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Vatican City State1650 Posts
On October 30 2010 15:03 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
considering you've called me out on two lies already in this thread that I immediately called out as bullshit (funny how you didn't respond either time) I'm not surprised you're trying to imply it again
Bullshit. You never cleared anyone's doubts. Those exchanges were buried under others' posts - but the suspicions still stand.
On October 30 2010 15:03 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
then i'm not infecting anyone throughout the whole game as I do this. meaning that my infection power is made 0, a shitty awful play. so I'm shooting myself in the foot to get confirmed blue status for almost no benefit (an extra vote whoopee). I'd have to lie to get a real infection off and plague doctos would know, could claim it, and get me lynched
Considering that the whole point of a Mafia Godfather is to appear as a confirmed townie, I'd say confirmed blue status is highly valuable. Valuable enough to disable one of their plaguebearers? Depends on how many they have, but I doubt Artanis put only put one in the game.
On October 30 2010 15:10 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
i am really not that capable of an this intricate of a plan as mafia, i didn't even think of some of the crazy possibilities you guys are coming up with. maybe ya'll woudl be better stickys than me
Looking at your post history, you were a mafia in every previous game you played. You certainly tried to appear capable enough when the needs fit you - and now you're playing the dunce?
On October 30 2010 12:34 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
I've been a scum mayor before and I know how they play and what they do.
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I gtg sleep now. I still say vote for me. :D
When have I ever acted suspiciously?  And I'm new, so I'm easy to figure out, but I'm also logical, which is what a mayor needs. ^_^
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Holy shit, guys, I go out for a night of Halloween weekend fun, and come back to all this??
@orgolove:
You're being an ass. You were kind of an ass in Haunted once your spreadsheet failed, and you're being more of an ass now. Yes, Dr.H made some modding mistakes. But Haunted was a HUGE game, and on top of that, it was a bumblefuck of situations with a shit ton of mod kills. You need to stop bringing it up because it's in the past and shit happens.
@Dr.H:
Yes, a lot of arguments have been made at you, and a lot of WIFOM has been brought up. However, I view a lot of it as people playing Devil's Advocate, as I was earlier. Asking all these questions and presenting different scenarios will get the town further into discussion. The fact that so much argument has been put upon you is because people fear you, which is both good and bad. The Mafia are probably terrified that you are gaining influence, and the town is afraid to trust you. That being said, I feel that your role claim gives you a lot of trust, and your posts and strategy has been extremely pro-town.
@town:
I encourage you all to keep thinking and presenting different scenarios and challenging theories. Leave the personal attacks at home, and post constructively. We still have ~15 hours to decide our Mayor.
With that, I'm gonna go to bed, don't have TOO many pages for me to read in the morning ^_^
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I'm taking my vote off of DrH and putting it on Fishball.
After all the WIFOM talk, theres one more thing to consider. If DrH was mafia, he could claim that he poked another mafia player, who has the ability to detect who follows him. So when the plague doctors go to "confirm" DrH, mafia is getting a list of all of the plague doctors.
Fishball seems less dangerous compared to what DrH can do if hes mafia. Fishball has to be able to stay consistent in the PMs in the circle and in the thread, and we will be able to check on him in two ways, especially with his activity level.
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United States4053 Posts
On October 30 2010 15:45 jcarlsoniv wrote:
Holy shit, guys, I go out for a night of Halloween weekend fun, and come back to all this??
@orgolove:
You're being an ass. You were kind of an ass in Haunted once your spreadsheet failed, and you're being more of an ass now. Yes, Dr.H made some modding mistakes. But Haunted was a HUGE game, and on top of that, it was a bumblefuck of situations with a shit ton of mod kills. You need to stop bringing it up because it's in the past and shit happens.
@Dr.H:
Yes, a lot of arguments have been made at you, and a lot of WIFOM has been brought up. However, I view a lot of it as people playing Devil's Advocate, as I was earlier. Asking all these questions and presenting different scenarios will get the town further into discussion. The fact that so much argument has been put upon you is because people fear you, which is both good and bad. The Mafia are probably terrified that you are gaining influence, and the town is afraid to trust you. That being said, I feel that your role claim gives you a lot of trust, and your posts and strategy has been extremely pro-town.
@town:
I encourage you all to keep thinking and presenting different scenarios and challenging theories. Leave the personal attacks at home, and post constructively. We still have ~15 hours to decide our Mayor.
With that, I'm gonna go to bed, don't have TOO many pages for me to read in the morning ^_^
Even though I did present a theory with which DrH could be a red and fake his role, I considered his play fairly town-oriented. But his subsequent defensiveness and posts like
On October 30 2010 14:33 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
watch the mafia keep grasping at straws to try to make me look bad and red when I've done more to show i'm town than anyone in this game
and then they want to vote for pandain lololol
reduced my trust in DrH significantly.
On top of that, his mayoral campaign is based on having an important role which he can 100% confirm as blue. Assuming his roleclaim is totally correct and leaves nothing out, it's probably not worth giving bodyguards to, since preventing Murrayitis is secondary to things such as scumhunting and DT work. Additionally, the scenario I put up seems to have given rise to a lot of discussion about possible ways mafia could thwart DrH's plan. So I can't put full confidence in DrH at the moment, as a townie or as a mayor.
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OMG, when I went to bed there was only around 20 pages, and when I woke up it's already 42 *-*.
From the posts three candidates made, I like Dr.H the most since he comes up with a most detailed why he should be elected. And by electing him as mayor, he needs to constantly prove his role to others, which if he fails, we can just lynch him.
Unless other candidates come up with a better campaign post, my vote goes to Dr.H. But I still hope to read a better campaign post from Pandain and Bumatlarge too.
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United States4053 Posts
On October 30 2010 16:51 Veldril wrote:
OMG, when I went to bed there was only around 20 pages, and when I woke up it's already 42 *-*.
From the posts three candidates made, I like Dr.H the most since he comes up with a most detailed why he should be elected. And by electing him as mayor, he needs to constantly prove his role to others, which if he fails, we can just lynch him.
Unless other candidates come up with a better campaign post, my vote goes to Dr.H. But I still hope to read a better campaign post from Pandain and Bumatlarge too.
Make sure you read through at least the last 5 pages before deciding on DrH, because a lot of arguments detailing why DrH's plan and campaign are less viable than originally presumed have been made in the last couple pages. I'm not saying don't vote for DrH. I'm saying make sure you have the same facts as the rest of the town before electing a mayor.
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Vatican City State1650 Posts
On October 30 2010 15:45 jcarlsoniv wrote:
You're being an ass. You were kind of an ass in Haunted once your spreadsheet failed, and you're being more of an ass now. Yes, Dr.H made some modding mistakes. But Haunted was a HUGE game, and on top of that, it was a bumblefuck of situations with a shit ton of mod kills. You need to stop bringing it up because it's in the past and shit happens.
Notice you're contradicting yourself here?
On October 30 2010 15:45 jcarlsoniv wrote:
it's in the past and shit happens.
