed information about their roles. We don't know what the Mafia knows about the game, but from my POV Dr.H saying he could confirm himself is probably a hindrance to the Scum more than Fishball's circle, especially since Fishball hasn't claimed an investigative ability. Night 1 - Dr. H attempts an action and he isn't sure if it worked or not. Now before this action happens ask yourself how strongly you believed in Dr.H being pro-town. If you believed so then there's a damn good chance he indeed was roleblocked. No need to keep wondering about what if's or who's playing a trick on you. A confirmed townie is dangerous and if Dr.H is telling the truth then Scum would indeed want to roleblock him. | ||
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On November 01 2010 10:28 youngminii wrote: Okay I don't care what's going on right now since it doesn't seem to be anything of great substance. Why is no one pointing their finger at Aeres? Did you not read the night post? A bodyguard died (Annul). Now according to LSB/Artanis, there's only one bodyguard. Maybe he's lying but if he is, we're still operating under the assumption that DCL softclaimed bodyguard. So that makes 3 in total. Aeres's claim never made sense to me anyway, and the scumtells that he dropped (oh hey I'm assuming there's two bodyguards because of DCL's softclaim.. But what if DCL isn't a bodyguard? Who's the other one?). It almost looked as if Aeres was trying to gain our trust, make us lose trust in DCL and weed out any other bodyguards that may have tried to claim. 3 people claimed bodyguard. However DC says he never claimed at all. Regardless that prompted a roleclaim from Aeres to reveal his ability. Night 1 the actual bodyguard dies. If we take DC at his word in that he never claimed then Aeres lied. Conveniently DC comes back to point this out after Night is over. But - I still don't think Aeres can sail away on a magical boat and be a bodyguard. If he leaves town then how would the Mayor be protected? So I'm voting for Aeres because I don't think his story adds up. No way he can be a bodyguard when the only 1 also just died. Likewise, even if DC did fake claim Aeres should have pushed harder for his lynch KNOWING that DC lied. If he didn't believe DC's fake claim was an actual claim then he would have had no reason to out himself if he was an actual bodyguard. From 3 angles he stinks. His story and his actions are bullshit. | ||
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PEOPLE LOOK AT THE AERES AND DC SITUATION! | ||
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On November 01 2010 11:30 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Because Aeres thought that DC's claim was truthful and that the claim that there was only one bodyguard was a lie. This is a definite possibility, there could even be a role like an insane bodyguard that believes themselves to be the bodyguard but is not actually the bodyguard. But this conclusion is based on speculation and distrust of the mod. What aeres did is pretty suspicious and he needs to defend himself soon. Although I believe he earlier said he was going to be inactive so we may have to wait a while for his defense. nevertheless, my vote is on him for now. Right. And so far the mods haven't done anything that shows they are lying to the players. So when they stated there is only 1 bodyguard and the person died, then there is only 1 bodyguard. No sanity is in play here. Just a straight up lie. | ||
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You do not know what Scum knows! The mods say we have 1 bodyguard. Aeres claims bodyguard. Annul dies at night, flips bodyguard. Seriously, why are we even discussing this? He got caught in a lie. There is no what if he's town stuff here. Even worse the scenario between him and DC was THE one concrete thing we had going for us to figure out scum. But you guys are sitting here arguing about Dr.H when right now we've got a more clear cut case to solve. The goal of the game is to lynch Mafia and we do it as easily as possible. Stop the WIFOM bullshit. you're only inviting trouble. | ||
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On November 01 2010 14:17 infinitestory wrote: You're an eager one. Killing someone for the sake of getting information sounds a bit hasty. I want to see a condensed argument that Aeres is scum rather than just "more scum than town." 1 bodyguard announced. Aeres claims bodyguard after DC's alleged soft claim. Annul dies at night, revealed to be bodyguard. DC says he never role claimed BG. I point out in 3 ways that Aeres screwed up and had to be lying about the claim. He then comes out and says he lied. If you don't think he's Scum then show us someone even Scummier than he. | ||
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On November 01 2010 23:42 CubEdIn wrote: Did you understand what I mean though? If we can prove that he is able to poke people, AND not infect them, then it's quite positive that he's blue. Why? Because Mafia would not need a player who can "test" if people are infected, since they control the infection and already KNOW who is infected and who is not. It's really simple. Like I said ages ago and just like Fishball illustrated - his role is not tied to his alignment. @Amber: It doesn't matter if it's a newbie mistake. Lying is SCUMMMY. I don't know why we always go with these "oh he was just trying to be a hero townie so he lied" moments. How many games do we need to play where Scum lie, town believes it was just a mistake and there's a red GG Scum Wins message on page 100? Lynch All Liars. Period. Once you start letting the first person go with lies then it's extremely hard to lynch the next set of liars since they have the same safe alibi. As an example, remember the greatest lie ever told in a Mafia game on TL.net is Caller's bullshit Insane Busdriver claim, 2 days after he led the town to believe he was another role. The town bought it hook, line and sinker because "oh Caller was just trying to help" and walla - 2 dead townes, Caller escapes THREE lynches and the town loses. Stop letting people lie. You can't even defend this anymore (and this goes for all of you trying to justify Aeres's play). @Jcarl: Who cares if he's the Village Idiot. If he is, ignore him. Scum hunt. Village Idiots usually don't end the game as it's just a "yay you managed to get lynched" role aka completely useless. That said I doubt he's a VI. Probably just playing "dumb" in order to save himself from being nightkilled. @Aeres: Your best bet is to hope for a DT or some kind of hidden Pardoner role to save you. Somehow I doubt that's going to happen though. @L: You can't prove Dr.H lied. Dr.H said he'd try to use his ability on Night 1, and it's inconclusive on if he was roleblocked, if Jcarl is telling the truth or if Dr.H is lying. With Aeres we know he's lying. Big difference. LAL doesn't apply to Dr.H because he wasn't caught lying. Also if Aeres is some kind of mad hatter role that just shows he was lying about being a Cruise Captain - which would mean he lied TWICE. Now we are encouraging townies to lie about everything just to draw a hit to save a Mayor who's alignment he doesn't know? Shit just sign me up for the next religious cult asap. Once again L is asking for the death of one player to "confirm" another. Remember what I said about him trying to get people killed for information? Right. Dr.H's death doesn't give you any bearing onto Aeres's alignment. Period. @deconduo: If townies have to lie sometimes with good reason give some examples because this time was definitely not good. Guys, we aren't going after Kenpachi or any non-active players today. We've got 2 big situations to solve right now. Let's actually scum hunt. @Dr.H - youngminii seems to be getting bandwagoned "because he should have died during the lynch". deconduo is saying youngminii, who hasn't been shown to lie at all or do anything scummy should be lynched over a guy who has lied, possibly twice AFTER 2 players pushed him onto the spotlight. | ||
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Let's assume Aeres is a pro-town liar and claims he's the bodyguard in addition to a Cruiseship Captain. According to Aeres the CC can leave town for one night and avoid being hit. If Aeres is the CC and bodyguard, and pro-town then why would he reveal this? If the Scum believe that Aeres is the bodyguard then they'd notice that Aeres would be out of town and just shoot Dr.H on Night 1. From what we know, Dr.H hasn't been shot. So if Aeres is indeed pro-town why didn't Mafia take the shot at Dr.H? Just ignore anything about Dr.H being Scum also for the time being. I just want to breakdown what motive and scenario it makes sense for Aeres to be pro-town if you truly believe he is. | ||
