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On August 18 2010 16:31 Misder wrote:
What gave me away, besides the tracker tracking me and BC checking me?
I had you pegged since Day 2 for lurking/being suspicious ^^. Granted, alot of people might have been like that, but you stuck out to me. Not sure why.
"I was really kicking myself in the ass when I saw that DTA was taken out."
It's alright Amber. I guess you didn't know I was blue? Should've protected me though, Xelin's just a green, and Opz had already become public at that point. T_T. All's well that ends well though I guess.
On August 18 2010 20:51 Ace wrote:
lmao at Opz's "interrogation" of Amber. hahahaha o god Opz don't ever be a cop in real life.
Detective Opz: Why did you steal the cookies?
Suspect: I didn't steal the cookies...
*chair goes flying against the wall while Opz eyes' start bulging*
Detective Opz: YOU CLAIMING YOU WEREN'T HUNGRY BOY!??!
LMAOOOO.
bowdown indeed.
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Can I get an access to the mafia discussion thread? It would be pretty interesting to see what they were thinking at the time- or hopefully Chezinu will do his thing again.
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On August 18 2010 12:17 BloodyC0bbler wrote:Show nested quote +On August 18 2010 12:15 rastaban wrote:On August 18 2010 12:04 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On August 18 2010 11:57 Pandain wrote:On August 18 2010 11:22 VayeshMoru wrote:On August 18 2010 11:19 BrownBear wrote:
I love when 3rd party roles don't play towards their win conditions...
seriously BC wtf. Eh? I helped get pandain lynched behind the scenes, plus wasn't sure of the name I was given at first when i got bm's name. So I continued to help town  . I also agreed to help them for his name, so I think I did play to my win condition, just not as chaotically as people would have expected. mafia should have just messaged me as soon as my smurf failed as I was a super obvious ninja at that point. You know I was Ninja? I swear lol there was actually a bit of a chance I could've won as I had known both the ninjas. So I was going to kill one and then all I had to do was get fake being dt through the day. If I had gotten through that, then I was going to kill VM/BM and win =D. Of course, two of my secret friends had to be mafia, and then Brownbear(GF) sent in the pm I sent him to Xelin. GG for me. Actually, you would have won. My part in getting you lynched was you lying about your role + confirming my legitimacy to xelin as ninja. You claimed 4 total ninja to rasta and claimed ninja to him, but then claimed like green to one or two others. So I told xelin you were fake claiming ninja and had claimed green. Then you claimed something to him, and he + others talked in pm land and you then were lynched. I honestly thought you were being a reallly stupid red or the like. Had you however told rasta the correct amount of total ninja I'd have shot you just in case. Had you not been lynched youd have easily won it. Of course I wouldn't have told who he is the number had been right. of course shortly after that I realized you could have been faking me out by giving me the wrong number so I would mistrust my ninja and reveal him to you. I should have checked with him first when I learned the #s didn't match up. Did you realize he was the person who was my ninja before all that? I knew it was him or pyrr based on in thread posting then pyrr told me you claimed ninja (wtf?) so I figured Pandain was lying. I am pretty sure He would have offed me since i would have checked him first. Or he would have shot bm or the like.
Bah! I realized based on last game, how easy pro-town circles are to pick out. The mafia knows they have to hide it so they try to blend, but town players know they are legit so they are more open. Also they are working on ideas together so they will naturally agree since they have worked out differences before hand.
Another thing I noticed but didn't investigate is posting times. After they were revealed I went back through and saw times where we had mafia swapping posts. Now this happens legitimately too, but it could be looked at since mafia will try and organize times to be on together. It was something I was worried about last game when i changed my posting habits to be up later to fit in with my teams schedule.
My early mafia reads weren't too well, but I am surprised that all my early town reads were legitimate. As the game progressed and i got more information from some of the better players it was easier to pinpoint mafia then. It was risky, but allying myself with Foolishness first thing day 2 (gambling that he wasn't GF) was the best move I probably could have made.
