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@KtheZ: yes 
I remember in Day 1, Dr.H claimed to be able to prove his role. Pandain also said he could too, then later mentioned to give him some time to do it iirc.
So far, Pandain has not come out with any information to prove his role is pro-town. Also to add, he heavily called Dr.H a liar.
I pointed out many times Dr.H is not a liar because it wasn't conclusive enough to say what happened Night 1. Whereas with Aeres it was a blatant lie. However, Pandain kept pushing that point without thinking about the situation - pretty much excessive focusing on Dr.H
So if Pandain was really pro-town - why hasn't he come out with his role claim yet? Either he screwed up proving it Night1, couldn't prove it Night 1, or can't.
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On November 04 2010 10:13 youngminii wrote:
Hang on, he says his role is ADD Detective but he RNGs a target. But the ADD Doctor has a 10% chance of killing his patient if his patient wasn't 'sick'. Shouldn't that make an ADD Detective a Detective that gets a wrong reading 10% of the time?
Food for thought, don't look into it too much (yet).
Even if his check is 10% wrong, it's better for him to reveal his information.
Usually I'd ask for more proof before trusting a DT, but looking at Coag's posts - I mean really why not believe him. If his check is wrong then it landed on someone who buddied up quite well to a suspected Scum player.
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On November 04 2010 10:18 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
detective is probably the worst role for a mafia to fake in any game, this game in particular tbh
o.0
You'd be surprised. Millers + Sanity = lots of room to fakeclaim.
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On November 04 2010 10:23 infinitestory wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2010 10:22 Ace wrote:On November 04 2010 10:18 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
detective is probably the worst role for a mafia to fake in any game, this game in particular tbh o.0 You'd be surprised. Millers + Sanity = lots of room to fakeclaim. what role would millers show up as? definitely not regular red goons
They do if the game is using an alignment check and not role check. You don't see Miller, you see X player is Scum not knowing they are a Miller.
On November 04 2010 10:23 DoctorHelvetica wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2010 10:22 Ace wrote:On November 04 2010 10:18 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
detective is probably the worst role for a mafia to fake in any game, this game in particular tbh o.0 You'd be surprised. Millers + Sanity = lots of room to fakeclaim. In a game where no role is certain it's hard to fake. No one knows what roles exist in the game so it's hard to fake rolechecks when you have to make shit up. That's why I feel Godfather is underpowered in this game as well, nothing is cut and dry.
If no role is certain then no one can actually say your claim is bullshit, unless it's really outlandish.
But the Miller + Sanity comment was more for standard games. People fake claim detective, get an innocent lynched or near lynched and claim they aren't a normal detective. I don't usually believe it but you'd be surprised at what kind of claims get thrown out there.
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On November 04 2010 10:30 youngminii wrote:
I would agree with Nemesis but that was pushed forward by Ace. I'm still wary of bum's death post to be honest.
Shouldn't you be as well?
What was pushed forward by me? bum never had a death post, Dr.H and I revealed we were both Masoned to him and I revealed the PMs between us.
@infinitestory : I was talking about standard games. It's either one or the other. If there are Millers in the game I doubt the rolecheck would return Miller as that just defeats the point of the role.
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On November 04 2010 10:40 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
how does this indirectly confirm you as town at all
Stop talking to him. He's gone.
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@Infinitestory: Sorry my mistake then. I just remember talking to bum via PM before updating the thread.
@Dr.H: No point in even going further with this. Let's go back to Day 1:
When Dr.H claims that he has a role that can confirm himself to be town, Pandain also does the same. Pandain also says even if he doesn't get Mayor, he'd be able to do this.
Now, it's Day 3 and Pandain doesn't reveal the result of any of this until now. When I read his posts on Day 1, it sounded like his role could be instantly confirmed pro-town and not something that would rely on random chance.
So if Pandain knows his role relied on random chance then why did he seem so sure he could confirm himself easily?
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On November 04 2010 10:47 Pandain wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2010 10:47 Ace wrote:
@Infinitestory: Sorry my mistake then. I just remember talking to bum via PM before updating the thread.
@Dr.H: No point in even going further with this. Let's go back to Day 1:
When Dr.H claims that he has a role that can confirm himself to be town, Pandain also does the same. Pandain also says even if he doesn't get Mayor, he'd be able to do this.
Now, it's Day 3 and Pandain doesn't reveal the result of any of this until now. When I read his posts on Day 1, it sounded like his role could be instantly confirmed pro-town and not something that would rely on random chance.
So if Pandain knows his role relied on random chance then why did he seem so sure he could confirm himself easily?
1.I said it would take a couple days 2.I said it would be indirect
If you say it would take a couple of days and be indirect:
Then how come you felt so strongly against Dr.H if you're own role wouldn't be so powerful? Those are 2 weak reasons to claim you can confirm yourself pro-town when you made it seem so good. How is that better than a Vigilante claiming he could shoot the scummiest person to confirm himself?
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Ok let me get this straight then:
You could have confirmed yourself via alignment checks, but you just happened to always hit pro-town players and now that you're on the noose is the only reason you are claiming your role.
That's it right?
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But he checked you and Nemesis. Maybe he was suspicious of you, but when was he suspicious of Nemesis?
Basically if he's looking for alignment checks then he'd be checking the people he felt were the scummiest players right?