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On November 02 2010 09:48 infinitestory wrote: I don't know. Claiming the mods lie to justify his own... I see Aeres' whole thing as a very fleshed out but shitty plan. His alibi has no clear contradictions in it (even the slip up in talking makes sense if you think about someone who must act as if there are multiple bodyguards to defend DrH) I'm not saying Aeres is town. I'm not saying he's a good or valuable player. I'm saying that youngminii's eagerness to lynch Aeres based on a lie, one which Aeres made a solid defense for, is suspicious. On top of that, youngminii refuses to defend himself, he defends DrH vigorously, and now DrH comes to his defense. Perhaps you're the one who must stop being blind, because youngminii's unexplained attempt at martyrdom is beyond suspicious, and almost nobody has made a single comment on it up until my post. What does youngminii need to defend himself about? The entire basis for lynching him was stupid. He survived a lynch - omg he's fishy! We don't know how the lynch was picked. The only thing we know is the mods asked for 3 names and youngminii was first on the list. Siniquity gets lynched. That's all we know. Whether or not youngminii is unlynchable is irrelevant as he didn't lie about anything or appear scummy like Aeres did. The best evidence we have on youngminii is that he said he believed Fishball over bumatlarge with no explanation. So we have one player caught in multiple lies. We have another player that can't, and probably should not explain why he wasn't able to be lynched. His only other crime is not explaining his vote. So what do you want to weigh as a heavier offense? Lying or unaccountability. | ||
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On November 02 2010 10:31 Nemesis wrote: Well I'm back and I've been reading a lot. Yum Yum Time to give my input on things. 1. LAL is a BAAAAAAAAAADDDDDDDDDDDDDDD policy. What is important is not that they lied or what they lied about, but their reasons for lying aka their motive. Although I do find Aeres martyring himself as fishy. 2. If you are going to go with LAL policy, why aren't you gunning for DrH too, YM and Ace? 3. DoctorH, I have FoS on, but I don't really want to lynch him at this point as he is mayor, and can really help in the lategame if he is indeed town. Besides, he is always in the spotlight, more chance for him to slipup like he's been slowly doing all day. 4. For the youngminii bandwagon, I also have FoS on youngminii but I wouldn't really lynch him yet, and I find it weird how they are ignoring that Ace was also tried to get people to bandwagon for Aeres, but his name is not being mentioned when he's essentially doing the same thing that they are lynching youngminii for. 5. It seems that youngminii and doctorH are defending each other, another thing I find suspicious 6. I don't agree with fishing for inactives is a bad thing. With all these back and forth going on between you guys, the inactives are left out of the spotlight: a perfect place for mafia to hide. Also, inactives makes any kind of post analysis useless on them. For now, I'll vote Veldril. 1.)I already explained that Dr.H was never caught lying. Aeres was. Read my posts before making stuff up. Thanks. 2.) I didn't get a bandwagon going on Aeres. I started a lynch on Aeres. If I was starting a bandwagon I wouldn't be using logical arguments, or you know the fact that Aeres lied as proof that he is scum. 3.) How the hell would looking for inactives benefit us when we have a guy that lied, an unconfirmed Mayor, and several people all discussing relevant game information? Come on, at least pretend to know what you're talking about. How about you give us a complete train of thought. You are being wishy washy on your conclusions here. You find YM and Dr.H defending each other, which they really are not doing, as suspicious. You also have a FoS on Dr.H, and even claim that he has slipped up - but you won't go as far to accuse him as Scum. Seems to me you're trying to save Aeres from being lynched - even though you say he is indeed Fishy. So what's the verdict, chum? On November 02 2010 10:38 Fishball wrote: For the record, I never believed that bastard. I was the one who caught him too, and they killed me, the one guy who was pushing for his death  I can already smell a lot of shit in this game that doesn't add up. Well you were one of the few hopes the town had for winning that game. Are you smelling what the Rock is cookin' ? | ||
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On November 03 2010 08:47 DoctorHelvetica wrote: not to mention I didn't lynch aeres, the town did and I didn't even start the bandwagon. Ace did. And I'd happily do it again. | ||
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On November 03 2010 08:52 DoctorHelvetica wrote: i interpreted it as scum play his gambit didn't really make sense as it described it but I suppose he just didn't think it through and acted on impulse. it made him look scummy to me and unlike others in the bandwagon I was the only one who bothered to explain why I thought he was scum rather then just yelling LYNCH ALL LIARS over and over again. Eh? I explained why Aeres play was scummy at least 4 times in this thread. | ||
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On November 03 2010 20:42 CubEdIn wrote: Right, you seem to be doing a might good job. Please point us to the next innocent bystander that looks odd to you. Last I checked I'm only 1 vote out of 16. But wait what's this? You voted for him too! So are you going to blame me for leading you to vote him off? Or are you going to accuse yourself for participating in killing "an innocent bystander"? You're responsible just as much as I am. In fact you're even more responsible since I at least stood by my reasoning and didn't play the blame game. *sniff* *sniff* This is starting to smell familiar. | ||
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If my arguments convinced you then why are you so upset that I'd gladly do it again. Surely you must have agreed with something right? Right. | ||
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Aeres claims bodyguard and Cruiseship Captain. How can he draw a scum hit if he won't even be there? rofl | ||
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But hey, no one accused you of being Scum. Why so touchy Cubicle? | ||
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----------------------------------------- Original Message From bumatlarge: Im dead now sorry lol good luck! didnt check thread... ----------------------------------------- Original Message From Ace: I've been complacent plenty of times as town. Gotta remember I was pretty active for the last lynch too. No idea how much more active I need to be at the time. Why would I pressure you in PM though? Explain. ----------------------------------------- Original Message From bumatlarge: I don't know you've been... complacent this game. Id expect for you to be a little more judgmental about what people are doing. It makes me cautious. Not that you haven't been very helpful as town, it just seems like you are satisfied with where the game is going. Do you think town is going to win this game? I mean so far the only scum kills are modkills. It seems like you would be pressuring everyone, especially me with, for all i know, the only PM contact you have. I'm not normally a confrontation guy, but I will speak my opinions. But I try to lean more on facts then my gut. If you are mafia, kill me fast ----------------------------------------- Original Message From Ace: why would I think that? I'm a simple man oh well about Dr.H, doesn't really effect me about what he thinks about me. ----------------------------------------- Original Message From bumatlarge: Just warning you ahead of time, Dr. H sent me a death post. If he dies, Im posting it regardless, but he does have a paragraph on you, not really saying you are mafia, but investing alot of wariness on how you play and what has happened. It kinda had an effect on how I'm viewing you, but Im just keeping an open mind hope you dont think i dont like you or something as for Dr. H, his death will be enlightening if it happens, and I dont have many doubts about him considering how much hes invested in to just proving himself as town. This death post is nothing special. Would be funky if he had some mafia death editing thing where he could pick what he pops up as, but that would be insane. ----------------------------------------- Original Message From Ace: Nothing at the moment. I'm not surprised he's suspicious of me - everyone always is. I don't know how he arrived at the conclusion youngminii is a possible traitor though. ----------------------------------------- Original Message From bumatlarge: well dr. h is the person I choose. I was wary of picking fishball because he seemed a likely virus target. Dr. H claims immunity. He has minor suspicions of you. But more so about Pandain, and then he thinks youngmini is a traitor? Well anything you want me to tell him? I dont think he knows you were the first pick. ----------------------------------------- Original Message From Ace: lol. Depending on who dies tonight, I think he might be the scummiest player in the game. I remember he said he could confirm himself, just like Dr.H did and so far he has never made mention of that fact again. ----------------------------------------- Original Message From bumatlarge: hope he gets a vig to the face. Otherwise he just a player causing arguments that lead no where and distract town from the vibrant display of information we have. Aeres first though. ----------------------------------------- Original Message From Ace: What do you think of Pandain? This whole aeres thing seems pretty straight forward. But I also genuinely feel he might just be blissfully unaware of what he was doing at the time. What would it profit him as a red to claim BG after he thought someone did. Then he