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rastaban
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States2294 Posts
July 24 2010 23:27 GMT
#2101
On July 25 2010 08:22 chaoser wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 25 2010 08:20 youngminii wrote:
On July 25 2010 08:19 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
On July 25 2010 08:17 BrownBear wrote:
I am so fucking confused right now. What I see it as:

rastaban has a DT
citi.zen has a DT
youngminii has a DT

Could 2 of these be the same DT? Or have we caught a falseclaimer/the GF?


A more puzzling thing is this.

Two mouths have claimed to citizen, and we have someone counter claiming? The pm rasta showed implies a third claimant (as i doubt citizen would count himself as one) Seems really odd to me.

He's counting his DT as one. Look at the next paragraph, he says "we'll check one of the two". You're slipping up more and more BC.


If when citi.zen found out there were multiple claims for DT, he would have told town if he was townie. But he didn't. That's weird



Intead he asked us to give up our DT names... I don't like it. And just like last game when he was GF he has gone completely silent when suspicion is cast on him
Tyler: "...damn it, that's StarCraft. Opening doors is what we do. Being the first to find food is the greatest pleasure a player can have!"
BloodyC0bbler
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
Canada7875 Posts
July 24 2010 23:27 GMT
#2102
On July 25 2010 08:22 chaoser wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 25 2010 08:20 youngminii wrote:
On July 25 2010 08:19 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
On July 25 2010 08:17 BrownBear wrote:
I am so fucking confused right now. What I see it as:

rastaban has a DT
citi.zen has a DT
youngminii has a DT

Could 2 of these be the same DT? Or have we caught a falseclaimer/the GF?


A more puzzling thing is this.

Two mouths have claimed to citizen, and we have someone counter claiming? The pm rasta showed implies a third claimant (as i doubt citizen would count himself as one) Seems really odd to me.

He's counting his DT as one. Look at the next paragraph, he says "we'll check one of the two". You're slipping up more and more BC.


If when citi.zen found out there were multiple claims for DT, he would have told town if he was townie. But he didn't. That's weird


I concur. This would actually make his position much more likely to a townie move, instead he kept this to himself. Odd play for sure. We currently have two mouths spoken out saying they were in touch with citizen as well, where one doesn't trust his dt?

Why wasn't that posted, why has information like this that is actually important been kept behind the scenes?
#3 Member of the Chill Fanclub / Rhaegar fought nobly. Rhaegar fought valiantly. Rhaegar fought honorably. And Rhaeger died. --Ser Jorah Mormont TL MAFIA FORUM http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31 go go !
BrownBear
Profile Joined March 2010
United States6894 Posts
July 24 2010 23:28 GMT
#2103
On July 25 2010 08:27 rastaban wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 25 2010 08:22 chaoser wrote:
On July 25 2010 08:20 youngminii wrote:
On July 25 2010 08:19 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
On July 25 2010 08:17 BrownBear wrote:
I am so fucking confused right now. What I see it as:

rastaban has a DT
citi.zen has a DT
youngminii has a DT

Could 2 of these be the same DT? Or have we caught a falseclaimer/the GF?


A more puzzling thing is this.

Two mouths have claimed to citizen, and we have someone counter claiming? The pm rasta showed implies a third claimant (as i doubt citizen would count himself as one) Seems really odd to me.

He's counting his DT as one. Look at the next paragraph, he says "we'll check one of the two". You're slipping up more and more BC.


If when citi.zen found out there were multiple claims for DT, he would have told town if he was townie. But he didn't. That's weird



Intead he asked us to give up our DT names... I don't like it. And just like last game when he was GF he has gone completely silent when suspicion is cast on him


And you're saying this is worse than SouthRawrea saying "Hey citi if you're MH, tell us who your bombs are on" post?
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rastaban
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States2294 Posts
July 24 2010 23:29 GMT
#2104
On July 25 2010 08:28 BrownBear wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 25 2010 08:27 rastaban wrote:
On July 25 2010 08:22 chaoser wrote:
On July 25 2010 08:20 youngminii wrote:
On July 25 2010 08:19 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
On July 25 2010 08:17 BrownBear wrote:
I am so fucking confused right now. What I see it as:

rastaban has a DT
citi.zen has a DT
youngminii has a DT

Could 2 of these be the same DT? Or have we caught a falseclaimer/the GF?


A more puzzling thing is this.

Two mouths have claimed to citizen, and we have someone counter claiming? The pm rasta showed implies a third claimant (as i doubt citizen would count himself as one) Seems really odd to me.

