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On October 13 2010 07:17 NB wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2010 07:08 CubEdIn wrote:On October 13 2010 07:02 NB wrote:On October 13 2010 06:53 CubEdIn wrote:
Ok, one final post to strengthen my position, since we're rapidly approaching end of day one and it seems that it's either Masq or Veldril:
1. Don't you find it weird that people who have been quiet, yet voted, are stacking up on Veldril?
2. If you're sure about Veldril, then keep your vote, but please think about what I said for 5 minutes. What happens if the kill (be it Vel or Masq) is NOT Mafia or Vampire. What would that tell us about the other?
Obviously, if we kill either, and they ARE in fact M/V, then the other will die as well. Easy PZ. But think of the alternatives, what if they're not?
If we kill Veldril, and he's not M/V, then we know NOTHING about masq (because of lack of posts). If we kill Masq, we still have Veldril's behaviour to judge him on. Have you thought that if we lynching Veld today and he turns out to be a green, Masq has more chance to be a M/V? Even though he does not post much, the possibility that Masq is framing Veld is not 0. It happens at the moment when he agree with Veld's protection post.... What does this means? this means that if 1 of them die by lynching, there is a pretty high chance the other will die by KP of M/V no matter what is the result of lynching. And if he(the one who is not being lynched on day1) survived through night1... The only conclusion i could give you is that our ghost is protecting a red... Those above are my "prediction"... Dont listen to it if you think i have gone crazy with my HW T_T Yes, I thought about that, but it's a bit of a long shot. I don't think you'll convince many people to vote for Masq on day 2 if Veldril is green. Especially if he's Count/GF and he fakes his role for detective, he might live for the rest of the game. Instead, given Veldril's posts, he would still be suspected even if Masq turns out to be green. More so than vice-versa. My 2 cents. lolol detective count LOLOL... if the detective check the count and see a detective, he should know who is who right? xD i believe both count and gf should be bomber, no one dare to kill him late game  ...
No, you misunderstood.
I meant, if Masq is voted Count/GF AND fakes his role in case they're being investigated by detective (and of course fake a blue role).
I don't think you can be count/gf AND detective.
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I feel ba for those that didn't get access. They have a lot of catch up to do.
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On October 13 2010 07:20 CubEdIn wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2010 07:17 NB wrote:On October 13 2010 07:08 CubEdIn wrote:On October 13 2010 07:02 NB wrote:On October 13 2010 06:53 CubEdIn wrote:
Ok, one final post to strengthen my position, since we're rapidly approaching end of day one and it seems that it's either Masq or Veldril:
1. Don't you find it weird that people who have been quiet, yet voted, are stacking up on Veldril?
2. If you're sure about Veldril, then keep your vote, but please think about what I said for 5 minutes. What happens if the kill (be it Vel or Masq) is NOT Mafia or Vampire. What would that tell us about the other?
Obviously, if we kill either, and they ARE in fact M/V, then the other will die as well. Easy PZ. But think of the alternatives, what if they're not?
If we kill Veldril, and he's not M/V, then we know NOTHING about masq (because of lack of posts). If we kill Masq, we still have Veldril's behaviour to judge him on. Have you thought that if we lynching Veld today and he turns out to be a green, Masq has more chance to be a M/V? Even though he does not post much, the possibility that Masq is framing Veld is not 0. It happens at the moment when he agree with Veld's protection post.... What does this means? this means that if 1 of them die by lynching, there is a pretty high chance the other will die by KP of M/V no matter what is the result of lynching. And if he(the one who is not being lynched on day1) survived through night1... The only conclusion i could give you is that our ghost is protecting a red... Those above are my "prediction"... Dont listen to it if you think i have gone crazy with my HW T_T Yes, I thought about that, but it's a bit of a long shot. I don't think you'll convince many people to vote for Masq on day 2 if Veldril is green. Especially if he's Count/GF and he fakes his role for detective, he might live for the rest of the game. Instead, given Veldril's posts, he would still be suspected even if Masq turns out to be green. More so than vice-versa. My 2 cents. lolol detective count LOLOL... if the detective check the count and see a detective, he should know who is who right? xD i believe both count and gf should be bomber, no one dare to kill him late game ... No, you misunderstood. I meant, if Masq is voted Count/GF AND fakes his role in case they're being investigated by detective (and of course fake a blue role). I don't think you can be count/gf AND detective.
i dont think NB realizes that there could be multiple detectives.