leaves for the night... and then everyone believes hes BG wen DC is still alive? It seems very shallow, but I would have no problem lynching him because of this. He doesnt seem all that intelligent after this. ----------------------------------------- Original Message From Ace: where are you! [/quote] Well one bodyguard name wouldn't hurt right? lol Yeah but if i visit him the same day he gets poisoned, i catch the m-rus, and so does the medic if they arent ADD like orgo or something. Im all aboard the voting block, but I want to see the results of the mayor lynch+night kills before I speculate too much. ----------------------------------------- Original Message From Ace: Meh, don't ask him for the name of a bodyguard. Imagine you're in his shoes, get a PM from some guy asking for Bodyguard info. You'd think he was Scum I think I'd rather mention Fishball should get medic protection over plague protection. Since he has the ability to find potential Scum in his circle I'd rather keep him alive. Also since you're a Mason we should try and vote together to form a powerful voting block. ----------------------------------------- Original Message From bumatlarge: I trust him a lot more then i did since orgo died (lol?) so I'm willing to make those ties, but im reluctant because he seems like a likely candidate for the M-rus. Dr.H seems like a fabulous person to pm just from him being immune. Then maybe if i can persuade him to give me the name of a bodyguard, that would be fantastic, unless hes mafia. Otherwise a BG would be someone I could relay all the info to so if I die, Dr. H and the BG can confirm that this guy is 100% legit. The only thing is how Im going to get information with this role... I guess I'll go with fishball first since plague docs dont have to target the mayor. Do you mind if you hint that they should vaccinate fishball, since it would sound pretty obvious coming from me. I can hopefully get something from fishball, as he already stated he has a method to check people in his circle. Medic protection would be awesome on him as well ----------------------------------------- Original Message From Ace: I think we're better off trying to do things quietly in the background. What do you think about using your ability to talk with Fishball for the next Day? Having him + his circle could be great. How much do you trust him though? ----------------------------------------- Original Message From bumatlarge: Yeah he's not exactly a prime target if he doesn't get mayor. ----------------------------------------- Original Message From Ace: Meh, I'm still not buying it 100%. I guess I'm just uneasy as to why he's so desperate. If his ability is to coordinate plague doctors then how is that the super power role that he led me to believe? :/ ----------------------------------------- Original Message From bumatlarge: My bad he he roleclaimed some plague poker or something. He's got something with not being able to be poisoned, and being able to confirm himself if everything was sunshine and daisies in mafia. I still prefer myself as mayor, but he seems to be intent, and nothing screams scum from what I've read. ----------------------------------------- Original Message From Ace: He claimed it? I've only skimmed the thread so I may have missed it. Regardless he's getting extremely desperate for Mayor position based on promises. I'm not going for it. He's already lashed out at so many people I think if he even got Mayor he'd have no support. ----------------------------------------- Original Message From bumatlarge: Opinions on Dr.H? Claiming Plague doctor I guess, and when he cures or makes you immune, you get a PM saying he did? A viable person to get bodyguards, and Im guessing Plague docs cant get poisoned, but mayor can. If he can confirm this to me, and mafia doesnt have this sort of doctor, I can make a circle for him. And I think people are merging role and alignment cops together, which seems slightly naive considering everyone has a special role. ----------------------------------------- Original Message From Ace: why did you drop out of the Mayor race? o.0 ----------------------------------------- Original Message From bumatlarge: Any plans for the first lynch? I'll vocalize it for you, and i dont care who. ----------------------------------------- Original Message From Ace: lol umm ok we'll see ^_^ ----------------------------------------- Original Message From bumatlarge: Sounds good, VOTE FOR ME THOUGH OK? ----------------------------------------- Original Message From Ace: Nah I'm not going to reveal my role just yet. Hell you could be a Scum Mason for all I know. Besides it's just starting and I'd rather read the thread and jot down notes for now anyway. ----------------------------------------- Original Message From bumatlarge: Exactly, and i can pick one of my bodyguards eventually and put some information with him just in case. I'm not going to disclose who I choose, but if im mayor i can tell them what I can do safely. Is your role something you'd like to share, or would you rather keep it quiet? I'd understand considering it's insane mafia, and artanis is likely to put some misleading scum roles like 'can PM people' or something. ----------------------------------------- Original Message From Ace: oh thats even better than I thought. So you can actually end up talking to 2 or 3 people in the same night? You can almost be like a behind the scenes Mayor. ----------------------------------------- Original Message From bumatlarge: I knew you would! And I dont switch, I get to PM you the rest of the game, and keep adding to the list. ----------------------------------------- Original Message From Ace: So you're basically a mason that gets to switch targets. And you know how I feel about Masons - they are awesome ^_^. ----------------------------------------- Original Message From bumatlarge: Woooo PM rights. Im a stalker townie, beginning of every day i can get pm rights with some person, and keep them forever. Nifty. I think that would be pretty decent for a mayor. And I think I can kinda prove my innocence with this? Provided mafia does not have a role meant to copy this one. Thoughts? That's the PMs from the game between me and bumatlarge. Take it how you will as I doubt this makes me suspicious. | ||
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I remember in Day 1, Dr.H claimed to be able to prove his role. Pandain also said he could too, then later mentioned to give him some time to do it iirc. So far, Pandain has not come out with any information to prove his role is pro-town. Also to add, he heavily called Dr.H a liar. I pointed out many times Dr.H is not a liar because it wasn't conclusive enough to say what happened Night 1. Whereas with Aeres it was a blatant lie. However, Pandain kept pushing that point without thinking about the situation - pretty much excessive focusing on Dr.H So if Pandain was really pro-town - why hasn't he come out with his role claim yet? Either he screwed up proving it Night1, couldn't prove it Night 1, or can't. | ||
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On November 04 2010 10:13 youngminii wrote: Hang on, he says his role is ADD Detective but he RNGs a target. But the ADD Doctor has a 10% chance of killing his patient if his patient wasn't 'sick'. Shouldn't that make an ADD Detective a Detective that gets a wrong reading 10% of the time? Food for thought, don't look into it too much (yet). Even if his check is 10% wrong, it's better for him to reveal his information. Usually I'd ask for more proof before trusting a DT, but looking at Coag's posts - I mean really why not believe him. If his check is wrong then it landed on someone who buddied up quite well to a suspected Scum player. | ||
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On November 04 2010 10:18 DoctorHelvetica wrote: detective is probably the worst role for a mafia to fake in any game, this game in particular tbh o.0 You'd be surprised. Millers + Sanity = lots of room to fakeclaim. | ||
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On November 04 2010 10:23 infinitestory wrote: what role would millers show up as? definitely not regular red goons They do if the game is using an alignment check and not role check. You don't see Miller, you see X player is Scum not knowing they are a Miller. On November 04 2010 10:23 DoctorHelvetica wrote: In a game where no role is certain it's hard to fake. No one knows what roles exist in the game so it's hard to fake rolechecks when you have to make shit up. That's why I feel Godfather is underpowered in this game as well, nothing is cut and dry. If no role is certain then no one can actually say your claim is bullshit, unless it's really outlandish. But the Miller + Sanity comment was more for standard games. People fake claim detective, get an innocent lynched or near lynched and claim they aren't a normal detective. I don't usually believe it but you'd be surprised at what kind of claims get thrown out there. | ||
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On November 04 2010 10:30 youngminii wrote: I would agree with Nemesis but that was pushed forward by Ace. I'm still wary of bum's death post to be honest. Shouldn't you be as well? What was pushed forward by me? bum never had a death post, Dr.H and I revealed we were both Masoned to him and I revealed the PMs between us. @infinitestory : I was talking about standard games. It's either one or the other. If there are Millers in the game I doubt the rolecheck would return Miller as that just defeats the point of the role. | ||