The early game (day 2 start) was crazy fun because there was so much information and I was able to work a lot using logic rather analysis (which is MUCH harder)
Chezinu wasn't lying because he called BC out on his post about visiting someone. If he had been mafia fake claiming he wouldn't have targeted someone who specifically said they had gone out.
Xelins continual calling for watchers meant we didn't have any making it more likely that all 4 tracker claims were legit.
Xelin's group asked me to track BB to get confirmed which meant he was most likely claiming to hatter. LOL, if this had been followed through on then we might have caught the GF much earlier.
BC was in the town circle, day2 but hadn't gone out that night so obviously he had to be a ninja. Pyrr actually had told me his claim when he believed I was the ninja so this was more of a confirmation, but I hope I would have spotted it regardless
I had Opz and Xelin mixed up though. I knew for that many of the circle to be confirmed without a watcher, one of them had to be a tracker and one a nozy neighbor. I thought Xelin was a tracker as well and had tracked Opz that night but it was the other way around (Occams razon would have helped me here)
Foolishness and I weren't in the main town circle so we worked on figuring out the roles. It was funny but the poor blue sniping actually started being a major factor in peoples confirmations for me. If the mafia had gotten more blues early on I think the circles would have fallen apart with infighting.
Me getting blocked the 2nd night was too funny, it made the circle very suspicious of me. I was lucky that I had been pretty pro-town or I might have gotten lynched that night.
I was really sad that I couldn't stop the Pandain and SouthRawrea lynches. I was certain both were innocent but couldn't convince enough other people. Logically both were sound (A liar and a RCed mafia RB) but I was certain neither actually was red.
Some things I learned this game
-It is easier to read pro-town than mafia, but just eliminating some suspects can really help.
-Town plan's can go horribly awry
-Be careful with assumptions. (some of the very worst assumptions day 1 were mine. thanks for making me look stupid flamewheel .
-Peoples previous pasting habits is one of the biggest clues to alignment (less about quantity and more about style).
-Just get out there and talk, you can learn a lot just by having conversations with people.
-There is always information, the lack thereof can be information as well.
Thanks everyone who played it was very fun.
Foolishness and BloodyC0bbler thanks for pointing me in the right direction and helping me with my analysis.
Edit - Also my previous post this game put me over 500. Yay I am contributing
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On August 18 2010 15:31 DarthThienAn wrote:
My post game thoughts-
Pandain: Dude, I am so confused by you. You had the perfect cover as a ninja - claiming ninja with the wrong number? None of us thought you were ninja. The day you got lynched, you notice how everyone voted for you, went back to youngminii, then went back to you? It was because you were such a bad liar that we thought you were mafia. We heard you go around claiming ninja with 4 ninjas, but we knew there were only 3 because of BM/BC. Sure, one of them could have been lying, but both of them? I doubt it. Anyway, you then later claimed like DT or Townie or something, and we were like, "Alright, he's just a really bad fishing townie." But then you sent that PM to BB that was like "Oh I read it as 3 OTHER ninjas, not 3 ninjas," when we knew the wording was "2 other ninjas." So, with the emphasis on OTHER, you made us think that you were saying your role PM said "There are 3 ninjas", in which case, you were lying terribly, and we thought you were mafia for it. So then I pushed for your lynched, and everyone switched back.
Hehe, everyone thinks I played horribly so I'm just going to lay out my actions and my plan and ask if it was really that bad.
Okay, first off I should really stop with the secret friendship alliances. I told TWO mafia my role(ninja). One of them was BBl, the GF as well. So I think a new stipulation of SFA should be: You don't have to tell people roles.
Okay, so I missed my first night action. I also told Xelin I was townie(later changed to ninja)However, I had found out from Rastaban and BB(possibly him) that both VM and BM were ninjas. The day I got lynched, Xelin had accused me and started to get me lynched for lying. However, then I fake claimed DT(the only thing that could save me.) I knew BB's (fake) role, so I claimed I had checked him and didn't tell Xelin I was DT because I wasn't sure if he was mafia.