On October 30 2010 15:45 jcarlsoniv wrote:
You were kind of an ass in Haunted once your spreadsheet failed
If aggressive interrogation doesn't suit your sensibilities, then perhaps this game is not for you. The issue here is DrH's suitability as a mayor. Considering the importance of such a position, anything goes.
Besides, If, as you truly did read through the past couple of pages, then you should have known that I won't bring it up myself - why are you opening up the discussion again? If you want to support DrH, you're only hurting your own cause by continuing this.
On October 30 2010 15:59 infinitestory wrote:Even though I did present a theory with which DrH could be a red and fake his role, I considered his play fairly town-oriented. But his subsequent defensiveness and posts like Show nested quote +On October 30 2010 14:33 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
watch the mafia keep grasping at straws to try to make me look bad and red when I've done more to show i'm town than anyone in this game
and then they want to vote for pandain lololol reduced my trust in DrH significantly. On top of that, his mayoral campaign is based on having an important role which he can 100% confirm as blue. Assuming his roleclaim is totally correct and leaves nothing out, it's probably not worth giving bodyguards to, since preventing Murrayitis is secondary to things such as scumhunting and DT work. Additionally, the scenario I put up seems to have given rise to a lot of discussion about possible ways mafia could thwart DrH's plan. So I can't put full confidence in DrH at the moment, as a townie or as a mayor.
Agreed. Considering how he's become increasingly emotional and frustrated as time went by, I highly doubt DrH can keep his cool as a Mayor. If a candidate can't handle the muckraking during the campaigning, how will he handle the extreme scrutiny he'll be under as the mayor? We don't need someone who can't even stay levelheaded when answering questions about his past, especially someone who can't let go of a grudge on two questions about his honesty.
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Vatican City State1650 Posts
DoctorHelvetica's Candidacy: The Reality
Just step back, and take a look. Forget all personal feelings, and just look at the facts.
We are trying to vote for a mayor of the town. The chosen will:
- Kill one person of his choice immediately at the end of the first day
- have increased voting power for each subsequent lynches
- near invincibility to night kills thanks to the presence of bodyguards
It is not a decision to be made lightly. If we select a mafia into the position, it would be a disaster of cosmic proportions. Conversely, if we select an important blue into the position, the town will be much closer to victory.
DrH's candidacy hinges on two points.
- His claim that his role is extremely important - so much so that his role deserves the extra protection afforded to the mayor.
- His claim that he is not a red, and that he will roleclaim without a shadow of doubt after the first day.
To support his first point, he revealed that his role is "Mr Sticky," a role that allows him to "poke" someone as his night action. If his claim is correct, he will then know if the target has Murrayitis.
On October 30 2010 13:43 DoctorHelvetica wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2010 13:40 kingjames01 wrote:On October 30 2010 13:31 bumatlarge wrote:
I think it's safe to say you are claiming plague doctor, and the person you protect gets notified that you did this? That could be convenient. I do find it possible that mafia could have there own plague doctor, but Im not here to speculate that. If you use your power on me, and I can add you, we can start a circle. To verify it, you would give me one bodyguard who I would relay all of the information I learn. A medic can protect me if they wish, without fearing M-rus. If there is another plague doctor besides Dr.H (if that is what you are) Id suggst picking fishball, who has stated he has means to a circle and a role. That way another medic can choose between myself and fishball to protect. Whats really important is that the medics are safe in this from the M-rus, and if fishball or I die from a lucky shot by mafia, then oh well, fishball or myself die.
Is this plausible Dr. H? If so, then you have my vote. DrH is NOT claiming Plague Doctor. He says that he can tell if someone has the plague but he cannot confer immunity. His other apparent ability is to have Artanis PM a player with confirmation that DrH is who he says he is. I'm still not sure why that would be related to Sticky. sticky is a stick I poke people with a stick and they are told if I poked them or not. If the poke is unsuccessful than I know that person has m-rus or that I was roleblocked if there is a roleblocker.
Remember the mechanic of Murrayitis:
On October 29 2010 07:44 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Murrayitis Mechanics. The amount of people infected with Murrayitis is posted at the start of the day. Murrayitis is transferred if a carrier is visited, or visits someone during the night. Doctors can cure someone from Murrayitis. While Plague Doctors can cure and transfer immunity to someone with Murrayitis. If over half of the Game has Murrayitis, every carrier of Murrayitis dies.
So let me reiterate. According to his own descriptions, DrH can check ONE person a night to see if he has Murrayitis.
Murrayitis isn't a disease that kills immediately. Rather than acting on a timer, it requires the mafia to go through and infect more than half the town.
If the mafia managed to infect over 20 townies, then the game's probably already over.
You decide - is the ability to check what is essentially second priority on ONE person ONE night, in a 40 person game, so important that it requires the protection afforded to a mayor?
Next, to support his second point, he continued from his roleclaim and declared that by "poking" someone the first night and having the target confirm the event, he will definitely be shown as a blue.
Considering the number of unknowns in this game, there are so many potential traps in here that we can't possibly trust this. And apparently I'm not the only one to pick up on it. Just to name a few:
On October 30 2010 13:12 kingjames01 wrote:
Everyone, consider this scenario. The mafia share the names and abilities of their individual roles with the group. DrH claims the name and abilities of one of his mafia teammates, ie. "Sticky". He gets elected mayor during the day and then at night, he gets elected Godfather. As Godfather, he chooses to appear as "Sticky" to any detective checks. At night, the real "Sticky" does whatever "Stickies" are supposed to do. When day breaks, DrH claims responsibility so we start to believe him more. We go along with his scheming and then we lose.
On October 30 2010 13:51 infinitestory wrote:Just thought of another way DrH might fake the role: Suppose his claim about the poking is correct, including that the poked knows DrH did the poking. But say DrH were a mafia and the 1 person infected with Murrayitis. This "poke" could be the method by which he transfers Murrayitis... and the person poked would still confirm that DrH poked him, thus establishing credibility. The plague doctors would immunize the people DrH tells them to, possibly including any reds that end up infected. This possibility has me extremely paranoid  if only because it gives the reds such a gigantic advantage. The only ways I can think of to beat this scenario are very WIFOM. On October 30 2010 13:31 kingjames01 wrote:I just want to point out that Sticky is the name of the stick that Bill Murray used to defend himself when the mafia took him out in Mafia XXXI. I don't think that is a coincidence since a major theme of this game is Bill Murray. Show nested quote +On October 13 2010 13:02 BrownBear wrote:Night 3 It was a dark and stormy night. The survivors huddled in the ruins of their houses, shivering, makeshift weapons pointed at the doors. Bill Murray had found a pointy stick. It was his favorite pointy stick. He had named it Sticky. Thunder crashed in the distance as he shivered in his bed, Sticky pointed directly at the door, pointy end first.