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On November 04 2010 10:40 DoctorHelvetica wrote: how does this indirectly confirm you as town at all Stop talking to him. He's gone. | ||
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@Dr.H: No point in even going further with this. Let's go back to Day 1: When Dr.H claims that he has a role that can confirm himself to be town, Pandain also does the same. Pandain also says even if he doesn't get Mayor, he'd be able to do this. Now, it's Day 3 and Pandain doesn't reveal the result of any of this until now. When I read his posts on Day 1, it sounded like his role could be instantly confirmed pro-town and not something that would rely on random chance. So if Pandain knows his role relied on random chance then why did he seem so sure he could confirm himself easily? | ||
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On November 04 2010 10:47 Pandain wrote: 1.I said it would take a couple days 2.I said it would be indirect If you say it would take a couple of days and be indirect: Then how come you felt so strongly against Dr.H if you're own role wouldn't be so powerful? Those are 2 weak reasons to claim you can confirm yourself pro-town when you made it seem so good. How is that better than a Vigilante claiming he could shoot the scummiest person to confirm himself? | ||
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You could have confirmed yourself via alignment checks, but you just happened to always hit pro-town players and now that you're on the noose is the only reason you are claiming your role. That's it right? | ||
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Basically if he's looking for alignment checks then he'd be checking the people he felt were the scummiest players right? So I guess the real question here is to see if Pandain was always checking who he felt was Scum based on his posts in the thread. The problem here is that Dr.H was his main target. That being said if Pandain felt that you and Nemesis were supporting Dr.H then maybe his checks do add up. | ||
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ah yea, my bad. I forgot. Maybe his role really is legit then. | ||
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On November 04 2010 11:53 DoctorHelvetica wrote: I say we lynch Ace and KtheZ if pandain flips blue. If he flips red we lynch Nemesis and Deconduo. that's why we should use a vig hit IMO Excuse me? Explain sir. | ||
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On November 04 2010 12:13 DoctorHelvetica wrote: I'm not impressed with your "scumhunting" in this game, you're basically picking the weakest targets. I feel like if mafia were going to hit any experienced player it would be you first and you didn't roleclaim to bumatlarge even though he was probably the surest blue in the game and the only one you could PM with (to our knowledge) If you're mafia you'd also be the ideal person to save with a bus. It comes down to the lynch turnout but if pandain turns blue I don't have a better target besides perhaps infinitestory. How is picking Pandain weak when you yourself pointed out he was scummy? Bum and I BOTH agreed he was fishy. Several other players also said Pandain was scummy. So please do explain how me saying Pandain is scummy means I'm picking on a weak player. If he's playing like obvious Scum then guess what - he's probably Scum. You seem to be trying to save face with every lynch by saying "well if we're wrong, look at this person!". You pegged Pandain as scum also so how does that make me Scummy and you innocent? Also that's a WIFOM argument. If any experienced player is going to be protected it would probably be me and the circle never ends. There have also been many games where I've actually lived till Day 3 and was innocent. So what's your reasoning for that? Secondly why would I roleclaim to bum? Everyone who knows how I play KNOWS I don't roleclaim unless I have to. I also do not share information unless people have to know. So why would I role claim to bum? I never knew if he was innocent, and you can also see in my private messages I said I don't know if he's a Scum Mason. So once again, explain WHY would I roleclaim to an unconfirmed townie? Bum was not the surest blue in the game so stop lying. The ONLY thing we knew about him was that he claimed Mason. Lastly, there isn't a wagon or pressure on me so where does bussing come into play? Are you trying to undermine me in hopes of setting up a future lynch? Also explain how infinitestory is a better target if Pandain flips blue, when you just claimed we should lynch KtheZ if Pandain flips blue. You are being really wishy-washy. In fact it looks like you'd rather lynch any of us pushing Pandain's lynch as if you KNOW he's going to flip innocent. | ||
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I'd also look at the people who voted for you, and you yourself. I'm just as suspicious of you as you are of me. Before the lynch comes around you seem sure, but then you get a bit wishy-washy. | ||
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Add in that he already suspected Pandain as Scum, makes sense to check against IS to see what IS flips if he thinks there's a chance IS might be town aligned. If IS flipped Town then he would know that they were of opposite alignments and could indeed claim that either/or Pandain/IS are scum. They both flipped SCUM so he's pretty sure he's an insane DT now since he bought in to IS being pro-town. | ||
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DC puts a bomb on beyonder and deconduo with all 3 dying. Beyonder had a voodoo doll on Dr. H. Scum hit some combination of NB, Dr.H, and Cubed. This assumes Node is telling the truth about NB. Which would mean NB got protected by a medic and Dr.H and Cube got popped. Being that we know Cubed was telling the truth, then we just have to figure out who he protected last night. That being said if NB is alive and Node was telling the truth then there is another doctor out there or NB has a Vet/bulletproof kind of role. Secondly has anyone thought that the +1 KP isn't Scum but possibly Serial Killer? | ||
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On November 07 2010 09:10 infinitestory wrote: I looked up Serial Killer on mafiascum.net, and that really worries me. However, I feel like since the +1 is stated as a Mafia KP (2+1), it's more likely a mafia doing. I'm sure it's 2+1 also but I just looked through the OP and can't find that anywhere. Where is the Mafia KP listed? | ||
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On November 07 2010 09:20 infinitestory wrote: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=161289¤tpage=7#121 Ok cool. So I think we can forget about a Serial Killer then because the the KPs do make sense. | ||
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Secondly I was never accused by Dr.H or bum of being Scum. Bum said IF I'm mafia to kill him in a PM - a PM I revealed along with my entire conversation history with bum. So explain how that paints me as scummy? Also if we are going to go the route of an innocent player died so let's look at who was interacting with him then you yourself would be a prime suspect. Dr.H didn't exactly trust you and I don't either. | ||
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On November 07 2010 12:54 kitaman27 wrote: Since you are so great at starting bandwagons then, who should be next? We need to come up with two and I don't really see a lot of options at the moment >.< So I can hear "but Ace you started it!" as if I control 13 votes? lol I'll chill for a few more hours before I bring up my next case. Waiting to see what other Night actions come about. | ||
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On November 08 2010 06:04 kitaman27 wrote: I am going to role claim now. I am a detective variation that reveals the type of action performed each night and have found a mafia. The reason I didn't come forward sooner is that I wanted to see if this person made a push in any way for the double lynch, but he has been quiet. Given the results of my other checks, I do not see the possibility of my insanity. If my claim proves to be false, I request to be lynched, but I feel it would be wise to lynch this person first, as it will reduce mafia KP. Ace was involved in last night's hit and is also responsible the spread of M-Rus. He must be lynched. This is impossible. 1.) That's a Tracker role, not Watcher. If you were a Watcher you'd be able to see who visited me last night. Trackers would be able to see who I visited. So you're lying about your role claim. 2.) If you were a Tracker/Watcher you would have been given the name of who I visited last night. If you're claim is legit then why didn't you say WHO I visited to prove it? You didn't. So now lets look at the people who quickly jumped on the lynch Ace wagon even though Kita's claim makes no sense. Of course, Kita for the lynch also. | ||