So that worked, and then Young also fake claimed he was blue. I could've defended myself and gotten him lynched instead, but it was really the PM I sent to BB that he ended up revealing to Xelin. In that PM, I told him I was really IN FACT ninja (=D). Since BB was protecting Young, he sent Xelin the PM. Then I was screwed.
In fact, I truly believe I would've won if I had lived that night. I'm sort of sad I got so many "Damn boi Pandain sucks ninja" (even Flamewheel said that =D). Maybe it's true, just asking.
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Yay we winz xD
Power to the people!
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Note:
I had intended to ask to be removed from this mafia game due to Ace's PYP mafia that he intended to begin and that I would only have time for one mafia game, due to classes beginning this week. The only reason I decided to play was I received my role PM and was tracker.
So the game began:
And I begin this game just as I begin every mafia game that includes over 20 players: Make one to three posts day one, and AFK the rest of the day. I stay read up on the thread, but there just always seems too much bull shit to follow all of that in a game with 30 players. My first target I decided to track was Pyrr because...well I never trust Pyrr. He ALWAYS seems mafia to me. He also spent a majority of time protecting YoungMinii so he might as well have been.
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Night One:
Xelin was MIA most of the night, and I had to direct most all night actions, besides the medics.
I hadn't read the thread due to my new job starting and making me work 10 hours that day, so I get home about an hour before night ends. I had already sent my track in on Pyrr. LSB had sent me (and everyone else) a PM detailing his plan to have everyone visit Xelin. I quickly changed my target to Xelin, receiving a note he visited BM.
Day Two:
At the same time BM pm's me telling me that he knows I'm a tracker, and he claims he's DT. He threatens to out me publicly if I don't respond, again, I had been afk. Needed sleep. So after getting back on I get with BM (BB had claimed role block.) by this point. So I inform him Xelin visited him, and that I'm going to get from Xelin why he visited BM or out him in public and attempt to get him lynched. Well, BM pm's Xelin too, (No idea why), I pm Xelin, and Darth pm's Xelin. This was how the town circle was formed.
Darth and I both had forgotten about the Framer, more on this later.
You see, on day one we had found out a lot. Foolishness had given me knowledge that he had a hatter and a tracker (Rastaban). Not to mention Chezinu had already claimed tracker too. Given that Darth was confirmed I of course was suspicious of the other tracker, and told Foolishness not to trust him. Foolishness being a stubborn mule tells the town I'm head of a town circle apparently. Given that I was tracker, I did not like this at all, so I started making Alltell jokes in the thread.
At this point me and BrownBear are talking (he had two circles infiltrated?) Good thing I gave him like 0 information besides my own role, and that was well into the game. He was a hatter, he didn't need any information regarding roles. I told him numbers of claims of trackers, but that was because I needed him to place bombs. YM and Rastaban, and BumAtLarge.
BumAtLarge was the night two bomb target iirc, which we lynched him the next day. So before Tree.Hugger was popped, BumAtLarge was slated to die. So the connections were unimportant, Bum was just scummy. Also, I'm almost positive I told BrownBear I was receiving CONSTANT medic protection though. My circle had actually discussed BrownBear being GF...but we laughed about it. (Sorry! xD).
Me and Darth + Framer: so we kind of messed up there. But I was under the impression we had a contingency plan. If me and an unidentified tracker (the only one who's name wasn't spoken) both died, BrownBear was instructed to place a bomb on Xelin. We couldn't trust Xelin completely until the Framer was dead, but we had decidedly said Xelin was playing completely pro-town and he was the one receiving most Role Pms. But with Tree.Hugger's death, he was Legit.