The door creaked open. Bill Murray leaped up and screamed "PROTECT ME, STICKY!!!", then charged at the door, Sticky first.Bill Murray the Miller is now dead. Anybody have any ideas how this is related to DrH's role? Maybe if we can figure that out we can confirm/deny DrH's claims. On October 30 2010 13:55 kingjames01 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2010 13:51 infinitestory wrote:Just thought of another way DrH might fake the role: Suppose his claim about the poking is correct, including that the poked knows DrH did the poking. But say DrH were a mafia and the 1 person infected with Murrayitis. This "poke" could be the method by which he transfers Murrayitis... and the person poked would still confirm that DrH poked him, thus establishing credibility. The plague doctors would immunize the people DrH tells them to, possibly including any reds that end up infected. This possibility has me extremely paranoid if only because it gives the reds such a gigantic advantage. The only ways I can think of to beat this scenario are very WIFOM. DAMN. That's so true. I was so excited to figure out the connection that I forgot to stay suspicious. IF Bill Murry died while using Sticky, then it's VERY LIKELY that Sticky is infected with Murrayitis. If Sticky pokes someone that would pass it on... Then DrH pretends to be notified. On October 30 2010 14:05 kingjames01 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2010 13:56 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On October 30 2010 13:55 kingjames01 wrote:On October 30 2010 13:51 infinitestory wrote:Just thought of another way DrH might fake the role: Suppose his claim about the poking is correct, including that the poked knows DrH did the poking. But say DrH were a mafia and the 1 person infected with Murrayitis. This "poke" could be the method by which he transfers Murrayitis... and the person poked would still confirm that DrH poked him, thus establishing credibility. The plague doctors would immunize the people DrH tells them to, possibly including any reds that end up infected. This possibility has me extremely paranoid if only because it gives the reds such a gigantic advantage. The only ways I can think of to beat this scenario are very WIFOM. DAMN. That's so true. I was so excited to figure out the connection that I forgot to stay suspicious. IF Bill Murry died while using Sticky, then it's VERY LIKELY that Sticky is infected with Murrayitis. If Sticky pokes someone that would pass it on... Then DrH pretends to be notified. You're speculating on mod logic based on the storyline of a past game pretty far out there if you ask me. this is getting way too meta. I disagree. Your role is "Sticky". You admitted that yourself. It cannot be denied that the theme of the game revolves around Bill Murray. My logic isn't based on the storyline of a past game. It's based on finding connections around the theme: - Bill Murray died in Haunted Mafia giving rise to Murrayitis - Bill Murray died in Mafia XXXI holding a sticky named Sticky - There is an actual role called "Sticky" - Sticky's ability involves poking people Show nested quote +On October 29 2010 06:46 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Day 1
Rise and Shine! It is now Day 1! And no one is infected by Murrayitis... Yet. If no one has Murrayitis yet, then no PERSON has Murrayitis yet. However, a Sticky might. That Sticky is you. On October 30 2010 14:27 infinitestory wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2010 14:21 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On October 30 2010 14:20 Coagulation wrote:On October 30 2010 14:05 kingjames01 wrote:On October 30 2010 13:56 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On October 30 2010 13:55 kingjames01 wrote:On October 30 2010 13:51 infinitestory wrote:Just thought of another way DrH might fake the role: Suppose his claim about the poking is correct, including that the poked knows DrH did the poking. But say DrH were a mafia and the 1 person infected with Murrayitis. This "poke" could be the method by which he transfers Murrayitis... and the person poked would still confirm that DrH poked him, thus establishing credibility. The plague doctors would immunize the people DrH tells them to, possibly including any reds that end up infected. This possibility has me extremely paranoid if only because it gives the reds such a gigantic advantage. The only ways I can think of to beat this scenario are very WIFOM. DAMN. That's so true. I was so excited to figure out the connection that I forgot to stay suspicious. IF Bill Murry died while using Sticky, then it's VERY LIKELY that Sticky is infected with Murrayitis. If Sticky pokes someone that would pass it on... Then DrH pretends to be notified. You're speculating on mod logic based on the storyline of a past game pretty far out there if you ask me. this is getting way too meta. I disagree. Your role is "Sticky". You admitted that yourself. It cannot be denied that the theme of the game revolves around Bill Murray. My logic isn't based on the storyline of a past game. It's based on finding connections around the theme: - Bill Murray died in Haunted Mafia giving rise to Murrayitis - Bill Murray died in Mafia XXXI holding a sticky named Sticky - There is an actual role called "Sticky" - Sticky's ability involves poking people On October 29 2010 06:46 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Day 1
Rise and Shine! It is now Day 1! And no one is infected by Murrayitis... Yet. If no one has Murrayitis yet, then no PERSON has Murrayitis yet. However, a Sticky might. That Sticky is you. the plot thickens. however i cant help but notice that he revealed his role honestly ( as far as we know it was pretty much confirmed by the fact that we found a logical link to it in another game that fits perfectly?) then there is still the chance hes mafia sticky. but I cant see a scum willingly giving up this kind of info like that. I hate the way drH plays but his story is starting to come together. i still worry that he is too fucking good at this game to chance him possibly gaining such an advantage as a red. again why would mafia have a sticky, a role clearly designed to stop the spread of m-rus, a disease that benefits mafia Even assuming what you've told us is the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth, there's an advantage in rallying the plague doctors to cure infected reds. I want to see something more well thought out, please~ @Meapak_Ziphh: I'm not considering whether "sticky" represents a m-itis infector or a m-itis stopper. I'm just presenting a possible scenario which, if nobody finds a way around it, compromises DrH's claim of 100% guaranteed proof of townieness. It doesn't bank on meta at all. On October 30 2010 14:44 Ace wrote:That doesn't confirm your alignment though  On October 30 2010 14:59 orgolove wrote:-_- Show nested quote +On October 30 2010 14:53 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On October 30 2010 13:51 infinitestory wrote:Just thought of another way DrH might fake the role: Suppose his claim about the poking is correct, including that the poked knows DrH did the poking. But say DrH were a mafia and the 1 person infected with Murrayitis. This "poke" could be the method by which he transfers Murrayitis... and the person poked would still confirm that DrH poked him, thus establishing credibility. The plague doctors would immunize the people DrH tells them to, possibly including any reds that end up infected. This possibility has me extremely paranoid if only because it gives the reds such a gigantic advantage. The only ways I can think of to beat this scenario are very WIFOM. here is my solution: if plague doctors visit the people I poke, then the numbers of murrayitis won't rise assuming that I am the one transferring murrayitis (a scenario which i would call extremely unlikely) I can prove I'm townie because mafia don't know who I will confirm to. They thus can't infect that person reliably and it will become evident very soon that the people I'm poking do not have murrayitis. If they infect that person that night they would do so to trick plague doctors. If we discover this is their pattern of infection then there will never be a spread of infections because plague doctors just visit the people I poke. this forces mafia to infect other people, which means I'll be confirmed. it is a bigger loss to them to infect nobody than it is to let me get off confirmed as town so I think it'll work out. does that make sense? And no, that won't work. In a game where we don't know how many plaguebearers there are, if the mafia ever has their own plague doctors, then the numbers can remain the same while the mafia "heals" one of their previous disease hits.
Thus, not only is his ability, if true, unworthy of mayoral protection, we won't even be sure that he can reveal himself as a townie beyond doubt.