He's counting his DT as one. Look at the next paragraph, he says "we'll check one of the two". You're slipping up more and more BC.


If when citi.zen found out there were multiple claims for DT, he would have told town if he was townie. But he didn't. That's weird



Intead he asked us to give up our DT names... I don't like it. And just like last game when he was GF he has gone completely silent when suspicion is cast on him


And you're saying this is worse than SouthRawrea saying "Hey citi if you're MH, tell us who your bombs are on" post?



Well last game he was caught when he tried to define his fake roleclaim.
Tyler: "...damn it, that's StarCraft. Opening doors is what we do. Being the first to find food is the greatest pleasure a player can have!"
Pyrrhuloxia
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States6700 Posts
July 24 2010 23:30 GMT
#2105
On July 25 2010 08:18 youngminii wrote:
Here's some credibility for citi.zen. I don't care if you don't read this but know that if you're town and citi.zen dies tonight you have played against your win condition by a big deal.

I represented my DT and claimed to citi.zen. Rastaban did the same. Citi.zen got two DT claims and so he knows something is wrong. If he was scum, he would have kept going as if everything was normal. Instead, he made both rastaban and myself aware that there were more than one DT group claiming.

Citi.zen is in the best position possible as town and you should all see that.

That's wifom, if citi.zen is red he would have said there were three claims and not said who, so that there was a reason to keep him around to figure out who to go after.
Infundibulum
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
United States2552 Posts
July 24 2010 23:30 GMT
#2106
The die is cast.

#vote Double Lynch
vote citi.zen
LoL NA: MothLite == Steam: p0nd
youngminii
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Australia7514 Posts
July 24 2010 23:30 GMT
#2107
On July 25 2010 08:27 rastaban wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 25 2010 08:22 chaoser wrote:
On July 25 2010 08:20 youngminii wrote:
On July 25 2010 08:19 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
On July 25 2010 08:17 BrownBear wrote:
I am so fucking confused right now. What I see it as:

rastaban has a DT
citi.zen has a DT
youngminii has a DT

Could 2 of these be the same DT? Or have we caught a falseclaimer/the GF?


A more puzzling thing is this.

Two mouths have claimed to citizen, and we have someone counter claiming? The pm rasta showed implies a third claimant (as i doubt citizen would count himself as one) Seems really odd to me.

He's counting his DT as one. Look at the next paragraph, he says "we'll check one of the two". You're slipping up more and more BC.


If when citi.zen found out there were multiple claims for DT, he would have told town if he was townie. But he didn't. That's weird


Yeah no he didn't go silent, he made an error when he claimed which I pointed out and he gave up.
Intead he asked us to give up our DT names... I don't like it. And just like last game when he was GF he has gone completely silent when suspicion is cast on him

lalala
BloodyC0bbler
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
Canada7875 Posts
July 24 2010 23:31 GMT
#2108
On July 25 2010 08:25 bumatlarge wrote:
Oh god dammit i cant keep up properly anymore

Can someone clear this whole DT situation up before the lynch gets through? And BC callin out citizen on when he posts claiming he picks and chooses when is a dirty tactic, as if you claim you know his schedule and when hes not busy. Thats not the way to go about accusing someone.


Dude? IF you make a claim like he did, it requires activity otherwise it appears scum. The few posts he has made since he returned have been FoS posts and berating people for being bad essentially.

He has withheld information that would help clear himself as well. It is not unreasonable that if hes going to be inactive to make relatively decently sized posts actually talking about points raised. The fact your letting him off with "oh well you cant call someone out on life stuff" is like saying his point about when the counterclaim happened is null based on the same sort of argument. You can't excuse one for it but not another.
#3 Member of the Chill Fanclub / Rhaegar fought nobly. Rhaegar fought valiantly. Rhaegar fought honorably. And Rhaeger died. --Ser Jorah Mormont TL MAFIA FORUM http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31 go go !
BrownBear
Profile Joined March 2010
United States6894 Posts
July 24 2010 23:31 GMT
#2109
On July 25 2010 08:29 rastaban wrote:
Well last game he was caught when he tried to define his fake roleclaim.


True, but that doesn't change the fact that trying to get MH to say who they put their bombs on is a very scummy move. It's not worth possibly messing up a fakeclaimer when it's far more likely that they're legit, they say who their bombs are on, and mafia hits them to take out 2 or 3 people in one go.
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Infundibulum
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
United States2552 Posts
July 24 2010 23:32 GMT
#2110
On July 25 2010 08:31 BrownBear wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 25 2010 08:29 rastaban wrote:
Well last game he was caught when he tried to define his fake roleclaim.


