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On July 04 2010 13:36 Divinek wrote:+ Show Spoiler +you know the more i think about it the more it seems like L's plan benefits red more than town.
Because if our claimed mason is lying we don't know it, only the mob would know. Just seems giving the mob 100% real info while town is only getting info as far as we can reasonably trust doesnt seem as good for us.
So we go on his word that he's a confirmed townie when he could easily be red and why would anyone ever question it, because as soon as a real mason steps out to say something about it they're either going to die, or they're just going to actually give the gf a person not to waste a recruit attempt on. And even if we figure all this out and lynch the fake claimed mason that's just 1 of infinitely many mafia down while a real mason is actually outed and we wouldnt know it to protect for sure until it was too late. Cause none of this stuff can be confirmed without a DT check or coroner after death and why waste a check on a claimed mason as a GF would never be dumb enough to do something like that.
At least i see it as nearly beneficial for both of the masons to stay silent and keep the GF's odds lower on success while maybe pushing for the lynch of the fake claimer?
That's if it's actually fake, while thus far it could be reasonable to assume it's real.
Or maybe that doesnt quite play out like i think it does but hurrah for generating discussion
And if our mason really is a mason why waste any actions on him, since red thinks we're going to protect him they wouldnt waste time trying to take him out since they figure he's going to be safe anyways.
Though i guess there's not much else to use a jailkeeper for unless you're going to be randomly trying to stop recruitment and that has a pretty slim chance of working sooo yeah.
Not that im at this point claiming L to be scummy for the plan, but maybe he could go into more depth how it'd be more useful for town than mob.
This is the most wifomy post I've seen in this entire game.
Please, for the love of God, please stop saying that Zeks is a fake mason.
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Also, I think we forgot about Korynne's encrypted message plan. Maybe scum are trying to make us forget, who knows.
So unless anyone objects (as I see no reason to):
Zeks can you post some sort of encrypted message that requires a key?
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On July 04 2010 13:36 Divinek wrote:
you know the more i think about it the more it seems like L's plan benefits red more than town.
Because if our claimed mason is lying we don't know it, only the mob would know. Just seems giving the mob 100% real info while town is only getting info as far as we can reasonably trust doesnt seem as good for us.
So we go on his word that he's a confirmed townie when he could easily be red and why would anyone ever question it, because as soon as a real mason steps out to say something about it they're either going to die, or they're just going to actually give the gf a person not to waste a recruit attempt on. And even if we figure all this out and lynch the fake claimed mason that's just 1 of infinitely many mafia down while a real mason is actually outed and we wouldnt know it to protect for sure until it was too late. Cause none of this stuff can be confirmed without a DT check or coroner after death and why waste a check on a claimed mason as a GF would never be dumb enough to do something like that.
At least i see it as nearly beneficial for both of the masons to stay silent and keep the GF's odds lower on success while maybe pushing for the lynch of the fake claimer?
That's if it's actually fake, while thus far it could be reasonable to assume it's real.
Or maybe that doesnt quite play out like i think it does but hurrah for generating discussion
And if our mason really is a mason why waste any actions on him, since red thinks we're going to protect him they wouldnt waste time trying to take him out since they figure he's going to be safe anyways.
Though i guess there's not much else to use a jailkeeper for unless you're going to be randomly trying to stop recruitment and that has a pretty slim chance of working sooo yeah.
Not that im at this point claiming L to be scummy for the plan, but maybe he could go into more depth how it'd be more useful for town than mob.
I think in this set-up fake claims are hugely damaging in this set-up general, since we don't learn the alignment of the dead.
For the sake of the argument - let's say the mafia claim DT and say "OMG - I found the GF!!". Then we lynch that (innocent) player but... don't know if they were red, unless we use the coroner the next night. If we use it, the coroner loses their power, so the 2nd time a mafia goon does this we can't even verify it at all. Does that mean the mafia can do this every single day in principle, leading to perpetual mis-lynches? Even if we correctly kill the supposed DT as well (a 2x lynch for example), the GF would be safe since we're wasting the town KP on goons.
The whole set-up seems fucked up, unless I just don't understand something obvious here. Maybe I just need sleep.
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On July 04 2010 13:39 youngminii wrote:Show nested quote +On July 04 2010 13:36 Divinek wrote:+ Show Spoiler +you know the more i think about it the more it seems like L's plan benefits red more than town.
Because if our claimed mason is lying we don't know it, only the mob would know. Just seems giving the mob 100% real info while town is only getting info as far as we can reasonably trust doesnt seem as good for us.