I close this with one last thing I place under your consideration. The Town Mayor is a position of leadership. Both with his ability to immediately lynch 1 player, as well as his increased number of votes in the daily lynches, the mayor has a responsibility to take charge of the town and be a levelheaded leader who will not be guided by emotion.
If we do get an experienced, well-intentioned and collected leader
However, DoctorHelvetica has been increasingly emotional and defensive as questions against his alignment mounted.
On October 30 2010 14:19 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
you like to paint me as a liar whenever you can based on posts you don't even have the reading comprehension to understand
On October 30 2010 15:12 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
fair enough. I'm not the one starting the WIFOM bullshit. On October 30 2010 14:33 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
watch the mafia keep grasping at straws to try to make me look bad and red when I've done more to show i'm town than anyone in this game
and then they want to vote for pandain lololol
DrH could not keep his cool when people merely questioned him during his candidacy. Can we truly trust him to lead the town as a mayor, unaffected by his personal bias?
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On October 30 2010 16:53 infinitestory wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2010 16:51 Veldril wrote:
OMG, when I went to bed there was only around 20 pages, and when I woke up it's already 42 *-*.
From the posts three candidates made, I like Dr.H the most since he comes up with a most detailed why he should be elected. And by electing him as mayor, he needs to constantly prove his role to others, which if he fails, we can just lynch him.
Unless other candidates come up with a better campaign post, my vote goes to Dr.H. But I still hope to read a better campaign post from Pandain and Bumatlarge too. Make sure you read through at least the last 5 pages before deciding on DrH, because a lot of arguments detailing why DrH's plan and campaign are less viable than originally presumed have been made in the last couple pages. I'm not saying don't vote for DrH. I'm saying make sure you have the same facts as the rest of the town before electing a mayor.
I understand where you come from. What I want to read is the constructive campaign posts from other candidates, which does not attack other candidates. So far from what I read (yeah, I read all the pages already), only Dr.H have the detailed, well formatted post why we should elect him. If other candidates can make such a post, then I will reconsider my vote.
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I voted for Dr.H. Here's why:
1. Even if he is Mafia, it's not as horrible as you make it out to be. Just always watch him with a degree of suspicion. Yes, he's less vulnerable to night kills, sure, but that doesn't matter if he's mafia. He's still just as vulnerable to lynching, correct? (but yes, I agree, lynching the mayor is not a great move for the town)
2. His role: there's all this discussion about it, but we don't even know the role list. It could be true, or not, but let's pretend it's not, and he's mafia. Why not make up a better role? He certainly has the imagination for it. Why would he claim THIS kind of role when he could make up everything else?
3. Experience. Yes, there are chances of him being mafia, and that could lead to a lot of manipulation, but we should always suspect that, and if we see that his planted ideas go nowhere, then we know who to turn against. If he ISN'T mafia, then he'll be of great value as mayor.
Just my two cents.
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On October 30 2010 15:05 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
the general town consensus is that the 2+1 mafia kp means that the "1" is probably a role that infects people with murrayitis
I don't want to be over-obvious, but I will say that I have information that has me believe that this is not the case. I can't say more at the moment as I'm already afraid that I've put myself too far in the open.
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Wow I go to sleep and then theres 22 pages to read when I get up again >.>
brb reading
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On October 30 2010 20:39 LSB wrote:
Cut the personal attacks
Maybe someone already contracts Murrayitis
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On October 30 2010 18:23 CubEdIn wrote:
I voted for Dr.H. Here's why:
1. Even if he is Mafia, it's not as horrible as you make it out to be. Just always watch him with a degree of suspicion. Yes, he's less vulnerable to night kills, sure, but that doesn't matter if he's mafia. He's still just as vulnerable to lynching, correct? (but yes, I agree, lynching the mayor is not a great move for the town)
2. His role: there's all this discussion about it, but we don't even know the role list. It could be true, or not, but let's pretend it's not, and he's mafia. Why not make up a better role? He certainly has the imagination for it. Why would he claim THIS kind of role when he could make up everything else?
3. Experience. Yes, there are chances of him being mafia, and that could lead to a lot of manipulation, but we should always suspect that, and if we see that his planted ideas go nowhere, then we know who to turn against. If he ISN'T mafia, then he'll be of great value as mayor.
Just my two cents.
1. No, it's pretty bad. We'd have to lose 1 townie, 1 double vote, and the definite protection of one strong player. Not to mention, Dr. H himself is a strong mafia player. You've seen the havoc he's caused over the last 20 pages. There's no doubt that he'll throw a shitstorm before he leaves office if he were mayor. Then the town goes into chaos... not cool.
2. Wifom.
3. It's not general experience. It's experience as mafia specifically. If he is mayor AND mafia, we know that he's going to cause town a lot of pain. If he is mayor and ISN'T mafia, we have no idea the value of him as mayor. Furthermore, Orgolove has argued the value of sticky being mayor. I somewhat agree, it doesn't seem that important. Especially since this is insane mafia. For all we know, Sticky could be a mafia role that spreads M-ris instead of being a town role that detects it. If this were the case, then Dr. H and mafia would suddenly know where a plague doctor goes every night, and either: A. Distract our plague doctor or B. kill him off somehow.
Overall, I'm against Dr. H being Mayor. I think his role isn't strong enough, and I think his campaign platform has basically been shattered. Btw, clearly no one's voting for me, T_T so I'll just retract my own nomination (but not my vote cuz I don't have a good mayor candidate yet).
ALSO, (I told myself to do this after Haunted Mafia) WHERE'S DIVINEK. Divinek you lurking scum, come out here.
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Orgolove, one more personal attack on Dr Helvetica or anyone else for that matter and you are insta modkilled. Choose your words wisely.
+ Show Spoiler +On October 30 2010 18:15 orgolove wrote:DoctorHelvetica's Candidacy: The RealityJust step back, and take a look. Forget all personal feelings, and just look at the facts. We are trying to vote for a mayor of the town. The chosen will: - Kill one person of his choice immediately at the end of the first day
- have increased voting power for each subsequent lynches
- near invincibility to night kills thanks to the presence of bodyguards
It is not a decision to be made lightly. If we select a mafia into the position, it would be a disaster of cosmic proportions. Conversely, if we select an important blue into the position, the town will be much closer to victory. DrH's candidacy hinges on two points. - His claim that his role is extremely important - so much so that his role deserves the extra protection afforded to the mayor.
- His claim that he is not a red, and that he will roleclaim without a shadow of doubt after the first day.
To support his first point, he revealed that his role is "Mr Sticky," a role that allows him to "poke" someone as his night action. If his claim is correct, he will then know if the target has Murrayitis. Show nested quote +On October 30 2010 13:43 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On October 30 2010 13:40 kingjames01 wrote:On October 30 2010 13:31 bumatlarge wrote:
I think it's safe to say you are claiming plague doctor, and the person you protect gets notified that you did this? That could be convenient. I do find it possible that mafia could have there own plague doctor, but Im not here to speculate that. If you use your power on me, and I can add you, we can start a circle. To verify it, you would give me one bodyguard who I would relay all of the information I learn. A medic can protect me if they wish, without fearing M-rus. If there is another plague doctor besides Dr.H (if that is what you are) Id suggst picking fishball, who has stated he has means to a circle and a role. That way another medic can choose between myself and fishball to protect. Whats really important is that the medics are safe in this from the M-rus, and if fishball or I die from a lucky shot by mafia, then oh well, fishball or myself die.
