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Pyrrhuloxia
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States6700 Posts
August 07 2010 03:18 GMT
#581
re: LSB's plan

If any blue gets roleblocked, they will be notified of the waxing and they will know not to expect a PM from the watcher.
If the watcher gets roleblocked, they just don't send out PMs since they didn't get to watch.
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
August 07 2010 03:18 GMT
#582
On August 07 2010 12:18 chaoser wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 07 2010 12:15 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:
On August 07 2010 12:08 LSB wrote:
Before I go to sleep.

What about this?

Watcher watches BM. Everyone else makes a beeline and random medics / Vigilanties / Stalkers go visit BM.

The Watcher then proceeds to PM everyone who visited BM and demands a Role Claim.
If someone pretends to be watcher, he'll probably make a mistake and won't send a PM to the right person, and then easy expose.

After a while, if the people who visited BM confirm that the Watcher is correct. The Watcher PMs everyone else who did not visit BM and demands a roleclaim

So we basically get 1 person who is confirmed.

First thing: no benefit to using BM as the watched person.

That said: maybe this is better. Only problems are with getting waxed but our blues will know if they get waxed so that's not even a problem. Mafia would get the ID of the Watcher but we could protect them indefinitely with bus driver, right?

Dude I think we might have a winner, here. Please look at LSB's plan here and critique it.


How would people know which one is real watcher and which one is mafia if they get asked?


agreed, and what if a person accidently sends it to a mafia because they asked first. No wayt ot ell who real watcher is.
Pyrrhuloxia
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States6700 Posts
August 07 2010 03:19 GMT
#583
On August 07 2010 12:18 chaoser wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 07 2010 12:15 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:
On August 07 2010 12:08 LSB wrote:
Before I go to sleep.

What about this?

Watcher watches BM. Everyone else makes a beeline and random medics / Vigilanties / Stalkers go visit BM.

The Watcher then proceeds to PM everyone who visited BM and demands a Role Claim.
If someone pretends to be watcher, he'll probably make a mistake and won't send a PM to the right person, and then easy expose.

After a while, if the people who visited BM confirm that the Watcher is correct. The Watcher PMs everyone else who did not visit BM and demands a roleclaim

So we basically get 1 person who is confirmed.

First thing: no benefit to using BM as the watched person.

That said: maybe this is better. Only problems are with getting waxed but our blues will know if they get waxed so that's not even a problem. Mafia would get the ID of the Watcher but we could protect them indefinitely with bus driver, right?

Dude I think we might have a winner, here. Please look at LSB's plan here and critique it.


How would people know which one is real watcher and which one is mafia if they get asked?

The mafia can't watch, so there will be blues that don't get PMd from a mafia trying to fake watcher. The mafia fake-watcher may also end up PMing greens, there by giving themselves away.
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
August 07 2010 03:21 GMT
#584
On August 07 2010 12:19 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 07 2010 12:18 chaoser wrote:
On August 07 2010 12:15 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:
On August 07 2010 12:08 LSB wrote:
Before I go to sleep.

What about this?

Watcher watches BM. Everyone else makes a beeline and random medics / Vigilanties / Stalkers go visit BM.

The Watcher then proceeds to PM everyone who visited BM and demands a Role Claim.
If someone pretends to be watcher, he'll probably make a mistake and won't send a PM to the right person, and then easy expose.

After a while, if the people who visited BM confirm that the Watcher is correct. The Watcher PMs everyone else who did not visit BM and demands a roleclaim

So we basically get 1 person who is confirmed.

First thing: no benefit to using BM as the watched person.

That said: maybe this is better. Only problems are with getting waxed but our blues will know if they get waxed so that's not even a problem. Mafia would get the ID of the Watcher but we could protect them indefinitely with bus driver, right?

Dude I think we might have a winner, here. Please look at LSB's plan here and critique it.


How would people know which one is real watcher and which one is mafia if they get asked?

