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L
Canada4732 Posts
On November 12 2010 12:14 Coagulation wrote: Alot of it was people arguing about the same thing for 50+ pages over and over and over again. And that was precisely the objective in most instances. | ||
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DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
On November 12 2010 11:49 Ace wrote: Yea I felt bad for Dr.H. While he wasn't always on the right track the Town was so bad he never had a chance to cut through all the bullshit. By the time Infinitestory came around it was too late. I guess now Dr.H knows how it feels to appear so pro-town and have to deal with bad townies and Scum undermining you and how hard it is to find the difference. Do you think I did alright for my first time as town? Please stroke my broken ego  | ||
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LSB
United States5171 Posts
On November 12 2010 12:26 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Do you think I did alright for my first time as town? Please stroke my broken ego Yes you did! But you didn't catch the obvious flaws such as. L returning (must be recruited by Ace). Ace surviving more than one night. jk But hey, you did keep the mayor position in town hands, that's always good | ||
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
On November 12 2010 12:26 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Do you think I did alright for my first time as town? Please stroke my broken ego You did above average for a first time town. Kept your cool, kept trying to steer town in the right direction and most importantly kept the flow of information perfect. Keeping the town on a need to know basis is important because as you saw the last 2 days - too much information can lead to the town making some really weird decisions. Better yet you had some good explanations for why some of us could have been Mafia but with little help early on and some key players dying you got screwed. I'm pretty sure if Fishball lived or bumatlarge got to live longer you would have had a better shot. Overall you weren't a great scumhunter which is understandable but you were an above average leader. I think if you figured out Youngminii was 100% pro-town earlier in the game, with Infinitestory coming around things would have been much harder for us as we can't take out 3 obvious pro-town players so easily. | ||
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Amber[LighT]
United States5078 Posts
I couldn't believe how spot on I was with my zombie hit though. I was pretty worried that I was going to hit a blue and get shamed forever from mafia games. Sry RoL you're just to fun to pick on, and it came down to you, Ace, or L.  So what happened with this PM circle? Did it just die after FB died? Also people who jumped on bandwagon lynches to take out the detectives should do another read through the game and see why it was not a good idea. This was a constant issue the entire game | ||
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DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
I started feeling unsure about Pandain later. The funny thing is if I stuck with my original intentions and feelings I would have lynched Divinek on the first day and pushed for you and Pandain to be lynched on the second day. The worst mistake I feel I made was over posting. I'm used to spamming a bit as mafia and only later did I realize I shouldn't respond to everything people post. Secondly I wasn't confident and I played a little bit too reactionary. | ||
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Fishball
Canada4788 Posts
On November 12 2010 12:45 Amber[LighT] wrote: It was frustrating to watch Ace/L/Pandain post because deep down I thought they were all shady, and I bought the bullshit and for 2-3 vote cycles Pandain avoided lynches. He was never confirmed and people kept asking for Pandain to post, and no one ever followed up. It was like Pandain got greased up for this game and slid through everyone's minds. I couldn't believe how spot on I was with my zombie hit though. I was pretty worried that I was going to hit a blue and get shamed forever from mafia games. Sry RoL you're just to fun to pick on, and it came down to you, Ace, or L. So what happened with this PM circle? Did it just die after FB died? Also people who jumped on bandwagon lynches to take out the detectives should do another read through the game and see why it was not a good idea. This was a constant issue the entire game Like I said, half the circle was fucking inactive from the very beginning. 2 of them got mod killed right off the bat and Orgolove also got mod killed later. The members were me, Orgolove, KtheZ, QuickStriker, Misder and ShmotZ. If I hadn't die, and Misder didnt't get himself modkilled as well on the same friggin day, I'm quite set. Misder was one of the earliest members to role claim to me, and he was going to be my personal medic. | ||