Is this plausible Dr. H? If so, then you have my vote. DrH is NOT claiming Plague Doctor. He says that he can tell if someone has the plague but he cannot confer immunity. His other apparent ability is to have Artanis PM a player with confirmation that DrH is who he says he is. I'm still not sure why that would be related to Sticky. sticky is a stick I poke people with a stick and they are told if I poked them or not. If the poke is unsuccessful than I know that person has m-rus or that I was roleblocked if there is a roleblocker. Remember the mechanic of Murrayitis: Show nested quote +On October 29 2010 07:44 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Murrayitis Mechanics. The amount of people infected with Murrayitis is posted at the start of the day. Murrayitis is transferred if a carrier is visited, or visits someone during the night. Doctors can cure someone from Murrayitis. While Plague Doctors can cure and transfer immunity to someone with Murrayitis. If over half of the Game has Murrayitis, every carrier of Murrayitis dies. So let me reiterate. According to his own descriptions, DrH can check ONE person a night to see if he has Murrayitis. Murrayitis isn't a disease that kills immediately. Rather than acting on a timer, it requires the mafia to go through and infect more than half the town. If the mafia managed to infect over 20 townies, then the game's probably already over. You decide - is the ability to check what is essentially second priority on ONE person ONE night, in a 40 person game, so important that it requires the protection afforded to a mayor?
Next, to support his second point, he continued from his roleclaim and declared that by "poking" someone the first night and having the target confirm the event, he will definitely be shown as a blue. Considering the number of unknowns in this game, there are so many potential traps in here that we can't possibly trust this. And apparently I'm not the only one to pick up on it. Just to name a few: Show nested quote +On October 30 2010 13:12 kingjames01 wrote:
Everyone, consider this scenario. The mafia share the names and abilities of their individual roles with the group. DrH claims the name and abilities of one of his mafia teammates, ie. "Sticky". He gets elected mayor during the day and then at night, he gets elected Godfather. As Godfather, he chooses to appear as "Sticky" to any detective checks. At night, the real "Sticky" does whatever "Stickies" are supposed to do. When day breaks, DrH claims responsibility so we start to believe him more. We go along with his scheming and then we lose.
Show nested quote +On October 30 2010 13:51 infinitestory wrote:Just thought of another way DrH might fake the role: Suppose his claim about the poking is correct, including that the poked knows DrH did the poking. But say DrH were a mafia and the 1 person infected with Murrayitis. This "poke" could be the method by which he transfers Murrayitis... and the person poked would still confirm that DrH poked him, thus establishing credibility. The plague doctors would immunize the people DrH tells them to, possibly including any reds that end up infected. This possibility has me extremely paranoid if only because it gives the reds such a gigantic advantage. The only ways I can think of to beat this scenario are very WIFOM. Show nested quote +On October 30 2010 13:31 kingjames01 wrote:I just want to point out that Sticky is the name of the stick that Bill Murray used to defend himself when the mafia took him out in Mafia XXXI. I don't think that is a coincidence since a major theme of this game is Bill Murray. On October 13 2010 13:02 BrownBear wrote:Night 3 It was a dark and stormy night. The survivors huddled in the ruins of their houses, shivering, makeshift weapons pointed at the doors. Bill Murray had found a pointy stick. It was his favorite pointy stick. He had named it Sticky. Thunder crashed in the distance as he shivered in his bed, Sticky pointed directly at the door, pointy end first.
The door creaked open. Bill Murray leaped up and screamed "PROTECT ME, STICKY!!!", then charged at the door, Sticky first.Bill Murray the Miller is now dead. Anybody have any ideas how this is related to DrH's role? Maybe if we can figure that out we can confirm/deny DrH's claims. Show nested quote +On October 30 2010 13:55 kingjames01 wrote:On October 30 2010 13:51 infinitestory wrote:Just thought of another way DrH might fake the role: Suppose his claim about the poking is correct, including that the poked knows DrH did the poking. But say DrH were a mafia and the 1 person infected with Murrayitis. This "poke" could be the method by which he transfers Murrayitis... and the person poked would still confirm that DrH poked him, thus establishing credibility. The plague doctors would immunize the people DrH tells them to, possibly including any reds that end up infected. This possibility has me extremely paranoid if only because it gives the reds such a gigantic advantage. The only ways I can think of to beat this scenario are very WIFOM. DAMN. That's so true. I was so excited to figure out the connection that I forgot to stay suspicious. IF Bill Murry died while using Sticky, then it's VERY LIKELY that Sticky is infected with Murrayitis. If Sticky pokes someone that would pass it on... Then DrH pretends to be notified. Show nested quote +On October 30 2010 14:05 kingjames01 wrote:On October 30 2010 13:56 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On October 30 2010 13:55 kingjames01 wrote:On October 30 2010 13:51 infinitestory wrote:Just thought of another way DrH might fake the role: Suppose his claim about the poking is correct, including that the poked knows DrH did the poking. But say DrH were a mafia and the 1 person infected with Murrayitis. This "poke" could be the method by which he transfers Murrayitis... and the person poked would still confirm that DrH poked him, thus establishing credibility. The plague doctors would immunize the people DrH tells them to, possibly including any reds that end up infected. This possibility has me extremely paranoid if only because it gives the reds such a gigantic advantage. The only ways I can think of to beat this scenario are very WIFOM. DAMN. That's so true. I was so excited to figure out the connection that I forgot to stay suspicious. IF Bill Murry died while using Sticky, then it's VERY LIKELY that Sticky is infected with Murrayitis. If Sticky pokes someone that would pass it on... Then DrH pretends to be notified. You're speculating on mod logic based on the storyline of a past game pretty far out there if you ask me. this is getting way too meta. I disagree. Your role is "Sticky". You admitted that yourself. It cannot be denied that the theme of the game revolves around Bill Murray. My logic isn't based on the storyline of a past game. It's based on finding connections around the theme: - Bill Murray died in Haunted Mafia giving rise to Murrayitis - Bill Murray died in Mafia XXXI holding a sticky named Sticky - There is an actual role called "Sticky" - Sticky's ability involves poking people On October 29 2010 06:46 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Day 1
Rise and Shine! It is now Day 1! And no one is infected by Murrayitis... Yet. If no one has Murrayitis yet, then no PERSON has Murrayitis yet. However, a Sticky might. That Sticky is you. Show nested quote +On October 30 2010 14:27 infinitestory wrote:On October 30 2010 14:21 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On October 30 2010 14:20 Coagulation wrote:On October 30 2010 14:05 kingjames01 wrote:On October 30 2010 13:56 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On October 30 2010 13:55 kingjames01 wrote:On October 30 2010 13:51 infinitestory wrote:Just thought of another way DrH might fake the role: Suppose his claim about the poking is correct, including that the poked knows DrH did the poking. But say DrH were a mafia and the 1 person infected with Murrayitis. This "poke" could be the method by which he transfers Murrayitis... and the person poked would still confirm that DrH poked him, thus establishing credibility. The plague doctors would immunize the people DrH tells them to, possibly including any reds that end up infected. This possibility has me extremely paranoid if only because it gives the reds such a gigantic advantage. The only ways I can think of to beat this scenario are very WIFOM. DAMN. That's so true. I was so excited to figure out the connection that I forgot to stay suspicious. IF Bill Murry died while using Sticky, then it's VERY LIKELY that Sticky is infected with Murrayitis. If Sticky pokes someone that would pass it on... Then DrH pretends to be notified. You're speculating on mod logic based on the storyline of a past game pretty far out there if you ask me. this is getting way too meta. I disagree. Your role is "Sticky". You admitted that yourself. It cannot be denied that the theme of the game revolves around Bill Murray. My logic isn't based on the storyline of a past game. It's based on finding connections around the theme: - Bill Murray died in Haunted Mafia giving rise to Murrayitis - Bill Murray died in Mafia XXXI holding a sticky named Sticky - There is an actual role called "Sticky" - Sticky's ability involves poking people On October 29 2010 06:46 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Day 1