So I guess the real question here is to see if Pandain was always checking who he felt was Scum based on his posts in the thread. The problem here is that Dr.H was his main target.
That being said if Pandain felt that you and Nemesis were supporting Dr.H then maybe his checks do add up.
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On November 04 2010 11:20 kitaman27 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2010 11:19 Ace wrote:
But he checked you and Nemesis. Maybe he was suspicious of you, but when was he suspicious of Nemesis?
Basically if he's looking for alignment checks then he'd be checking the people he felt were the scummiest players right?
So I guess the real question here is to see if Pandain was always checking who he felt was Scum based on his posts in the thread. The problem here is that Dr.H was his main target.
That being said if Pandain felt that you and Nemesis were supporting Dr.H then maybe his checks do add up. He claims its random.
ah yea, my bad. I forgot. Maybe his role really is legit then.
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On November 04 2010 11:53 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
I say we lynch Ace and KtheZ if pandain flips blue. If he flips red we lynch Nemesis and Deconduo.
that's why we should use a vig hit IMO
Excuse me? Explain sir.
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Usually you can't move bombs in the daytime.
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On November 04 2010 12:13 DoctorHelvetica wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2010 12:10 Ace wrote:On November 04 2010 11:53 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
I say we lynch Ace and KtheZ if pandain flips blue. If he flips red we lynch Nemesis and Deconduo.
that's why we should use a vig hit IMO Excuse me? Explain sir. I'm not impressed with your "scumhunting" in this game, you're basically picking the weakest targets. I feel like if mafia were going to hit any experienced player it would be you first and you didn't roleclaim to bumatlarge even though he was probably the surest blue in the game and the only one you could PM with (to our knowledge) If you're mafia you'd also be the ideal person to save with a bus. It comes down to the lynch turnout but if pandain turns blue I don't have a better target besides perhaps infinitestory.
How is picking Pandain weak when you yourself pointed out he was scummy? Bum and I BOTH agreed he was fishy. Several other players also said Pandain was scummy. So please do explain how me saying Pandain is scummy means I'm picking on a weak player. If he's playing like obvious Scum then guess what - he's probably Scum. You seem to be trying to save face with every lynch by saying "well if we're wrong, look at this person!". You pegged Pandain as scum also so how does that make me Scummy and you innocent?
Also that's a WIFOM argument. If any experienced player is going to be protected it would probably be me and the circle never ends. There have also been many games where I've actually lived till Day 3 and was innocent. So what's your reasoning for that?
Secondly why would I roleclaim to bum? Everyone who knows how I play KNOWS I don't roleclaim unless I have to. I also do not share information unless people have to know. So why would I role claim to bum? I never knew if he was innocent, and you can also see in my private messages I said I don't know if he's a Scum Mason. So once again, explain WHY would I roleclaim to an unconfirmed townie? Bum was not the surest blue in the game so stop lying. The ONLY thing we knew about him was that he claimed Mason.
Lastly, there isn't a wagon or pressure on me so where does bussing come into play? Are you trying to undermine me in hopes of setting up a future lynch? Also explain how infinitestory is a better target if Pandain flips blue, when you just claimed we should lynch KtheZ if Pandain flips blue.
You are being really wishy-washy. In fact it looks like you'd rather lynch any of us pushing Pandain's lynch as if you KNOW he's going to flip innocent.
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I bet Doc's next argument is "because you have a defiler icon, you must be Scum!"
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Of course my defense is aggressive. I know I'm innocent, have been making sound arguments for Pandain's lynch and you say I should be lynched if he flips blue.
Surely you'd be a bit perturbed if someone is talking about putting the noose around your neck.
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If Pandain flipped blue I'd look at anyone else who tried to undermine your original campaign too.
I'd also look at the people who voted for you, and you yourself. I'm just as suspicious of you as you are of me. Before the lynch comes around you seem sure, but then you get a bit wishy-washy.
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Because he didn't believe IS? IS could have been scum and gotten an ally lynched to gain town credibility.
Add in that he already suspected Pandain as Scum, makes sense to check against IS to see what IS flips if he thinks there's a chance IS might be town aligned. If IS flipped Town then he would know that they were of opposite alignments and could indeed claim that either/or Pandain/IS are scum.
They both flipped SCUM so he's pretty sure he's an insane DT now since he bought in to IS being pro-town.
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Probably ended up like this:
DC puts a bomb on beyonder and deconduo with all 3 dying.
Beyonder had a voodoo doll on Dr. H.
Scum hit some combination of NB, Dr.H, and Cubed. This assumes Node is telling the truth about NB. Which would mean NB got protected by a medic and Dr.H and Cube got popped.
Being that we know Cubed was telling the truth, then we just have to figure out who he protected last night. That being said if NB is alive and Node was telling the truth then there is another doctor out there or NB has a Vet/bulletproof kind of role.
Secondly has anyone thought that the +1 KP isn't Scum but possibly Serial Killer?
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On November 07 2010 09:10 infinitestory wrote:Show nested quote +On November 07 2010 09:07 Ace wrote:
Secondly has anyone thought that the +1 KP isn't Scum but possibly Serial Killer? I looked up Serial Killer on mafiascum.net, and that really worries me. However, I feel like since the +1 is stated as a Mafia KP (2+1), it's more likely a mafia doing.
I'm sure it's 2+1 also but I just looked through the OP and can't find that anywhere. Where is the Mafia KP listed?
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