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On November 08 2010 06:04 kitaman27 wrote: I am going to role claim now. I am a detective variation that reveals the type of action performed each night and have found a mafia. The reason I didn't come forward sooner is that I wanted to see if this person made a push in any way for the double lynch, but he has been quiet. Given the results of my other checks, I do not see the possibility of my insanity. If my claim proves to be false, I request to be lynched, but I feel it would be wise to lynch this person first, as it will reduce mafia KP. Ace was involved in last night's hit and is also responsible the spread of M-Rus. He must be lynched. On November 08 2010 06:19 kitaman27 wrote: 1. I am a Watcher 2. I am informed if my target leaves their house for the night and what type of action they perform 3. I have checked Infundibulum and Amber[Light] I assure you, if I was mafia, I wouldn't wait until after my claim to come up with the details anyways. Something isn't adding up here. His role name is Watcher but he has Tracker abilities? Come on people your kidding me right? I was involved in last night's hit, but he doesn't get the name of who? So he isn't a Tracker or a Watcher (who would get name or number results) but something else that just gets vague information? He even shoves a possible cop out of insanity in there even though Watcher and Tracker roles don't have sanities? To top it all off when asked who he also checked - it turns out it's Infundibulum who was "cleared" by Infinitestory and Amber[light] who is slated to die tonight. He also said he didn't do this because he was waiting...right. Waiting to see who the lynch wagon was going to hit today before coming through with this "breakthrough" information. This is one of the worst role claims ever since it doesn't even make SENSE. How are you so quick to believe this? | ||
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On November 08 2010 07:46 infinitestory wrote: I have no reason to assume these roles are named standardly or work standardly. Also, if you're getting your information from mafiascum.net, his claim is more similar to the Role Cop variation of DT than Tracker or Watcher. Im getting my info from all the games I played, especially since I was the one who introduced Trackers and Watchers to Tl.net That said, if his role is more similar to Role Cop why didn't he reveal my role name? He hasn't revealed anyone involved in my alleged visit to the crime scene - not one. No role, no targets. He vaguely just said "Ace was involved in last night's hit" and you all jumped on it without even realizing his role makes no sense. Why so eager to get me lynched? | ||
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Watcher - Able to target a player. You either get the names of the people that visited the target that night or the number of players that visited the target. Tracker - Able to target a player. You find out who the target visited that night. There is no making up of a role here. These are the definitions of what the roles do. You messed up your fake claim. That's like calling yourself a detective and you shoot people at night, then I say you're a vigilante and you make a fuss about it. Nice that you coded my name into a post ahead of time, as if that proves you're telling the truth when you messed up your role claim. About Amber[light] - you don't think it's incredibly convenient that the 2 people you tracked : 1.) 1 was already claimed to be innocent by another player 2.) The other is slated to die tonight anyway So you don't have information on any other player, just 2 guys who are pretty much "solved". Come on, that's very convenient don't you think? | ||
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On November 08 2010 08:22 kitaman27 wrote: I'm pretty sure L informed Cube that his role was impossible based on the description as well. That went well. Watcher is the name my role was given. You are choosing to ignore the most important part, however. It doesn't matter that I know Amber is going to die tonight. Amber has not revealed his role to this point. Quite an unnecessary gamble that I claim he never left his house night two, don't you think? I don't know, maybe because if Amber did have a role that could leave his house by now he would have said something? 3 Nights have passed so it's not a big gamble to assume that if Amber did have an active role he'd have done something by now. Besides that doesn't say anything about Amber's alignment. But ok, let's put the fact that you have a Watcher role with Tracker abilities aside. If I was involved in the killings last night then who did I kill? If you are a Watcher role with some new kind of description then why don't you have the name of the player I targeted?. | ||
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On November 08 2010 08:27 kitaman27 wrote: Nemesis, I noticed you changed your vote from Ace to me based on his weak defense. Explain to me why I would put myself out here like this to target a single town member. 14 town remaining 5 mafia remaining A 1:1 trade doesn't work out too well, now does it? WIFOM. It's double lynch and you could be doing this to save a scum buddy with a better role. Using the "I wouldn't trade myself for a townie" is irrelevant as I'm sure Scum would love to get me lynched. Either way let's go back to L's argument about Cube's role being wrong. Look at all the roles revealed so far that show up in normal games: 1.) Doctors and Plague Doctors - protect targets from death and/or stop murrayitis 2.) Detective - get a random role at night, may be insane/sane 3.) Bodyguard - works like a normal bodyguard. Elected role can not die. 4.) Mayor - gets an extra vote, works like a normal mayor 5.) Vigilante - shoots at night, has a chance to shoot themselves 6.) Mad Hatter - places a bomb on a target, bombs blow up if the bomber dies 7.) Watcher - Has tracker abilities, does not get the name of the target How come of all the roles in the game that appear in a standard game your role is the only one that has nothing to do with the original role? Every other role even though modified has some relation to the original. But your Watcher role has Tracker abilities and does not get the name of a target. Based on the game setup your role doesn't even fit. So how am I making stuff up again? | ||
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On November 08 2010 08:28 Amber[LighT] wrote: True. Though since I'm "targeted" wouldn't that mean I'm more likely to be pro-town? I wasn't saying you aren't. Just illustrating how convenient it all shapes up. @IS: Read my latest post as to how it just doesn't fit with the rest of the game. @Kita: Exactly. How can you not receive the name of the target when BOTH roles that you're alleged role is based on always do? How can your role be called WATCHER and it doesn't tell you who I interacted with? | ||
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I'm not going to role claim because it would only help Scum if I don't get lynched. I don't role claim on the whim I might be lynched unless I'm sure it's going to help the town. At this time, it won't. A 1:1 trade isn't beneficial? Really, so knocking me out of the game when all suspicions on me boil down to "how are you still alive?" isn't great? Ok. But you can't deny that your role does not fit with ANY other role in the game. Your fakeclaim doesn't make sense, it doesn't even give you the name of a target which is what Tracker AND Watcher roles do. You can't be telling the truth. Your only response is to take it up with Artanis but so far, all of Artanis's roles have some bearing on their originals. So why does he need to say anything? | ||
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Every other role in the game has relation to their originals. His role is the only role that does not, and on top of it he mixed up the role powers of Watcher and Tracker. How the hell is this even debatable? He just messed up a fake claim. | ||
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http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/postmessage.php?quote=3394&topic_id=161289 On November 08 2010 04:53 Infundibulum wrote: It doesn't really matter, because my role doesn't do a whole lot. I haven't even used it this game :p So kita claims he did whatever his fakeclaim role does and saw that Inf never left his house, AFTER Inf already says he hasn't used his role. Come on this is such a sad fake claim. He didn't do any investigating. His role doesn't make sense, he has no information on who I would have targeted if I have a visiting role, the role doesn't fit in with any other roles in the game, and he conveniently visited 2 players who were already cleared? Seriously? No way you guys are buying this right? | ||
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Why doesn't your role tell you who I targeted last night if it's legit? Why can't you answer that? Why can't you even address the fact that alleged your role is radically different from every other role in the game so far? | ||
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On November 08 2010 10:32 kitaman27 wrote: Why chose Amber then? Why not someone already dead like DrH? That would have been even more convenient wouldn't it? Because it's more convenient? Because Night Actions fail on the Mayor? Because if you said you tracked Dr.H on Night 2 everyone would ask why you didn't track him on Night 1 instead when it would have made more sense? Hey, I don't know why you chose Amber. But it doesn't address the other facts here: Your role doesn't fit with anything else in the game and you reveal 2 convenient targets to claim you watched. | ||