Rise and Shine! It is now Day 1! And no one is infected by Murrayitis... Yet. If no one has Murrayitis yet, then no PERSON has Murrayitis yet. However, a Sticky might. That Sticky is you. the plot thickens. however i cant help but notice that he revealed his role honestly ( as far as we know it was pretty much confirmed by the fact that we found a logical link to it in another game that fits perfectly?) then there is still the chance hes mafia sticky. but I cant see a scum willingly giving up this kind of info like that. I hate the way drH plays but his story is starting to come together. i still worry that he is too fucking good at this game to chance him possibly gaining such an advantage as a red. again why would mafia have a sticky, a role clearly designed to stop the spread of m-rus, a disease that benefits mafia Even assuming what you've told us is the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth, there's an advantage in rallying the plague doctors to cure infected reds. I want to see something more well thought out, please~ @Meapak_Ziphh: I'm not considering whether "sticky" represents a m-itis infector or a m-itis stopper. I'm just presenting a possible scenario which, if nobody finds a way around it, compromises DrH's claim of 100% guaranteed proof of townieness. It doesn't bank on meta at all. Show nested quote +On October 30 2010 14:44 Ace wrote:That doesn't confirm your alignment though Show nested quote +On October 30 2010 14:59 orgolove wrote:-_- On October 30 2010 14:53 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On October 30 2010 13:51 infinitestory wrote:Just thought of another way DrH might fake the role: Suppose his claim about the poking is correct, including that the poked knows DrH did the poking. But say DrH were a mafia and the 1 person infected with Murrayitis. This "poke" could be the method by which he transfers Murrayitis... and the person poked would still confirm that DrH poked him, thus establishing credibility. The plague doctors would immunize the people DrH tells them to, possibly including any reds that end up infected. This possibility has me extremely paranoid if only because it gives the reds such a gigantic advantage. The only ways I can think of to beat this scenario are very WIFOM. here is my solution: if plague doctors visit the people I poke, then the numbers of murrayitis won't rise assuming that I am the one transferring murrayitis (a scenario which i would call extremely unlikely) I can prove I'm townie because mafia don't know who I will confirm to. They thus can't infect that person reliably and it will become evident very soon that the people I'm poking do not have murrayitis. If they infect that person that night they would do so to trick plague doctors. If we discover this is their pattern of infection then there will never be a spread of infections because plague doctors just visit the people I poke. this forces mafia to infect other people, which means I'll be confirmed. it is a bigger loss to them to infect nobody than it is to let me get off confirmed as town so I think it'll work out. does that make sense? And no, that won't work. In a game where we don't know how many plaguebearers there are, if the mafia ever has their own plague doctors, then the numbers can remain the same while the mafia "heals" one of their previous disease hits.
Thus, not only is his ability, if true, unworthy of mayoral protection, we won't even be sure that he can reveal himself as a townie beyond doubt.I close this with one last thing I place under your consideration. The Town Mayor is a position of leadership. Both with his ability to immediately lynch 1 player, as well as his increased number of votes in the daily lynches, the mayor has a responsibility to take charge of the town and be a levelheaded leader who will not be guided by emotion. If we do get an experienced, well-intentioned and collected leader However, DoctorHelvetica has been increasingly emotional and defensive as questions against his alignment mounted. Show nested quote +On October 30 2010 14:19 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
you like to paint me as a liar whenever you can based on posts you don't even have the reading comprehension to understand
Show nested quote +On October 30 2010 15:12 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
fair enough. I'm not the one starting the WIFOM bullshit. Show nested quote +On October 30 2010 14:33 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
watch the mafia keep grasping at straws to try to make me look bad and red when I've done more to show i'm town than anyone in this game
and then they want to vote for pandain lololol DrH could not keep his cool when people merely questioned him during his candidacy. Can we truly trust him to lead the town as a mayor, unaffected by his personal bias?
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+ Show Spoiler +On October 30 2010 14:28 orgolove wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2010 14:19 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On October 30 2010 14:16 orgolove wrote:
lol, awesome find haha. Now we have second evidence of DoctorHelvetica "Embellishing the Truth" aka lying.
How could you not reveal the *slightly* important fact that whoever you do your night action on will be infected with Murrayitis?
Anything else you're hiding, mr Sticky? In the words of Antoine Dodson "You are so dumb. You are really dumb. For real." kingjames and infinitestory are merely speculating on the fact that my poke could infect them. however in my talks with artanis it is pretty clear the point of my role is to a. confirm my role to others and to b. tell who does and doesn't have murrayitis i was never told that i infect people with murrayitis and my understanding is that my role is designed to fight its spread you like to paint me as a liar whenever you can based on posts you don't even have the reading comprehension to understand obviously mafia would be shitting their pants at the idea of electing me. it's suspicious to say the least. Anyone who was even remotely invested in the Haunted Mafia game would be horrified at the prospect of letting you become the Mayor after the way you completely screwed up the game in the final days. Gj killing one of the last 3 mafia, letting the vamps just stroll to victory -_- I have no interest in allowing someone who screws up in that magnitude in a job as the town mayor. Besides, if truly that's all you can do, I can hardly think the ability to check ONE player a day for a disease which doesn't even kill unless it's extensively spread to be the "SUPER IMPORTANT" role that you claimed as your role. Further, there is no way we will be able to confirm that your stick doesn't infect people - As kingjames has mentioned, if your stick is "dirty," you can simply claim whoever you infected the first night to have "turned up as infected" in your "check". Then you can just let the other blues check on him, further confirming your "innoc
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Ok, the election seems to have gotten out of hand a lot. Right now I don't like ANY of the 3 leading candidates:
Fishball - I've said a few times I just don't trust the whole circle thing.
Dr. H - Just seems, I dunno, off somehow. The timing of when he started to run was weird. He has a huge bandwagon overnight as well. It reeks imo.