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On October 13 2010 07:24 seRapH wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2010 07:20 CubEdIn wrote:On October 13 2010 07:17 NB wrote:On October 13 2010 07:08 CubEdIn wrote:On October 13 2010 07:02 NB wrote:On October 13 2010 06:53 CubEdIn wrote:
Ok, one final post to strengthen my position, since we're rapidly approaching end of day one and it seems that it's either Masq or Veldril:
1. Don't you find it weird that people who have been quiet, yet voted, are stacking up on Veldril?
2. If you're sure about Veldril, then keep your vote, but please think about what I said for 5 minutes. What happens if the kill (be it Vel or Masq) is NOT Mafia or Vampire. What would that tell us about the other?
Obviously, if we kill either, and they ARE in fact M/V, then the other will die as well. Easy PZ. But think of the alternatives, what if they're not?
If we kill Veldril, and he's not M/V, then we know NOTHING about masq (because of lack of posts). If we kill Masq, we still have Veldril's behaviour to judge him on. Have you thought that if we lynching Veld today and he turns out to be a green, Masq has more chance to be a M/V? Even though he does not post much, the possibility that Masq is framing Veld is not 0. It happens at the moment when he agree with Veld's protection post.... What does this means? this means that if 1 of them die by lynching, there is a pretty high chance the other will die by KP of M/V no matter what is the result of lynching. And if he(the one who is not being lynched on day1) survived through night1... The only conclusion i could give you is that our ghost is protecting a red... Those above are my "prediction"... Dont listen to it if you think i have gone crazy with my HW T_T Yes, I thought about that, but it's a bit of a long shot. I don't think you'll convince many people to vote for Masq on day 2 if Veldril is green. Especially if he's Count/GF and he fakes his role for detective, he might live for the rest of the game. Instead, given Veldril's posts, he would still be suspected even if Masq turns out to be green. More so than vice-versa. My 2 cents. lolol detective count LOLOL... if the detective check the count and see a detective, he should know who is who right? xD i believe both count and gf should be bomber, no one dare to kill him late game ... No, you misunderstood. I meant, if Masq is voted Count/GF AND fakes his role in case they're being investigated by detective (and of course fake a blue role). I don't think you can be count/gf AND detective. i dont think NB realizes that there could be multiple detectives.
WHAT???? mod confirm please.... how many people we have for each role...???? ><
If we have more than 1, we clearly should make some sort of "detective communication" method xD
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On October 13 2010 07:24 seRapH wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2010 07:20 CubEdIn wrote:On October 13 2010 07:17 NB wrote:On October 13 2010 07:08 CubEdIn wrote:On October 13 2010 07:02 NB wrote:On October 13 2010 06:53 CubEdIn wrote:
Ok, one final post to strengthen my position, since we're rapidly approaching end of day one and it seems that it's either Masq or Veldril:
1. Don't you find it weird that people who have been quiet, yet voted, are stacking up on Veldril?
2. If you're sure about Veldril, then keep your vote, but please think about what I said for 5 minutes. What happens if the kill (be it Vel or Masq) is NOT Mafia or Vampire. What would that tell us about the other?
Obviously, if we kill either, and they ARE in fact M/V, then the other will die as well. Easy PZ. But think of the alternatives, what if they're not?
If we kill Veldril, and he's not M/V, then we know NOTHING about masq (because of lack of posts). If we kill Masq, we still have Veldril's behaviour to judge him on. Have you thought that if we lynching Veld today and he turns out to be a green, Masq has more chance to be a M/V? Even though he does not post much, the possibility that Masq is framing Veld is not 0. It happens at the moment when he agree with Veld's protection post.... What does this means? this means that if 1 of them die by lynching, there is a pretty high chance the other will die by KP of M/V no matter what is the result of lynching. And if he(the one who is not being lynched on day1) survived through night1... The only conclusion i could give you is that our ghost is protecting a red... Those above are my "prediction"... Dont listen to it if you think i have gone crazy with my HW T_T Yes, I thought about that, but it's a bit of a long shot. I don't think you'll convince many people to vote for Masq on day 2 if Veldril is green. Especially if he's Count/GF and he fakes his role for detective, he might live for the rest of the game. Instead, given Veldril's posts, he would still be suspected even if Masq turns out to be green. More so than vice-versa. My 2 cents. lolol detective count LOLOL... if the detective check the count and see a detective, he should know who is who right? xD i believe both count and gf should be bomber, no one dare to kill him late game ... No, you misunderstood. I meant, if Masq is voted Count/GF AND fakes his role in case they're being investigated by detective (and of course fake a blue role). I don't think you can be count/gf AND detective. i dont think NB realizes that there could be multiple detectives.