=D
By Day One's close we had pretty much every role claim handed to us. Misder claimed late, starting suspicion on him. I told Darth my suspicions of BumAtLarge. He was posting consistently, but the only thing he was saying was that he had faith in the circle. Not offering to help, not saying anything useful, just posting to seem active. YM claimed vig which fucked himself. BB was in good, I just don't say names in PM Land. I'm sure he can attest to this. Lol.
Did you mafia get lucky on Darth, or did I actually slip that?
Night Two:
A lot happened this night, I feel like I'm typing too much.
Also, BC claimed Ninja to Darth. Me/Darth were debating on just creating the most epic moment in mafia history and having all three ninjas hit each other night one. Lol. We had all three. It woulda been bad ass.
Our plan for night two was simple. Have the two ninja's, and the Vigi claimant off suspicious people. Well YM claimed Vigi (I posted this in thread, and was ignored...) and was told to off roffles. Roffles had been rather quite and uncooperative to the town circle, but YM was hesitant saying he didn't want to waste his only hit. Half the town was about to be confirmed, and YM had the most to prove after almost being lynched. That was why the problem was with 5 Deaths instead of 6. No one but me wanted to pursue it, but new plans came up, and YM stayed in the back of my mind. He was about to be resolved when the Mafia GG'd.
BM kept changing his hit, and BC was already set on Tree.Hugger. I forgot who I was pushing BM towards, but eventually BM wanted Tree.Hugger and told me not to tell anyone. I spammed Darth like crazy telling him tell BC to change targets NOW. So BC switched to Divinek, which me and Darth were fine with. We wanted to see if YM could confirm himself. That's why BC kept asking if anyone took a hit on Day three.
Will edit in more later, if anyones interested in the long grueling confusing story and terrible writing I'm doing.
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Oh, I had been claiming Nosy neighbor, saying my ninja checked me as that and two trackers tracked me.
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I was using Xelin's story with the half truth I was checked. Lol. Didn't want to tell possible mafia I was tracker. Prob why BB didn't hit me, TBH.
Edit:
Yes Rastaban. That's why BB had you role blocked. That was one thing I had slipped, because he was supposed to of put a bomb on you too.
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Edit 2:
BC, again, Thank You. You were an amazing help to me.
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@Opz: Yo your timeline is so confusing lol. Day One? Day Two? Whhaaa.
The night I died was the night BM changed his hit a billion times, right? I was told that he was on Pyrr to start out. Then he switched to someone else. Then he switched to Youngminii and I was like "O.o why? But oh well, as long as YM takes his shot." Then he switched to tree.hugger (privately to Opz, but Opz told me). So I told BC about it (without revealing BM's name), so BC hit Divinek instead.
@Framer: Like I said, I misinterpreted how tracking on the Framer role went down, and by then, I had already PMed Opz with like, my role and everything because I thought he was 100% town. If Xelin had been framer, with BB on his team, I'm not sure how that would have fared for the town xD. But by then, I was pretty convinced of Xelin's innocence because of the Pandain lynch.
Night 2 - KF91 was supposed to bomb someone random (I forget who) but I think he bombed Xelin, lol. BB was supposed to bomb bum, which would have been great if BB hadn't been a fake hatter lol.
Pandain, we lynched you for lying too much. You claim ninja, then claim "I'm actually DT/townie." That's fine. But when re-claim "I'm ACTUALLY ninja" with poor interpretation of your PM, I was like, he's definitely not a ninja - lynch him.
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So my original statement from months ago is correct? BC in a PM setup = broken? 
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On August 19 2010 02:40 Ace wrote:So my original statement from months ago is correct? BC in a PM setup = broken?
Really...I didn't tell BC much in PMs. Me and him only began communicating after Darth died. The only reason I spoke with him was because he was confirmed. Darth was our go between. He gave more advice than actually doing anything.
No pressure nothing. If I pm'd him a question, he'd give kind of a more broad interpretation. If I sent him a list of people I suspected, he'd say a little and say let me send it to Pyrr. Lol. I don't think he trusted Pyrr too much himself.