Pandain - I put my vote on him initially, because between him and fishball I'd much prefer him. I feel he's the least likely to be scum of all 3, but I don't think he'd be an amazing mayor. In previous games I've played with him he was a bit all over the place. However, given the choice between those 3 I would pick him as the 'safe' option.
So I'm going to change back to my original vote for now, bumatlarge. The fact that he has not been pushing so hard like the others reassures me as well.
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Just a general warning. Orgolove is not the only one making personal attacks, jcarlsoniv is another example.
Just don't swear or insult others. That's should keep you in the green
Thank you
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On October 30 2010 18:15 orgolove wrote:DoctorHelvetica's Candidacy: The RealityJust step back, and take a look. Forget all personal feelings, and just look at the facts. We are trying to vote for a mayor of the town. The chosen will: - Kill one person of his choice immediately at the end of the first day
- have increased voting power for each subsequent lynches
- near invincibility to night kills thanks to the presence of bodyguards
It is not a decision to be made lightly. If we select a mafia into the position, it would be a disaster of cosmic proportions. Conversely, if we select an important blue into the position, the town will be much closer to victory. DrH's candidacy hinges on two points. - His claim that his role is extremely important - so much so that his role deserves the extra protection afforded to the mayor.
- His claim that he is not a red, and that he will roleclaim without a shadow of doubt after the first day.
To support his first point, he revealed that his role is "Mr Sticky," a role that allows him to "poke" someone as his night action. If his claim is correct, he will then know if the target has Murrayitis. Show nested quote +On October 30 2010 13:43 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On October 30 2010 13:40 kingjames01 wrote:On October 30 2010 13:31 bumatlarge wrote:
I think it's safe to say you are claiming plague doctor, and the person you protect gets notified that you did this? That could be convenient. I do find it possible that mafia could have there own plague doctor, but Im not here to speculate that. If you use your power on me, and I can add you, we can start a circle. To verify it, you would give me one bodyguard who I would relay all of the information I learn. A medic can protect me if they wish, without fearing M-rus. If there is another plague doctor besides Dr.H (if that is what you are) Id suggst picking fishball, who has stated he has means to a circle and a role. That way another medic can choose between myself and fishball to protect. Whats really important is that the medics are safe in this from the M-rus, and if fishball or I die from a lucky shot by mafia, then oh well, fishball or myself die.
Is this plausible Dr. H? If so, then you have my vote. DrH is NOT claiming Plague Doctor. He says that he can tell if someone has the plague but he cannot confer immunity. His other apparent ability is to have Artanis PM a player with confirmation that DrH is who he says he is. I'm still not sure why that would be related to Sticky. sticky is a stick I poke people with a stick and they are told if I poked them or not. If the poke is unsuccessful than I know that person has m-rus or that I was roleblocked if there is a roleblocker. Remember the mechanic of Murrayitis: Show nested quote +On October 29 2010 07:44 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Murrayitis Mechanics. The amount of people infected with Murrayitis is posted at the start of the day. Murrayitis is transferred if a carrier is visited, or visits someone during the night. Doctors can cure someone from Murrayitis. While Plague Doctors can cure and transfer immunity to someone with Murrayitis. If over half of the Game has Murrayitis, every carrier of Murrayitis dies. So let me reiterate. According to his own descriptions, DrH can check ONE person a night to see if he has Murrayitis. Murrayitis isn't a disease that kills immediately. Rather than acting on a timer, it requires the mafia to go through and infect more than half the town. If the mafia managed to infect over 20 townies, then the game's probably already over. You decide - is the ability to check what is essentially second priority on ONE person ONE night, in a 40 person game, so important that it requires the protection afforded to a mayor?
Next, to support his second point, he continued from his roleclaim and declared that by "poking" someone the first night and having the target confirm the event, he will definitely be shown as a blue. Considering the number of unknowns in this game, there are so many potential traps in here that we can't possibly trust this. And apparently I'm not the only one to pick up on it. Just to name a few: Show nested quote +On October 30 2010 13:12 kingjames01 wrote:
Everyone, consider this scenario. The mafia share the names and abilities of their individual roles with the group. DrH claims the name and abilities of one of his mafia teammates, ie. "Sticky". He gets elected mayor during the day and then at night, he gets elected Godfather. As Godfather, he chooses to appear as "Sticky" to any detective checks. At night, the real "Sticky" does whatever "Stickies" are supposed to do. When day breaks, DrH claims responsibility so we start to believe him more. We go along with his scheming and then we lose.
Show nested quote +On October 30 2010 13:51 infinitestory wrote:Just thought of another way DrH might fake the role: Suppose his claim about the poking is correct, including that the poked knows DrH did the poking. But say DrH were a mafia and the 1 person infected with Murrayitis. This "poke" could be the method by which he transfers Murrayitis... and the person poked would still confirm that DrH poked him, thus establishing credibility. The plague doctors would immunize the people DrH tells them to, possibly including any reds that end up infected. This possibility has me extremely paranoid if only because it gives the reds such a gigantic advantage. The only ways I can think of to beat this scenario are very WIFOM. Show nested quote +On October 30 2010 13:31 kingjames01 wrote:I just want to point out that Sticky is the name of the stick that Bill Murray used to defend himself when the mafia took him out in Mafia XXXI. I don't think that is a coincidence since a major theme of this game is Bill Murray. On October 13 2010 13:02 BrownBear wrote:Night 3 It was a dark and stormy night. The survivors huddled in the ruins of their houses, shivering, makeshift weapons pointed at the doors. Bill Murray had found a pointy stick. It was his favorite pointy stick. He had named it Sticky. Thunder crashed in the distance as he shivered in his bed, Sticky pointed directly at the door, pointy end first.