The mafia can't watch, so there will be blues that don't get PMd from a mafia trying to fake watcher. The mafia fake-watcher may also end up PMing greens, there by giving themselves away.

true true. Still, for "vigilante's" to visit him they would have to shoot him, and even if the said medics did protect him it still means they lose their KP.

So they should NOT.
SouthRawrea
Profile Joined June 2010
Canada608 Posts
August 07 2010 03:21 GMT
#585
Greens don't know if they're nosy or not though so that means nothing.
Pyrrhuloxia
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States6700 Posts
August 07 2010 03:22 GMT
#586
On August 07 2010 12:18 Pandain wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 07 2010 12:18 chaoser wrote:
On August 07 2010 12:15 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:
On August 07 2010 12:08 LSB wrote:
Before I go to sleep.

What about this?

Watcher watches BM. Everyone else makes a beeline and random medics / Vigilanties / Stalkers go visit BM.

The Watcher then proceeds to PM everyone who visited BM and demands a Role Claim.
If someone pretends to be watcher, he'll probably make a mistake and won't send a PM to the right person, and then easy expose.

After a while, if the people who visited BM confirm that the Watcher is correct. The Watcher PMs everyone else who did not visit BM and demands a roleclaim

So we basically get 1 person who is confirmed.

First thing: no benefit to using BM as the watched person.

That said: maybe this is better. Only problems are with getting waxed but our blues will know if they get waxed so that's not even a problem. Mafia would get the ID of the Watcher but we could protect them indefinitely with bus driver, right?

Dude I think we might have a winner, here. Please look at LSB's plan here and critique it.


How would people know which one is real watcher and which one is mafia if they get asked?


agreed, and what if a person accidently sends it to a mafia because they asked first. No wayt ot ell who real watcher is.

If what person accidentally sends what to a mafia? We can easily pick out a fake watcher with this plan because the only way to fake watcher will be to CORRECTLY GUESS 100% OF THE VISITING BLUES.
Misder
Profile Joined October 2009
United States1557 Posts
August 07 2010 03:22 GMT
#587
On August 07 2010 11:44 Roffles wrote:
Honestly, I don't give a fuck what goes on Day 1. Just a bunch of nonsense garbage spewed out by everyone who's got no clue what anyone is.

That being said, I don't see why BM doesn't understand why his plan won't work.


In all of the confusion of the plan (that might just be me though...), we shouldn't miss these posts. Roffles just stated that the plan that is very probable of getting a mafia name is not important. This may mean that Roffles is trying to frame this plan as "nonsense garbage", meaning we shouldn't continue with the plan. More scummy than town.
And this post is one of two posts he posted. Granted, he did state that he doesn't want to post too much, but still...

I'm going to vote roffles. He doesn't even seem like to he's reading the thread. Either he is townie and just doesn't post (which is unlikely as he is more of a veteran mafia player), a blue (also unlikely because he would actually pay attention to the plan), a ninja (likely, cause he has no point in helping), or mafia (which may be likely because he doesn't want to post). Town makes a good lynch if he is ninja, or if he is mafia.
Whaaaa?
Pyrrhuloxia
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States6700 Posts
August 07 2010 03:23 GMT
#588
ah wtf there are nosy neighbors. didn't even fucking see that till now.
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
August 07 2010 03:24 GMT
#589
On August 07 2010 12:22 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 07 2010 12:18 Pandain wrote:
On August 07 2010 12:18 chaoser wrote:
On August 07 2010 12:15 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:
On August 07 2010 12:08 LSB wrote:
Before I go to sleep.

What about this?

Watcher watches BM. Everyone else makes a beeline and random medics / Vigilanties / Stalkers go visit BM.

The Watcher then proceeds to PM everyone who visited BM and demands a Role Claim.
If someone pretends to be watcher, he'll probably make a mistake and won't send a PM to the right person, and then easy expose.