@_@
BB almost had me, but he stopped PMing me regularly. He could probably of gotten a bit out of me. I wouldn't release the medics names, even to each other, until Amber proved himself by saving Rastaban. Hesmyrr had been tracked by me and Chezinu to me, so he was legit. Hesmyrr also didn't want to get to into the circle, he generally just spoke with me. I dunno if he ever actually PM'd chezinu back xD....
Sry Hes, I told Chez you were arranged to visit me. Not if it was protect or track, or check, or anything. But I'm sure Chez knew it was protect.
And Chezinu...you are insane even in PMs....
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On August 19 2010 02:34 DarthThienAn wrote:
@Opz: Yo your timeline is so confusing lol. Day One? Day Two? Whhaaa.
The night I died was the night BM changed his hit a billion times, right? I was told that he was on Pyrr to start out. Then he switched to someone else. Then he switched to Youngminii and I was like "O.o why? But oh well, as long as YM takes his shot." Then he switched to tree.hugger (privately to Opz, but Opz told me). So I told BC about it (without revealing BM's name), so BC hit Divinek instead.
@Framer: Like I said, I misinterpreted how tracking on the Framer role went down, and by then, I had already PMed Opz with like, my role and everything because I thought he was 100% town. If Xelin had been framer, with BB on his team, I'm not sure how that would have fared for the town xD. But by then, I was pretty convinced of Xelin's innocence because of the Pandain lynch.
Night 2 - KF91 was supposed to bomb someone random (I forget who) but I think he bombed Xelin, lol. BB was supposed to bomb bum, which would have been great if BB hadn't been a fake hatter lol.
Pandain, we lynched you for lying too much. You claim ninja, then claim "I'm actually DT/townie." That's fine. But when re-claim "I'm ACTUALLY ninja" with poor interpretation of your PM, I was like, he's definitely not a ninja - lynch him.
iirc Xelin or you were the only one against letting BB into the circle. So that's very good. 3 outta 4 of us thought he would be useful, but since one said no I wouldn't pass anything to him other than suspects. Bad thing was the suspects I passed to him, with the exception of Rastaban and Pyrr, were mafia!
xD
I bet you were tripping like fuck when I pm'd you to put a bomb on BumAtLarge, huh BB?
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On August 18 2010 21:53 Qatol wrote:Show nested quote +On August 18 2010 14:32 Incognito wrote:Another thing. Town plans. Like last game, this game's town plan was terrible, yet yielded a good result. I'd like to know for certain how Xelin could prove his innocence, but I think its probably something like he got tracked to BM day 1 and BM didn't die so Xelin is either blue/framer/neighbor? And after framer dies hes legit. Either way, the obvious hole in the plan this game was that there was no watcher. This game shows that you can't really make plans based off of assumptions of roles that may or may not exist. Notice what happened here: besides the very lucky scenario that Xelin happened to be a neighbor, town would have accomplished nothing otherwise. Suppose Xelin was a townie (like he thought himself to be.) Town loses a WHOLE DAY of blue night actions. Trackers tracks were useless, when they could have been out trying to find scum. Medics protected one person, which allowed mafia to take a free shot at anyone else in the game (in this instance, Foolishness, who luckily was a veteran). Overall, town would have been set back a day if Xelin wasn't conveniently a neighbor. They would have lost valuable information and time and would just have extra dead townies to show for it. Not much of a plan if you ask me. Reading through day 1 of the thread was hillarious. I was originally going to make a post simply quoting all the posts where people made silly/incorrect assumptions. As I am on vacation and not at home, I don't have time to do this, but I'm pretty confident that I could get pages and pages worth of posts making terrible assumptions. Knowing what you know now as town, just skim through the first 30 pages of posts and you'll see what I'm talking about. This is one thing that wrecks towns. Making assumptions (especially in plans) and acting based on those assumptions, leading to terrible conclusions and valuable wasted time. 1. I hate blue circles. 2. I have passed along my hatred of blue circles to most hosts. 3. It is highly unlikely that the hosts would have allowed a circle via watching/tracking the same person night 1. The mafia have too much trouble breaking that kind of plan.