The door creaked open. Bill Murray leaped up and screamed "PROTECT ME, STICKY!!!", then charged at the door, Sticky first.Bill Murray the Miller is now dead. Anybody have any ideas how this is related to DrH's role? Maybe if we can figure that out we can confirm/deny DrH's claims. Show nested quote +On October 30 2010 13:55 kingjames01 wrote:On October 30 2010 13:51 infinitestory wrote:Just thought of another way DrH might fake the role: Suppose his claim about the poking is correct, including that the poked knows DrH did the poking. But say DrH were a mafia and the 1 person infected with Murrayitis. This "poke" could be the method by which he transfers Murrayitis... and the person poked would still confirm that DrH poked him, thus establishing credibility. The plague doctors would immunize the people DrH tells them to, possibly including any reds that end up infected. This possibility has me extremely paranoid if only because it gives the reds such a gigantic advantage. The only ways I can think of to beat this scenario are very WIFOM. DAMN. That's so true. I was so excited to figure out the connection that I forgot to stay suspicious. IF Bill Murry died while using Sticky, then it's VERY LIKELY that Sticky is infected with Murrayitis. If Sticky pokes someone that would pass it on... Then DrH pretends to be notified. Show nested quote +On October 30 2010 14:05 kingjames01 wrote:On October 30 2010 13:56 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On October 30 2010 13:55 kingjames01 wrote:On October 30 2010 13:51 infinitestory wrote:Just thought of another way DrH might fake the role: Suppose his claim about the poking is correct, including that the poked knows DrH did the poking. But say DrH were a mafia and the 1 person infected with Murrayitis. This "poke" could be the method by which he transfers Murrayitis... and the person poked would still confirm that DrH poked him, thus establishing credibility. The plague doctors would immunize the people DrH tells them to, possibly including any reds that end up infected. This possibility has me extremely paranoid if only because it gives the reds such a gigantic advantage. The only ways I can think of to beat this scenario are very WIFOM. DAMN. That's so true. I was so excited to figure out the connection that I forgot to stay suspicious. IF Bill Murry died while using Sticky, then it's VERY LIKELY that Sticky is infected with Murrayitis. If Sticky pokes someone that would pass it on... Then DrH pretends to be notified. You're speculating on mod logic based on the storyline of a past game pretty far out there if you ask me. this is getting way too meta. I disagree. Your role is "Sticky". You admitted that yourself. It cannot be denied that the theme of the game revolves around Bill Murray. My logic isn't based on the storyline of a past game. It's based on finding connections around the theme: - Bill Murray died in Haunted Mafia giving rise to Murrayitis - Bill Murray died in Mafia XXXI holding a sticky named Sticky - There is an actual role called "Sticky" - Sticky's ability involves poking people On October 29 2010 06:46 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Day 1
Rise and Shine! It is now Day 1! And no one is infected by Murrayitis... Yet. If no one has Murrayitis yet, then no PERSON has Murrayitis yet. However, a Sticky might. That Sticky is you. Show nested quote +On October 30 2010 14:27 infinitestory wrote:On October 30 2010 14:21 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On October 30 2010 14:20 Coagulation wrote:On October 30 2010 14:05 kingjames01 wrote:On October 30 2010 13:56 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On October 30 2010 13:55 kingjames01 wrote:On October 30 2010 13:51 infinitestory wrote:Just thought of another way DrH might fake the role: Suppose his claim about the poking is correct, including that the poked knows DrH did the poking. But say DrH were a mafia and the 1 person infected with Murrayitis. This "poke" could be the method by which he transfers Murrayitis... and the person poked would still confirm that DrH poked him, thus establishing credibility. The plague doctors would immunize the people DrH tells them to, possibly including any reds that end up infected. This possibility has me extremely paranoid if only because it gives the reds such a gigantic advantage. The only ways I can think of to beat this scenario are very WIFOM. DAMN. That's so true. I was so excited to figure out the connection that I forgot to stay suspicious. IF Bill Murry died while using Sticky, then it's VERY LIKELY that Sticky is infected with Murrayitis. If Sticky pokes someone that would pass it on... Then DrH pretends to be notified. You're speculating on mod logic based on the storyline of a past game pretty far out there if you ask me. this is getting way too meta. I disagree. Your role is "Sticky". You admitted that yourself. It cannot be denied that the theme of the game revolves around Bill Murray. My logic isn't based on the storyline of a past game. It's based on finding connections around the theme: - Bill Murray died in Haunted Mafia giving rise to Murrayitis - Bill Murray died in Mafia XXXI holding a sticky named Sticky - There is an actual role called "Sticky" - Sticky's ability involves poking people On October 29 2010 06:46 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Day 1
Rise and Shine! It is now Day 1! And no one is infected by Murrayitis... Yet. If no one has Murrayitis yet, then no PERSON has Murrayitis yet. However, a Sticky might. That Sticky is you. the plot thickens. however i cant help but notice that he revealed his role honestly ( as far as we know it was pretty much confirmed by the fact that we found a logical link to it in another game that fits perfectly?) then there is still the chance hes mafia sticky. but I cant see a scum willingly giving up this kind of info like that. I hate the way drH plays but his story is starting to come together. i still worry that he is too fucking good at this game to chance him possibly gaining such an advantage as a red. again why would mafia have a sticky, a role clearly designed to stop the spread of m-rus, a disease that benefits mafia Even assuming what you've told us is the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth, there's an advantage in rallying the plague doctors to cure infected reds. I want to see something more well thought out, please~ @Meapak_Ziphh: I'm not considering whether "sticky" represents a m-itis infector or a m-itis stopper. I'm just presenting a possible scenario which, if nobody finds a way around it, compromises DrH's claim of 100% guaranteed proof of townieness. It doesn't bank on meta at all. Show nested quote +On October 30 2010 14:44 Ace wrote:That doesn't confirm your alignment though Show nested quote +On October 30 2010 14:59 orgolove wrote:-_- On October 30 2010 14:53 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On October 30 2010 13:51 infinitestory wrote:Just thought of another way DrH might fake the role: Suppose his claim about the poking is correct, including that the poked knows DrH did the poking. But say DrH were a mafia and the 1 person infected with Murrayitis. This "poke" could be the method by which he transfers Murrayitis... and the person poked would still confirm that DrH poked him, thus establishing credibility. The plague doctors would immunize the people DrH tells them to, possibly including any reds that end up infected. This possibility has me extremely paranoid if only because it gives the reds such a gigantic advantage. The only ways I can think of to beat this scenario are very WIFOM. here is my solution: if plague doctors visit the people I poke, then the numbers of murrayitis won't rise assuming that I am the one transferring murrayitis (a scenario which i would call extremely unlikely) I can prove I'm townie because mafia don't know who I will confirm to. They thus can't infect that person reliably and it will become evident very soon that the people I'm poking do not have murrayitis. If they infect that person that night they would do so to trick plague doctors. If we discover this is their pattern of infection then there will never be a spread of infections because plague doctors just visit the people I poke. this forces mafia to infect other people, which means I'll be confirmed. it is a bigger loss to them to infect nobody than it is to let me get off confirmed as town so I think it'll work out. does that make sense? And no, that won't work. In a game where we don't know how many plaguebearers there are, if the mafia ever has their own plague doctors, then the numbers can remain the same while the mafia "heals" one of their previous disease hits.
Thus, not only is his ability, if true, unworthy of mayoral protection, we won't even be sure that he can reveal himself as a townie beyond doubt.I close this with one last thing I place under your consideration. The Town Mayor is a position of leadership. Both with his ability to immediately lynch 1 player, as well as his increased number of votes in the daily lynches, the mayor has a responsibility to take charge of the town and be a levelheaded leader who will not be guided by emotion. If we do get an experienced, well-intentioned and collected leader However, DoctorHelvetica has been increasingly emotional and defensive as questions against his alignment mounted. Show nested quote +On October 30 2010 14:19 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
you like to paint me as a liar whenever you can based on posts you don't even have the reading comprehension to understand
Show nested quote +On October 30 2010 15:12 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
fair enough. I'm not the one starting the WIFOM bullshit. Show nested quote +On October 30 2010 14:33 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
watch the mafia keep grasping at straws to try to make me look bad and red when I've done more to show i'm town than anyone in this game
and then they want to vote for pandain lololol DrH could not keep his cool when people merely questioned him during his candidacy. Can we truly trust him to lead the town as a mayor, unaffected by his personal bias?
you couldn't keep your cool to refrain from insulting the shit out of me whenever you could
can we truly trust anything you say since your inention was clearly to make me angry and upset
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