Are you sure man? I thought there was only one of each. Need mod to confirm. Doesnt mod tell us how many of each there are?
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On October 13 2010 07:30 NB wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2010 07:24 seRapH wrote:On October 13 2010 07:20 CubEdIn wrote:On October 13 2010 07:17 NB wrote:On October 13 2010 07:08 CubEdIn wrote:On October 13 2010 07:02 NB wrote:On October 13 2010 06:53 CubEdIn wrote:
Ok, one final post to strengthen my position, since we're rapidly approaching end of day one and it seems that it's either Masq or Veldril:
1. Don't you find it weird that people who have been quiet, yet voted, are stacking up on Veldril?
2. If you're sure about Veldril, then keep your vote, but please think about what I said for 5 minutes. What happens if the kill (be it Vel or Masq) is NOT Mafia or Vampire. What would that tell us about the other?
Obviously, if we kill either, and they ARE in fact M/V, then the other will die as well. Easy PZ. But think of the alternatives, what if they're not?
If we kill Veldril, and he's not M/V, then we know NOTHING about masq (because of lack of posts). If we kill Masq, we still have Veldril's behaviour to judge him on. Have you thought that if we lynching Veld today and he turns out to be a green, Masq has more chance to be a M/V? Even though he does not post much, the possibility that Masq is framing Veld is not 0. It happens at the moment when he agree with Veld's protection post.... What does this means? this means that if 1 of them die by lynching, there is a pretty high chance the other will die by KP of M/V no matter what is the result of lynching. And if he(the one who is not being lynched on day1) survived through night1... The only conclusion i could give you is that our ghost is protecting a red... Those above are my "prediction"... Dont listen to it if you think i have gone crazy with my HW T_T Yes, I thought about that, but it's a bit of a long shot. I don't think you'll convince many people to vote for Masq on day 2 if Veldril is green. Especially if he's Count/GF and he fakes his role for detective, he might live for the rest of the game. Instead, given Veldril's posts, he would still be suspected even if Masq turns out to be green. More so than vice-versa. My 2 cents. lolol detective count LOLOL... if the detective check the count and see a detective, he should know who is who right? xD i believe both count and gf should be bomber, no one dare to kill him late game ... No, you misunderstood. I meant, if Masq is voted Count/GF AND fakes his role in case they're being investigated by detective (and of course fake a blue role). I don't think you can be count/gf AND detective. i dont think NB realizes that there could be multiple detectives. WHAT???? mod confirm please.... how many people we have for each role...???? >< If we have more than 1, we clearly should make some sort of "detective communication" method xD
The count of each role is a secret. It's safe to assume there are multiple players that have a given role.
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DUDE! Im assuming that we have 30 grim reapers and 1 ghost.... LOLOLOL
some people have pm-ed me and ask if this is a role-claiming post: NO!
I did put thought on it before i post so dont worry  Treat it as a joke only! Thing about how fun+hillarious+broken it is if we have 36 kills in the first night =)) (assuming notthing is overlapping xD)
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On October 13 2010 06:59 zerroth wrote:
These clues of the murder and his profile picture are a bit meh. I do have to agree that some stuff sounds reasonable but compared to some other people's connection of a murder to their profile page (most notably masq) it doesnt really compare up.
In my view, Bill is like some drunkard whose trying to spice up the game. He doesnt have any direct clue and profile page connection yet though. I don't really think much of Bill because he is so wishy washy. one moment he defends himself, the other he accuses and votes on some random reason.
pffffft there can be red herrings. I know I've red some games where hosts put in some obvious red herrings. In my view we should just have the mad scientist check whether that actually IS a clue, because if it is, we got an almost certain lynch. Because right now it just seems too obvious, and we can always lynch him later.
@host: If, supposedly, there is a red herring, would it show up as a clue anyway?
Everyone vote heaven on earth. I think he's really the only good "lynch" today. Either that or Masq, because from there we find out alot on Veldril anyway. But I would prefer Heaven on Earth over masq because we can find out whether the jack o lantern i sactually a clue or not.
also what im being accused? of what?
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Looks like most people are still leaning towards Masq/Veldril, I'm not convinced that it's really that important which one gets lynched tonight. I think either one has enough cause to be a reasonable guess, and guessing's pretty much all we have at this point. Pandain did bring up some interesting points about Heaven on Earth, though. Something to keep in mind.