So we go on his word that he's a confirmed townie when he could easily be red and why would anyone ever question it, because as soon as a real mason steps out to say something about it they're either going to die, or they're just going to actually give the gf a person not to waste a recruit attempt on. And even if we figure all this out and lynch the fake claimed mason that's just 1 of infinitely many mafia down while a real mason is actually outed and we wouldnt know it to protect for sure until it was too late. Cause none of this stuff can be confirmed without a DT check or coroner after death and why waste a check on a claimed mason as a GF would never be dumb enough to do something like that.
At least i see it as nearly beneficial for both of the masons to stay silent and keep the GF's odds lower on success while maybe pushing for the lynch of the fake claimer?
That's if it's actually fake, while thus far it could be reasonable to assume it's real.
Or maybe that doesnt quite play out like i think it does but hurrah for generating discussion
And if our mason really is a mason why waste any actions on him, since red thinks we're going to protect him they wouldnt waste time trying to take him out since they figure he's going to be safe anyways.
Though i guess there's not much else to use a jailkeeper for unless you're going to be randomly trying to stop recruitment and that has a pretty slim chance of working sooo yeah.
Not that im at this point claiming L to be scummy for the plan, but maybe he could go into more depth how it'd be more useful for town than mob. This is the most wifomy post I've seen in this entire game. Please, for the love of God, please stop saying that Zeks is a fake mason.
im not saying he is fake
im saying based on the chance he could be fake giving the mob guaranteed info is better for them than giving us uncertain info.
yes if he confirms it we're better off, but most of this god damn game is wifom bullshit i hate that abbreviation
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The idea of WIFOM is that it's a shitty way to play mafia and will confuse the fuck out of everyone, which is one of the primary goals of the mafia.
Hence, WIFOM is a horrible argument and any argument containing too much WIFOM should be scrapped.
ie. start posting some real content please, divinek.
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You know what? I don't think you're bad enough of a townie to drown yourself in pointless WIFOM. Could be scum trying to look innocent.
FoS Divinek
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it doesn't really seem pointless im just asking what the big point of having someone claim mason for us that is so beneficial to the town
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DIVINEEEE MAFFFIAAAA!!!!
DEEEEEVIIIIIIIINNEEE GODFATHAAAAA!!!!!!!1
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Im never going to get sick of this.
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oh shit bum at large saw through my facade
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Already been pointed out. A trusted townie that can lead our search. Can also backup the other mason, hence we have two trusted townies.
2 confirmed townies is a big deal later when there's maybe 13 people left and 5 of them are scum.
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yeah two confirmed townies sure would be nice, even one would be great
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The two mafia recruits should claim masons now. After that take citizen's advice and say that one of you is the DT and have that DT accuse someone for being the GF. But be careful not to accuse me or the real godfather because that would not be fun. Go after the readables and leave the unreadables alone. I'm just revealing mafia advice so that the town can benefit.. not that I'm a traitor or anything..Citi*cough*zen...
just kidding..
or am I?
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^ That post was way, way too scummy. I may have only started noticing since start of D2, but your posts are complete scumtells. You make a huge post that's retardedly WIFOMy, something a normal townie would never do because it's just so stupid. Then you agree with me that the WIFOM is just bullshit. You question what the point of L's plan is and after I give you a brief explanation, you simply agree with it and go along without any hesitation or arguments.
I am now calling on everyone to vote on Divinek for the highly likely possibility of having been recruited N1.
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^ That post was to Divinek.
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what are you talking about my comment was entirely sarcastic
you're retarded
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if you thought my town play is bad this game you should look at last game i played town
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i think citizen kind of understood what i was getting at
god damn i hate spamming a bunch of posts together because ideas dont come to me all at the same time of one post
can you explain in detail what my scumtells are? cause im obviously so bad i dont know that the way im posting is scum tells rofl
i understand that people take the noobie level of reading some wifom question as a scum tell in a game that revolves around a wifom concept. The only thing that can be confirmed are the roles of the dead, and maybe some reasonable connections can be made if a dt fingers a gf and we find the dead to indeed be the gf or something
you do realize that
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I wasn't talking about your sarcastic comment. Also, you're in panic mode atm and you're dropping scumtells all over the place.
On July 04 2010 15:07 Divinek wrote:
if you thought my town play is bad this game you should look at last game i played town
That's a horrible defense.
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@%I()M@%MU%($)Ty
There's nothing WIFOMy about a mason claiming. You're making it out to be more than it is.
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