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If you were really either one this is what you'd see: Tracker: You tracked Ace visiting Player X. Watcher : You watched Ace and Players X and Y or X amount of Players visited Ace. This is what you revealed: Ace was involved in the hit last night. How does that relate to either role? You have no information on what other targets were involved. You pretty much just said: Ace is Mafia because I found him tracked/watched him. I asked which person did you track/watch me to? You STILL can't answer that. No matter which role you choose you still need a target. You have none. You're lying. | ||
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I did point out that you claimed to choose Inf AFTEr he said he didn't use his role and after Is said he investigated him. Secondly you still don't understand how trackers and watchers work. It's not MY role - it's standard in every mafia game how the roles work. You choose to track or watch me - you get names back. That's it. You only have my name and nothing else. So your role can't exist. How come you are the ONLY one in the game that has a role that works differently from it's original? And now the lurkers are voting for me. Come on, now Kenpachi is going to vote for me because Meapak "defended" himself? Can this get more obvious? As if I haven't pointed out the flaws in Kita's fake claim. | ||
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On November 08 2010 10:55 youngminii wrote: @Ace: I'm saying we kill kitaman and Pandain. If Pandain flips red and kitaman flips blue, then we lynch you. If the opposite happens, then we don't touch you. I think it's pretty reasonable, since I'm certain one of the two are scum. I've been saying Pandain is Scum for like what, 3 days now? But I'm just shocked that no one else is noticing these bandwagon votes coming out of no where. How many lurkers have we seen just jump out of the woodwork. Do YOU even believe Kita's claim? | ||
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Because I'm trying to defend accusations of being Scum, instead of telling you my role that means I must be scum? How does that even make SENSE?! Is anyone reading this thread? | ||
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On November 08 2010 11:07 kitaman27 wrote: I stated the night I watched him and he then confirmed he did not make an action on that date. There is no convenience as he did not reveal his actions prior to my declaration. Your argument is wrong. Pandain, look at Ace throwing you under the bus. I know Ace and I are of opposite alignments. I can see the possibility of you being a mislead town who bought into Ace's deceptive argument. That's why I have not pushed against you while you target me. READ! Amber never did anything for 3 nights. He never talked about having a role. So you choosing him isn't a big gamble - it's convenient. Why aren't you answering the other questions about your role not making sense with the rest of the game? You also don't think it's convenient that after Inf admits he hasn't used his role yet and that Is says he checked Inf you claim to have tracked/watched Inf Night 1? | ||
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You come out and say Amber didn't perform a night action. How is that a big gamble? Inf admitted he hasn't used his role. You come out and say Inf never performed a Night Action. That isn't convenient to you? you STILL haven't explained why your claim doesn't include me visiting someone. Watcher and Tracker will never say Ace was found at the scene of the crime. It will say I visited player x. So if I killed someone last night then who did I kill? You can't say because you're lying. | ||
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He said you didn't visit anyone the night he checked you. I said you never said anything about your role. Hence it's not a gamble to think you didn't do anything. He makes it sound as if me claiming he chose to check you is a big argument when it's not. I was saying he picked 2 players that had no information revealed about their Night Actions as part of his claim. Hence it's convenient. @Inf: Yea I was the mod that game. But I did not mix up your role description. What we have here is someone claiming Watcher, with Tracker powers but is missing the "Ace targeted/visited Player X" part. He claims I was involved in the killing last night but can't tell us who I killed. So how is his role legit? | ||
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On November 08 2010 11:22 Infundibulum wrote: my role can only do an action during Day. oh ok, guess that solves that. He still claimed it after I posted your quote from earlier here: On November 08 2010 04:53 Infundibulum wrote: It doesn't really matter, because my role doesn't do a whole lot. I haven't even used it this game :p This was posted before he claimed. You don't think it's convenient that after you say this he claimed he checked you Night 1? | ||
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I told bumatlarge not to ask Dr.H for his bodyguard's info (he didn't know it was hidden at the time) because it would make him look like scum. Do I get a free pass also? I don't have access to the role list but I have access to tons of Mafia games. You don't have a Tracker or Watcher role I know that for a fact. | ||
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If it doesn't make you innocent then it makes you guilty. Wtf? Amber has not claimed. Amber has not said anything about his night Actions. How does that make you innocent? I said it's not a gamble because Amber never revealed information. You say it makes you innocent. HOW does that make any sense? There is only 1 thing in your entire claim that makes sense. But the fact that you so readily assumed I am Mafia based on it just shows me your bullshitting. | ||
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On November 08 2010 14:35 kitaman27 wrote: I am a Dt who discovered Ace is mafia. Don't fall for this deception. I thought you were a Watcher/Tracker of some sort? So now you are a detective? Incredible. You can't even keep your fake claim straight. Something did happen last night. But I know your claim is wrong because you can't be Watcher/Tracker or you would have told me a name by now. So since you aren't either you are now a Detective. LOL. | ||
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We just had a long, long argument about why you can't be a Watcher or Tracker. But you clearly just said you are a detective who discovered Ace is Mafia. If thats the case why even argue about Watcher/Tracker? Your original post says: Ace was involved in last night's hit and is also responsible the spread of M-Rus. He must be lynched. You did not say Ace is Mafia. You said Ace was involved in the hit. So you can't be a detective or you would have said plainly you investigated me to be Scum. You can't be a Watcher/Tracker because you don't have a target. If you were a legit Watcher/Tracker we wouldn't be having this conversation. I asked you WHO I'm linked to and you can't tell me. If you are a watcher/tracker then WHAT hit was I involved in last night? Are you really selling that the mod told you "Ace was involved in last night's hit" when there were 5 dead people? | ||
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On November 08 2010 15:09 kitaman27 wrote: Wait, so are you confirming that you were involved in a hit last night? Yep I was. Which is why I've been asking you about who the target was. | ||
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On November 08 2010 15:11 KtheZ wrote: Could you give an example of how a townie can be involved in a mafia hit? I'm just throwing out my ideas. I wasn't involved in a Mafia hit. You should read all the pages of this discussion. His claim doesn't reflect any role and doesn't fit with any of the other roles in the game. If it does then prove me wrong. | ||
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You said you got notification that I was involved in a hit last night. There were 5 dead bodies. So which hit was I involved in since you claim to have gotten this information from the mod? If you tracked me to "the hit" then there has to be some wording that tells you WHICH hit? Am I wrong to assume this? Otherwise you'd never know and there would be no way you could say I'm Scum. If that's not the case, then you are a detective. If you are a detective then you'd be able to say I'm Scum right? But you didn't - you said I was involved in a hit. See what I'm saying? Your claim doesn't add up. Really this is it: There were some hits last night. Ace was there. You yourself would have had to conclude I was Scum. I don't believe you're an innocent townie that messed up so that leaves one thing: You're Scum that messed up the fake claim. | ||
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Either he has Watcher/Tracker and can tell me who I was with last night or he has DT powers which wouldn't be able to tell him where I was. If he has DT powers AND Tracker/Watcher powers then why can't he answer the simple question of who the other person was? It's not adding up. | ||