Seems to me like Bill Murray is being super-aggressive and just lashing out at whoever seems like an easy target. He is apparently a veteran Mafia player, so maybe another vet could comment on whether that's typical for him? I'm perfectly willing to buy that it's just his style of posting, but it's definitely the most striking thing I've noticed from him. His change in position on Veldril seems especially weird, basically going from 'lynch the fucker' to 'maybe he's not so bad after all' in very little time. Perhaps trying to force himself into a position of leadership simply by speaking forcefully? I'm not sure.
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shouldnt we get rid of the more obvious guys first. Masq fits really well with the clues and he hasnt done a great job denying it. We want to get rid of reds to lower their KP so that less of us can die. As the game progresses, more clues will come up to accuse more obvious players. Right now, it seems a waste of lynch to attack someone who doesnt seem to be that great of a threat. the obvious ones first should be dealt with. More clues will come to support or deny their possibilities as a red.
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On October 13 2010 07:43 Pandain wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2010 06:59 zerroth wrote:
These clues of the murder and his profile picture are a bit meh. I do have to agree that some stuff sounds reasonable but compared to some other people's connection of a murder to their profile page (most notably masq) it doesnt really compare up.
In my view, Bill is like some drunkard whose trying to spice up the game. He doesnt have any direct clue and profile page connection yet though. I don't really think much of Bill because he is so wishy washy. one moment he defends himself, the other he accuses and votes on some random reason. pffffft there can be red herrings. I know I've red some games where hosts put in some obvious red herrings. In my view we should just have the mad scientist check whether that actually IS a clue, because if it is, we got an almost certain lynch. Because right now it just seems too obvious, and we can always lynch him later. @host: If, supposedly, there is a red herring, would it show up as a clue anyway? Everyone vote heaven on earth. I think he's really the only good "lynch" today. Either that or Masq, because from there we find out alot on Veldril anyway. But I would prefer Heaven on Earth over masq because we can find out whether the jack o lantern i sactually a clue or not. also what im being accused? of what?
People have a thing against endangered species!
But seriously, I agree that HoE is very suspicious as well, but think about it rationally: There are 5 hours left, you won't get the necessary number of votes, especially since it's past 12 am in Europe already. At most, you'll take votes away from Masq (or Veldril, but you also agreed that we'll have our shot at Veldril in the future anyway).
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On October 13 2010 06:53 CubEdIn wrote:
Ok, one final post to strengthen my position, since we're rapidly approaching end of day one and it seems that it's either Masq or Veldril:
1. Don't you find it weird that people who have been quiet, yet voted, are stacking up on Veldril?
2. If you're sure about Veldril, then keep your vote, but please think about what I said for 5 minutes. What happens if the kill (be it Vel or Masq) is NOT Mafia or Vampire. What would that tell us about the other?
About #1 i was actually looking into that and i did find it a bit peculiar.
And this might be a long shot, and probably nothing but did anybody see this?
+ Show Spoiler +[B]On October 12 2010 23:10 jodogohoo wrote:
also here is a an updated list and point in order from lowest to highest amount of posts
CKSide 0
Therick 0
TheMunkey 0
Kuja900 0
Lexpar 0
AirbladeOrange 0
kenpachi 0
kingjames01 0
Neos 0
goldfishs 0
Zeraghul 0
chesshaha 0
KhrisKruel 0
l0st_romantic 0
grandmoose 0
Iankill 0
Yogy 0
Node 0
mptj 0
grandmoose 1
HeavOnEarth 1
LastArgument 1
SiNiquity 1
Hyperbola 1
MetalFace 1
Hittegods 1
Kpyolysis32 1
Flicky 2
ShmotZ 2
bumatlarge 3
~OpZ~ 3
Lucktar 3
Masq 4
d3_crescentia 4
zerroth 4
kitaman27 5
Glasse 6
southrawrea 7
Aeres 7
KtheZ 7
oddo123 7
YummyBlaBla 9
Nemesis 9
deconduo 10
jaminz 11
quickstriker 14
Veldril 17
pandain 18
annul 18
LSB 19
thegilaboy 20
CubEdIn 22
seRaPh 27
NB 30
coagulation 38
jodogohoo 41
youngminii 40
jcarlsoniv 43
aztrorisk 51
Bill Murray 56
orgolove 68 ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Out of everybody on his list, his name was the only one out of order, and misplaced so that he wasnt in the top 5 of most votes. Also his posts are quite misleading and pointless, very easy to throw newcomers off *such as myself*
I'm sorry to say but Jodogohoo, im watching you from now on, your post quality makes me a little suspicious of you. At the beggining of the game, you were pointing fingers, and jumping your vote alot. Now all your posts are about nothing and random blurts of terrorism and LYNCH EVERYBODY. I know there jokes but, to me they seem a little bit like your trying to mislead and turn off the main subject.