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youngminii
Australia7514 Posts
I feel as if the only good thing I achieved in this game was stopping the Pandain v DrH spamfest. I think I need to up my scumhunting. I had suspicions on Pandain, Nemesis, RoL, L, infinitestory and kitaman throughout the game. If I had pushed for the right lynches I think I may have served a bit of a better purpose. If fishball didn't get modkilled the game could have been a bit different, oh well that kinda sucks. Can someone enlighten me on what I should have done and what I shouldn't have done? | ||
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Coagulation
United States9633 Posts
On November 12 2010 12:56 youngminii wrote: I have a question: why was I not targeted at night? I thought I was going to die straight away after my escaping the lynch on the first day. Was I just not seen as a threat to the mafia? I feel as if the only good thing I achieved in this game was stopping the Pandain v DrH spamfest. I think I need to up my scumhunting. I had suspicions on Pandain, Nemesis, RoL, L, infinitestory and kitaman throughout the game. If I had pushed for the right lynches I think I may have served a bit of a better purpose. If fishball didn't get modkilled the game could have been a bit different, oh well that kinda sucks. Can someone enlighten me on what I should have done and what I shouldn't have done? you didnt get targeted early on because 90% of town thought you as a possible red. why kill someone who is suspected. you basically drew allot of attention for us to hide behind. | ||
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
I think the major thing you could have done is just get Dr.H and IS to be like yo, let's all just focus on ONE guy - Pandain. Then watch how everything shakes out after. No idea if that would got me lynched because I was pushing for Pandain to die hard Day 3. | ||
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Fishball
Canada4788 Posts
On November 12 2010 12:47 DoctorHelvetica wrote: I was honestly just really scared to go after you. Your name has a lot of clout and with no one to really back me up I felt too nervous to go with my gut which from day 2 told me you were scum. I started feeling unsure about Pandain later. The funny thing is if I stuck with my original intentions and feelings I would have lynched Divinek on the first day and pushed for you and Pandain to be lynched on the second day. The worst mistake I feel I made was over posting. I'm used to spamming a bit as mafia and only later did I realize I shouldn't respond to everything people post. Secondly I wasn't confident and I played a little bit too reactionary. My rule of thumb: kill the players, not the roles. Wait, that's more of a Mafia guideline. When you've observed enough, you'll know what certain players are capable of (in a more refined way). You can definitely tell if something doesn't add up, and I can say you're definitely capable of reading this. | ||
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youngminii
Australia7514 Posts
I probably would've, but then that stupid rolecheck came back and messed with us. Should've seen through it, there is no reason why Pandain would have lived through those nights if he really was what he claimed he was. | ||
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LSB
United States5171 Posts
On November 12 2010 12:56 youngminii wrote: I have a question: why was I not targeted at night? I thought I was going to die straight away after my escaping the lynch on the first day. Was I just not seen as a threat to the mafia? I feel as if the only good thing I achieved in this game was stopping the Pandain v DrH spamfest. I think I need to up my scumhunting. I had suspicions on Pandain, Nemesis, RoL, L, infinitestory and kitaman throughout the game. If I had pushed for the right lynches I think I may have served a bit of a better purpose. If fishball didn't get modkilled the game could have been a bit different, oh well that kinda sucks. Can someone enlighten me on what I should have done and what I shouldn't have done? First you had a great defense "LSB isn't that dumb to give an unlynchable role to the mafia." So you don't have to worry about defending yourself. What you need to work on, (and everyone else), is how to lynch someone. You're going to have to persuade the town. Scumhunting and lynching people are both extremally important. First make a big analytical "YOU ARE MAFIA" post http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=147690¤tpage=15#293p The town needs a nice big, "Here's where we get down to business" post. Something for apathetic townies to read and be persuaded by Although I wasn't the only one (there was a general town sentiment). What matters is to keep on pushing the lynch, balls to the walls. Me and Pandain fought afterwards. I focused on making myself looking good and Pandain scummy. I think it worked. TL DR: If your going to push a sole lynch, make the first post epic. And then go balls to the walls defending it. Also knowing how to debate (pathos, ethos and logos) is pretty important | ||