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On November 08 2010 15:30 infinitestory wrote: hits last night: DrH (bussed by deconduo, likely swapped with NB) Cubed (roleblocked while protting self, killed) Beneather (confirmed to have had his voodoo doll on DrH) DCLXVI (confirmed to have died due to role, selfdestructed) deconduo (confirmed to have died due to DC's selfdestruct) so you were involved in the hit of either DrH or Cubed? Why the hell? If you were one of the guys mentioned in the day post, that means you either carried out a hit yourself or were the guy roleblocking Cubed. Since there is no reason to roleblock a confirmed medic, and DrH was confirmed 100% townie just before, I have to assume you decided to hit Cubed. But that doesn't make sense either. Were you somehow involved in a killing in a way not mentioned in the Day post? The possibilities dwindle, and so does the likelihood of you being town. btw this now means that every inspection that kitaman made has been correct, even if his role name is weird. I could have sworn I was the one who pushed the idea of duo being bombed by DC. Correct? Why would I out myself when I didn't have to? I don't have role blocking powers though. That would mean I role blocked Dr.H Night 1 when I wanted to know if he was legit. That doesn't make sense now does it? | ||
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On November 08 2010 15:35 infinitestory wrote: You're making assumptions. Nowhere has he said he can even figure out who the other person was. There's no reason to assume he will have exactly the role of a tracker OR exactly the role of a watcher, etc. Just because he can track someone like a tracker doesn't mean he can find the target like one, especially since the role appears to be named differently. I'm not making assumptions. I outlined this earlier: Doctor, Plague Doctor, Mayor, Vigilante, Detective, Bodyguard: Every single one of them have variations based on their original roles. None of them are named in a way that acts different from their original roles. So why would Kita be the only person so far that has a role that doesn't have any bearing on it's original? It does NOT fit with the rest of the roles in the game. | ||
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On November 08 2010 15:42 kitaman27 wrote: So you admit to performing a vig type role on Deconduo and then proceed to provide a false outline of what happened that night. Sounds like an unnecessary lie that you know better than to commit. And that's not even getting to the fact that Deconduo has been relatively quiet. What could lead you to using up a vig role on him? I admit to having some kind of killing role and that I targeted Deconduo. I didn't provide a false outline of what happened that night - I was trying to make sense of what happened that night. There very well could have been a bomb on duo for all I know that didn't go off. I clearly was interacting in a discussion of piecing the NKs together. Hmm let's see: because I'm pretty good at hunting Scum? I was already on to duo from a while back: On November 03 2010 23:19 Ace wrote: How can a plan succeed and fail at the same time deconduo? Thank god you aren't the mod of this game. This was right after deconduo tried to rationalize Aeres's plan after I said there was no way it could work. I pretty much had him on my Scumdar at this point. The only thing that had even remotely held me back from 100% committing was the fact that he voted for bumatlarge in the Mayor votes along with me. | ||
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On November 08 2010 15:52 infinitestory wrote: we never said 666 blew deconduo with a bomb, in fact we clarified several times that his bombs never went off at all ace said (untruthfully, it seems o_O) that deconduo probably died in 666's suicide bomb I said probably so I could see who would let information slip about the NK. The only people who would have a concrete idea on how the NKs played out would be scum. I tried to engage in a little discussion to see who would let too much slip. If you would have preferred me to say "oh yea, I've got another idea on how duo died but it's a secret!" then my bad homie ^_^ | ||
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On November 08 2010 16:13 kitaman27 wrote: Then it comes down to what are the odds that Ace uses his vig hit the night I happen to check him. Quite a coincidence that he claims the only hypothetical situation that would save him. I have certain conditions on my role. Lets just say that if I wasn't sure about deconduo I'd be dead right now. | ||
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Kitaman: Ace was involved in last night's hit and is also responsible the spread of M-Rus. He must be lynched. Ace: So you pretty much are accusing me of being Scum. Why would I immediately role claim when I've said over 1,000 times I never role claim when I don't have to? You think it's strange that after a bunch of lurkers show up to vote me off that I do try to put some information out there to save myself? You think it's also weird that you want me lynched and I argue that you can't be telling the truth? Seriously? lol | ||
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On November 09 2010 00:46 L wrote: Ace, does your role have anything to do with m-rus? You haven't really claimed vig, but there's a second, unaccounted-for, portion of the kita claim against you. Please answer asap. In other news: How is it that people who were called out for active lurking have continued to active lurk and aren't being called out on it? The recent dancing around Kenpachi as a lynch target over Nemesis and Meapak doesn't seem to make much sense either; there's far more evidence of scum play for the aforementioned latter two, whereas the former seems to be getting voted exclusively on the condition that the votes will change. That's fucking odd bro. Yeah, nevermind this, I just relooked over the last page. Seems I missed your small EWBOP post on my first read through and I had the hit synopsis you posted on the page before in my mind, so I was wondering why you were saying that you adopted kita's position when you had said the opposite less than 20 posts away. I don't know about the M-rus stuff since that isn't in my role description. Maybe I got infected which would be a reason why Scum haven't capped my yet. @kitaman: well yea we'll call a truce. The quick voters who jumped on the wagon are more eye popping targets right now. | ||
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So last night you didn't think I was scum, but now you do? | ||
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On November 09 2010 08:32 kitaman27 wrote: Was this a vote because Pandain is your number one scum target or a vote for self preservation? Both but mostly the former. I actually temporarily put Pandain out of my mind because of the fast vote of all the lurkers. | ||
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@kita: you still got that vote on me. I'm feeling a bit uneasy with the sudden activity. | ||
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On November 09 2010 09:35 Infundibulum wrote: it still boggles me that out of all the detectives not one checked Ace all game (unless there's an unclaimed DT out there) Or a DT checked me and found me innocent. | ||
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On November 09 2010 09:38 Glasse wrote: he would have said something, mr mafia If I'm innocent and a DT checks me why would he out himself if he hasn't found any guilty results? durrrr? | ||
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Pandain, who came up with this crazy plan to save himself from a sure lynch. Pandain, who I said "you need to convince townies to vote for KtheZ lol good luck". Pandain, who always cried "op me!" in IRC while I was trying to watch porn. Pandain, who had so many obvious scum moments but listened to us and just slept his way out of the thread at convenient times. Pandain, who defied my advice and claimed an active role and still managed to dupe the town with a role that should have been scrutinized more. Pandain, who nightkilled Jcarl and made me wonder why the fuck did we even pick him? Pandain, who probably should have been the first Scum lynched. Pandain, probably gets the Most Improved Player award because the day of his lynch elevated his game. He learned how to lie like a master Scum player then deflect all attention away. Even youngminii's cries of "fucking lynch already!" couldn't stop the rape. Epic. | ||
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On November 12 2010 10:37 infinitestory wrote: nicely played by L and Pandain, but L should have been lynched 100%. I have almost no idea how he wasn't. the entire LD vs L shitfest boils down to: LunarD: hey i wanna side with town, everyone cool with taht? L: NO UR LYING THE ONLY WAY YOU CAN WIN IS IF YOU SIDE WITH MAFIA... (what kind of right-minded townie would try to argue to a 3rd party that their only chance of winning is to side with mafia?) and watch this, he's not even right about that: if you had lynched Kenpachi and L, then Pandain hit by 3rd party at night, the town would have won come day because NB would have killed Node, also causing his own death. the town was pretty indecisive, a recurring theme... since they spread their votes so epically, the mafia could have basically all claimed right before the lynch and still put the 2nd kill (besides kenpachi) on whoever they wanted anyway... it's no wonder Nemesis died instead of Pandain or L, and that sealed it. congratulations mafia, it came down to the very end indeed... can't wait to see awards Actually I'm glad L kept arguing the way he did. 3rd party says they could win with Town or Scum but could have been lying. They could have had a win by themselves condition and just said it to stay alive. No way anyone could know ^_^ My major issue with this game was that the Mafia had 2KP, where as the Town has a TON of KP. This game was close yet only ONE Mafia player was ever lynched. This was an easy Scum win that turned into a drag out game because of the amounts of non-scum KP that ran rampant. | ||