After a while, if the people who visited BM confirm that the Watcher is correct. The Watcher PMs everyone else who did not visit BM and demands a roleclaim

So we basically get 1 person who is confirmed.

First thing: no benefit to using BM as the watched person.

That said: maybe this is better. Only problems are with getting waxed but our blues will know if they get waxed so that's not even a problem. Mafia would get the ID of the Watcher but we could protect them indefinitely with bus driver, right?

Dude I think we might have a winner, here. Please look at LSB's plan here and critique it.


How would people know which one is real watcher and which one is mafia if they get asked?


agreed, and what if a person accidently sends it to a mafia because they asked first. No wayt ot ell who real watcher is.

If what person accidentally sends what to a mafia? We can easily pick out a fake watcher with this plan because the only way to fake watcher will be to CORRECTLY GUESS 100% OF THE VISITING BLUES.


So some adaptions to this plan:

People who get pmed from watcher will wait 12-24 hours to see if a townie will claim he got a pm from said person before the blues will respond
vigis will NOT visit said person(lol)
This plan does seem pretty good...

Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
August 07 2010 03:25 GMT
#590
On August 07 2010 12:23 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:
ah wtf there are nosy neighbors. didn't even fucking see that till now.


1/30 chance, negligible.
Pyrrhuloxia
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States6700 Posts
August 07 2010 03:27 GMT
#591
On August 07 2010 12:25 Pandain wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 07 2010 12:23 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:
ah wtf there are nosy neighbors. didn't even fucking see that till now.


1/30 chance, negligible.

We don't know how many there are do we?
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
August 07 2010 03:29 GMT
#592
On August 07 2010 12:27 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 07 2010 12:25 Pandain wrote:
On August 07 2010 12:23 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:
ah wtf there are nosy neighbors. didn't even fucking see that till now.


1/30 chance, negligible.

We don't know how many there are do we?


okay, in which case they will respond" Huh... what the fadoodle you talkin' bout son." Than DTS can check them and see if they are town. Problem solved.
SouthRawrea
Profile Joined June 2010
Canada608 Posts
August 07 2010 03:33 GMT
#593
Godfather can fake whispered green can they not? I think we should stick with the original plan.
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
August 07 2010 03:34 GMT
#594
On August 07 2010 12:33 SouthRawrea wrote:
Godfather can fake whispered green can they not? I think we should stick with the original plan.


GF can't visit someone.
Divinek
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
Canada4045 Posts
August 07 2010 03:35 GMT
#595
it's still quite unlikely a noisy neighbour is going to visit bm that night

we can easily just get every townie that gets a pm from the 'watcher' to say he did and if it's more than say 1 or 2 , two would easily be even pushing it, then all the blues can know the watcher is a bullshitter.

and besides like said the mafia would have to for sure hit every blue on that list accurately and there's just no way mafia could come even close to doing this

because all the people that visit him KNOW they did it
Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity.
Oh goodness me, FOX tv where do you get your sight? Can't you keep track, the puck is black. That's why the ice is white.
Pyrrhuloxia
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States6700 Posts
August 07 2010 03:35 GMT
#596
On August 07 2010 12:24 Pandain wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 07 2010 12:22 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:
On August 07 2010 12:18 Pandain wrote:
On August 07 2010 12:18 chaoser wrote:
On August 07 2010 12:15 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:
On August 07 2010 12:08 LSB wrote:
Before I go to sleep.

What about this?

Watcher watches BM. Everyone else makes a beeline and random medics / Vigilanties / Stalkers go visit BM.

The Watcher then proceeds to PM everyone who visited BM and demands a Role Claim.
If someone pretends to be watcher, he'll probably make a mistake and won't send a PM to the right person, and then easy expose.

After a while, if the people who visited BM confirm that the Watcher is correct. The Watcher PMs everyone else who did not visit BM and demands a roleclaim

So we basically get 1 person who is confirmed.