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youngminii
Australia7514 Posts
I dunno, it was hard to try when I had exams and he had over 700 posts by day 3 or something stupid like that. I did say THAT in itself was a reason Pandain was scum, and we all divided the 700 posts to analyse them, but I didn't press on with it and he slipped away once again. Damn you Pandain, this won't ever happen again <.< | ||
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
On November 12 2010 13:03 youngminii wrote: Damn. I probably would've, but then that stupid rolecheck came back and messed with us. Should've seen through it, there is no reason why Pandain would have lived through those nights if he really was what he claimed he was. Yea. There was a conversation in IRC where I said like, I don't know 15 things as to why Pandain should be dead now. I was like "Pandain if I was town I really would be pushing hard for your lynch." The big kicker that the Town really, really, really forgot that should have gotten Pandain lynched: Dr.H said he could confirm his role. Pandain then claims he can too. Pandain doesn't get elected Mayor and then DAYS later when pressured Pandain finally role claims. He never offered up any free information for a guy who promised to scumhunt. I said something earlier about scum always making promises to do something and then never do it because the town doesn't hold them accountable. Lol perfect example right there. To make it even worse and more ironic, Dr.H couldn't confirm himself so Pandain screams YOU MUST BE SCUM! while also being unable to confirm his role. Good thing lots of townies drowned out any attempt of you guys trying to figure out the bullshit. | ||
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Fishball
Canada4788 Posts
On Day 2, I noticed among all the mod kills, only Masq was replaced. Here is the summary of mod kills in this game: Night 1 - Two mod kills (There is one replacement but it was not a mod kill) Day 2 - One mod kill and replacement Night 2 - Three mod kills Day 3 - One mod kill A total of seven mod kills this game, where two of them were Mafia, but only one mod kill was replaced by another player, L. I was going to bring this up with town after Day 2's lynch was over, but unfortunately I was dead. Keep in mind at this point of the game, there were only three mod kills when I first noticed this irregular pattern, so after Night 2 and three more mod kills, someone should notice this right? No. I PM'd Ace after I died, and said I would have immediately hit this player if I were a vigilante or the sort. Ace said L was a replacement he found for Masq. We all know the hosts are playing strictly by their rules this game. Not much leniency was given. But why would a single player being mod killed would be replaced, while the 6 others were not? It's pretty obvious that someone else knows the "very existence" of this player; In this case, the Mafia/3rd Party. PS. Though not mod killed, RoL who replaced Lol1221 was also Mafia. Go figure. | ||
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LSB
United States5171 Posts
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deconduo
Ireland4122 Posts
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Fishball
Canada4788 Posts
6 Apples and 1 Orange. What stands out? Plus you guys saying that you have to replace a fellow Mafia member, further supports the logic that "someone else" is involved and is in the same group of the player being mod killed. | ||
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kingjames01
Canada1603 Posts
There were SO many mistakes made by the town. Unfortunately I was killed the first night... (WHAT THE HELL WAS UP WITH THAT???) It was obvious that Pandain's bid to become mayor was mafia-concocted. Two other players supported him with very shoddy reasoning. That should have been enough to kill 3 mafia. Another thing that really made my blood boil was the stupidity over the existence of the Godfather and whether or not Pandain could have been him. Godfather can choose to appear as WHATEVER he wants. The perfect role is to pretend that you know when someone is Red or Blue since you know that already. It is IDIOTIC to start with the assumption that there is no Godfather. Also, in order to win the game as town, you have to think like mafia. If some mafia is going to get lynched, the perfect plan is to bus a teammate, ESPECIALLY, if that means the Godfather is safe. I watched the entire game and I was not overly impressed with ANYONE's play. After the game, everyone is patting each other's backs and saying, "yeah, that was great how you pulled that off! You're a great player" or "that was some great analysis. You really got that right." NO! EVERYONE ELSE FUCKED UP. I'm so mad. =( | ||
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