True, but that doesn't change the fact that trying to get MH to say who they put their bombs on is a very scummy move. It's not worth possibly messing up a fakeclaimer when it's far more likely that they're legit, they say who their bombs are on, and mafia hits them to take out 2 or 3 people in one go.


Not if citi.zens bombs are on a mafia.
LoL NA: MothLite == Steam: p0nd
youngminii
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Australia7514 Posts
July 24 2010 23:32 GMT
#2111
On July 25 2010 08:30 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 25 2010 08:18 youngminii wrote:
Here's some credibility for citi.zen. I don't care if you don't read this but know that if you're town and citi.zen dies tonight you have played against your win condition by a big deal.

I represented my DT and claimed to citi.zen. Rastaban did the same. Citi.zen got two DT claims and so he knows something is wrong. If he was scum, he would have kept going as if everything was normal. Instead, he made both rastaban and myself aware that there were more than one DT group claiming.

Citi.zen is in the best position possible as town and you should all see that.

That's wifom, if citi.zen is red he would have said there were three claims and not said who, so that there was a reason to keep him around to figure out who to go after.

That's not wifom, wifom is circular logic. It's called reasoning. Your reasoning is also interesting but it doesn't make complete sense. He wouldn't say 'there were three claims', he would keep it to himself and play on as a gosu mafia that has connections to two DT circles.
lalala
BloodyC0bbler
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
Canada7875 Posts
July 24 2010 23:33 GMT
#2112
On July 25 2010 08:31 BrownBear wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 25 2010 08:29 rastaban wrote:
Well last game he was caught when he tried to define his fake roleclaim.


True, but that doesn't change the fact that trying to get MH to say who they put their bombs on is a very scummy move. It's not worth possibly messing up a fakeclaimer when it's far more likely that they're legit, they say who their bombs are on, and mafia hits them to take out 2 or 3 people in one go.


Except if any of those bombs are on mafia, they lose up to two of their members as well. Tree hugger has already gone over this.
#3 Member of the Chill Fanclub / Rhaegar fought nobly. Rhaegar fought valiantly. Rhaegar fought honorably. And Rhaeger died. --Ser Jorah Mormont TL MAFIA FORUM http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31 go go !
Pyrrhuloxia
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States6700 Posts
July 24 2010 23:33 GMT
#2113
On July 25 2010 08:14 citi.zen wrote:
Town, if you really think I am red and out of the blue decided to fake claim in a game where nobody had put any pressure on me, you deserve to lose.

I am out with the family for the evening. If you find that scummy on a Saturday I am speechless.

Make the right call and this is over. The reds risked everything today: try to go after my credibility, try to question a solid plan on unfounded grounds, fake-claim right when a majority of players had correctly concluded I was telling the tuyth, try to get me lynched "to reveal information" (really to stop me from linking the two circles tonight). Just read the thread to see who did this - it's transparent as hell.

Would have nice for you to answer some of these things about the DT pms and bomb locations. I guess if I can operate on a cow you can go with your fam, though. Cow is still alive today if anyone cares.
chaoser
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States5541 Posts
July 24 2010 23:33 GMT
#2114
guys, please respond to the VERY scummy thing that he did which is keep the triple claim for DT from town. That's VERY WEIRD.
Haven't you heard? I'm not an ex-progamer. I'm not a poker player. I'm not an admin of the site. I'm mother fucking Rekrul.
youngminii
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Australia7514 Posts
July 24 2010 23:34 GMT
#2115
On July 25 2010 08:30 youngminii wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 25 2010 08:27 rastaban wrote:
On July 25 2010 08:22 chaoser wrote:
On July 25 2010 08:20 youngminii wrote:
On July 25 2010 08:19 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
On July 25 2010 08:17 BrownBear wrote:
I am so fucking confused right now. What I see it as:

rastaban has a DT
citi.zen has a DT
youngminii has a DT

Could 2 of these be the same DT? Or have we caught a falseclaimer/the GF?


A more puzzling thing is this.

Two mouths have claimed to citizen, and we have someone counter claiming? The pm rasta showed implies a third claimant (as i doubt citizen would count himself as one) Seems really odd to me.

He's counting his DT as one. Look at the next paragraph, he says "we'll check one of the two". You're slipping up more and more BC.