First thing: no benefit to using BM as the watched person.

That said: maybe this is better. Only problems are with getting waxed but our blues will know if they get waxed so that's not even a problem. Mafia would get the ID of the Watcher but we could protect them indefinitely with bus driver, right?

Dude I think we might have a winner, here. Please look at LSB's plan here and critique it.


How would people know which one is real watcher and which one is mafia if they get asked?


agreed, and what if a person accidently sends it to a mafia because they asked first. No wayt ot ell who real watcher is.

If what person accidentally sends what to a mafia? We can easily pick out a fake watcher with this plan because the only way to fake watcher will be to CORRECTLY GUESS 100% OF THE VISITING BLUES.


So some adaptions to this plan:

People who get pmed from watcher will wait 12-24 hours to see if a townie will claim he got a pm from said person before the blues will respond
vigis will NOT visit said person(lol)
This plan does seem pretty good...


Current Version of LSB Plan
We pick a THIS GUY.
All watchers watch him. All detectives check him. All medics prot him. All trackers track him.
Bus drivers and vigis stay away. Hatters probably stay away, too.
If a blue's action went through (no waxing) they will expect a PM from a watcher.
If no PMs are sent, there is no watcher or watcher was waxed.
If a blue gets one PM, then that is the real watcher unless the unlikely event of the watcher being waxed (mafia can possibly claim waxed watcher).
If a green gets a PM they can come forward - they are nosy neighbor or mafia is faking. If no greens come forward we are probably doing good.
If a blue that didn't act on THIS GUY gets a PM, we have a surefire mafia.
If no one steps forward seeing shenanigans for say, 24 hours. We can have watcher step forward - no one else comes forward we can protect them with bus. If more than one step forward, a blue can use pm evidence to out them if they are fake, maybe a DT can use a mouth they've confirmed (look for mafia to use an innocent as a mouth here, or maybe a mafia as a mouth like rastaban/sr last game).
Pyrrhuloxia
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States6700 Posts
August 07 2010 03:37 GMT
#597
On August 07 2010 12:33 SouthRawrea wrote:
Godfather can fake whispered green can they not? I think we should stick with the original plan.

Any chance you want to talk in the thread and on the record about why you switched your vote from Bill Murray to love1another in order to switch it from 5-4 to 4-5?
bumatlarge
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States4567 Posts
August 07 2010 03:37 GMT
#598
This thread is hilarious after a few drinks. Its funny because someone already tried to initiate pandains plan i think, and it flew over everyones head. So if yo are blue look real hard for a clue, and if you are red look real hard for a red herring.

BTW hesymrr, i want greens to act blue because:
1. it makes active
2. it makes blues easier to hide amidst the town if every acts like blue instead of them attempting to seem green. But I guess you think that would make reds easier to hide? I think with so many blue roles available, we can rely on finding alot of reds with blue facts. IMO.
Together but separate, like oatmeal
Divinek
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
Canada4045 Posts
August 07 2010 03:39 GMT
#599
also in theory if all the blues that can do this actually do it

we get a circle that includes

trackers, watchers, medics, dts, and even MH cause they might as well place a bomb on bm/this person whoever, and they can move it the next day just so they can be put into this circle

only vig and vets wont be pulled in right away

but still how do we distinguish a role blocker from all the other roles? if they visit with all these people and fake claim

there's no way to check them out because we dont have role counts, unless this person is the go between, between ALL of the roles and doesnt use names or something
Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity.
Oh goodness me, FOX tv where do you get your sight? Can't you keep track, the puck is black. That's why the ice is white.
rastaban
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States2294 Posts
August 07 2010 03:39 GMT
#600
uhg, gone for a few hours and there is so much catching up to do. I need a while to let all this course through my brain before responding.
Tyler: "...damn it, that's StarCraft. Opening doors is what we do. Being the first to find food is the greatest pleasure a player can have!"
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