Besides that im a little indecisive, im not sure who to vote for masq or Veldril. Masq at the beggining of the game had a big clue pointed at him. But now it seems like everybody is voting for Veldril because he defended Masq. Masq isnt really saying much, could he be trying to lay low since everybodys gunnin for veldril. If somebody could post a little clarification about why these 2 are our main targets it would be mostly appreciated, i feel like ive gone through this thread 10 times and still missing something.
I have to go now so ill end my post and continue posting when i get home so bye everybody!
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RE-READ THREAD: MASQ SHOULD BE LYNCHED
I must have misread somewhere on the veldril and masq debate, but going back, masq is the obvious lynch here.
1. He has clues pointing to him that seem a little obvious, but they are clear clues regarding something.
2. Veldril defended him, so we may have a lead if masq pops scum.
3. The vote lists will help us massively on fishing out opposing faction
The first two points have been discussed to death, so make your own observations there. I underestimated what Bill said regarding the sides. I failed to realize that the objective of either side is to kill the other team, regardless of towns numbers. It's almost as if town and mafia roles are reversed, since town just need to outnumber the remaining 8 scum. That means that either side cant win until much later if they lose one member... which is assumed they will if the other faction is smart.
If the two candidates for lynch (masq/veldril) contain at least one scum, we can be certain that right now on the lists contain a good number of scum from the opposite faction, depending on what they are. We just need mafia/vamps to kill each other decisively. If they don't they risk the other faction rising ahead. Therefore both teams need to rely on end game tactics.
Heh, it's almost as if we don't need to do anything if scum are good players. We just need to follow clues and go with the flow.
Masq is my vote, and if hes scum, then we can sift through the current list of masq people for his opposite faction.
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On October 13 2010 07:43 Pandain wrote:
@host: If, supposedly, there is a red herring, would it show up as a clue anyway?
As far as I know... there will be no deliberate red herrings... although people should keep in mind that the clues are meant to be vague enough to ensure different interpretations
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On October 13 2010 08:05 meeple wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2010 07:43 Pandain wrote:
@host: If, supposedly, there is a red herring, would it show up as a clue anyway?
As far as I know... there will be no deliberate red herrings... although people should keep in mind that the clues are meant to be vague enough to ensure different interpretations
There may or may not be deliberately misleading information in day posts. The mad scientist is the only role able to confirm whether or not a section of the day post contains a legitimate clue or not.
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For Masq,
+ Show Spoiler +18 - Glasse, CubEdIn, Nemesis, aztrorisk, Yogy, Neos, spydr, zerroth, Aeres, LSB, pandain, Hyperbola, seRapH, Flicky, Therick, TheMunkey, Bill Murray, coagulation
For Veldril
+ Show Spoiler +17 - Lucktar, jodogohoo, YummyBlaBla, kenpachi, annul, jcarlsoniv, youngminii, southrawrea, Masq, grandmoose, bumatlarge, HeavOnEarth, oddo123, thegilaboy, kingjames01, Lexpar, MetalFace
These list are important. If I die, let these guide you once you learn the alignment of the two.
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If either Masq or Vedril = gravedigger/creeper, how misleading would that be!
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On October 13 2010 08:09 oddo123 wrote:
If either Masq or Vedril = gravedigger/creeper, how misleading would that be!
Gravedigger/Creeper only show up as Evil side if investigated by detective.
If they are lynched, their true role will be exposed.
And there are more ways to fool detective anyway, so you know, it wouldn't be that big of a deal if we kill one and get wrong info about the other (since we couldn't be 100% sure of it anyway).
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On October 13 2010 08:09 oddo123 wrote:
If either Masq or Vedril = gravedigger/creeper, how misleading would that be!
better than them being townie. remember that they're not being rolechecked if they get lynched. they just die.
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On October 13 2010 08:07 DoctorHelvetica wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2010 08:05 meeple wrote:On October 13 2010 07:43 Pandain wrote:
@host: If, supposedly, there is a red herring, would it show up as a clue anyway?
As far as I know... there will be no deliberate red herrings... although people should keep in mind that the clues are meant to be vague enough to ensure different interpretations There may or may not be deliberately misleading information in day posts. The mad scientist is the only role able to confirm whether or not a section of the day post contains a legitimate clue or not.
I want everyone who voted Veldril to change their vote ASAP unless they pm me a reason, or state so in thread. I'd prefer Masq do to. We got this. However, stay on until the end would be preffered in the unlikely case we don't have enough time
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