If when citi.zen found out there were multiple claims for DT, he would have told town if he was townie. But he didn't. That's weird


Yeah no he didn't go silent, he made an error when he claimed which I pointed out and he gave up.
Intead he asked us to give up our DT names... I don't like it. And just like last game when he was GF he has gone completely silent when suspicion is cast on him


ebwop
'Yeah no he didn't go silent, he made an error when he claimed which I pointed out and he gave up' is meant to be MY post, not part of the quote.
lalala
BloodyC0bbler
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
Canada7875 Posts
July 24 2010 23:36 GMT
#2116
I think another thing I wonder and could be horrifically wrong here, but if he has two dt claims that he kept to himself, is it possible he was trying to fish for dt names elsewhere as well? Not sure if its likely but ugh, I am now even more paranoid.
#3 Member of the Chill Fanclub / Rhaegar fought nobly. Rhaegar fought valiantly. Rhaegar fought honorably. And Rhaeger died. --Ser Jorah Mormont TL MAFIA FORUM http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31 go go !
youngminii
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Australia7514 Posts
July 24 2010 23:36 GMT
#2117
On July 25 2010 08:33 chaoser wrote:
guys, please respond to the VERY scummy thing that he did which is keep the triple claim for DT from town. That's VERY WEIRD.

What's so weird? It's not like he told town "Okay guys, one DT group contacted me so now we have two DT groups working together". Can't he pull together a bit more information before telling everyone everything? It would also look extremely suspicious if he tells everyone that two DT groups contacted him if he doesn't tell everyone the identities of the DT group reps (me and rastaban).
lalala
BrownBear
Profile Joined March 2010
United States6894 Posts
July 24 2010 23:37 GMT
#2118
On July 25 2010 08:33 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 25 2010 08:31 BrownBear wrote:
On July 25 2010 08:29 rastaban wrote:
Well last game he was caught when he tried to define his fake roleclaim.


True, but that doesn't change the fact that trying to get MH to say who they put their bombs on is a very scummy move. It's not worth possibly messing up a fakeclaimer when it's far more likely that they're legit, they say who their bombs are on, and mafia hits them to take out 2 or 3 people in one go.


Except if any of those bombs are on mafia, they lose up to two of their members as well. Tree hugger has already gone over this.


It's roughly a 1 in 5 chance that this is true. Your math sucks.
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BloodyC0bbler
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
Canada7875 Posts
July 24 2010 23:37 GMT
#2119
On July 25 2010 08:36 youngminii wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 25 2010 08:33 chaoser wrote:
guys, please respond to the VERY scummy thing that he did which is keep the triple claim for DT from town. That's VERY WEIRD.

What's so weird? It's not like he told town "Okay guys, one DT group contacted me so now we have two DT groups working together". Can't he pull together a bit more information before telling everyone everything? It would also look extremely suspicious if he tells everyone that two DT groups contacted him if he doesn't tell everyone the identities of the DT group reps (me and rastaban).


Dude his head is on the chopping block. Information like that could have potentially saved him instantly. HE doesn't need to give up your names to town, just claim that he got multiple claims that can be investigated. Its less scummy to be honest with it when your in a position to die than holding it back.
#3 Member of the Chill Fanclub / Rhaegar fought nobly. Rhaegar fought valiantly. Rhaegar fought honorably. And Rhaeger died. --Ser Jorah Mormont TL MAFIA FORUM http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31 go go !
chaoser
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States5541 Posts
July 24 2010 23:37 GMT
#2120
On July 25 2010 08:37 BrownBear wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 25 2010 08:33 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
On July 25 2010 08:31 BrownBear wrote:
On July 25 2010 08:29 rastaban wrote:
Well last game he was caught when he tried to define his fake roleclaim.


True, but that doesn't change the fact that trying to get MH to say who they put their bombs on is a very scummy move. It's not worth possibly messing up a fakeclaimer when it's far more likely that they're legit, they say who their bombs are on, and mafia hits them to take out 2 or 3 people in one go.


Except if any of those bombs are on mafia, they lose up to two of their members as well. Tree hugger has already gone over this.


It's roughly a 1 in 5 chance that this is true. Your math sucks.


He's not going to be placing bomb randomly -_- citi.zen is a smart player, if he's MH then he's probably at least got 1 on a mafia
Haven't you heard? I'm not an ex-progamer. I'm not a poker player. I'm not an admin of the site. I'm mother fucking Rekrul.
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