I have this hatred, and one of the biggest things is "what sort of plan can town come up with on day 1." Regardless, Watchers are stupid.
And having no detectives is lulz.
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On August 19 2010 02:34 DarthThienAn wrote:
@Opz: Yo your timeline is so confusing lol. Day One? Day Two? Whhaaa.
The night I died was the night BM changed his hit a billion times, right? I was told that he was on Pyrr to start out. Then he switched to someone else. Then he switched to Youngminii and I was like "O.o why? But oh well, as long as YM takes his shot." Then he switched to tree.hugger (privately to Opz, but Opz told me). So I told BC about it (without revealing BM's name), so BC hit Divinek instead.
@Framer: Like I said, I misinterpreted how tracking on the Framer role went down, and by then, I had already PMed Opz with like, my role and everything because I thought he was 100% town. If Xelin had been framer, with BB on his team, I'm not sure how that would have fared for the town xD. But by then, I was pretty convinced of Xelin's innocence because of the Pandain lynch.
Night 2 - KF91 was supposed to bomb someone random (I forget who) but I think he bombed Xelin, lol. BB was supposed to bomb bum, which would have been great if BB hadn't been a fake hatter lol.
Pandain, we lynched you for lying too much. You claim ninja, then claim "I'm actually DT/townie." That's fine. But when re-claim "I'm ACTUALLY ninja" with poor interpretation of your PM, I was like, he's definitely not a ninja - lynch him.
Well yeah, but I had to tell the truth to my secret friend!
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On August 19 2010 02:40 Ace wrote:So my original statement from months ago is correct? BC in a PM setup = broken?
Yes!
On August 19 2010 03:33 flamewheel wrote:Show nested quote +On August 18 2010 21:53 Qatol wrote:On August 18 2010 14:32 Incognito wrote:Another thing. Town plans. Like last game, this game's town plan was terrible, yet yielded a good result. I'd like to know for certain how Xelin could prove his innocence, but I think its probably something like he got tracked to BM day 1 and BM didn't die so Xelin is either blue/framer/neighbor? And after framer dies hes legit. Either way, the obvious hole in the plan this game was that there was no watcher. This game shows that you can't really make plans based off of assumptions of roles that may or may not exist. Notice what happened here: besides the very lucky scenario that Xelin happened to be a neighbor, town would have accomplished nothing otherwise. Suppose Xelin was a townie (like he thought himself to be.) Town loses a WHOLE DAY of blue night actions. Trackers tracks were useless, when they could have been out trying to find scum. Medics protected one person, which allowed mafia to take a free shot at anyone else in the game (in this instance, Foolishness, who luckily was a veteran). Overall, town would have been set back a day if Xelin wasn't conveniently a neighbor. They would have lost valuable information and time and would just have extra dead townies to show for it. Not much of a plan if you ask me. Reading through day 1 of the thread was hillarious. I was originally going to make a post simply quoting all the posts where people made silly/incorrect assumptions. As I am on vacation and not at home, I don't have time to do this, but I'm pretty confident that I could get pages and pages worth of posts making terrible assumptions. Knowing what you know now as town, just skim through the first 30 pages of posts and you'll see what I'm talking about. This is one thing that wrecks towns. Making assumptions (especially in plans) and acting based on those assumptions, leading to terrible conclusions and valuable wasted time. 1. I hate blue circles. 2. I have passed along my hatred of blue circles to most hosts. 3. It is highly unlikely that the hosts would have allowed a circle via watching/tracking the same person night 1. The mafia have too much trouble breaking that kind of plan. I have this hatred, and one of the biggest things is "what sort of plan can town come up with on day 1." Regardless, Watchers are stupid. And having no detectives is lulz.