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On November 12 2010 10:49 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Mafia had NB which by the oracle they could direct via the bus, and they had murrayitis (which I had expected to spread more). Drugs dealer could have been used on cubed. I think mafia had enough weapons this game. Town only had 2 vigs which died if they missed and only had one hit, a mad hatter that kills himself, a zombie that gets one hit from the grave and the town hero if he got a lynch right. It was that the third party turned on the mafia that caused the most casualties. 2 Vigis Mad hatter Zombie Double lynches Town hero which adds up to 10 KP for 9 Mafia. - whoa? vs 2 Scum KP + "1" Our random +1 KP can hit us and is by nature random so the fact that we have to use a busdriver negates any advantage that kill could have for us. Then you have a role that says where the KP is going to hit so docs can just smash it. That same random KP actually almost cost us because it targeted NB and we had to come up with a busdriver action to save him. Above all else our KP could be reduced to 1. That is A LOT of hoops to jump through. I understand that the modkills threw this off but when the Town only lynched 1 Scum player successfully, then has a confirmed 3rd party hit 2 Scum that's either a ton of luck or a ton of KP that the town could throw away and still come out ahead. Either way like I said, the town only had 1 successful lynch. I also understand the mrus thing. It was a good mechanic. If we had a bit better communication with some of our Scum team maybe it would have done more damage. Still that doesn't ignore the fact that there is 10 KP for 9 Scum out there This is our QT that we stopped using because we just stayed in IRC later: http://www.quicktopic.com/45/H/w6BP87KQvQ5 On November 12 2010 10:50 infinitestory wrote: i think that the town KP and superpowers certainly balances out with the fact that the mafia can share roles and have a significant amount more information than the town, and that allows the mafia to manipulate better next post is 1000 so im thinking about saving it for something edit: although admittedly like 500 of my posts hav been in mafia forum When the Town has a lot of power roles, and certainly in a game where it's all Power Roles the Mafia pretty much NEED to have a lot of members or super roles to have a chance. The Scum will always start with more information than the town but that doesn't mean the Town should have enough KP to kill over half the Mafia. Normally you want the town to at least have to lynch correctly a few times to win and at the end of the day they only lynched correctly once. If the town had played a bit better or we played worse then no amount of Scum manipulation would have helped. 10 KP, lots of medics, a few roles to stop infection, 4 information roles and some good game planning would have stomped us into the ground. Remember only one lynch was on a Scum and it was still a contest. | ||
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On November 12 2010 11:03 LunarDestiny wrote: instead of arguing about the balance in the game. Why don't you argue against the difference between a tracker and a watcher? Just read about 20 pages back when I used that one to stay alive. | ||
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On November 12 2010 11:39 Coagulation wrote: also i will mention doch did a damn fine job putting up with the barrage of mafia attacks on him and holding his cool and keeping town together. if anyone gets any kind of pressure under fire award this game DOCH wins hands down. Yea I felt bad for Dr.H. While he wasn't always on the right track the Town was so bad he never had a chance to cut through all the bullshit. By the time Infinitestory came around it was too late. I guess now Dr.H knows how it feels to appear so pro-town and have to deal with bad townies and Scum undermining you and how hard it is to find the difference. | ||
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On November 12 2010 12:26 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Do you think I did alright for my first time as town? Please stroke my broken ego You did above average for a first time town. Kept your cool, kept trying to steer town in the right direction and most importantly kept the flow of information perfect. Keeping the town on a need to know basis is important because as you saw the last 2 days - too much information can lead to the town making some really weird decisions. Better yet you had some good explanations for why some of us could have been Mafia but with little help early on and some key players dying you got screwed. I'm pretty sure if Fishball lived or bumatlarge got to live longer you would have had a better shot. Overall you weren't a great scumhunter which is understandable but you were an above average leader. I think if you figured out Youngminii was 100% pro-town earlier in the game, with Infinitestory coming around things would have been much harder for us as we can't take out 3 obvious pro-town players so easily. | ||
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I think the major thing you could have done is just get Dr.H and IS to be like yo, let's all just focus on ONE guy - Pandain. Then watch how everything shakes out after. No idea if that would got me lynched because I was pushing for Pandain to die hard Day 3. | ||
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On November 12 2010 13:03 youngminii wrote: Damn. I probably would've, but then that stupid rolecheck came back and messed with us. Should've seen through it, there is no reason why Pandain would have lived through those nights if he really was what he claimed he was. Yea. There was a conversation in IRC where I said like, I don't know 15 things as to why Pandain should be dead now. I was like "Pandain if I was town I really would be pushing hard for your lynch." The big kicker that the Town really, really, really forgot that should have gotten Pandain lynched: Dr.H said he could confirm his role. Pandain then claims he can too. Pandain doesn't get elected Mayor and then DAYS later when pressured Pandain finally role claims. He never offered up any free information for a guy who promised to scumhunt. I said something earlier about scum always making promises to do something and then never do it because the town doesn't hold them accountable. Lol perfect example right there. To make it even worse and more ironic, Dr.H couldn't confirm himself so Pandain screams YOU MUST BE SCUM! while also being unable to confirm his role. Good thing lots of townies drowned out any attempt of you guys trying to figure out the bullshit. | ||
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On November 12 2010 13:57 LSB wrote: Thats a metagame policy, and in reality, no one cares about the metagame. You only care about insane mafia. All the other games don't matter. You should have let Ares live, he obviously didn't know about LaL, so it wasn't effective It's not like Aeres lie helped the town. Where did it get them? We figured out that even if he's telling the truth the claim is ridiculous. Town gets confused off of it easily. | ||
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On November 12 2010 14:31 infinitestory wrote: ^more like nobody listened when I said "That wasn't a scum play, it was a misguided, badly executed town play" ;___; actually wait that was your fault > lol and I'm glad you said it. You clearly saw the difference between "this is either Scum play or a bad town play". As Scum I was clearly going to push for an easy lynch like that. A town player with an unprovable claim and it makes no sense? Just drown out all the people who realize it may be a bad town lie and get the lynch, then lol at being the first on the wagon and watch 8 other people hop on. But hey I hope this was a lesson to players about why lying as town can be a brutal blow. At the end of the day after Aeres died there were no leads into any Scum suspects, Aeres is gone, Dr.H is now open to be killed because the real BG died and lots of information on what roles are in the game fell into Scum hands. This is why lying as town is a pretty big deal - when it's all said and done how do you find out where the Scum are? | ||
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
On February 26 2019 00:05 Pandain wrote: Strong memories of Ace yelling at me in our mafia quicktopic. Legendary game though. 😁 Those were the days of pure chaos and joking around in the Scum QT. I should have bet Caller on who would be first to get lynched. | ||
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