I love the fact that you messed with the role counts. No DT, no watcher, no Vig, and 4 trackers.
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On August 19 2010 02:40 Ace wrote:So my original statement from months ago is correct? BC in a PM setup = broken?
Nah, you just have to be careful around him. If you are, he makes a pretty good minion. 
On August 19 2010 03:33 flamewheel wrote:Show nested quote +On August 18 2010 21:53 Qatol wrote:On August 18 2010 14:32 Incognito wrote:Another thing. Town plans. Like last game, this game's town plan was terrible, yet yielded a good result. I'd like to know for certain how Xelin could prove his innocence, but I think its probably something like he got tracked to BM day 1 and BM didn't die so Xelin is either blue/framer/neighbor? And after framer dies hes legit. Either way, the obvious hole in the plan this game was that there was no watcher. This game shows that you can't really make plans based off of assumptions of roles that may or may not exist. Notice what happened here: besides the very lucky scenario that Xelin happened to be a neighbor, town would have accomplished nothing otherwise. Suppose Xelin was a townie (like he thought himself to be.) Town loses a WHOLE DAY of blue night actions. Trackers tracks were useless, when they could have been out trying to find scum. Medics protected one person, which allowed mafia to take a free shot at anyone else in the game (in this instance, Foolishness, who luckily was a veteran). Overall, town would have been set back a day if Xelin wasn't conveniently a neighbor. They would have lost valuable information and time and would just have extra dead townies to show for it. Not much of a plan if you ask me. Reading through day 1 of the thread was hillarious. I was originally going to make a post simply quoting all the posts where people made silly/incorrect assumptions. As I am on vacation and not at home, I don't have time to do this, but I'm pretty confident that I could get pages and pages worth of posts making terrible assumptions. Knowing what you know now as town, just skim through the first 30 pages of posts and you'll see what I'm talking about. This is one thing that wrecks towns. Making assumptions (especially in plans) and acting based on those assumptions, leading to terrible conclusions and valuable wasted time. 1. I hate blue circles. 2. I have passed along my hatred of blue circles to most hosts. 3. It is highly unlikely that the hosts would have allowed a circle via watching/tracking the same person night 1. The mafia have too much trouble breaking that kind of plan. I have this hatred, and one of the biggest things is "what sort of plan can town come up with on day 1." Regardless, Watchers are stupid. And having no detectives is lulz.
Oh I don't mind the town coming up with plans. Heck, I don't even mind confirming players eventually. But I hate it when it is easy. Most people don't remember the old blue circle games, but after being in a few games with them, both inside the circle and outside of it, I can say that it is just not much fun. I'd much prefer the town scramble around a bit early. If the town gets a unique situation later in the game where they can confirm someone (there is a way to do it with a medic save + DTs) or they do something clever to confirm someone (usually depends more on the rules of that specific game), more power to them. But I don't like making it easy.
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I feel like the mafia needed a doctor in this
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On August 19 2010 03:49 Bill Murray wrote:
I feel like the mafia needed a doctor in this
Well town only had 1 KP role, and even with the ninja help only 1 died at night.
Flamewheel, can you clarify on the tracking roleblockers/framers? In the response I got back from you I thought you said they return the night kill, but one of the other trackers later said that no, it returns the action that they took.
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not solely for protection, but there needed to be more movement with 4 trackers or people will be confirmed fast (especially when the framer died). The roleblocker can be deduced fairly easily, but a doctor would have been a safer scum role
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On August 19 2010 04:01 Bill Murray wrote:
not solely for protection, but there needed to be more movement with 4 trackers or people will be confirmed fast (especially when the framer died). The roleblocker can be deduced fairly easily, but a doctor would have been a safer scum role
Gotcha, I would like to know for sure how that works because as I said up above my understanding is that the tracker still got the night kill.
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people tried to tell me that, but i remember someone posting in our circle where flamewheel told them power roles take precedence
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